I love freedom of speech just as much as you, BULL!!!! by KingEICHOLZ

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I love freedom of speech just as much as you, BULL!!!!

POSTED BY: KINGEICHOLZ
UPDATED: Thursday, September 3, 2009 18:00
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Monday, August 24, 2009 10:00 AM

I see there is censorship in here now you can no longer speak freely. But I am still close to finging out the truth even tho there are some that don't want to truth to come out but it will you can take that to the bank.

THE TRUTH SHELL SET YOU FREE.

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Monday, August 24, 2009 9:14 PM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.

You are on the internet posting on a website not run by yourself (though I wouldn't be shocked if this place actually is run by you. It would be the only thing you apparently don't do if you don't). You have the rights the owners of this webpage allow you to have. You have freedom of speech as defined by them. If they don't like the stuff you have to say, they can remove it and not have to answer a thing about it. The 1st Amendment does not apply here. Sorry.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 11:01 AM

KINGEICHOLZ

The 1st Amendment is the law in the U.S. no message board is above the law. I know people who live in England like Jack Peacekeeper might not understand this but i would expect people in the U.S. to know this.

Yale man

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 11:28 AM

STORYMARK

You are, quite simply, incorrect.

The first amendment does not apply to private property. this is a privately owned board, and the owner can make whatever rules they want. Just as a restaurant can kick you out for saying something offensive. It is not a restriction on freedom of speech - because you are still perfectly capable of starting your own site, or standing in the street outside the restaurant, and saying whatever you want there.

Learn the law before hiding behind it.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 11:45 AM

KINGEICHOLZ

I am not wrong The First Amendment states that the Federal government, and state governments through the 14th Amendment, may not pass legislation which interferes with citizen¿s freedom of press, religion, speech, and the right to assemble. However, private companies and organizations, acting in their own capacity, may not restrict this right. Server operators, which act as the private regulators of internet material, may not include in their terms of service agreement restrictions which act to limit First Amendment Rights in order to protect the integrity of their systems.

biceps big

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:04 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

You am wrong.

How is it that sometimes you write in complete sentences and other times it's like you're picking words out of a hat? Must be after a workout or something.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:14 PM

KINGEICHOLZ

I didn't write it it was cut and paste.

SMART AND SMARTER

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:14 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by KingEICHOLZ:
I am not wrong The First Amendment states that the Federal government, and state governments through the 14th Amendment, may not pass legislation which interferes with citizen¿s freedom of press, religion, speech, and the right to assemble. However, private companies and organizations, acting in their own capacity, may not restrict this right. Server operators, which act as the private regulators of internet material, may not include in their terms of service agreement restrictions which act to limit First Amendment Rights in order to protect the integrity of their systems.

No one has passed legislation, nor is the service provider infinging at all. It's a private site - not the whole internet. Do some research before making a bigger fool of yourself.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:16 PM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by KingEICHOLZ:

SMART AND SMARTER

I do applaud yu for your use of irony....

Oh, wait. That's not irony. That's being wrong.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:40 PM

KINGEICHOLZ

Thats just your opinon I always know what i am talking about

to cool to be a fool

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 1:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

You really, really, REALLY need to look into that whole "freedom of speech" thing. The Constitution says you can't be imprisoned for what you say (the Supreme Court has said there are some restrictions on that, such as yelling "Fire!" in a crowded movie theatre), but it certainly doesn't say there will be no consequences for what you say.

Put it to the test in your workplace. Walk right up to your boss or the owner of the company and call them a fucking idiot cunt, and see where that lands you. My guess is it will NOT net you that great promotion you were angling for. :)

This place isn't "in public", either; you joined here in order to post, and you agreed to the terms when you joined. Don't like it? There's the door.

Saying you've been censored is really weak, too. I rather doubt you have been. I've seen some REALLY outrageous stuff posted here, and Haken hasn't pulled it down or banned anyone as far as I've ever seen. Maybe you'll be the first, but I rather doubt it, and wouldn't want to see anyone banned, even if it was for "valid" reasons.

Mike

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 1:01 PM

XANA888

Cool it, ladies.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 2:57 PM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by XANA888:
Cool it, ladies.

The white wookie sings...

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 3:06 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Quote:
However, private companies and organizations, acting in their own capacity, may not restrict this right. Server operators, which act as the private regulators of internet material, may not include in their terms of service agreement restrictions which act to limit First Amendment Rights in order to protect the integrity of their systems.

You are incredibly off the mark. Server operators are one thing; WEBSITE OWNERS are quite another, and the website is their private property. You've never been to a website or read their terms of service, wherein it says obscenities, and other things, are not permitted? Wow.

I'd like to know where you get the idea they can't restrict what you post, that's very strange. Do you really believe that freedom of speech means you can say anything you want anywhere you want?

The INTERNET is public, so anyone can say anything they want...on their own website. As you've been told, on another person's website, THEY have the right to set the rules and tell you what you can and can't talk about. You've never heard of "moderators"? Most sites have them, and if you've been to a site where they do, you'll find out right quick what's allowed and what's not allowed.

That's about "private property rights", which trumps freedom of speech. You can SAY anything on someone's private property, but they can also call the police and have you thrown OFF that property. Then, as mentioned, you can say all those things on PUBLIC property. Think of it that way, maybe you'll understand it better.

As I said, I haven't seen any sign of censorship; I'd like to know what to what you are referring...

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 3:27 PM

CHRISISALL

My Troll sensors are lighting up....

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 4:12 PM

TRAVELER

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Traveler

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 4:21 PM

KINGEICHOLZ

I am not trolling Jack traveler I am saying what I think is right.

PERFECT

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 7:27 PM

RIVERDANCER

Quote:
Originally posted by KingEICHOLZ:
I see there is censorship in here now you can no longer speak freely.

As with everything else, in this you are wrong. Anyone who wants to read your insane rantings and offensive attitude still can. Unlike most forums, posts here are never deleted, some are just moved. Accounts are likewise not deleted, some have just been tagged as offensive. This is, by far, the most free and lenient site I've ever encountered. There's good and bad in that; sometimes I think a bit more organization would not be amiss, but there are certainly some colorful conversations out there, and sometimes I quite enjoy reading them. This, of course, not being one of those times.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 8:45 PM

BORIS

I was thinking "troll" fodder as I was reading some of the comments by the misinformed complainee who started this post....we gotta take the good with the bad folks...not always the best scenario but them's the breaks when we don't all enjoy the same evolutionary advantages.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 9:54 PM

STOWEAWAY

Quote:
Originally posted by boris:
....we gotta take the good with the bad folks...

True.
But there is a place on this forum for discussions like this -- Real World Events. I don't expect trolly to know that but I sure hate reading this stuff in the General Discussions.
If I want to see people fuss & complain or hurl insults, I go to the RWED. FFF.net is my happy place. I sure wish this guy would stop mucking it up.
'til then, his posts need to be relegated to Troll Country. Guess the learning curve takes a little longer with some.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2009 11:29 PM

FILLYGIRL

Operative: "Its worse than you know..." Mal: "It usually is."

OP
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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 1:27 AM

KWICKO

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I am not trolling Jack traveler I am saying what I think is right.

You *thinking* that it's right doesn't *make* it right, though. You're thinking it's right, but you're wrong in thinking that. That's the part you don't get.

Mike

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 3:49 AM

FREEBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by KingEICHOLZ:
I see there is censorship in here now you can no longer speak freely. But I am still close to finging out the truth even tho there are some that don't want to truth to come out but it will you can take that to the bank.

THE TRUTH SHELL SET YOU FREE.

Perhpas there is an area on the net where standing on soap boxes is what people are looking for.

Here we comment on FIREFLY and SERENITY, the Alliance, and characters written by The Joss. Move along. You only catch flack when you waste our time.

"My days of taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle."

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 4:09 AM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse

Actually Kingelberk,I think you will find that us British prople understand just fine.Perhaps you would like a history lesson as to where the concept of democracy first originated.The British constitution was in place 300 years before yours and the contents are remarkably similar to the US version.Plus,if you add in the fact that most brits are aware of the world around them and differ from their US counterparts in that most are only aware of their immediate neighbourhood,your argument falls flat.Plus,it is a US moderator who has moved your thread,so where exactly is your beef.Sunshine,our two constitutions say the same thing.You can say what you want where you want.But those words have consequences.If you say things that are inciteful,then your peers are entitled to silence you.It works both ways.Freedom of speech is as important as freedom of choice.And this moderator decided that you were talking too much nonsense to be taken seriously.Your thread, BTW, was MOVED and not censored.It is now in a more appropriate forum, "JACK".!!!!!

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 4:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I noticed that too...

I think I'm done with this board.

Was a cool place while it was free.

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 7:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I want to apologize. I just clicked on the thread out of "Community", didn't realize it'd been posted where it was. Absolutely right; it doesn't belong here and I wish someone would move it. Troll Country is the precisely correct place.

I wouldn't have responded if I'd realized where it had been posted. Putting it here IS trolling. So, since people keep posting, I add my voice then go:

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 9:30 AM

STORYMARK

Quote:
Originally posted by KingEICHOLZ:
Thats just your opinon I always know what i am talking about

to cool to be a fool

The law isn't your opinions.

Guess you're not too cool...

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 11:13 AM

KINGEICHOLZ

ok you keep sayiny it was moved were?? i can't find it.

in shape

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:19 PM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse

Look in the Troll Country forum.Or maybe you can't find it because you are not in fact the real Kingeicholz and are just an imposter?Perhaps you are the same person who is impersonating Jewel Staite?Or perhaps,as I suspest, you are just a dickhead who cannot say anything remotely debateable?Here's a link for you so can enjoy your own ramblings.Please stay there. http://www.fireflyfans.net/threadlist.asp?b=15

Peacekeeper---keeping order in every verse!!!

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:27 PM

BORIS

I hear you and agree Stoweaway....when I said we gotta take the good with the bad I was being as nice as I could be. I meant we are forced to take the bad sometimes and it sucks majorly. I also come to FFF to get away from the mindless ignorance We are subjected to daily so it is irkafying when I see it here.

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:33 PM

KINGEICHOLZ

HOW DARE YOU SAY I SHOULD STAY THERE IN SOME OUTCAST BOARD I AM NO OUTCAST MY WORDS HAVE MEANING THATS LIKE SENDING ME TO THE GARBAGE DUMP I WILL NOT GO THERE.

U S A U S A!!!

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:48 PM

KINGEICHOLZ

OK I see were it was moved to the garbage dump but does it really belong there?? Lets see if i'm not mistaken Jewel is a cast member and the thread is about a cast member well I just must be realy stupid then to think talking about a cast member on a firefly message.... oh never mind.

REAL MAN

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Wednesday, September 2, 2009 3:40 PM

CANADIAN

im new here...and confused..

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Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:00 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by KingEICHOLZ:
HOW DARE YOU SAY I SHOULD STAY THERE IN SOME OUTCAST BOARD I AM NO OUTCAST MY WORDS HAVE MEANING THATS LIKE SENDING ME TO THE GARBAGE DUMP I WILL NOT GO THERE.

U S A U S A!!!

And yet, here you are. Again.

Your posts are garbage; that's why they keep ending up in the dustbin.

Mike

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