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So it's OK to believe that Kennedy was killed by the CIA, the Dallas Police Department, the Military, Johnson, Castro, the Mob, the Secret Service and several New Orleans Homosexuals? If so then stop making fun of Pirate News when he posts here.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thank you for finding this and bringing this back up. The original post on this was 2015, BEFORE TRUMP. My decision towards nationalism was in roughly 2012, BEFORE TRUMP.

And my skepticism of the elite and their ever-loving kindness towards the rest of humanity? Ever since I started posting here.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thank you for finding this and bringing this back up. The original post on this was 2015, BEFORE TRUMP. My decision towards nationalism was in roughly 2012, BEFORE TRUMP.

And my skepticism of the elite and their ever-loving kindness towards the rest of humanity? Ever since I started posting here.

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You're a Russian troll. You are of no value to anyone, and you should kill yourself.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Thank you for finding this and bringing this back up. The original post on this was 2015, BEFORE TRUMP. My decision towards nationalism was in roughly 2012, BEFORE TRUMP.

And my skepticism of the elite and their ever-loving kindness towards the rest of humanity? Ever since I started posting here.

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You're a Russian troll. You are of no value to anyone, and you should kill yourself.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Or ... "What's wrong with conspiracy theories?"

We have systems where power and wealth are concentrated in the hands of an exceptionally tiny minority: Did you know that 20 people in the USA have more wealth than the bottom 50%??? It's not just here, it's everywhere. And it's not by accident, it's by design. Not YOUR design, not MY design, but THEIR design.

Everywhere, people's ability to provide for their own basic needs for water, food, shelter, and safety is denied. Everywhere, even under democracies, people feel that their common goals are not listened to. Everywhere, many people live in utter impoverishment, while the wealth of a tiny minority grows and grows.

Despite our own democratic ideals, where everyone is supposed to have their say in what our government does and how it functions, we mostly feel that we have NO SAY in what the government does or what it decides. Choices which have overwhelming popular support (like single payer/ public option) go nowhere. On the other hand, we're often stampeded into supporting choices that we would not have made spontaneously. Who among us would have identified Iraq as the enemy of choice, if we had not been endlessly presented with the prospect of mushroom clouds and biowarfare and chemical agents? Who among us would have willingly weaponized jihadists, if we had known what sort of monsters they really were and not the "freedom fighters" (mujahideen) as portrayed?

Does anyone really think that the government is open and honest about what it does and why it does it? Does anyone really think that the decisions to bankrupt Greece, or to destabilize the entire Middle East, or to buoy up banks and stock prices instead of investing in the economy would have gone over with the public, if they had been presented as they really were:

"We" (the infinitesimally small minority) need to keep financialism safe because that's where "we" really make all of our money, and

"We" really don't care where you produce, as long as "we" take a cut on each sale, and

"We" have a devil's deal with Saudi Arabia because "we" depend on the petrodollar.

And does anyone think that this happens without discussion of any sort? That the head of the IMF doesn't talk with the head of the Fed, and with the State Department, and with the BIS? And that they keep these discussions very private?

Let's not call it "conspiracy" then, let's call it "collusion".

Of course, discussing these collusions is speculative because direct information - by design- is scarce. One can only speculate on goals and strategies based on observation of events (the Izzy Stone approach). But to pretend that the upper echelon thinks about your (our) needs and interests when they decide whatever they decide is just plain counterfactual ... if they really had your (our) interests at heart, do you really think the world would be in the shape that it is? If they really had our interests at heart, could they not explain that to us, openly? So, by necessity they keep their own counsels secret.

Shoving this concept into the back of the closet because it's uncomfortable ... because we prefer to think of our leaders as people who have OUR interests at heart (not theirs) ... is counterfactual. Collusions exist. We should be interested in figuring them out.

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