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Originally posted by STDOUBT:
Just to play the Devil's Advocate here.

Personally, I feel uncomfortable sending cash
to an unknown entity.
Your nick is new as of your first post here
(today).
Not sayin' ya ain't sincere!
Not sayin' it ain't a good idea!
Just sayin' I don't know ya.

The people many of us know from the webcasts
The Signal and Firefly Talk have an *established
web presence*. It may be that you'd garner more
cred if you hooked up with them somehow.

Anyhoo- I agree with the theory that this is a lull, and we won't be able to see more of the 'verse for
some few years. We're seeing new recruits all the
time, and have already established a 'media cult'.
We can float until our ship comes 'round again.
'Cuz it will.

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PayPal reserves the right to hold funds beyond the normal distribution periods for transactions it deems suspicious or for accounts conducting high transaction volumes to ensure integrity of the funds.

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Originally posted by imaleaf:
no offense but how do we know thats where the money goes?

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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
Let's do something new. Let's show the entertainment industry that we are really serious about this. Let's put our money where our mouth is.

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Originally posted by SheUnderstands:
Wow, that last post made a lot of people comfortable I bet... Even if you have good intentions (or rather, especially if you do). I think you owe it to the people to guarantee somehow this money is used appropriately. I mean what if firefly goes down in flames, do you just disappear into the night with the loot?

Once again you very well may have good intentions, but this has the makings for a great con-job. Whether you mean to or not, you have prey upon the browncoats generosity and put a large number of them in quite a position by proposing such a loosely structured plan.

If you're going to do it, do it right.

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Originally posted by tanstaafl28:
We need a concerted effort here as I said before. I don't think we need to pay money to convince them. I think we simply need enough numbers for them to realize that they can make advertising revenue dollars off of the series.

The campaign to get Serenity and Firefly on every U.S. Navy vessel is one such way to expand our fan base. we might want to extend it to include Naval Bases, Army Forts and Marine Camps as well.

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Originally posted by Wildhare:
Since this is just in the idea stages. Someone being legitimate is irrelevant. There are many Browncoats out in the world and all of them have ideas.

Pressing problems I see right now is we are not centralized. We have lots of Browncoats with lots of ideas and resources and no central place to conduct our business.

1. We need a central place to gather and share ideas and resources so we can find what our numbers actually are. Are their 10,000 hard core Browncoats or are there 1 million. I have no idea but that is something I would like to know.

2. We need to figure out what our goals are. What do we want? What are we trying to achieve? Are we trying to buy the Rights to Firefly so we can control the future of the show or are we trying to raise funds for another Serenity?

4. Contact and work with the actors to determine if they are even interested in continuing the "verse". They may not want their acting carriers to take that turn. Let’s use Gilligan from Gilligan’s Island as an Example. He was always Gilligan and really was never able to get beyond that, and I think it ruined his carrier. These folks may want more for themselves. So we are going to have to be a legitimate group to even discuss this issue with them

I believe much of this can be achieved. Its going to take dedicated people working in force of numbers all moving in one direction with a purpose.

To my knowledge nothing like this has ever been attempted. No fan group has ever tried to take it to another level and use their force of numbers to change the history and life of a show.

Or we can continue whoring our movie and show to our friends and family and hope that the numbers add up to something the massive movie industry sees as worth taking another look at.

Someone needs to take by the horns and get it rollin. This is my two cents.

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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
Let's do something new. Let's show the entertainment industry that we are really serious about this. Let's put our money where our mouth is.

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It has been tried before with Enterprise and it fell apart.

It is too early to do this. 20th Century Fox owns Firefly. Universal owns the rights to Serenity and has not yet made a decision on whether they will make a sequel or not. If they say No, Joss gets to pitch around for a TV show. Joss cannot produce Firefly without 20th Century Fox's permission or Serenity without Universal's permission.

The entertainment industry is watching the DVD sales and Dvd rentals. Put our money where our mouth is. Keep buying Serenity DVDs. Get people to rent Serenity. Birthday gifts. Charity drives. Libraries. Buy other official Universal Serenity stuff.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I like the idea and everything. My problem is the same as most of the others. Trust. I don't know you and don't trust you with my money. I know you've covered this. However, I want to second the notion that if you got some of the other community figure heads involved, that would generate some trust right away. I'd rather see that number soar quickly rather than extremly slowly.

Heck have one of them open a savings account and just transfer the paypal money to it weekly. Then they can report that they are actually getting the money and post their own tally. I really doubt any of them would steal from the community.

Also charity? Who cares about charity? I say the money goes to the Nathan Fillion to host the Late Show fund. Just me huh? Fine. But the other ideas are good.

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Originally posted by Wildhare:
Before we even talk about money. We need to get all the Firefly and Serenity sites gathered into one site. Get all the users combined on one board. Get Browncoat radio and Firefly talk on the same program on the net. Get everyone together in one meeting place. Decided what we are trying to accomplish. Then worry about raising money to achieve it.

Talking money at this point is silly. We don't even know what we are raising money for.

This can all be done. We just need all the different web site operators to sit down and hash out getting it combined.

We can be mighty if we are all moving with one purpose.

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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
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It gets the idea out to the Browncoats where they can help shape and create it in their own image rather than a lawyer's. I'm a big boy and know I can get into legal trouble. Not all of life is about avoiding trouble - isn't that why we like this show?

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That is why we have to TRULY misbehave. We are going to have to go against what society tells us, what the naysayers will tell us, and even what Joss or Mutant Enemy might tell us.

It is up to us. We can hope for the future of this 'verse or we can actively fight for it.

If you feel moved, donate. If you don't, please don't but let us know what stopped you.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
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Also charity? Who cares about charity? I say the money goes to the Nathan Fillion to host the Late Show fund. Just me huh? Fine. But the other ideas are good.

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I gotta say, Andrew, you're my kind of stupid.

I won't be donating money anytime soon - I just don't have much to speculate with on a tv show. (And if I did, I would need to more carefully judge your personal credibility, competence, and commitment, as well as the real possibility of success, before choosing your plan over any of the others that have been proposed.) But I do support what you are trying to do.

We are on the cusp of revolution in media distribution, and there is no reason other than institutional maintenence of the status quo for this type of paradigm to be dismissed. It is going to happen for some show...and damn if I don't want it to be Firefly.




Oh, and I have to ask... You're not, like, from Nigeria, right?

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Ain't. We. Just.

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Originally posted by mrben:
OK - I don't mean to be callous about this, but one of my major problems is that if I'm giving money to Firefly, then I want it to go to Firefly, not some charity, whether or not Joss happens to support it. (I already give to charity on a regular basis, and have nothing against it per se, FYI). That's why I suggested the pledgebank idea, whereby people pledge money, but if it ain't gonna happen, then they don't gotta pay.

Everyone would agree to something along the lines of "If Fox agree to release the rights to the show to Joss, and there is another 12 (or 24) episodes of Firefly promised, then I will donate $x towards the costs incurred." Then you add up all the money, take off a % to guesstimate those who would drop out, and then you have an actual proposal to go to Joss/Fox with, but without the danger of them turning around and saying "Nope, I'm sorry, not going to happen." and you being stuck with $28m(or whatever) which will have to go to a charity. Quite apart from that, I suspect it places unnecessary burden on Joss to have to make the decision of where to place $xx million of other peoples money.

mrben

"Carpe Aptenodytes"
http://www.jedimoose.org]

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Originally posted by GrimJack21502:
Our time is now.

I think that it is up to the forefathers and foremothers of the Firefly/Serenity Web presence to unite and offer several different courses of action. Post these ideas on the web-ring and let our verse decide on the best campaign.

To be honest raising money is probably the easiest thing to do...but it also offers the most problems (trust issues, entity formation, etc.). I always thought a show of force strikes "greed" into the hearts of tv execs.

According to our tale, Serenity was "born" out of the battle of Serenity Valley. I feel we need a rallying point as well.

What would Fox think if this Summer (say the weekend of San Diego Comic Con) thousands of Browncoats appeared around their studios peacefully protesting for the "release of our friends"?

The press would eat it up especially if we raised money on site and donated it to charity in the name of the Browncoats.

It is all about politics and a need to respond.

If we forced FOX to address us, it's a start.

"And once you're gone, you can never come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black"
-Neil Young

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Originally posted by impression:
hey its great how enthusiastic you are bout raisin this money but we must all go back to the fact that paypal isn't exactly the safest of venues and a collection of money of that size in one account even for a short time before its moved into an actual bank account is still untrustworthy....not to mention the fact that you have a separate website and partner in a different career in which you are tryin to be successful...how do we know this money wont go to fund your other endeavors?

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Originally posted by Anonymous1:
It has been tried before with Enterprise and it fell apart.

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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
I don't understand the early comment. We aren't trying to stop Joss or Fox or Universal from doing anything.

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Originally posted by impression:
also...maybe u should update the running price total more then once a week so that we know and can see a running total more frequently...i.e. if theres 1,ooo dollars in a fund and we only see the 387 on the page, how do we know theres 1,000 dollars or that its being saved...we need a running total and a investment log on the page to show when, who, how much, and how the money was donated to your page. we can't just see that theres money in a fund without the details and red tape.

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It has been tried before with Enterprise and it fell apart.

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Originally posted by browncoatsriseagain:
I don't understand the early comment. We aren't trying to stop Joss or Fox or Universal from doing anything.

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Enterprise was a show on UPN (as in the latest Star Trek show-even though it did not have the word Star Trek in the name). Fans got together and raised over a million dollars to have another
season. Things fell apart. UPN said No. I remember reading about it on the Internet.

I am saying Joss cannot make Firefly or Serenity without their permission. Fox can stop Joss from making anything Firefly. Universal can stop Joss from making anything Serenity.

It is too early to collect money.

Universal has to make a decision first on whether to fund a sequel or not. And then whether to do something with their SciFi channel.

Please consider changing your idea to a pledge campaign. Collect email addresses and pledge amounts. If Universal says NO to a sequel, then be ready with Joss on board. At that point you can email your list with Joss's approved funding idea. Joss can even set up a production company and we can buy stock in it.

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