Peace Thread by DREAMTROVE

I'm willing to put down my dukes. But I need to add my piece here first.

With the exception of G and J0, with whom I feel are very far to the left on most issues, and even THIGGRI who has lightened up a little in the last few weeks, the regular lefties here do one of two things in every single post. They either spew intense hatred toward me and anyone that doesn't agree with their point of views, calling us stupid or morons or nazis or whatever... or they pretend they're taking the high road when they reply and although they may not directly insult you they talk to you as if they have all the answers and they are talking to a two year old that just doesn't know anything about how the real world works.

Personally, the latter is far more offensive to me.

I'm not going to say that I'm without blame, I have thrown out the words SJW and cuck here and there even after I stopped drinking. That being said, even Bytemate has come in and taken notice of how I've gotten beat up in here.

This type of behavior is everywhere now. Not just here. These types of lefties honestly believe that they are more intelligent and educated than anybody who disagrees with them, and they have pure venom in their hearts for us. This is why I laugh when somebody calls somebody else a nazi or spits that venom in other ways because they are just showing everyone what they really are.

Obviously I'm not speaking about everybody on the Left. I happen to agree with a lot of traditional Liberal thought. It's the Regressionist Left that regurgitate their gender and diversity studies bullshit that I take issue with, especially when every post they make comes with a dose of hate and they don't even notice how they're behaving exactly in the way they claim to be against.

But whatever... I don't expect anything to change. Tomorrow is a new day though, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 2:09 AM

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:52 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Congratulations, 6ixStringJack! I acknowledge that I have read and understood your well-written message. I was thinking 'Do I have a brutally savage reply in me?' No, I've got nothing, but I'm almost pointlessly turning on the snark just because this is the internet and 6ixStringJack is strong, with a thick skin that deflects all rudeness and insults: Your double posting of the message must mean it came from your heart.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm willing to put down my dukes. But I need to add my piece here first.

With the exception of G and J0, with whom I feel are very far to the left on most issues, and even THIGGRI who has lightened up a little in the last few weeks, the regular lefties here do one of two things in every single post. They either spew intense hatred toward me and anyone that doesn't agree with their point of views, calling us stupid or morons or nazis or whatever... or they pretend they're taking the high road when they reply and although they may not directly insult you they talk to you as if they have all the answers and they are talking to a two year old that just doesn't know anything about how the real world works.

Personally, the latter is far more offensive to me.

I'm not going to say that I'm without blame, I have thrown out the words SJW and cuck here and there even after I stopped drinking. That being said, even Bytemate has come in and taken notice of how I've gotten beat up in here.

This type of behavior is everywhere now. Not just here. These types of lefties honestly believe that they are more intelligent and educated than anybody who disagrees with them, and they have pure venom in their hearts for us. This is why I laugh when somebody calls somebody else a nazi or spits that venom in other ways because they are just showing everyone what they really are.

Obviously I'm not speaking about everybody on the Left. I happen to agree with a lot of traditional Liberal thought. It's the Regressionist Left that regurgitate their gender and diversity studies bullshit that I take issue with, especially when every post they make comes with a dose of hate and they don't even notice how they're behaving exactly in the way they claim to be against.

But whatever... I don't expect anything to change. Tomorrow is a new day though, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:11 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The fault of this forum are with GSTRING (whose thread was sent to Troll Country by Haken), and similar participants.

If you look at the threads KIKI starts, they're almost always about some natural, environmental, or medical piece of news ... the amount of plastic in the ocean, a reliable test for Creutzfeld-Jakob etc. And what does KIKI get in return? Relentless personal attacks. I think KIKI said it best

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Though Mal4 has serious mental issues, and her identity is based on being smarter than any other woman she knows (which is why Signy causes her to become so desperately unhinged) - I've come to agree with her about one thing - this site had become a cesspool of trolls.

Yeah, that's THUGGR, who, at the bottom of each post, PROUDLY displays the fact that a thread of which he was a founding member was banished to Troll country. G, who posted the troll, and then spent post after post, day after day, whining about how come it was banished. KPO who continues to post propaganda without evidence, fulfilling his stated mission "Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition".

And then there's sgg who goes berserk, then whimpers it's because he's being treated so badly (and sgg, I have the posts where you started trolling first, and then kept on and on with it ... and now you're complaining about how badly you're being treated? Don't make me link your posts, because you know I will.)

second who can't acknowledge facts or discuss them.

And every other poster who runs away or hides in the woodwork, only coming out rarely to post only the most non-controversial things, for fear that THEY will be the next target, ESPECIALLY if they dare agree with Signy.

This is when I got this revelation.
It's when THUGGR posted an entire set of lies - not once, not twice but ~~three~~ four times. And was proven wrong.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016814#1016814
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016816#1016816
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016817#1016817
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60278&mid=1
016818#1016818

But this isn't the first time that's happened. So, why do G, and KPO, and second, and sgg, and mal4 stay silent about the bankrupt personal attacks that THUUGR makes WHEN THEY ARE SO CLEARLY UNTRUE? Why do THEY not take him to task? Why do THEY not disavow his idiocies?

It's because, while they think that THUGGR is an idiot - which he is - they think he's THEIR USEFUL idiot. Doing for them what they're too cowardly to do themselves. Instead of challenging THUGGR when he posts something that's OBVIOUSLY untrue, they silently accept it --- then snipe from the sidelines whenever they can in order to keep up a barrage of personals attacks.

Which makes the whole group JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER JUNIOR HIGH BULLY GANG.

And WHY do they do it? Well, first of all, because like trolls everywhere, they're sadists, high on the dark tetrad scale. THEY'RE SIMPLY MENTALLY DEFORMED PEOPLE who can't help themselves. And secondly, because they found a victim - someone who posts unpopular facts and ideas. Now, even though the facts are well buttressed with a wide variety of references, and the ideas clearly reasoned, that they are UNPOPULAR is enough of a 'reason' for them to excuse their own behavior. Some nerve Signy has! I'm sure you all agree.

The only one who's still pretending this is a discussion board is Signy.

The rest of the active posters are useless human flesh.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60865

I'll be happy to back off the snark, but only when assholes on this board dial back their PERSONAL ATTACKS, CALL OUT PERSONAL ATTACKS BY THEIR BUDDIES, and maybe engage in a ACTUAL DISCUSSION, for a change.

When I stop feeling like I'm being surrounded by a "junior high bully gang" and people actually behave like real live adults instead of expressing their unhinged jackassed-ness, I'll stop being nasty. Your move.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR IS A DEEP-STATE TROLL

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 9:38 AM

RIVERLOVE

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

That is all. Peace out.

Dear Mahatma,

You might want to consider posting directly to the forum user that recently called Signy a "cunt" and called Six a "fucking piece of shit". After that you can post your condemnation of the ones that routinely attack others by insulting them as "Nazis" or "Racists".

That's just a few people you need to win over to your call to non-violence. Everyone else is already marching to the salt mine. Good luck Bapu.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 10:12 AM

Good points, all

As 6 said, everyone has something that gets their goat. For me, it's when folk deliberately misrepresent your post trying to force you to respond. I agree, it's not here, it's everywhere.

Everyone, Do whatever you want, but be aware that you're doing it. This is the reason why the forum collapses, which in turn is the reason why no firefly.

If a flame war gets started, no one is talking even about the real world events, Oon, also, see no firefly.

I'm always saying this sort of thing, always have. It's not telling people what to do it's telling them to wake up and look what they're doing. It wasn't me who pointed it out, it was Mutt, but I'm glad he did.

Nothing's wrong with snark, Second, it's the internet, and there's a word for that. Also it happens socially all the time. To me, it's society's way of filtering out the easily offended, we defensively throw out barbs to see who squeals, knowing that they will cause trouble for all of us later on in our relationships, so we know to dodge them.

When we're not aware, it becomes the rolling flame war of eternal trolling. Considering the purpose of the snark, as I understand it, my own method of dealing with it is to snark as long as the other person is taking it in kind, and if they're offended, then moving on, and sort of breaking off that particular exchange.

No one is immune, Sig, and I'm not going to dig up threads to prove it, I know you know, this is a thread to talk things out.

Everyone sees trolls. Don't feed them. The rest of the internet figured it out.

But to answer why not let RWED be RWED:

Because people who come here post elsewhere. It doesn't matter if we don't, and sometimes we do, flame them elsewhere. i've talked to a lot of former members and to a one they all give as the reason why they left: RWED trolling flame wars. And you can see it in the archive. Everyone leaves from RWED, one after another, because everyone else gangs up on them. And it's always when they're going through something personal, and they get deeply offended. It doesn't take much, if you catch someone at the wrong time. half a dozen posters will do it.

Where does it get us? We're not changing someone's position by yelling at them. Nor are we defending anything. People change, myself included, but not because a bunch of people were yelling at me. i left because of it.

And once they leave, they're no longer in General or Talk Story or Blue Sun room, because they're gone. And over 99% of users have left. Of 50,000, we have 300 some. And that's not enough of a fanbase to convince fox to run with firefly. There are a couple hundred thousand fans out there, they're just not here, and that's why.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 1:20 PM

Hey G... if you start digging up what I've said, do try to keep it within 2017 since my sobriety and do try to look at the preceding posts. I've lost my cool a few times, but I think you'll see that they were justified.

I can't be bothered to go back in time, and I'm not keeping score, but I will point out needless spiteful digs as they occur in real time ;)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 2:24 PM

River,

And here I was thinking I was being rodney king. And expecting to get beaten up accordingly. Anyway, don't have to, I was there, I know, that's how it goes. and everybody knows.

G, ^

yes, just that.

what 6 said,

Past is past, and is the future made of firefly, fanfic or trolling flame wars and argument.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:28 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"G"string

You might notice, it's not that I only post a few threads, IT'S THAT I POST NO ATTACK THREADS - unlike, well, you - whose thread went to Troll Country. Or have you forgotten? And that - you may have noticed, I'm on the board only rarely so I only post now and again - unlike, well, you. I post what I find interesting, or amusing, or informative, and not to start flame wars or spread propaganda - unlike, well, you.

And while my threads don't get a lot of replies, they get a lot of views, considering there are probably only 10 regular posters left.

Every single thread I've started in the last 6 months.

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BTW - It won't take long to find page after page of your trolling. Do you want to blame someone for RETURNING insults? I'll post you INSULTING FIRST.

ENJOY!

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:32 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"G"string

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Fake news, propaganda, and censorship, from both the left and right

Passive Aggressive Authoritarianism - a new phrase I have just coined. Keep it in mind.

On (sic) other words - BS article (assertion without evidence)

again, a BS article (assertion without evidence)

BS (assertion without evidence)

I really need to see a reputable source (assertion without evidence)

You have to ask...? Of course (assertion without evidence)

OR, what you do: "Because who needs evidence when Fake News will do?" (accusation without evidence)

I think in your zeal to attack anything negative about Russia and Putin you mixed up your stories and targets.
A- R - I - C - E - P - T. Clinically tested, proven results - start living today.

HEY DUMBASS!
You're confused again! I swear it's like being at the old folks home.

You hate WaPo because they were denied press credentials early on by Trump, so their reporting on Herr Trump has been especially pointed and you can't handle seeing Putin's BFF get mud in his eye. Yeah, it's that obvious.

There is some good news though - A generic version of Razadyne has been approved by the FDA.

And you and Bozo the Clone ... didn't you read the email it was shipped to you in? Or maybe your just too slow.

I'll need more evidence for all of this. (snark to a linked and entirely quoted
article)

No worries Kikikiki - we know the game, be fake all you want.

Are you saying it's ok for people to coordinate misinformation? Are you saying it's ok to visit forums and social media outlets and post false assumptions or erroneous conclusions based only on partial or zero knowledge or hearsay as if it were factual? In short, Kiki: Are you saying it's ok to lie?

And you just automatically believe everything Russian government says without... what's the word... evidence? (accusation without evidence)

I get all my "funny news" from zero hedge and RT - they are frellin' hi-larious.

Which part was fake? I'm beginning to think you don't understand one or both of those English words.

You and KikiBullShitDumbAsDirtDumbShit seem to have gotten the same directive. You and It are threatening to "preserve" posts for some kind of future Kremlin tribunal. Is that your new mandate?

half the time it's ... just you making sh*t up again (accusation without evidence)

'Kiki' - just to remind - you make fake conclusions. (accusation without evidence)

You're such a lying fraud. (accusation without evidence)

SIGNYM FRAUD (accusation without evidence)

On to the next thread ...

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 5:15 PM

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 5:27 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

DT

If you can keep people from attacking - I guarantee I won't start anything. Maybe you should highlight the instigators instead of the targets. Or is that too fair-minded for you?

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:39 PM

Looks like I have me, 6, River and 1kiki tentatively on board. I figure a few more in and we can have some peace talks.

G,

re: Firefly. What brought Star Trek, the once cancelled show, back? The size of the fan base and their attention to the subject. The lack of an internet so they couldn't fight about carter or reagan instead, or if they did, no one saw it. at this point, we're down 99%, most of it from 2014-2015. Do we stick it out or fold. If we stick it out, don't we want everyone back? It's not like it's impossible, anyone can find them, it's just they don't want to come back. I know a couple people I talked into coming back came for a day, they saw some trolling, and left again. So what chased people away is still doing it. And yes, I think fanbase numbers is the determining factor of where murdoch spends his money.

My point is that it's very easy for anyone to look at the archive and see that Mutt was right. What can we do about it? Be a community again.

also, Isn't the flame war a waste of everyone's time? just taking a thread to have a calm discussion. which we're doing, which is good. The rest of the threads, whatever. We gotta start somewhere.

1kiki,

I've been avoiding doing that. I don't think peace can be made by dredging up even yesterday's arguments. Also, while we all agree that there are a handful of folks trolling, everyone would have a slightly different list.

So, if we can select *for* people being reasonable, it's self selecting.

That said, I'm curious to know what y'all think are destructive pattern or behaviors, not people, but things that chase people away.

I'll start. This is the #1 thing ex-members of this site have complained to me about: the pile on. When user2 attacks user 1, user3 joins in attacking user1, and then so on until user7, at which point user1 quits.

Thereafter if the same thing happens in chain to user2, in third party politics this is called the circular firing squad.

Particularly, the CFS tends to run like this in a third party, commonly. argument divides into side A and side B. Someone ends up on a different side than others predicted, and their former allies attack them (traitor to the cause, turncoat, etc.) Multiple targets might be selected before someone is ousted, but the next victim is most likely to be one of the attackers in the last round.

This is easy to avoid. If we recognized that a pile on was occurring, to not pile on. Figure, "oh this one is being handled." If someone is way out of line, and someone else corrects them, then they might not listen, maybe two or three do, they probably are going to listen. If six do, they'll just leave.

That's the most destructive behavior that I witnessed.

I left when it happened to me just after my sister died. Then I came back sporadically because various people kept sending me links. Eventually I stopped coming back altogether a year later when I saw nothing had improved. Within a year after that, everyone had left.

thoughts on this, or other destructive patterns you've noticed, please share.

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Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:59 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's hard to have a reasonable discussion with people who refuse to discuss. Instead, they post endless personal attacks, accuse without evidence, assert without facts and cites, post flame-bait, etc.

In any case, I'm happy to discuss anything with anyone who offers a reasonable conversation (time permitting of course !).

What I believe has happened is that most of the reasonable people were either specifically driven away by being personally attacked (eg Chrisisall; Nikki), or just left as the place devolved into Lord of the Flies, because really, there's not enough time in anyone's life to spend on that.

How did your beloved 'democratic' party fuck up so badly?

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:17 AM

G, I hope you don't mind but I had to pick my favorite.

SIGNYM: “Oh bullshit, you pile of human excrement."

Now that's funny.

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Originally posted by G:
And this is why I stay - to confront the mountain of lying bullsh*t SIGNYM posts in every thread.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The fault of this forum are with GSTRING (whose thread was sent to Troll Country by Haken), and similar participants.

For instance - here's the "banned" thread - see who was the Troll:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60719

Here are some of her personal attacks, I mean "discussions," only since last Nov. I preserved them because I knew she would lie as she is now:

SIGNYM: “And if you really DON'T believe that idea, why do you keep masturbating to it? I mean, you remind me of nothing so much as a group 9-year-olds doing a circle jerk.”

SIGNYM: “…to THUGR, SECOND, KRAPO (even if he is British) and GSTRING (even if he is Canadian). I have never met such online dicks in my entire life, and that includes the reichwing here.”

SIGNYM: “Now it's just a nest of liberaloids who name-call according to the latest liberaloid think-thank propaganda. Christ, you can't even discuss a topic. What the hell is wrong with you? How can you be such a big asshole and even imagine that you're an OK kind of person?”

SIGNYM: “Oh bullshit, you pile of human excrement.

SIGNYM: “Basically, you've got your collective head stuck up your collective liberal asses.”

SIGNYM: “What a coward. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you start spewing bullshit? You and THUGR, the junior-high bully gang personified. I hope your life is a miserable fucking hell.

SIGNYM: “I DO consider the source, and you're sewer-level. “

SIGNYM: “I don't despise you because you're a useless piece of millenial dreck”

SIGNYM: “The lesson applies to you, you human shitstain. Up the maturity level yourself.”

SIGNYM: “There you are, thread after thread, being the low low-class shithole that you are. I'd wish for you to feel like you had a big old dildo stuck up your ass, except you'd probably enjoy it.”

SIGNYM: “Yanno GSTRING - you piece of used toilet paper - I have NOT YET reached YOUR TOTAL of snark, insults, and trolling that you've managed to put up here in this board.”

SIGNYM: So, KRAP (KPO, I'm calling you KRAP for the time-being, since you always seem to spray the board with scheiss

SIGNYM: “AND THEN YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID AND ASSHOLE”

SIGNYM: “ You're a big juicy asshole…”

SIGNYM: “It's like me calling a whole group of people n!ggers and expecting them to laugh.”

SIGNYM: You're just a whining crybaby, you stupid twit.

Friday, November 11, 2016
SIGNYM: : I TOLD YOU, FROM TUESDAY UNTIL MONDAY, IT'S GOING TO BE NONSTOP TROLLING AND PERSONAL ATTACKS... YANNO, THE THING YOU DEDICATE YOUR LIFE TO.

SIGNYM: “What a coward. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you start spewing bullshit? You and THUGR, the junior-high bully gang personified. I hope your life is a miserable fucking hell.”

SIGNYM: “Most people argue from fear. But when fear drives people to behave like assholes ... well, I hope that's a lesson learned. For them. Except THUGR who was apparently turned into a giant asshole in his young life, and seems incapable of changing his mind on anything.

SIGNYM: “So, speaking of assholes: Where IS that fellow, anyway? I'll bet he was all prepared to start crowing and be an even bigger asshole. and now he's slunk off to his nasty den. I hope he doesn't show his face for quite a while. All I can say is, he better learn how to create a new account and show up under a different name, because out of all of the assholes on this board, he was the nastiest.“

SIGNYM: “So we can expect you to be a complete lying hypocritical know-nothing asswipe, with no respect for facts or the truth, for the foreseeable future. In other words, a butt-hurt crybaby liberaloid troll.”

SIGNYM: “Yes, SECOND, YOU have been a liar and an asshole throughout this whole discussion. It's been pointed out to you- and everybody else- repeatedly.”

SIGNYM: “…the usual miscreants on the board”

SIGNYM: So fuck you and your pretense of speaking for "the world".

SIGNYM: PUT UP OR STFU, YOU NASTY FUCKING LIAR.

SIGNYM: Yep; that's you: EVIDENCE-FREE ACCUSATION is your stock-in-trade. You're a big phat phucking LIAR. You have been since you started posting here. You're a troll and a propagandist, and I wouldn't be surprised if YOU were getting $$$ for your idiot posts.

SIGNYM: You get an award for sticking your head up your ass and firmly keeping it there.

SIGNYM: THUGR IS A DEEP STATE TROLL AND A LIAR

SIGNYM: God, GSTRING, don't you get tired of living in the deep state's anus and then having to defend your lifestyle?

SIGNYM: THUGR you're just a fucking fascist.

SIGNYM: OMFG, I can't believe how stupid you are!!! "Yellow journalism" was in the AMERICAN HISTORY curriculum you fucking moron.

My guess is Haken banned the thread not because of what other people said, but because a long time poster Kiki complained (whined) and because of SIGNYM's foul mouth.

Another transparent lie:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you look at the threads KIKI starts, they're almost always about some natural, environmental, or medical piece of news ... the amount of plastic in the ocean, a reliable test for Creutzfeld-Jakob etc. And what does KIKI get in return? Relentless personal attacks.

Riiiight... Kiki went on a copy-and-paste flurry for like a week, generally no comments from her, just a link and copied text.And it was so obvious what she was doing when she did it. So either she or SIGNYM could say, "blah blah posts only good, positive stuff...see!" Have a look at page 1 of RWED - no Kiki threads. Page 2, only one - the only one that had more than a few responses. Page 3! The glut of useless copy and paste from Kiki. All have single digit responses because no one really gave a sh*t. Of the the few responses most are from... guess who? Of course.

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I think KIKI said it best...

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Though Mal4 has serious mental issues, ...

She even starts with a personal attack, my god.

Hey, whaddya know - more observable SIGNYM lies:

"Yeah, that's THUGGR, who, at the bottom of each post, PROUDLY displays the fact that a thread of which he was a founding member was banished to Troll country."
- a lie. He posts it to show you can't hide your trolling tirades by whining to Haken.

"G, who posted the troll, and then spent post after post, day after day, whining about how come it was banished."
- *snort* You 2 are the only people who bring that thread up, lie.

"KPO who continues to post propaganda without evidence, fulfilling his stated mission "Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition"
- KPO who made you look the fool time and time again, who left probably because all you responded to his posts with were more, observable lies and he was tired of dealing with such an open fraud.

"And then there's sgg who goes berserk, then whimpers it's because he's being treated so badly (and sgg, I have the posts where you started trolling first, and then kept on and on with it ... and now you're complaining about how badly you're being treated? Don't make me link your posts, because you know I will.)"
- Hey, she switched it up and added a THREAT this time! Something new.

"second who can't acknowledge facts or discuss them." - that's it? Talk about a whimper.

"And every other poster who runs away or hides in the woodwork, only coming out rarely to post only the most non-controversial things, for fear that THEY will be the next target, ESPECIALLY if they dare agree with Signy."
- she even thinks she can read minds.

"But this isn't the first time that's happened. So, why do G, and KPO, and second, and sgg, and mal4 stay silent about the bankrupt personal attacks that THUUGR makes WHEN THEY ARE SO CLEARLY UNTRUE? Why do THEY not take him to task? Why do THEY not disavow his idiocies?"
- 'cuz he's right and you're a piece of go se.

"It's because, while they think that THUGGR is an idiot - which he is - they think he's THEIR USEFUL idiot. Doing for them what they're too cowardly to do themselves. Instead of challenging THUGGR when he posts something that's OBVIOUSLY untrue, they silently accept it --- then snipe from the sidelines whenever they can in order to keep up a barrage of personals attacks."
- um, you just personally insulted like 6 people to complain about personal insults.

"Which makes the whole group JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER JUNIOR HIGH BULLY GANG."
- all caps cheese and whine time!

"And WHY do they do it? Well, first of all, because like trolls everywhere, they're sadists, high on the dark tetrad scale. THEY'RE SIMPLY MENTALLY DEFORMED PEOPLE... "
- thanks for the insult. Actually, it's for this kind of sh*t - read up.

"who can't help themselves. And secondly, because they found a victim - someone who posts unpopular facts and ideas. Now, even though the facts are well buttressed with a wide variety of references, and the ideas clearly reasoned, that they are UNPOPULAR is enough of a 'reason' for them to excuse their own behavior. Some nerve Signy has! I'm sure you all agree."
- trouble is virtually no one agrees. Well, I take that back. She has a lot of nerve to lie as much as she does and then act the one aggrieved.

"The only one who's still pretending this is a discussion board is Signy."
- says the person who copies and pastes most of her threads.

"The rest of the active posters are useless human flesh".
- no personal insult there! Well, except for everyone!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"I'll be happy to back off the snark, but only when assholes on this board dial back their PERSONAL ATTACKS, CALL OUT PERSONAL ATTACKS BY THEIR BUDDIES, and maybe engage in a ACTUAL DISCUSSION, for a change.

When I stop feeling like I'm being surrounded by a "junior high bully gang" and people actually behave like real live adults instead of expressing their unhinged jackassed-ness, I'll stop being nasty. Your move."

My response - to quote SIGNYM:

SIGNYM: “Oh bullshit, you pile of human excrement."

Sorry hon, a lot of people just don't trust you or agree with you. I'd think you'd be use to it by now.

SIGNYM: “And if you really DON'T believe that idea, why do you keep masturbating to it? I mean, you remind me of nothing so much as a group 9-year-olds doing a circle jerk.”

SIGNYM: “Another one just joined the stupid club”

SIGNYM: “I'm going to add SECONDRATE to the crazy-bus. “She…”

SIGNYM: “Do you feel more positive about your opinions, yourself, and especially your future, if you just keep lying over and over again? Other than obsessively soothing your feelings and stimulating yourself, what do you get out of this?”

SIGNYM: “It used to be that this board was full of intelligent and interesting people.”

SIGNYM: “…to THUGR, SECOND, KRAPO (even if he is British) and GSTRING (even if he is Canadian). I have never met such online dicks in my entire life, and that includes the reichwing here.”

SIGNYM: “Now it's just a nest of liberaloids who name-call according to the latest liberaloid think-thank propaganda. Christ, you can't even discuss a topic. What the hell is wrong with you? How can you be such a big asshole and even imagine that you're an OK kind of person?”

SIGNYM: “Oh bullshit, you pile of human excrement.

SIGNYM: “Basically, you've got your collective head stuck up your collective liberal asses.”

SIGNYM: “What a coward. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you start spewing bullshit? You and THUGR, the junior-high bully gang personified. I hope your life is a miserable fucking hell.

SIGNYM: “I DO consider the source, and you're sewer-level. “

SIGNYM: “I don't despise you because you're a useless piece of millenial dreck”

SIGNYM: “The lesson applies to you, you human shitstain. Up the maturity level yourself.”

SIGNYM: “There you are, thread after thread, being the low low-class shithole that you are. I'd wish for you to feel like you had a big old dildo stuck up your ass, except you'd probably enjoy it.”

SIGNYM: “Yanno GSTRING - you piece of used toilet paper - I have NOT YET reached YOUR TOTAL of snark, insults, and trolling that you've managed to put up here in this board.”

SIGNYM: So, KRAP (KPO, I'm calling you KRAP for the time-being, since you always seem to spray the board with scheiss

SIGNYM: “AND THEN YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID AND ASSHOLE”

SIGNYM: “ You're a big juicy asshole…”

SIGNYM: “It's like me calling a whole group of people n!ggers and expecting them to laugh.”

SIGNYM: You're just a whining crybaby, you stupid twit.

Friday, November 11, 2016
SIGNYM: : I TOLD YOU, FROM TUESDAY UNTIL MONDAY, IT'S GOING TO BE NONSTOP TROLLING AND PERSONAL ATTACKS... YANNO, THE THING YOU DEDICATE YOUR LIFE TO.

SIGNYM: “What a coward. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you start spewing bullshit? You and THUGR, the junior-high bully gang personified. I hope your life is a miserable fucking hell.”

SIGNYM: “Most people argue from fear. But when fear drives people to behave like assholes ... well, I hope that's a lesson learned. For them. Except THUGR who was apparently turned into a giant asshole in his young life, and seems incapable of changing his mind on anything.

SIGNYM: “So, speaking of assholes: Where IS that fellow, anyway? I'll bet he was all prepared to start crowing and be an even bigger asshole. and now he's slunk off to his nasty den. I hope he doesn't show his face for quite a while. All I can say is, he better learn how to create a new account and show up under a different name, because out of all of the assholes on this board, he was the nastiest.“

SIGNYM: “So we can expect you to be a complete lying hypocritical know-nothing asswipe, with no respect for facts or the truth, for the foreseeable future. In other words, a butt-hurt crybaby liberaloid troll.”

SIGNYM: “Yes, SECOND, YOU have been a liar and an asshole throughout this whole discussion. It's been pointed out to you- and everybody else- repeatedly.”

SIGNYM: “…the usual miscreants on the board”

SIGNYM: So fuck you and your pretense of speaking for "the world".

SIGNYM: PUT UP OR STFU, YOU NASTY FUCKING LIAR.

SIGNYM: Yep; that's you: EVIDENCE-FREE ACCUSATION is your stock-in-trade. You're a big phat phucking LIAR. You have been since you started posting here. You're a troll and a propagandist, and I wouldn't be surprised if YOU were getting $$$ for your idiot posts.

SIGNYM: You get an award for sticking your head up your ass and firmly keeping it there.

SIGNYM: THUGR IS A DEEP STATE TROLL AND A LIAR

SIGNYM: God, GSTRING, don't you get tired of living in the deep state's anus and then having to defend your lifestyle?

SIGNYM: THUGR you're just a fucking fascist.

SIGNYM: OMFG, I can't believe how stupid you are!!! "Yellow journalism" was in the AMERICAN HISTORY curriculum you fucking moron.

Dream - she ain't who she used to be. I post a lot elsewhere on this board and never any flames, just here. Same for a number of others. I don't think I've ever seen SIGNUTS post outside of RWED. Do the math.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:21 AM

It was always kind of too much troll for Chris. The other day the comment he gave me about it was "Yikes." Niki was not someone I ever warmed to. She posted too much and could give as good as any RWEDer, which led to me autoskipping text in blue to regain any semblence of my own life.

Politics is poisonous, and there's really no reason to consume any amount of it, but certain not to

because it just makes my day worse, and I take it out on everybody else. I find after a good round of feed the troll, I'm up for yelling at anyone, whether they call on the phone, or have the misfortune to run into me somewhere.

So, yes, people figure out that the poison is getting to them and spilling into their lives and they leave, rather than correct the problem.

I def agree on the personal attacks, and it doesn't take a lot, just group all aligned at once. but an unexpected one. If has no effect at all if someone just trolls forever and then they troll.

Personal attacks in general are part of the poison. Just recognizing when the troll is getting angry is a time to back away, before it starts in with those, and then ignoring it when it does. I think it's a self control thing.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 9:22 AM

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Honesty matters to me DT - Guess I'm a simple hick from Hicksville. Character, Honor, etc. I'm not worthy but I aspire to those. Maybe because they have no place in politics, it's why I have so little respect for it.

Me too, which is probably part of why we get along despite disagreeing sometimes

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I see you are determined to tell people how to post. Have at it.

Nope, only lending a hand as to what people will read, or come here for.

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Ex-users and new people actually talked with you about why they don't come here? Really? Boy, that's ... very *interesting.*

Is it? I assumed everyone had a fairly extensive FFF contact list.

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Did they mention SIGNYM by name?

Of course they did. I'd be lying to say no one ever said that, but what does it matter, they say it to her face all the time here. This ain't about singling people out.

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I was a member for 5 years before I even found RWED. 7 years before I posted. Look at the front of the site - it's not even in view. You have to be pretty bored to find it.

People who come here, for a decade or so, are overwhelmingly those who know the site. If they don't, they figure it out pretty quick. Everyone who posted elsewhere posted here, with very few exceptions, and everyone can see that.

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New people aren't coming here to discuss Trump,

They're not coming at all. Old people left. 40 some thousand

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so that assertion is another Dream Myth™ imho.

As long as it's trademarked and doesn't start appearing all over.[/snark]

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I totally agree that the fan base numbers are a determining factor for any reboots, and those numbers aren't effected by RWED in the least, not even a by a niggling jot, less than .0000001 %.

Not so, alas, i checked on fb. we're closer to 5-10% of the fanbase, but we're the most active forum.

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I have no idea what you're talking about with the user Mutt. I do see him in other threads though. Which reminds me: why don't you post in those other threads and stay out of RWED? Or another way to say it: why do you post so much in RWED if you hate it so much?

There's just no traffic anymore there. Everyone hates RWED

Edit: I must have a background process running, every so often, he stops firing, how appropriate.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 9:56 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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We have actually tried the "peace" thing before. Guess who blinked first? - G

You, my friend. But feel free to dredge up that thread, and those posts, to make your point. Links and quotes would be nice.

How's this? We both decide to post "clean" ... no snark, no name-=calling, no personal attacks or insinuations or strawmanning ... and a disinterested third party- say DT - gets to call "FOUL!" on posts which he deems to be out of bounds. That way, neither of us gets to feel butt-hurt because we take offense at something that would be entirely acceptable to anyone else. I exclude THUGR, SECOND, MAL4, and KPO from the list of referees because they're in YOUR little bully-gang which - btw- got sent to troll country, if you recall.

How about DT- do you want to be a moderator?

What about it,G, do you want your posts moderated?

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Monday, March 6, 2017 10:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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We have actually tried the "peace" thing before. Guess who blinked first? - G
You, my friend. But feel free to dredge up that thread, and those posts, to make your point. Links and quotes would be nice.

DT is one of the least disinterested parties here - nice try. Evidence of your lack of honesty.

"bully-gang???" You've started the insults already. I rest my case.

But no links and quotes to back up your smear. Typical.

Okay, how's this?

I'M going to clean up my posts for the next week. Let's see how well YOU do!

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Monday, March 6, 2017 11:36 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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It's from your own post. In this thread. Scroll up. Read your own writing. That you typed. With your computer.

Please check the time-stamps and the sequence of posts. I hadn't agreed to "make peace" yet. You still haven't.

I JUST posted .... just now .... that I will post clean for a week. Will you? Or do you insist on trying to provoke a flame-war?

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Monday, March 6, 2017 11:44 AM

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It's from your own post. In this thread. Scroll up. Read your own writing. That you typed. With your computer.
Please check the time-stamps and the sequence of posts. I hadn't agreed to "make peace" yet. You still haven't.

I JUST posted .... just now .... that I will post clean for a week. Will you? Or do you insist on trying to provoke a flame-war?

SIG, you are a Skunk. You lie and are, let me repeat, are this sites purveyor of fake news. Us continually pointing that out as you post, is why G can list so many times you have lost it and lashed out. There's absolutely no reason to show you respect.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 11:49 AM

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DT is one of the least disinterested parties here - nice try - evidence of your lack of honesty.

Pretty disinterested here, G. I voted for Sanders, and everyone else is looking pretty bad. I'm neutral on Trump, because a) he's president, and thinks very differently from me, so I'm going to give him a chance, and b) he's not really extreme. I think it's just the Hillary crowd throwing a hissy fit over losing the election, Schumer, Soros, the media, etc.

And now they know how the Bernie crowd felt, but Idon't remember rioting over it. Just pretty much don't care at this point, politically. Nothing against Russia either.

pretend this was green

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by G:

DT is one of the least disinterested parties here - nice try - evidence of your lack of honesty.

Pretty disinterested here, G. I voted for Sanders, and everyone else is looking pretty bad. I'm neutral on Trump, because a) he's president, and thinks very differently from me, so I'm going to give him a chance, and b) he's not really extreme. I think it's just the Hillary crowd throwing a hissy fit over losing the election, Schumer, Soros, the media, etc.

And now they know how the Bernie crowd felt, but Idon't remember rioting over it. Just pretty much don't care at this point, politically. Nothing against Russia either.

pretend this was green

I wanted Trump to be successful enough to do a couple things I wanted done. However, he is clearly in over his head and damaging all things American. He is also causing great anxiety amongst our allies. That, and he just accused our former president of commenting a felony. This is based on a Breitbart news article. ( Nuts )

Just letting you know I always get concerned about someone's sincerity or judgement when they are unable to recognize a truth.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:08 PM

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It's from your own post. In this thread. Scroll up. Read your own writing. That you typed. With your computer.
Please check the time-stamps and the sequence of posts. I hadn't agreed to "make peace" yet. You still haven't.

I JUST posted .... just now .... that I will post clean for a week. Will you? Or do you insist on trying to provoke a flame-war?

What a verifiable fraud - you have to be the biggest, fattest, lying-ist piece of sh*t ever to post on this forum.

Ok. Agreed - the clock starts now: 11:45 EST Monday March 6th 2017.

When will she ever learn?

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:11 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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What a verifiable fraud - you have to be the biggest, fattest, lying-ist piece of sh*t ever to post on this forum.

Ok. Agreed - the clock starts now: 11:45 EST Monday March 6th 2017.- G

Hahahaha! Deal, then! Since you don't accept DT as referee, and I doubt you'd accept SIX or KIKI either, and I won't accept anyone in your crowd, I guess we'll just have to referee ourselves.

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Monday, March 6, 2017 12:19 PM

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What a verifiable fraud - you have to be the biggest, fattest, lying-ist piece of sh*t ever to post on this forum.

Ok. Agreed - the clock starts now: 11:45 EST Monday March 6th 2017.- G
Hahahaha! Deal, then! Since you don't accept DT as referee, and I doubt you'd accept SIX or KIKI either, and I won't accept anyone in your crowd, I guess we'll just have to referee ourselves.

Hey,

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Monday, March 6, 2017 5:06 PM

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Jack - I will be sure to mention that you were probably drunk when you posted that Frem was dead and then Frem came back to call you a shithead.

I couldn't put an exact date on it, but I'd say that until 2017, any post I put in here for at least the last 2 years was when I was anywhere between right on the edge of really drunk, or "I can't believe this guy can even find the fucking keyboard" drunk. I probably only remember that I wrote the Frem thread because I vaguely remember him actually posting back about tales of his death being greatly exaggerated, and then talking a bit of what he was doing now. At that point, I don't remember him actually addressing me, but I know I posted back to him there, and I'm sure I posted a bunch of other crazy in some other threads and/or posted a few more of my own then he probably called me a shit head. He was right.

Frem was one of only three people here that I actually cared about more than a screen name and interacted with at all outside of RWED. I screwed all of them up with my drinking.

It really is a Jeckel and Hyde situation. I'm not trying to make excuses because it is nobody's fault but my own, but unless you've ever gone through it you couldn't possibly understand what it is to be a drunk.

I don't want to read any of it, and I'd just ignore anybody digging up any of my old threads. The only thing I can do is apologize for any undeserved things I said about anybody while I was like that. At least I'm pretty confident for the most part that Wish was right and when I posted here drunk it was pretty much just to an audience of myself and really had nothing to do with anybody else here or anything happening in the news.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 6, 2017 6:52 PM

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Naw, pass - I know where you kind heart lies. (figure of speech only).

Oh, I was in no way accepting the position of moderator. First off, no mods, no ops, that was Haken's comment on the subject. I was just responding to the accusation that I was biased or partisan, which I don't think I am.

What happens at times though is that people don't tell the folks on their own side when they step over the line, and instead, just pile on. And then the other side leaves, and we lose browncoats. So, I'd say the restraining of trolls probably should fall first on the people who basically agree with the person trolling's position, and it should be motivated by self preservation: The troll is making your position look bad.

All that said, I have to say to see it, it's the folks in the center who get slaughtered. 6 is closest to the center now, and G, you're probably next. Frem and Chris and 50 other people mentioned in the missing thread were all centrists, to some degree.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 5:11 PM

Frem had weak moments. We all do. There are a number of moderates who when push comes to shove become partisan because for some reason they fear the other side. That said he was an insightful poster with a interesting stories good take on most things. I remember exchanging barbs with him on the salvageability of the Obama admin.

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