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RP Green Room for "Procrustean Karma"

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Saturday, January 17, 2004 6:08 PM

CAPNRAHN


I am thinking of starting an RP, but not with the crew of the Serenity.

"Dragonfly - the trials and tribulations of the DF Class Frigate Justiciar[/font]

EDIT: I am adding this, so I can sorta come up with the 'oppsite' view from Maro.

Without further ado...

Mal's voice over during the cast roll ...
"Here's how it is: Earth got used up, so we terraformed a whole new galaxy of Earths, some rich and flush with new technologies, some not so much. Central Planets, them was formed the Alliance, waged war to bring everyone under their rule; a few idiots tried to fight it, among them myself. I'm Malcolm Reynolds, captain of the Serenity. Got a good crew: fighters, pilot, mechanic. We even picked up a preacher, and a bona fide companion. There's a doctor, too, his genius sister from some Alliance camp, so they're keeping a low profile. You got a job, we can do it, don't much care what it is."

END EDIT...

It would be a group of post-war disaffected Alliance folk and retired Federal Marshals who found out the hard way that they were used. They don't feel they were on the right side of the war.

So, they quit their jobs or (if military) were 'rolled-out'. The main cast is based around a Fighter Craft Crew Chief (forcably reitred Seinor Master Sergant) by the name of Marovech Rahn.
(yep, the name is from an old DnD Character and the last is, of course, my ID )

He and his 'sympathizers' (engineers and his ground crew)scavanged and 'kitbashed' their own ship out of - primarly -Firefly class transports.

It is slightly bigger and to keep within the 'bug' aspect I am calling the 'new' class the 'Dragonfly Class Frigate'. Thinking of calling the ship the 'Justiciar'.

Explanation of the (overtly highbrow)Series Title "Procrustean Karma"
Definitions are a good place to start, 'speccially for those not who have not been exposed to Greek/Roman Mythology.

Procrustean: (pro krus te ann)Exhibiting merciless disregard for individual differences or special circumstances. -After Procrustes, a mythical Greek giant who stretched or shortened captives to make them fit his bed-
{Much like the Alliance tries to make everybody 'fit' their ideals.-editor-}

Karma:(kar'ma)The total effect of a person's actions and conduct during the successive phases of the person's existence, regarded as determining the person's destiny.

Now you may see how this title accurately applies to the crew of the Justiciar.

VISUALS
Here is a Cut-N-Paste of the Dragonfly Class Frigate so far.

http://members.aol.com/capnrahn/DFCFJcnp.j

{EDIT - I broke the link till I fix the size ... now off ta bed}

I have the fwd engines set so a 'power boost' could be done by directing both engines 45 degrees (up or down)and the fore/dorsal engines exuast (mixed correctly by the pilot) feeds the aft/ventral engine ... it think it is called hot fuel packing or somesuch. End result: Zoooooom!

Yoiu catch the 4 shuttles and the "Starship Trooper" esque retrevial ship planted on the nose?

Ships and tech can't just look purty, it's gotta work!

Spending 6 years working on B-52s and KC-135s sorta helped me get that ... um ... picky

The sorta purple/blue things are the shuttles ... the aft ones I fergot to put back in on the dorsal view after I noticed I had a superstructre-blocking-the-shuttle problem.

Yellow showing where the engine 'wing' is at in the side view

Red is the Captain's gig and main Bridge.

Heh, wait till you see the aft towed {collapsable) cargo containers ... makes you think even More of a Dragonfly.

Oh, and she has guns ... ever hear of Metal Storm, it is a real munitions system ... so it seems ...

here take a peek ...

http://www.metalstorm.com/


Justiciar Crew List

Ship Owner/Pilot
Captain Marovech Rahn
played by CapnRahn

Maro during the war:
Maro Post-War


HISTORY
Marovech Rahn was an Alliance fighter Deck/Crew Chief that found out where the Alliance was going to go with their Procrustean attitudes and decided he had been on the wrong side of the war.

His talents and personality during the war garnered him several close friends and allies. With these allies, Maro starts a project ... to build a long range heavy load hauler and crew it.

more later ...

QUIRKS


Pilot/1st Officer
Major{ret} Hlastoni(temp name)
Played by StJayne
The Major during the war (on leave):
and post war:

HISTORY

COB/Master of Arms
Mercedes Troy
played By MercedesTroy

During the War \/
POST WAR --->


HISTORY


Medic/Cook
Veila

Here is Justiciar's Hippy chick Doc and Cook...
During the War \/
and Post war --->



Engineer
Heropa Riftalope

During the War \/
and Post war --->

Avionics Tech
Milla {temp name}
played by Ciara

During the War:
and post war -->


QuarterMaster
Jax Sparrow
Played by Geezer

During the war --> POST WAR --->

Cargo Loaders/General Maintence
Allyson Michael

Gigi Michael
Played by TeelaBrown

The Twins! Gigi is on the left and Allyson on the right ... suuuuure.


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Saturday, January 17, 2004 8:51 PM

CIARA


Ooh it sounds very exciting, Capn!! A new RP scenario--with new crew and such will give everyone a chance to really build things from scratch--not having to stick to what was set up in the series, etc...This is to be an RP like the one we're runnig now, right?

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Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:29 PM

CAPNRAHN


Yep, but I am gonna be the gamemaster/Director as well as Cap'n Marovech Rahn.

And of course any BGA(Back Ground Actor) or any other NPC.

Gonna have rules, but not too many ... gotta keep it loose as to be fun.

Meebe have a ACT breakdown to help steer the story. The 'Cast' could help decide the most basic framework for the episode.

OH, and yes, I am going to try to keep the threads format same as a TV script ... Teaser, ACTs 1-5, Coda. Sorta like we are doing now in or RP "BB" aka "AnGR".
More later!

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:14 AM

TEELABROWN


Could I be the pilot? Majoret _________Hlastoni. What country influenced the last name? I could find a first name.

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:26 AM

CAPNRAHN


Yes, you can if you don't mind playing a guy.

OR I may choose to make the Major a Fem ... just for you! If you don't feel comfortable playing the opp. sex.

If you want to wait and read the bit of history I need to write for the Major and then STILL do it as a female, sure!

The name is an Anagram of the friend of mine who may play him in my proposed fan film = Tony Hlas.

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:04 AM

TEELABROWN


I prefer women, so thanks for offering to change. I await that histroy! Any way, I'm not that good at anagrams, so I spell things backwards, and maybe change a few letters.

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:17 AM

TEELABROWN


Scratch what I posted about the pilot. I'll either be Gigi or Velia. Whoever wants the pilot can have him.

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:15 AM

CAPNRAHN


Gotcha as Gigi ... did ja see the pic got from FM mag, I got luck and they did a double of Gigi Edgly ... so it looks like there are twins ... scantly clad, yet twins...

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:25 AM

CIARA


Ahhh I LOVE the gentlemen you have playing the pilot! One of my favorite actors: Oded Fehr!!! not to be to femme, but he's dead sexy *grin* NOw...Milla is ivolved with the engineer? Can't WAIT to see him

ahh another ship chock full of beauuuutiful people

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:34 AM

CAPNRAHN


Heh, just my "Dream Cast" ... thre fols i'll really be shootin it with are ALOT more ... ahem ... real.

I have been going thu my Milla pics ... hard to choose a before and after ... snoooozzzzzeee....

Whooops ... fallin' asleep ... back soon!

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:44 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Capn. About your female leads...I'll be in my bunk.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:44 AM

CIARA


ahh the second pic is perfect--I was hoping she'd have garish red hair and odd highlights ;) can't be a haXor girl without 'em

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:44 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Repost. MS Me strikes again

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:49 AM

CAPNRAHN


Anything for you, Ciara sweetie ...

I thought you'd like the 'after' pic ...

Now to get the other crew pics andn then the histories...

BTW, then Engineer "Dream Cast Actor(s)" are Samuel L Jackson or Avery Brooks ... just can't find the right pics.

well time fer this Lycan to sleep!

Catch ya later t'nite!

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:59 AM

CIARA


hmm!! Both Avery B and Samuel L J have their merits!! *ponders* not sure which I'd choose--Avery Brooks will always have a special place in my heart--but SLJ is pretty kick-ass....guess it depends if you want a gritty, rough personality or a more gentle demeanor--'course it all depends on the RP'er :)

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 10:33 AM

TEELABROWN


My gosh, I'll play if I at least have more than that!!

Okay, I'm overreacting. It is a fairly nice picture (Thanks to stratigic placing).

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:02 PM

HUMBLE


Let me get this straight. Claudia Black is the cook/doc? YES!!! You can Shanghai me on slow boat to China with her! I'd be interested in your RP, but only in a guest capacity. Have a full load this semester.

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:58 PM

CAPNRAHN


Ciara
I have seen Sam play mild and that makes it even better when he goes off on his 'explosions' ...

Avery Brooks can do the same, but his 'frek-outs' are not as spectacular.

IOW, the character Heropa is very mild - until pushed TOO far.

Heropa Riftalope (Robert in Japanese) was actually (during the war) a structural enigieering genius...
(as per EVERY Sci Fi show has to have the genius enginneer)
...but he is a Buddist and nudist (please don't hit me for the ryhme ) very much like the friend (Robert Hubbard)of mine that I am drawing the 'character style' from.

Teela
Hee hee soooory ... when I found that pic of Gigi Edgley 'cloned' I HAD to put it up as a pic of the twins together.

REAL WORLD THOUGHT - 2 Gigi Edgleys ... boggles the mind!

I am going to sort thu the Gigi Edgley head shots to get 2 different and easily distinguished 'looks' as to portray the twins a bit better.

Humble
I was going to use Goldie Hawn, but when actually was going thu pics and I saw the 'Hippy Chick' Aryen Sun and it was decided she would be the perfect 'avatar' choice for Veila.

If you want go ahead and make up a semi-reg (think sorta like Badger, Saffron etc) but be sure to note if he knows any of the crew and so forth.

This looks like it may be REAL fun - once I get set up better ... "waiting is" ...

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:50 PM

CIARA


OOOOH my character will be entangled with a Buddhist nudist? MY GOD MAN--it's like you tailor-wrote her for me *Laughs*

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:59 PM

CAPNRAHN


ROTFLMAO ... gasping fer breath ... sorry, caught me a bit off guard ... long story!

... Ahhhh... wheeeew ... meebe I should intro ya to the real life inspiration!

You don't happen to live anywhere near Bloomington IN?

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:19 PM

HUMBLE


CAPNRAHN-Character I want to play on a part-time basis is that of a enforcer/hit-man. Sort of like Jean Reno in "The Professional". Except he doesn't just keep to one world. He travels around incognito. Plying his trade to the highest bidder. Might know someone on the crew from his past. (I hope it's the Aryn Suun-like character.) Could use the Dragon-class ship as transport from one job to another. Travels under alias of merchant or banker. Sort of a have gun will travel meets homocidal maniac kind of guy. May also have connections with some kind of Maffia-like organization. Whaddaya think?

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:21 PM

CIARA


*giggles* didn't mean to startle you, Capn--nope, I'm waaaayyy down here in Taixas (typed that with an accent)

please do introduce your friend--I'm very interested in what he has to say :)

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:53 PM

CAPNRAHN


Humble
YES! Exactly what I was looking for! I love Jean Reno ... (ever seen "Wasabi"?)

Will he be an ExAl (ex-alliance, to coin a term)an ex-military covert-op type guy? Meebe knew Maro ...

Gimme a name and I little more history and I'll add ya in as a semi-reg and flesh out the 'Secrets' with you.

Ya know, every character is an 'Archetype', with a 'History', has 'Quirks' and keeps 'Secrets'.

Ciara
Hee, no worries!

Where at in Texamus? I was stationed at Carswell AFB for 6 years in Ft. Worth. Snif, I was on the base closer team.

Robbert was supposed to be haunting over here as he is a Firefly fan as well. I'll goose him into it and meebe get him to play his Avatar of Heropa Riftalope.

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:07 PM

CIARA


Dallas, Taixas! Yup-the dirty megolopolis *grin*

Awww hate I missed you in Ft. Worth! We coulda had good times!

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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:24 PM

CAPNRAHN


I left Tex'azz in '92 and went back to ... Indy.

I bet we could'a had some fun!



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Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:27 PM

HUMBLE


CAPNRAHN-Already got a name:JONAS HEXX. Yes, he will be ex-military. Trained and served with the Independents. Everything from infiltration to zero-gee combat in free space. I like the idea of maybe building up a relationship or rapport with Maro. This could facilitate Hexx's "business activities". Also look forward to interaction with other new characters as well. However, think it best if not all of the crew knew of Hexx's extracuricular jaunts. Maybe Captain could provide cover story for small percentage. Hexx is skilled in all manner of a ship's ops, as well as weapons. Such as swords, munitions, high-energy weapons, projectile weapons. Good with more exotic weapons and poisons as well as surveillance equip. Transports a large "box of tricks" with him that stores all his tools of the trade.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 4:35 AM

TEELABROWN


Hey Capn- Do you have the background for Gigi/Allyson?

(I just love saying that-Capn. Sounds like I belong.)

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Monday, January 19, 2004 7:01 AM

CIARA


got a little of Milla's backstory done--not sure I'm gonna stick with this yet--a little of it depends on what the person playing Heropa writes..we have to get together

was intrigued by a russian/chinese culture mix
let me know if you don't approve--this is a VERY first draft--just a few minutes work

Militza (Milla) Elena Tanaka (not sure yet)
was born to an affluent family on the planet Ariel.

She grew up surrounded by wealth and excess, and led a fairly innocuous life.

Mother Linka was a seamstress/clothing designer--famous on Ariel
Father Mihail was a pilot and systems officer in navy
Brother Sebastian was enlisted
Younger sister Liliya died in childhood-(unexplained so far, Milla may feel responsible--secret?
may lead to irrational fear later on)


She tinkered constantly with the house electronics, learning what she could from her older Brother
and her father--who was a ship's pilot and systems' officer in the navy.

When the battle between the Independents and Alliance began, Milla's only brother Sebastian (older)
enlisted on the side of the Alliance. Milla had never been comfortable with the Alliance's policy
on free will and human rights.

Unbeknownst to her family, Milla began an underground safe haven for the alliance movement in Ariel.

Once she was found out--her family disowned her to avoid any bad enganglements with the Alliance.

This crushed Milla, especially the disgust her brother felt for her

Milla had no where to live, so she accepted free shelter at the local Buddhist temple (met Heropa Riftalope?)
She found many Independent sympathizers there among the assorted drifters also housing in the temple.

Milla spent her time doing chores around the temple and discussing systems, programming, and exestential philosophy with the monks.

When the call went out for enlistment in the Independent army, she (followed Heropa?) took the call, and joined. (Heropa will describe ship, etc...stationed with him?)
She quickly learned her way around a ship's computer systems

Was at the battle of Serenity--(with Heropa)--most of her regiment was slain--part of the hundreds Malcom Reynolds had to keep together afterwards.

(met other crew there?)

now is ship's avionics tech on the Justiciar.

secrets: none YET, 'cept for the whole nude thing *grin*--and perhaps what happened to her sister

quirks: strange hair and clothing (Mother's influence)--speaks in an odd mesh of english, chinese, and Russian (assuming I can learn some)

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Monday, January 19, 2004 9:03 AM

CAPNRAHN


I REALLY like it! The name too, I just used Milla so I would remember 'how' I wanted her to look.

But one note ... the crew listed on my first post are/were all Alliance Military.

Most, 'cept the Major, worked for Maro on the flight deck of a carrier.

Also, the crew was at the battle of Serenity Valley.

I am meebe gonna done something 'fannish' ahd say that the fighter Mal shot down in the pilot was actually 'our' Major.

More later!



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Monday, January 19, 2004 9:07 AM

CIARA


ahh she's supposed to be Alliance? Well that's gonna take some reworking! hehe--back to the keyboard

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Monday, January 19, 2004 9:14 AM

CAPNRAHN


Yep, us crew of the Justiciar are unhappy ExALs (Ex Alliance) the goverment we fought for Lied to us and screeeeeeewwwwwd us.

Sorry about that, I dinna make it clear that the current crew list were all from the same Alliance ship/squadron.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 9:33 AM

CIARA


nope-nope--ALL my fault--it was right there in b&w :) at least this was practice! *grin*

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Monday, January 19, 2004 9:48 AM

ASTRIANA


I think I could manage to take on the role of Veila. Did you already have a backstory/any info on her (like a last name )?

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 9:52 AM

TEELABROWN


I'm just waitin' for background...

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Monday, January 19, 2004 10:03 AM

CAPNRAHN


OK OK ... I'll have the BKs by t'nite.

I just gotta sleep sometime!

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Monday, January 19, 2004 10:35 AM

ASTRIANA


No sleep for you!

Nah, take your time. We'll wait (impatiently) until you get it.

~A~

...I'm still free,
You can't take the sky from me.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 1:41 PM

TEELABROWN


I'll just start getting a rough sketch (Any changes welcome) for Gigi and Allyson...

Okay, they wern't rich, and have tinkered with things as far back as they can remember. Their brother(s) were enlisted, and (t)he(y) were killed by friendly fire, so Gigi and Allyson aren't big fans of the Alliance. They met up with Marovech in a battlr that happened on their planet, when he saved them with his incredable gunnung, and they have been with him ever since.

That is just something I thought of on-the-spot, and Capn, or the person who decides to take Allyson can change what they want.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 2:08 PM

TEELABROWN


Quote:

I'll just start getting a rough sketch (Any changes welcome) for Gigi and Allyson...

Okay, they wern't rich, and have tinkered with things as far back as they can remember. Their brother(s) were enlisted, and (t)he(y) were killed by friendly fire, so Gigi and Allyson aren't big fans of the Alliance. They met up with Marovech in a battlr that happened on their planet, when he saved them with his incredable gunnung, and they have been with him ever since.

That is just something I thought of on-the-spot, and Capn, or the person who decides to take Allyson can change what they want.



Okay, addition. They were orphaned, soewhere, and Marovech took them in. I'll make it not so confusing later.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 2:31 PM

TEELABROWN


Okay, revised edition of the bio. Still in the works, for now.

Gigi and Allyson were orphaned sometime in the past. Maro saved them when they were 12, during the war, 2 years before it ended. So, they're 20 now. Maro may have fought for them to stay on the ship, because they have a somewhat innate tech skill. And, he's like their father. May have had brother(s) enlisted, and (t)he(y) have died.

Okay, that's the update.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 6:51 PM

CAPNRAHN


OK for your entertainment...

The beginning of the Dragonfly song lyrics ... Which BTW, is from the perspective of our disaffected Alliance Miltary folk aboard the Justiciar.

For those who don't remember the music:
Instrumental an orginal song lyrics:
http://users.cis.net/sammy/horse.htm

Be not-so gentle!

"SHIP OF NO FAME"
(to the tune "A HORSE WITH NO NAME" by America)

On the last leg of our duty
we were sickened by all the strife
There were burned out worlds where broken dreams lay inside the rotting corpse
The first death we dealt at Serenity vale ...
The murder of the sky
Our weapons were primed,
We rained fire down
Burning Spirits to the ground

I've been thu the black on a ship of some fame
It's cost was paid in extreme pain

End so far...

OK folks, carve it up!

"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"

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Monday, January 19, 2004 6:59 PM

HUMBLE


The last part sounds familiar.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 7:02 PM

CAPNRAHN


Not intentionally ... can't remember any Neil Young songs right off hand.

But can you 'see' where it is 'going'?

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Monday, January 19, 2004 7:11 PM

HUMBLE


Rode through the desert on a horse with no name. A song lamenting Alliance vets as tragic heroes sounds pretentious. Alliance won the war after all. Was thinking song, if you use a song, should be more about present day circumstances immediate to crew of Justarius. Maybe not even a song but voice only intro describing the crew and their purpose would be more dramatic. Also seem less like more of the same as compared to Firefly. More innovative and more like your own creation.

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Monday, January 19, 2004 7:16 PM

CAPNRAHN


Wow ... how did you get that out of it?

"We were sickened by the strife" and noting there were broken dreams and corpses ... - glorfying?

This is not about all Alliance Vets, just our crew.

Dragonfly is supposed to be a parallel ... the art is telling the other side ... of OUR folks who thought they were fighting for one thing and found out their Superiors LIED to them ...

the song progresses to the current state of our crew ... when I get it finished.

The Justiciar is the "Ship of NO Fame" ... the Alliance ship (Name - anyone? a synonymm of Enterprise meebe ) is the "Ship of SOME Fame" noted in the first chorus...

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Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:13 PM

CAPNRAHN


What ... no other eval's ...

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Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:44 PM

TEELABROWN


Your lyrics are coming along, they seem very nice to me.

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Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:25 PM

TEELABROWN


So, we goin' to start soon? Or what?

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Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:49 PM

CIARA


*points to the cast* we don't have all the people we need, I don't think

Just a humble supplicant in service to all things Joss

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Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:50 PM

TEELABROWN


We could kinda start, and add people later, maybe. (?)

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Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:17 PM

CIARA


works for me! we could try that...sure would like to have our engineer---heya Capn--go round us up an engineer!

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