How many Federal Laws does Planned parenthood intentionally violate? by JEWELSTAITEFAN

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How many Federal Laws does Planned parenthood intentionally violate?

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 6:40 PM

Selling for profits viable organs from babies aborted after birth. Illegal.

Performing Partial Birth Abortions - period. Illegal.

Performing abortions for the purpose of harvesting viable organs. Illegal.

Apparently baby heads following abortion are the big money-makers.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/planned-parenthood-caught-selling-orga
ns-obtained-during-abortions

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421190/planned-parenthood-sellin
g-aborted-baby-organs

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/14/planned-parenthood-busted-on-tape-
trying-to-sell-aborted-baby-body-parts/

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 6:54 PM

WHOZIT

It'll be fun to watch who defends this, which loonatic politicos and celebs will be stupid enough to come forward and support this?

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:07 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It'll be fun to watch who defends this, which loonatic politicos and celebs will be stupid enough to come forward and support this?

Libtards have an unfair advantage there, with an unlimited supply of those.

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:51 PM

JONGSSTRAW

"Congratulations Fetus Number 289,655,172 ... You've won the Lottery! You're going to The Island. No need to pack anything."

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Oh I wish I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
That is what I truly want to be
'Cause if I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
Planned Parenthood would save only the best parts of me!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Soylent Green is baby innards!

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Jack and Jill went up the hill
To go to the Planned Parenthood store
Jack fell ill when he heard the drill
And Jill said "Thanks for making me a whore."

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Wednesday, July 15, 2015 9:56 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

It'll be fun to watch who defends this, which loonatic politicos and celebs will be stupid enough to come forward and support this?

What do you mean "which"? The ENTIRE LEFT will. They've already started.

The Bad, Worse, & Ugly: Media Coverage of Planned Parenthood’s Organ Harvesting Scandal

By Mollie Hemingway
JULY 16, 2015

At 8:00 AM on Tuesday morning, a pro-life group released two videos showing Planned Parenthood executive Deborah Nucatola munching on a salad and sipping red wine while discussing the harvesting of organs from the babies killed by abortion. One was a nearly 9-minute edited video of the nearly 3-hour discussion. The other was the unedited discussion.

Because of the graphic nature of the discussion — Nucatola specifically discusses altering abortion procedures to procure hearts, brains, lungs, and livers from the babies whose lives Planned Parenthood ends by abortion — the video immediately lit up social media. Unlike most significant stories about major hot-button social issues, however, no major media reported on the news until 4:30 PM that afternoon. Some are still working on (or working on hiding) their coverage of the story. Let’s look at some of the major media outlets and how they did.

Washington Post

The first story out of the gate from major mainstream media came from the Washington Post. It was originally headlined “Undercover video shows Planned Parenthood exec discussing organ harvesting,” and it was remarkably fair to both Planned Parenthood and those who oppose the harvesting of organs from children killed in abortion.

However, by the time the story appeared on page 1 of the Washington Post, it had been significantly altered. You can get the gist from the new headline: “Undercover video shows Planned Parenthood official discussing fetal organs used for research.”

You’ve heard of the journalism adage “If it bleeds, it leads”? Well how about, “There, that doesn’t sound so bad, does it? Probably don’t even need to read this article, do you!”

The executive is downgraded to an official. The wine she drank as she discussed how good Planned Parenthood has gotten at procuring hearts, livers and lungs is completely excised. In both versions, Nucatola’s clear statements about crushing baby bodies above or below their organs is given distance with a journalistic “apparently.”

The revised story introduced additional errors, including that Nucatola was not caught “explicitly talking about selling organs,” (she was) and claiming that Planned Parenthood doesn’t profit from these organ sales even though Nucatola specifically talks about making more money than breaking even.

Associated Press

The Associated Press national social issues reporter David Crary got his story out just over 13 hours after the video broke. His headline gives a preview of the euphemism pile-on he’ll use: “Covert video targets Planned Parenthood fetal-parts policy.”

His lede practically begs you to stop reading:

Anti-abortion activists on Tuesday released an undercover video showing a senior Planned Parenthood official discussing the disposition of parts from aborted fetuses.

The activists contended the video reveals illegalities, but Planned Parenthood said the activity in question was the legal, not-for-profit donation of fetal tissue to research firms.
Crary didn’t even bother to promote his own story, for whatever reason. He wrote nine stories about the Komen Foundation’s attempts to extricate itself from funding Planned Parenthood, including breaking the story. He wrote a total of two stories about Kermit Gosnell, the Philadelphia serial murderer and abortionist. You can read this piece for more information on Crary and the Associated Press’ trouble covering abortion, but perhaps of note for this story:

The Komen team described him as a “Planned Parenthood ally,” who had “gushed” over Planned Parenthood in a February 2011 article featuring Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards. “The article was essentially a rehashed Planned Parenthood press release,” Handel writes. He’s described as “sympathetic” to Richards and “deeply biased” in favor of Planned Parenthood. Komen’s media person says, “she had never spoken to a national reporter who was so openly biased.”

Reuters

Joining the Associated Press in the “we’re not even trying to be fair” category was Reuters, whose first piece on the scandal was literally headlined, and I want to emphasize I’m not being hyperbolic for effect but accurately conveying the headline: “Planned Parenthood slams secret video as false portrayal of fetus tissue program.”

This story came out nearly 14 hours after the story broke, reads like a Planned Parenthood press release if Planned Parenthood had less regard for its reputation:

Planned Parenthood said on Tuesday a secretly recorded video that surfaced on the Internet falsely portrayed the reproductive health group’s participation in the sale of tissue and body parts from aborted fetuses.

The non-profit organization said the video had been heavily edited and recorded by a group that was established to damage its reputation. It said in a statement the video “falsely portrays Planned Parenthood’s participation in tissue donation programs that support lifesaving scientific research.”
Nowhere in the story (written by Jon Herskovitz, with additional reporting by Patrick Enright and David Bailey in Minneapolis, and editing by Jonathan Oatis and Toni Reinhold) do we we learn that the group put out a complete, unedited, nearly 3-hour video at the same exact time as the edited 8-minute version. The double-claim of falsehood provided by Reuters on behalf of Planned Parenthood in the first two paragraphs is never substantiated, though a meager attempt is made to repeat Planned Parenthood talking points in the final paragraphs.

Newsweek

The Weekly Standard’s John McCormack provided the journalistic service of exposing precisely what talking points Planned Parenthood was sending out to reporters in an attempt to quash or reframe the story. The documents can be found here. One of the pieces of information Planned Parenthood’s public relations firm sent out suggested that David Daleiden of the Center for Medical Progress, the group that performed the undercover investigation of Planned Parenthood, should not be trusted because he has “written articles for opposition outlet The Weekly Standard and Human Life Review.”

The Weekly Standard is a large, respected weekly magazine whose writers include some of the best writers working today, including P.J. O’Rourke, Matt Labash, Andrew Ferguson, Jonathan Last, Vic Matus, Christopher Caldwell and the dashing Mark Hemingway. The idea that having written a sole article for the publication would be disqualifying is laughable to the extreme. And yet…

Newsweek’s story, authored by Polly Mosendz, shows the influence Planned Parenthood’s backgrounder had on her journalism:

The center’s leader, David Daleiden, has written anti-abortion literature for The Weekly Standard and is referenced on the pro-life website of Jill Stanek. Files uploaded by Daleiden to Scribd include “Prayers for the day,” which Daleiden describes as “one way to structure your prayer life throughout the day that some people may find helpful.”

Though Daleiden’s organization shares a name with the Manhattan Institute’s Center for Medical Progress, a spokeswoman for the institute told Newsweek the groups are “totally separate organizations” who have “never been affiliated.” This is all to say, the video was not made by a purely scientific center, despite the organization’s name, nor in a purely objective manner.
I joke about journalists being hostile to Christians, but I’m not sure I’ve seen someone’s prayer life used in an attempt to discredit someone. I’m almost impressed. Horrified, mostly, but also kind of impressed at how anti-religious the journalism is. Also, way to regurgitate Planned Parenthood talking points! You’re on your way to the big Andrea Mitchell-leagues!

Daily Beast

I don’t think the Daily Beast has gotten around to profiling Deborah Nucatola, the woman who talked about “crushing” babies’ bodies in such a way as to harvest their “lungs,” and “livers,” and “hearts,” and what not, but they did accept their Planned Parenthood marching orders for writing hit pieces about David Daleiden. Here’s Samantha Allen’s version of Media Matters for America’s version of Planned Parenthood’s hit on Daleiden.

CNN

CNN’s first piece on the Planned Parenthood scandal is actually a really good and fair story, in my initial read. It presents alternate points of view without siding with one or the other or accepting anyone’s claims at face value.

I did get a kick out of the accompanying video which begins, “In this heavily and selectively edited video …” What’s funny about this is that 100% of video news reports not involving live guests are very “heavily and selectively edited.” Because that’s how you do broadcast journalism

. We don’t see journalists introduce their reports by noting that fact, usually.

New York Times

The newspaper finally put up its story on the matter by 12:30 am the next day. It’s headlined “Video Accuses Planned Parenthood of Crime.” The piece accepts Planned Parenthood talking points completely. Its author, Jackie Calmes, must not have reviewed the transcript of the full video, or the full video. She devotes much space to defending Planned Parenthood against the charge it sells organs to purchasers. Here’s a representative section:

While the video, which was circulated on the Internet, alleges that Planned Parenthood is guilty of the crime of selling fetal remains, the official tells her questioners more than once that the cost, $30 to $100, is reimbursement for clinics’ expenses.
Of course, the official also specifically said that affiliates like to “do better” than “break even,” which Calmes doesn’t mention:

If it’s just reimbursement for clinics’ expenses, what in the world would Nucatola mean by that? Further, how do we know that these price claims represent actual expenses? What are the expenses for baby organ harvesting, exactly?

When someone read the following paragraph to me, I thought it must be an editorial from the New York Times because the language was so hystrionic:

As conservatives condemned Planned Parenthood for what they called “selling baby parts,” the reaction threatened to incite the sort of opposition that has led congressional Republicans in recent years to try to shut down the government unless Planned Parenthood was stripped of federal money.
Nope, just New York Times “news” writing. And it actually gets worse. She just fully editorializes throughout the piece. She also makes it seem like Planned Parenthood does breast cancer “tests” instead of just telling women they should go get breast cancer tests, but that’s a separate issue entirely.

Anyway, thanks to one journalist who got me thinking about the comparison, I thought it would be interesting to compare how the New York Times wrote up another undercover video hurting a Republican. When Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was surreptitiously videotaped in a private fundraising session making comments about “47 percent” of Americans, the New York Times didn’t wait terribly long to get it up on the site.

So the New York Times, which only had edited, snipped remarks from Romney, published a story on the matter in under three hours. For the Planned Parenthood scandal, with a full, unedited, nearly 3-hour video released at 8:00 AM, it took the publication around 16 hours to get a story up. The Romney story ran on the front page the next day. The Planned Parenthood scandal ran on page A16 the next day.

The New York Times story on Mitt Romney rightly focused not on how the video was obtained or the Democratic operative who obtained it but, instead, on the snippet of the statements it revealed. Reporters Michael Shear and Michael Barbaro’s headline was “In Video Clip, Romney Calls 47% ‘Dependent’ and Feeling Entitled.”

By contrast, the New York Times story on Planned Parenthood focuses entirely on criticism of the group behind the video, devoting the first 10 paragraphs to Planned Parenthood framing and spin and failing to speak with a single person who disagrees with the harvesting of baby organs. The story even failed to include the most interesting quotes from the video, such as the one where Deborah Nucatola discusses crushing babies in such a way as to preserve their valuable organs. Despite the fact that Nucatola is quite explicit about the harvesting of babies’ brains, hearts, lungs and livers, the story doesn’t mention anything even touching on the issue.

Imagine, if you will, the New York Times failing to quote Mitt Romney’s notorious 47% line (for the record, a search of the New York Times website shows that the paper has 1,010 mentions).

In fact, the nearly 3-hour unedited video of the discussion of baby organ harvesting was released at the same time as the shorter, edited clip. And what’s more, the media ran with the Romney video story well before the full 68-minute video was released.

It’s only been two years since the media struggled to even cover the story of Kermit Gosnell, the abortion doctor and serial murderer. After being shamed into covering the “local crime story” by readers and viewers who had requested coverage for years, the media offered a few mea culpas and promised to improve coverage of the abortion topic and present the issue more fairly.

They have repeatedly failed, whether the story was cheerleading for late-term abortion supporter Wendy Davis or accurately covering religious Americans opposition to paying for abortifacients.

This story, however, is so big that it is proceeding even against the wishes of the media and their brethren at Planned Parenthood. As the federal government and state governments prepare to truly investigate Planned Parenthood’s chop shops, let’s hope coverage improves mightily.

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Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:35 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
"Congratulations Fetus Number 289,655,172 ... You've won the Lottery! You're going to The Island. No need to pack anything."

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Oh I wish I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
That is what I truly want to be
'Cause if I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
Planned Parenthood would save only the best parts of me!

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Soylent Green is baby innards!

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Jack and Jill went up the hill
To go to the Planned Parenthood store
Jack fell ill when he heard the drill
And Jill said "Thanks for making me a whore."

I don't think they can transplant these parts, that's likely why they only are going for $30 to $100 a piece. On "The Island" they harvested parts from their clones.

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Thursday, July 16, 2015 7:53 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

On "The Island" they harvested parts from their clones.

Now there's a bountiful harvest of body parts!

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Friday, July 17, 2015 5:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
"Congratulations Fetus Number 289,655,172 ... You've won the Lottery! You're going to The Island. No need to pack anything."

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh I wish I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
That is what I truly want to be
'Cause if I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
Planned Parenthood would save only the best parts of me!

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Soylent Green is baby innards!

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Jack and Jill went up the hill
To go to the Planned Parenthood store
Jack fell ill when he heard the drill
And Jill said "Thanks for making me a whore."

I don't think they can transplant these parts, that's likely why they only are going for $30 to $100 a piece. On "The Island" they harvested parts from their clones.

If not transplanting, then why are they required to be VIABLE ORGANS?

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Friday, July 17, 2015 5:52 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
"Congratulations Fetus Number 289,655,172 ... You've won the Lottery! You're going to The Island. No need to pack anything."

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh I wish I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
That is what I truly want to be
'Cause if I was an Oscar Mayer fetus
Planned Parenthood would save only the best parts of me!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Soylent Green is baby innards!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jack and Jill went up the hill
To go to the Planned Parenthood store
Jack fell ill when he heard the drill
And Jill said "Thanks for making me a whore."

I don't think they can transplant these parts, that's likely why they only are going for $30 to $100 a piece. On "The Island" they harvested parts from their clones.

If not transplanting, then why are they required to be VIABLE ORGANS?

Dunno, my guess is Dr Frankenstien has something to do with this.

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 1:30 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I suspect this will be less innocent than claimed, and less insidious than represented.

I look forward to the truth surfacing in the fullness of time.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
http://tinyurl.com/bdjgbpe
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Context: http://tinyurl.com/afve3r9

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 3:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I suspect this will be less innocent than claimed, and less insidious than represented.

In what way would you consider "less insidious" to apply? How would the plain language admissions be less insidious that what they stated? Which admitted insidious practice do you think could be justified, or partly justified?

Quote:

I look forward to the truth surfacing in the fullness of time.

--Anthony

Welcome back Anthony.

Quote:

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term applies.)
Context: http://tinyurl.com/d6ozfej

That would be Fluke testifying about insisting that the government pay her for having sex, pay her for any birth control she needs in order to facilitate her uncontrolled sexual whims. Yes, that is a slut.

Quote:

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -T. S. Szasz

And the senile or libtard don't forgive but do forget.

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 3:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

facts - mia

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
facts - mia

Perhaps this means facts are missing in action, perhaps not. If so, a crassic example of stubbornly keeping blinders in place when unfiltered and/or undesirable facts or information is presented.

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:21 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I heard Planned parenthood trying to claim that NATIONAL SENIOR DIRECTOR Deborah Nucatola was merely a "staff member".

Albeit embarrassed, I shouldn't be surprised she got her BA from UW-Madison.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/deborah-nucatola-planned-parenthood-doct
or-center-for-medical-progress/

And my favorite news babe Michelle Malkin weighs in with the Hannibal Lector tag:
http://www.ammoland.com/2015/07/meet-the-hannibal-lecter-of-planned-pa
rent-hood-dr-deborah-nucatola/#axzz3gHAZglGT

http://christianpatriots.org/tag/deborah-nucatola/

Maybe it's no big deal. It's not like liberals ever really had any intentions of ever obeying any laws, right?

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Saturday, July 18, 2015 6:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

America is so fucked up about abortion. Seriously.

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Sunday, July 19, 2015 11:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, you know what they say about human life in America-

Human life begins at conception, and ends at birth.

It's the only explanation I can think of for why we hold proto-humans in such reverence, and then toss them in the ditch once they're born.

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Sunday, July 19, 2015 2:10 PM

REAVERFAN

You guys are gullible enough to fall for anything.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_reall
y_proves_right_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying_peoples_lives/

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Sunday, July 19, 2015 6:17 PM

ELVISCHRIST

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
You guys are gullible enough to fall for anything.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/16/what_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_reall
y_proves_right_wing_extremists_have_no_qualms_about_destroying_peoples_lives/

Bingo. No need to defend it, because there's nothing to defend. It's a hoax, a completely fabricated, made-up shit piece of scammery.

OF COURSE the right-wing idiots fell for it hook, line, and sinker. They're stupid. They'll fall for anything.

They're also crying about how John McCain got insulted by The Donald, and demanding an apology from him, but have never demanded any kind of apology for John Kerry.

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Sunday, July 19, 2015 8:56 PM

WISHIMAY

I don't now if y'all know this, but one of the biggest moneymakers for hospitals is selling umbilical cords for the stem cells. I wouldn't be surprised if they do other things as well.

Abortion is sad, doctors become clinically cynical all the time, and even if it is a hoax- I have no problem with the possibility of someone benefiting medically from dead babies. If they are going to be killed anyway (and not that I agree with late term abortions) I'd rather something good come out of it. Fetal tissue is good for burns victims, and here are just a few I've found online....

One of the earliest advances with fetal tissue was to use fetal kidney cells to create the first poliovirus vaccines, which are now estimated to save 550,000 lives worldwide every year.

Many of our other common vaccines, such as chicken pox, rubella and shingles, have been produced in tissue derived from fetuses, particularly two electively terminated pregnancies from the 1960s

So scientists may still grow fetal neuron cells, for example, in a Petri dish alongside stem cell-derived neuron cells as a reference point until they have more confidence in the stem cell technology

They plan to work with lab mice that have an altered immune system that behaves like that of humans. To achieve that, the researchers could transplant into the mice a small amount of liver tissue from fetuses

There are also a number of clinical research studies that are investigating whether transplanting different types of fetal tissue into patients could help them recover from diseases, similar to the practice of organ donation. One such study is testing fetal eye (retinal) tissue as a possible treatment for retinitis pigmentosa, a disease that can lead to blindness.

A lot of research in the last 10 years has also focused on using fetal neuronal cells for Parkinson's and another degenerative disease called Huntington's. Although early research on this approach for Parkinson's patients was not encouraging, a small subset of patients do appear to benefit from it.

Truth is, if you've had a vaccine- it's because of SOMEONE'S work with an aborted baby.

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Monday, July 20, 2015 12:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
So I can go public with my Fetus Farms marketing plan then?

No. But if you read the articles carefully on what fetal tissue is used for, you might figure out why you're wrong. If you can't, I'll tell you later.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Monday, July 20, 2015 2:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"I don't now if y'all know this, but one of the biggest moneymakers for hospitals is selling umbilical cords for the stem cells."

Public cord blood banks are regulated by the FDA. The umbilical cords are donated, the charges for those who receive them are technically reimbursements for all the money spent on collecting, testing, sorting, processing and preserving the cells in viable condition - all high technology, resource intensive procedures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cord_blood_bank

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Monday, July 20, 2015 3:22 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Public cord blood banks are regulated by the FDA.

There are 4 million babies born in this country every year. You really think they all go to cord blood banks?

I read a couple articles about it when my kid was a baby (decade ago) so I don't wanna try finding them, but I know what I read.

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Monday, July 20, 2015 4:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

MOST umbilical cords get tossed. Collecting them, either for private use or for public banks, requires informed consent.

Many that are collected go to public banks.

Some go to private banks. But their services are prohibitively expensive to purchase, and their use - by law - is restricted to the individuals whose cord blood is stored, and whatever family members are signed into the contract.

Which you would have found out had you read the Wiki article I linked.

https://www.stemcyte.com/why-save-cord-blood/cord-blood-collection-pro
cess/
If you read this you'll see collecting cord blood is an exacting process that must be done during birth. It's not like people can just quietly slip an umbilical cord out of the biohazard bag and into their pocket when no one's looking.

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Monday, July 20, 2015 8:23 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

Which you would have found out had you read the Wiki article I linked.

And you have no idea how well I'm doing to stay conscious today.

Today is the day that the outer husks of corn have started to mold before they dry out, as the weekend was very hot. And I'm allergic to mold.
I have a 101 degree fever, I'm been to the bathroom at least twenty times, I've sneezed so much I'm horse, and I've taken so much medication I'm shaking.

Not an excuse, just letting you know.

I don't think wiki tells the whole truth, and neither do hospitals ( I mean they aren't going to SAY what they don't want you to know), but if I can see straight tomorrow I'll check it.

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Saturday, July 25, 2015 4:40 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
America is so fucked up about abortion. Seriously.

Meaning what?
That you agree that Infanticide or murdering innocent children should not be allowed, or should be a crime?
Or that you think that anybody should be allowed to murder innocent child, up to some certain age? What particular age should the murder of children not be allowed? Yes, we do understand that in many countries the murder of children is commonplace and accepted - is this the stance you support?

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Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Great news.
Loretta Lynch is gonna sic her Justice goons on a target - not the ongoing criminal commissions and conspiracies of Planned Abortionhood - the groups that have exposed the criminal practices of Planned Parenthood.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/23/doj-investigate-planned-parenthood
-video/

http://www.standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/31944

http://spectator.org/blog/63545/doj-investigate-center-medical-progres
s-not-planned-parenthood

Maybe they should also investigate Law Enforcement Agencies which are enforcing Federal and Local Laws against the wishes of Obamanation - oh, wait. Already being done.

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Wednesday, July 29, 2015 5:08 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
America is so fucked up about abortion. Seriously.

Meaning what?
That you agree that Infanticide or murdering innocent children should not be allowed, or should be a crime?
Or that you think that anybody should be allowed to murder innocent child, up to some certain age? What particular age should the murder of children not be allowed? Yes, we do understand that in many countries the murder of children is commonplace and accepted - is this the stance you support?

There is a definition difference between foetus and infant, otherwise mothers would be no longer needed.

I do have ethical concerns about late term pregnancy termination, but I also do understand that there are occasional decisions that need to be made where a pregnancy is terminated late. These decisions are best made by doctors and patients and should be able to be justified.

Early term abortions should not be the political stoush that it has become in the US. Women should not have to proceed with an unwanted pregnancy if they choose not to. This seems to be a difficult concept for the POWERFUL conservative religious right who have done everything to prevent access to reproductive services.

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Wednesday, July 29, 2015 6:02 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

We should be seeing this story vaporize.
Planned Abortionhood has decided that since all the news stories are true and they have no defense for their multitudes of criminal violations, they have hired a PR firm to squash any story and pretend there is no crime here, move along now libtard lemmings.

https://www.aim.org/on-target-blog/panic-mode-planned-parenthoods-pr-f
irm-begs-tv-networks-to-not-cover-abortion-video-scandal/

http://yournewswire.com/planned-parenthood-has-hired-a-crisis-pr-firm-
amid-shocking-scandal/

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/planned-parenthood-crisis-commun
ications-firm-video-120725.html

http://mrc.org/press-releases/bozell-blasts-media-obediently-taking-ma
rching-orders-planned-parenthood

http://conservativeangle.com/planned-parenthood-hires-pr-firm-to-run-d
amage-control-after-its-exposed-selling-aborted-babies/

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Friday, July 31, 2015 4:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
You're using the word 'child' when you should be using 'embryo'. Just as you wouldn't call a seed a plant - since it's not a plant yet - you shouldn't call an embryo a child.

And no one would understand you if you said - look at that lovely child.

But perhaps that's too factual, too intellectual.

There is kookoo's image of the arms, legs, brain, liver, kidneys, lungs, head of an embryo that Planned Parenthood sells to the highest bidder. Are you convinced those body parts pictured are worth $100 each?

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Embryo: in humans, gestational period from 4 days to the end of the 8th week after fertilization.

Hey! Pop Quiz!

How many legs does an embryo have for Planned Parenthood to sell off for $100 after butchering?
How many arms does an embryo have for Planned Butcherhood to sell off for $100 after butchering?
How many brains does an embryo have for Planned Butcherhood to sell off for $100 after butchering?
How many hearts does an embryo have for Planned butcherhood to sell off for $100 after butchering?
How many livers does an embryo have for Planned Butcherhood to sell off for $100 after butchering?
How many kidneys does an embryo have for Planned Butcherhood to sell off for $100 after butchering?

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
You're using the word 'child' when you should be using 'embryo'.

But perhaps that's too factual, too intellectual.

Babies borne through the Partial BIRTH Abortion procedure are not considered embryos, by anybody that I've heard of. That is why it is known as partial BIRTH Abortion. The babies are delivered via the BIRTH canal and then executed. That is what Planned Parenthood is talking about - not selling arms and legs and hearts and brains and lungs from embyro.

Nice try to divert attention from the real issue - what reasonable person would really believe you, that harvested parts would sell for hundreds of dollars and that money got you what is in those images?

You have failed miserably there.

From thread:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=59796&p=1#10011
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Monday, August 3, 2015 7:41 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

POP QUIZ!!
How many arms exist on an embryo? And why can they be sold for $100 each?

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Monday, August 3, 2015 7:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

1KIKI

Today, scientists sound the alarm on other environmental dangers. Vested interests still hire their own scientists to confuse the issue. But in the end, nature will not be fooled. Neil deGrasse Tyson

MOST umbilical cords get tossed. Collecting them, either for private use or for public banks, requires informed consent.

Many that are collected go to public banks.

Some go to private banks. But their services are prohibitively expensive to purchase, and their use - by law - is restricted to the individuals whose cord blood is stored, and whatever family members are signed into the contract.

Which you would have found out had you read the Wiki article I linked.

https://www.stemcyte.com/why-save-cord-blood/cord-blood-collection-pro
cess/
If you read this you'll see collecting cord blood (or other tissues) is an exacting sterile surgical procedure that must be done during birth. It's not like people can just quietly slip an umbilical cord out of the biohazard bag and into their pocket when no one's looking.

Planned Parenthood is allowed to be reimbursed for the expenses it incurs during this surgical procedure, but not allowed to make a profit.

OTHER private entities - ie businesses - aren't restricted from making a profit. I'm sure you're happy about businesses profiting from embryonic and other tissues.

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Monday, August 3, 2015 8:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
1KIKI

MOST umbilical cords get tossed. Collecting them, either for private use or for public banks, requires informed consent.

Many that are collected go to public banks.

Some go to private banks. But their services are prohibitively expensive to purchase, and their use - by law - is restricted to the individuals whose cord blood is stored, and whatever family members are signed into the contract.

Which you would have found out had you read the Wiki article I linked.

https://www.stemcyte.com/why-save-cord-blood/cord-blood-collection-pro
cess/
If you read this you'll see collecting cord blood (or other tissues) is an exacting sterile surgical procedure that must be done during birth.

During birth? Embryos are born?

Quote:

It's not like people can just quietly slip an umbilical cord out of the biohazard bag and into their pocket when no one's looking.

Planned Parenthood is allowed to be reimbursed for the expenses it incurs during this surgical procedure, but not allowed to make a profit.

OTHER private entities - ie businesses - aren't restricted from making a profit. I'm sure you're happy about businesses profiting from embryonic and other tissues.

earth to 1kookoo: POP QUIZ!!

How many embryos are born? How many embryos are birthed? How many umbilical cords on an embryo make as much money for Planned Parenthood as an umbilical cord from a baby born after 9 months and killed?

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Monday, August 3, 2015 8:44 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

dbl

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Monday, August 3, 2015 8:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"How many embryos are born?"

Only a portion of those conceived.

Among women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is roughly 10% to 20% while rates among all conceptions is around 30% to 50%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

So, hey there Julie - there are BUSINESSES out the PROFITING from embryonic tissue.

Where's your outrage?

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Tuesday, August 4, 2015 10:01 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"How many embryos are born?"

Only a portion of those conceived.

Among women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is roughly 10% to 20% while rates among all conceptions is around 30% to 50%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

So, hey there Julie - there are BUSINESSES out the PROFITING from embryonic tissue.

Where's your outrage?

And here is kookoo claiming that babies are born within 8 weeks of conception, when they are still embryos, and they already have arms and legs. The delusion is strong with this one.

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Wednesday, August 5, 2015 8:38 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

America - nutso debates on abortion continues.

Yawn

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Thursday, August 6, 2015 3:23 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And here is kookoo claiming that babies are born within 8 weeks of conception, when they are still embryos, and they already have arms and legs. The delusion is strong with this one.

So when you claimed CHILDREN were being aborted, you were wrong.*

And yeah - those private businesses PROFITING from selling embryos - where's your outrage?

* A spontaneous abortion is the premature birth of an embryo.

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Thursday, August 6, 2015 7:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

And here is kookoo claiming that babies are born within 8 weeks of conception, when they are still embryos, and they already have arms and legs. The delusion is strong with this one.

So when you claimed CHILDREN were being aborted, you were wrong.*

* A spontaneous abortion is the premature birth of an embryo.

And here is 1kookoo claiming that embryos which are "spontaneously" aborted are birthed within 8 weeks of conception with arms and legs and livers and kidneys which are sold for $100 each by Planned Parenthood.
The delusion is very strong with this one.

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Friday, August 7, 2015 3:09 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So when you claimed CHILDREN were being aborted, you were wrong.*

And yeah - those private businesses PROFITING from selling embryos - where's your outrage?

* A spontaneous abortion is the premature birth of an embryo.

Also, what part of 'premature' don't use understand? Does it have too many syllables? Do you need smaller words?

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Saturday, August 8, 2015 2:56 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

And here is kookoo claiming that babies are born within 8 weeks of conception, when they are still embryos, and they already have arms and legs. The delusion is strong with this one.

So when you claimed CHILDREN were being aborted, you were wrong.*

* A spontaneous abortion is the premature birth of an embryo.

And here is 1kookoo merely repeating herself, stating again the exact same delusions, without any attempt to tiptoe towards reality.
Still saying that embryos have legs, arms, kidneys, livers to be sold for $100 apiece by Planned Parenthood, and within only 8 weeks after conception.

Can anybody identify the arms and legs in her picture of embryo? The ones worth $100 apiece?

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