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"I Don't Care What You believe..Just Believe It..."

A Christian would never say that...worst line in the movie, not that it had much competition!!

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...Book is not a preaching Christian, but a practicing one...

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Don't get me started on what I think regarding Christians.

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Originally posted by Righteous9:
I think, when he says that he brings "the message to those who need hearing it," that he really means to those who have nothing to hold onto, who have nothing to believe in. He's not overly concerned with people who have meaning already.

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Originally posted by Rat:
"I Don't Care What You believe..Just Believe It..."

A Christian would never say that...worst line in the movie, not that it had much competition!!

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As to the line in the movie, it applies to Mal, that is, to get the job done, that's what Book needed Mal to hear, nothing more....My opinion.

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To the Atheists - prove to me there's no God. :)

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Originally posted by Rat:
"I Don't Care What You believe..Just Believe It..."

A Christian would never say that...worst line in the movie, not that it had much competition!!

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Originally posted by amylisai:
Thanks RIVER6213 and Righteous9 and others for "fighting the good fight" for tolerance.

I've read this thread with much interest and thought for the last few hours of different things I'd like to say in response. But I'll just boil it down to this:

People are people. I will never be able to understand the "differences" such as "race". We all have legs and eyes and brains and hearts.

Why do some ppl look at Mormons and say "they're not Christian" and Mormons look at other Christians and say "they're not Christian" (etc etc, there are over 700 types of Christianity!) Why is it so hard to just relax and be tolerant? Why do people have such a hard time with that? Especially from religions that say "G-d loves all his children"...

It makes me sad. As a Jew, I have several times been the target of "Christians" who wanted to convert me "before it was too late" or simply bigots who hated me for no purpose but to humiliate me.

The world is such a beautiful place, full of so much variety and exciting variation. Would it really be more interesting if everyone was of the same faith and believed the same thing? (for one thing, we wouldn't have this thread! bye bye intellectual discussion?) If that was what G-d had intended, wouldn't G-d have just done so?

We are humans. By definition we are imperfect beings and do not understand the universe.

Therefore, relax. Let's think about tolerance.

[Except for tolerance of Fox cutting Firefly. Obviously that's gotta go. We should convert everyone to Firefly :) Just thinking of the funny parallels....]

here's to repairing the world,
Amy

(yeah, bracing myself for more hate. shruggin shoulders)

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Originally posted by UnregisteredCompanion:
Still waiting for Ax's question to get answered...

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Originally posted by Ax:
What is a 'true Christian', out of curiousity? Did you find the definition in a dictionary or something?

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Originally posted by www.dictionary.com :

true
adj. tru·er, tru·est

1.
a. Consistent with fact or reality; not false or erroneous. See Synonyms at real1. See Usage Note at fact.
b. Truthful.
2. Real; genuine. See Synonyms at authentic.
3. Reliable; accurate: a true prophecy.
4. Faithful, as to a friend, vow, or cause; loyal. See Synonyms at faithful.
5. Sincerely felt or expressed; unfeigned: true grief.
6. Fundamental; essential: his true motive.
7. Rightful; legitimate: the true heir.
8. Exactly conforming to a rule, standard, or pattern: trying to sing true B.
9. Accurately shaped or fitted: a true wheel.
10. Accurately placed, delivered, or thrown.
11. Quick and exact in sensing and responding.
12. Determined with reference to the earth's axis, not the magnetic poles: true north.
13. Conforming to the definitive criteria of a natural group; typical: The horseshoe crab is not a true crab.
14. Narrowly particularized; highly specific: spoke of probity in the truest sense of the word.

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Christian, Charlie. 1916-1942.

American jazz guitarist and blues singer. One of the first to amplify the guitar, he influenced its emergence as a solo instrument in jazz.

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Chris·tian
adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
4. Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
5. Showing a loving concern for others; humane.

n.
1. One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
The sermon continued for a while and during the break, the black man was quietly asked to leave!

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Originally posted by amylisai:
Thanks RIVER6213 and Righteous9 and others for "fighting the good fight" for tolerance.

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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
I never said I "hated" Christians, you put that there...

...Times like this I really wish Christians were still being fed to the lions.

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I have never met a Christian who reflected God's love...not ever. I have never met a Christian who was selfless, or loving...

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I never said I "hated" Christians, you put that there...

...Times like this I really wish Christians were still being fed to the lions.

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I have never met a Christian who reflected God's love...not ever. I have never met a Christian who was selfless, or loving, but I’ve met plenty of mean, selfish, control freaks who claim that they are Christians while at the same time laughing at the poor, and being racists towards blacks and other people.

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This reminds me of a time a few years ago when I was feeling kind of low, so I decided one Sunday to go into a church and just listen and watch people. There were all of these expensivly dressed people about, and there was enough glitter in that church to feed at least half of the 3rd world. Everyone sat down and the church service started. In the middle of the sermon that was being given by a pompus, church leader, some old guy walked into the church and sat in the back. He was obviously poor based on his clothing, and he look sad, but he was quiet, but unfortunately for him, he was black which didn’t go over to well with the good, respectable Christians at that church. The sermon continued for a while and during the break, the black man was quietly asked to leave! When he left I left with him and we went and had coffee somewhere and talked.

So, I guess poor people aren’t invited to god’s house unless they have money, position and status. I guess this was another sick example of good Christians at work. I say put ‘em up against the wall.

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How is "I say put ‘em up against the wall.", ""fighting the good fight" for tolerance"?


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I have never met a Christian who reflected God's love...not ever. I have never met a Christian who was selfless, or loving, but I’ve met plenty of mean, selfish, control freaks who claim that they are Christians while at the same time laughing at the poor, and being racists towards blacks and other people.

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I can only tell you that I am different in that aspect, as is my entire home church - Cornerstone Baptist Church of Albany Georgia. Never once have we asked a person to leave. I don't really put up with a dress code for service anyway - T-shirts and jeans for Sundays and Wednesdays for me, unless I am preaching, then, out of respect, shirt and tie. Christ's first believers couldn't afford to wear the Jewish equivalent of suits and ties, and that's the belief I follow. Denominations were created by man, CHRIST was created by God Himself.

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This reminds me of a time a few years ago when I was feeling kind of low, so I decided one Sunday to go into a church and just listen and watch people. There were all of these expensivly dressed people about, and there was enough glitter in that church to feed at least half of the 3rd world. Everyone sat down and the church service started. In the middle of the sermon that was being given by a pompus, church leader, some old guy walked into the church and sat in the back. He was obviously poor based on his clothing, and he look sad, but he was quiet, but unfortunately for him, he was black which didn’t go over to well with the good, respectable Christians at that church. The sermon continued for a while and during the break, the black man was quietly asked to leave! When he left I left with him and we went and had coffee somewhere and talked.

So, I guess poor people aren’t invited to god’s house unless they have money, position and status. I guess this was another sick example of good Christians at work. I say put ‘em up against the wall.

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I can easily condemn the actions of a church for doing such a thing, God's own WORD shows us that Christ had compassion for people, ALL people, no matter who they were in life. The Pharisees, in the Gospels, even questioned Christ on this, to which Christ replied, "But when Jesus heard [that], he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick."[Matthew 9:12]

And, to the atheist, look out your front door. We certainly didn't create the trees and plants, and obviously, my predecessors weren't apes. :)

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If there are any good ones out there, they are hidden very well.

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