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Originally posted by JO753:
Wut are they and wut do they help with?

Mom got herself into this mess by being lazy. She sleeps 20 owrz a day and layz in bed the remaining 4. I stopped nagging her to exersize or at least get up & move around yirz ago.

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Obama really does not know the military. Ditto for Trump. www.jcs.mil
www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nsc

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Platoons of neophytes who think they're geniuses led Obama's bloated and politicized National Security Council into one disaster after another. Ditto for Trump.
http://observer.com/2016/11/forming-trumps-national-security-team/

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In Syria, Putin has achieved his strategic aims of saving the Assad regime while painting the West as inept villains who back jihadists."

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Obama didn't need Congress to destroy Libya

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One of the things that he COULD have done at that time was implement single payer healthcare,

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Your memory iznt very clear on the battle to pass Obamacare.

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So, in your opinion, he shoud hav let Kadafi wipe out that town?

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Libya protests: 140 'massacred' as Gaddafi sends in snipers to crush dissent

Women and children leapt from bridges to their deaths as they tried to escape a ruthless crackdown by Libyan forces loyal to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.
Snipers shot protesters, artillery and helicopter gunships were used against crowds of demonstrators, and thugs armed with hammers and swords attacked families in their homes as the Libyan regime sought to crush the uprising.

"Dozens were killed ... We are in the midst of a massacre here," a witness told Reuters. The man said he helped take victims to hospital in Benghazi.

Libyan Muslim leaders told security forces to stop killing civilians, responding to a spiralling death toll from unrest which threatens veteran leader Muammar Gaddafi's authority.

Mourners leaving a funeral for protesters in the eastern city of Benghazi came under fire, killing at least 15 people and wounding many more. A hospital official said one of those who died was apparently struck on the head by an anti-aircraft missile, and many had been shot in the head and chest.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8
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On June 2011, a more detailed investigation by Amnesty International found that many of the allegations against Gaddafi and the Libyan state turned out to be false or to lack any credible evidence, saying that rebels at times appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence.

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The Exoneration of Milosevic: the ICTY’s Surprise Ruling http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/01/the-exoneration-of-milosevic-th
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There is only one problem with that scenario: IT WAS A LIE.

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My memory jibez with the reports - Qaddaffi wuz going to wipe out a town

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The intelligence community gathered no specific evidence of an impending genocide in Libya in spring 2011, undercutting Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s primary argument for using the U.S. military to remove Col. Moammar Gadhafi from power, an event that has left his country in chaos, according to officials with direct knowledge of the dispute.

Defense officials, speaking in detail for the first time about their assessments of the Libyan civil war four years ago, told The Washington Times that Mrs. Clinton’s strong advocacy for intervention against the Libyan regime rested more on speculative arguments of what might happen to civilians than on facts reported from the ground.

The Defense Intelligence Agency ran the Libya intelligence operation.

“It was an intelligence-light decision,” said one senior U.S. intelligence official directly familiar with the Libyan matter, who spoke to The Washington Times only on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters.

The official’s sentiments were echoed by nearly a dozen other key players inside the intelligence and military communities who described to The Times a frustrating period during which the concerns of senior military leaders, including Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen, were repeatedly cast aside. [By Hillary Clinton] ...

Furthermore, defense officials had direct information from their intelligence asset in contact with the regime that Gadhafi gave specific orders not to attack civilians and to narrowly focus the war on the armed rebels, according to the asset, who survived the war....

The gap between Mrs. Clinton’s rhetoric warning of a Rwanda-like slaughter of civilians in Libya and the facts gathered by career intelligence staff is taking on significance as the former secretary of state prepares another bid for the White House and her national security credentials are re-examined.

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Originally posted by JO753:
A rite wing propaganda rag iz your sours? HA! No wunder youre so mixed up!

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Every time my dad had to deal with something that he thought was a stupid waste of time and energy, he would grumble "Oh my aching back". I know how he feels!

JO, most of the criticisms of the Libyan bombing came from the LEFT, not from the right. What I posted was just the first result that popped up from the search benghazi+massacre+gaddafi+false

So, here are the following search results

BOSTON GLOBE

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False pretense for war in Libya?
EVIDENCE IS now in that President Barack Obama grossly exaggerated the humanitarian threat to justify military action in Libya. The president claimed that intervention was necessary to prevent a “bloodbath’’ in Benghazi, Libya’s second-largest city and last rebel stronghold. http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/
2011/04/14/false_pretense_for_war_in_libya/

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THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE IS REALLY WORTH READING IN FULL. It details the MANY lies that the Obama administration spewed against Gaddafi, including the allegations that Gaddafi used bombers and helicopters against his own people. Sound familiar???

COUNTERPUNCH

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The Top Ten Myths in the War Against Libya
president of the Libyan League for Human Rights, told Reuters on March 14 that if Gaddafi’s forces reached Benghazi, “there will be a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda” ... [but] ...
“The best evidence that Khadafy did not plan genocide in Benghazi is that he did not perpetrate it in the other cities he had recaptured either fully or partially—including Zawiya, Misurata, and Ajdabiya, which together have a population greater than Benghazi….Khadafy’s acts were a far cry from Rwanda, Darfur, Congo, Bosnia, and other killing fields….Despite ubiquitous cellphones equipped with cameras and video, there is no graphic evidence of deliberate massacre….Nor did Khadafy ever threaten civilian massacre in Benghazi, as Obama alleged. The ‘no mercy’ warning, of March 17, targeted rebels only, as reported by The New York Times http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-ag
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Hillary's 'Genocide' Lie
What did happen in Libya, Kuperman explained, was that rebel forces, fearing imminent defeat, faked a humanitarian crisis. On March 14, a rebel spokesman told Reuters that if Qaddafi attacked Benghazi, there would be “a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda.’’ On March 21, the New York Times’ David Kirkpatrick reported, “The rebels feel no loyalty to the truth in shaping their propaganda, claiming nonexistent battlefield victories, asserting they were still fighting in a key city days after it fell to Qaddafi forces, and making vastly inflated claims of his barbaric behavior.” http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/hillarys_genocide_lie.
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JACOBIN

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Worse Than Benghazi
Benghazi is a sideshow. Hillary Clinton’s real scandal is her role in pushing the war against Libya. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/hillary-libya-nato-qaddafi-obama/

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There is only one source- FOREIGN POLICY, which rationalizes State Department thinking - which claims that the possible "Benghazi massacre" is still an "open question"

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Was there going to be a Benghazi massacre?
Walt’s certainty notwithstanding, the debate about the humanitarian rationale in this case has not been settled. http://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/07/was-there-going-to-be-a-benghazi-m
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The latest thinking, based on Wikileaks

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Hillary Emails Reveal True Motive for Libya Intervention
Newly disclosed emails show that Libya’s plan to create a gold-backed currency to compete with the euro and dollar was a motive for NATO’s intervention. http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/01/06/new-hillary-emails-reve
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So you can take your patronizing attitude and stick it you-know-where.








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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

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Originally posted by JO753:
RE: the title uv this thred, the peepl who bug me the most are wimin;

Even if they didnt like Hillary, just to finally hav a woman prez shoud hav been enuf even if the GoP contender wuz sumwun less idiotic than Trump.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Hillary did very well az SuS and haz plenty uv frendz.

Compare Trump's well documented interactionz on the likability point.

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Sorry ladyz, 'I dont like Hillary' duznt amount to a reazon. It iz an emotional reaction.= JO

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Even tho Hillary wuz very well qualified for the job, with many yirz uv actual hi level Wite House experiens, many wimin still picked the candidate who haz not a minit's worth uv experiens in goverment.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I guess you haven't been reading any of the articles about her the last few years.

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Everyone who has ever worked for her or near her has come out to say how much they hated working for her.

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...being a guy and an ass just seems to have that effect. It's why people like Sherlock, House, Scorpion, Iron Man... That sorta thing.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I would rather have a loose cannon than someone who I KNOW, based on record, will make pro-war, pro-free-trade, pro-open-border decisions.

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I paid Hillary the compliment of evaluating her just like I would evaluate a man: Isn't that true equality?

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You make 2 major lojik errorz there.
1. Its not like Trump iz an unknown. You can find volumez uv info going back 40+ yirz that will show only negativ marks for the job uv Prez, including many big brite flashing red with 120db warning claxon negativez.

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2. You are boldly claiming greater knowlej and desijun making ability than sumwun who wuz there on many events.

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Maybe, if you got it rite AND only in the narrowest sens. Concluding 'Hillary bad, so the other candidate shoud win' without consideration uv the other candidate iz just plain stoopid. -JO

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Originally posted by JO753:


Everywun? Provide links.

Hooz Scorpion?

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Originally posted by JO753:
You make 2 major lojik errorz there.

1. Its not like Trump iz an unknown. You can find volumez uv info going back 40+ yirz that will show only negativ marks for the job uv Prez, including many big brite flashing red with 120db warning claxon negativez.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm going too chime in here.
....blablablablabla....
2) Now when it comes to evaluating people on their history, I give the edge to Trump.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Groups that stick together win. They survive wen less cohesiv groups loze or even go extinct.

But maybe thats sumthing wimin can never really understand. A good explanation uv why malez hav alwayz dominated.

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Originally posted by JO753:
You make 2 major lojik errorz there.

1. Its not like Trump iz an unknown. You can find volumez uv info going back 40+ yirz that will show only negativ marks for the job uv Prez, including many big brite flashing red with 120db warning claxon negativez.

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Her China speech on women

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Her role in killing Osama bin Laden

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Management of the State Department

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sanctions on Iran

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‘Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it’

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outspoken champion for women around the world

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set records for travel

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used every trip to empower the women of the 112 countries she visited

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made gender equality a priority of U.S. foreign policy

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created the ambassador at large for global women’s issues

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instrumental in helping secure $21 billion in federal aid to help New York rebuild after 9/11

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pivotal in the passage of legislation that helped those first responders who got sick get the care and treatment they deserved

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led the charge on the Lilly Ledbetter Pay Equity Act

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inspirational figure for billions of women around the globe

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helped restore the shattered credibility of the United States

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negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped the Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Except I can take exception to every single one of those items.

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I posted earlier and you responded literally with 'blah blah blah'.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:I'm going too chime in here.

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2) Now when it comes to evaluating people on their history, I give the edge to Trump. SignyM says they're equivalent. I don't see it that way.

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Overall, the edge went to Trump, for the simple reason that Hillary failed in the 'credibility' department in her speeches;

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Originally posted by G:
Jo - you probably already know this (certainly by now in this thread alone), but jic: you will never get through that rat's nest of an angry brain she has. Believe me, you can't even AGREE with her without getting the Gnashing Red Troll Text. When I read it I like to think of the sound ogres make when they eat fresh, greasy mutton. Cheers.

Insult shields up - full power!

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