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French elections, and France in general
Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:23 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:08 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Saturday, April 22, 2017 4:24 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Saturday, April 22, 2017 5:04 PM
6STRINGJOKER
Quote: The report came just two days after a French jihadist claiming allegiance to the Islamic State (Isil) shot dead a policemen on the Champs Elysées avenue in Paris, bringing election campaigning to an early end and thrusting security issues back to the top of the political agenda. Around 50,000 police officers and 7,000 soldiers will be deployed to protect voters around France on Sunday for the first round, which has turned into a four-way race between Ms Le Pen, Mr Mélenchon, the scandal-scarred conservative François Fillon, and the maverick centrist Emmanuel Macron. An opinion poll conducted on Thursday and Friday showed Ms Le Pen and Mr Macron tied on 23 percent, ahead of Mr Mélenchon with 19.5 per cent and Mr Fillon on 19 per cent.
Saturday, April 22, 2017 5:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Is this a referendum on Trump?
Quote:Presidential election could lead to rioting in French cities, intelligence agencies warn
Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:37 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.
Quote:Originally posted by G: *snort* What the...?? Did you really mean to type that? What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing. ==============================
Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:57 PM
Quote:I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.
Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:04 PM
Quote:Well you've just posted 3 links and are yet to show that he's wrong... -KPO
Quote:François Fillon’s victory over Alain Juppé in the presidential primary of the centre-right Republican Party leaves an avowed friend of Mr Putin as the favourite to occupy the Élysée after next spring’s election. (Mr Fillon’s most serious rival, the nationalist Marine Le Pen, has a yet more marked Moscow tilt.) Mr Fillon’s Russophilia is born of conviction rather than expediency, and he does not hide his views.
Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Well you've just posted 3 links and are yet to show that he's wrong...
Saturday, April 22, 2017 7:27 PM
Quote: France's Election Canceled After Media Crowns Putin Next French Emperor Europe should stop holding elections. Everyone already knows that Putin will win Hey French people — are you excited to go to the polls on Sunday and choose your next president? Of course not. All French citizens with a clue will stay home and count their baguettes, because they know that Vladimir Putin will be their next president. This is what we are being told by our trusted media. And when have they ever been wrong? We rest our case. France concerned over Russian interference in elections amid reports of hacking, fake news https://t.co/P7f2GX0Mpm via @AndrewOReilly84 pic.twitter.com/8otHDtw4Xq — Fox News (@FoxNews) April 21, 2017 "Vladimir Putin’s fortunes may be declining in the United States, but he is still well placed to win big in the French presidential election," writes Quartz, which apparently has double-checked the latest Gallup polls and knows that Putin has the French presidential election in the bag. Here's the thing: Putin was slated to become France's next president months ago. The whole French election, starting with the primaries, has been a giant scam. Again, we know this because our friends at Quartz say so: Why is Europe even holding "elections" anymore? Everyone knows that Putin will win. For example, we keep seeing naive fools on Twitter talk about the so-called UK "general election" in May. Stop wasting your time with these rubber-stamp formalities. Putin will be elected the next Queen of England. And Prime Minister. He will also be crowned the "beef eater" guy with the funny hat who guards London's famous torture tower or whatever. Serious question: Is Europe really this fragile and insecure? One guy can systematically dismember the West's glorious "democratic" institutions? Really makes you think.
Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:18 AM
Quote:I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.- KIKI Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?- GSTRING
Sunday, April 23, 2017 12:42 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, April 23, 2017 2:36 PM
Sunday, April 23, 2017 4:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Is this a referendum on Trump? Doubtful. What I see is an "anti-establishment" vote. France is wracked with all kinds of divisions, just like the USA, and the traditional "establishment" parties don't seem to have cured France's ills. I suppose it depends who you talk to on what people think "the cause" of France's problems are. Some, like le Pen, lay the blame on globalists and their resulting migration crises and globe-spanning system of competition, and would like to w/draw from the EU. Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those. I can't say that I'm all that familiar with the candidates besides Marine le Pen (whom I've listened to two or three times) but I'm sure we'll hear a lot more about the runoff candidates later. Quote:Presidential election could lead to rioting in French cities, intelligence agencies warn Well, we know who France's deep state is NOT rooting for! ----------- "Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:58 PM
Sunday, April 23, 2017 6:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Macron and Le Pen go to the runoff. In that case Macron is predicted to win.
Quote:Russian Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar called on French Jews to leave their country if the far right politician Marine Le Pen is elected president next month.
Sunday, April 23, 2017 7:53 PM
Quote:Well GEEBERS I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39375969 France's Marine Le Pen urges end to Russia sanctions http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161124/NEWS/161129707 1 big difference between French primary candidates: Russia Francois Fillon, who polls suggest is the front-runner, wants to end sanctions against Russia ... http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21711030-fran-ois-fillons-win-bodes-ill-eu-sanctions-frances-election-shows-europes-line-against France’s election shows Europe’s line against Russia is fraying ETA https://en.news-front.info/2017/02/20/french-far-left-candidate-melenchon-presents-e270-billion-spending-plan/
Quote:Originally posted by G: Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?
Sunday, April 23, 2017 9:42 PM
Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:12 PM
Sunday, April 23, 2017 10:45 PM
Monday, April 24, 2017 9:53 AM
Monday, April 24, 2017 9:56 AM
RIVERLOVE
Monday, April 24, 2017 11:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: you are denaive.
Quote:You are just the kind of person Putin has been feasting on.
Quote:He finally figured out that guns and bullets are limited, that's old war. Money - the kind of money someone who owns, say a country, is far more effective in gaining you access and influence in how other countries are run. Use your noggin' one time - we're talking about lifting Russian sanctions as part of the French election conversation. WTF? That doesn't just leap off the page at you? Really? I guess I'm not too surprised.
Monday, April 24, 2017 11:50 AM
Monday, April 24, 2017 12:23 PM
Quote:Holy shit - you just described yourself perfectly!!!!! "Arrogant much?" F8ck, that's all you have most times. In reality, you do want to tell France what to do and then lie about it here, "I just want the French to do what I want them to... oops, er, I mean, *be free* to decide for themselves... as long as they agree with me and that mean help Russia!" Of course Sanctions are on the list - le Pen is in Putin's le Pocket. How much money and other promises did he make her? She'd be stupid to resist after he made Trump president, wouldn't she?
Monday, April 24, 2017 12:29 PM
Quote:No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop.
Quote:If you spent any time with your eyes open you would see the connections between Trump Hillary and Putin are/were numerous - there are no denials.
Monday, April 24, 2017 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by GEBERS: First you quote the bbc and now cnn - is that you kiki? Now you're even being dishonest with yourself. The numbers you quoted (for why?) were for the election that just passed. Between just the 2 the "polling" separation is considerably larger. BUT as we have seen, polling isn't to be trusted, nor are outside influences.
Monday, April 24, 2017 10:10 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: ...contrary to your agenda...
Tuesday, April 25, 2017 10:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Now they've become the "Huh? What?" gang, hiding behind the Cloak of Stoopidity.
Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:35 AM
Wednesday, April 26, 2017 10:34 AM
Quote:No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop. - GSTRING More delusion. - SIGNY Ha! So you just called Jack delusional.- GSTRING
Quote:You also said you agreed with him - even better when it comes from you. Like Dream calling you a troll. The gang that can't keep their lies straight.-
Quote:If you spent any time with your eyes open you would see the connections between Trump Hillary and Putin are/were numerous - there are no denials. Fixed it for you.- SIGNY You mean the connection where he hated her and she was going to start WWIII (according to you)? Again, you can't keep posters here and what they say straight any better than you can keep what you say straight - sad and delusional.- GSTRING
Quote:What? So you don't like being grouped in with people, labeled ? How many times have you done that to me? Called me an SJW, or whatever other BOX you want to put people in because your brain is too lazy to distinguish differences, or give just give a sh*t to understand beyond what vids tell you to think? Have some. - GSTRING
Thursday, April 27, 2017 5:40 AM
Quote:Ha! So you just called Jack delusional. You also said you agreed with him - GSTRING
Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:16 AM
Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:34 AM
Quote:I'm nobody's pet fuckface. - SIX Then stop acting like one, facefuck.- GSTRING
Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: I'm nobody's pet fuckface. Then stop acting like one, facefuck.
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: I'm nobody's pet fuckface.
Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:56 PM
Quote:Le Pen's National Front 'took 5m euros from EU'
Quote:Le Pen Promotes Holocaust Denier and Plans to Ban Kosher Butchers and Yarmulkes ... the revelation that the former associate of her father she put in charge of the party, Jean-François Jalkh, told a scholar in 2000 that he did not accept evidence that the Nazis used the pesticide Zyklon B to murder Jews in the death camps. Jalkh’s comments were published 12 years ago in an academic journal, but not widely known about until a reporter for the Catholic daily La Croix, Laurent de Boissieu, came across them on Tuesday.
Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:06 PM
Saturday, May 6, 2017 1:39 PM
Quote:French candidate Macron claims massive hack as emails leaked By Eric Auchard and Bate Felix | FRANKFURT/PARIS Leading French presidential candidate Emmanuel Macron's campaign said on Friday it had been the target of a "massive" computer hack that dumped its campaign emails online 1-1/2 days before voters choose between the centrist and his far-right rival, Marine Le Pen. Macron, who is seen as the frontrunner in an election billed as the most important in France in decades, extended his lead over Le Pen in polls on Friday. As much as 9 gigabytes of data were posted on a profile called EMLEAKS to Pastebin, a site that allows anonymous document sharing. It was not immediately clear who was responsible for posting the data
Quote:or if any of it was genuine.
Quote:In a statement, Macron's political movement En Marche! (Onwards!) confirmed that it had been hacked. "The En Marche! Movement has been the victim of a massive and co-ordinated hack this evening which has given rise to the diffusion on social media of various internal information," the statement said. An interior ministry official declined to comment, citing French rules that forbid any commentary liable to influence an election, which took effect at midnight on Friday (2200 GMT). The presidential election commission said in statement that it would hold a meeting later on Saturday after Macron's campaign informed it about the hack and publishing of the data. It urged the media to be cautious about publishing details of the emails given that campaigning had ended, and publication could lead to criminal charges. Comments about the email dump began to appear on Friday evening just hours before the official ban on campaigning began. The ban is due to stay in place until the last polling stations close Sunday at 8 p.m. (1800 GMT).
Quote:Opinion polls show independent centrist Macron is set to beat National Front candidate Le Pen in Sunday's second round of voting, in what is seen to be France's most important election in decades. The latest surveys show him winning with about 62 percent of the vote. Former economy minister Macron's campaign has previously complained about attempts to hack its emails, blaming Russian interests in part for the cyber attacks.
Quote:On April 26, the team said it had been the target of a attempts to steal email credentials dating back to January, but that the perpetrators had failed to compromise any campaign data. The Kremlin has denied it was behind any such attacks, even though Macron's camp renewed complaints against Russian media and a hackers' group operating in Ukraine.
Quote:Vitali Kremez, director of research with New York-based cyber intelligence firm Flashpoint, told Reuters his review indicates that APT 28, a group tied to the GRU, the Russian military intelligence directorate, was behind the leak. He cited similarities with U.S. election hacks that have been previously attributed to that group. APT28 last month registered decoy internet addresses to mimic the name of En Marche, which it likely used send tainted emails to hack into the campaign’s computers, Kremez said. Those domains include onedrive-en-marche.fr and mail-en-marche.fr. "If indeed driven by Moscow, this leak appears to be a significant escalation over the previous Russian operations aimed at the U.S. presidential election, expanding the approach and scope of effort from simple espionage efforts towards more direct attempts to sway the outcome," Kremez said. France is the latest nation to see a major election overshadowed by accusations of manipulation through cyber hacking. U.S. intelligence agencies said in January that Russian President Vladimir Putin had ordered hacking of parties tied to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to influence the election on behalf of Republican rival Donald Trump.
Quote:On Friday night as the #Macronleaks hashtag buzzed around social media, Florian Philippot, deputy leader of the National Front, tweeted "Will Macronleaks teach us something that investigative journalism has deliberately killed?" Macron spokesman Sylvain Fort, in a response on Twitter, called Philippot's tweet "vile". En Marche! said the documents only showed the normal functioning of a presidential campaign, but that authentic documents had been mixed on social media with fake ones to sow "doubt and misinformation".
Quote:Ben Nimmo, a UK-based security researcher with the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council think tank, said initial analysis indicated that a group of U.S. far-right online activists were behind early efforts to spread the documents via social media. They were later picked up and promoted by core social media supporters of Le Pen in France, Nimmo said. The leaks emerged on 4chan, a discussion forum popular with far right activists in the United States. An anonymous poster provided links to the documents on Pastebin, saying, "This was passed on to me today so now I am giving it to you, the people."
Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:14 PM
Quote:Emmanuel Macron Elected President Of France With 65% Of The Vote: Live Feed
Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:23 PM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: As expectedQuote:Emmanuel Macron Elected President Of France With 65% Of The Vote: Live Feed People voted for Macron and Le Pen looking for "something different". Macron, however, isn't "different", he's just a new face on an old policy. And of course, he will not solve France's problems by promoting "more of the same" that got them into their mess in the first place. The low turnout is an indication of just how fed up people are. By the next election, people will be boiling.
Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:25 PM
Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I wonder when people will get tired of your fact-free deep state propaganda? And your CONSTANT jonesing for war!
Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:57 PM
Quote: I wonder when people will get tired of your fact-free deep state propaganda? And your CONSTANT jonesing for war! - We don't need to go to war with Russian to put them in their place. Only you think they can go point for point with America, and it would take a war to crush Putin. It won't... They established a no fly zone in Syria. America told Russia to eat shit. We fly BOMB were [sic] we want.- THUGR
Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The low turnout is an indication of just how fed up people are. By the next election, people will be boiling.
Quote: Forbes: Feb 21, 2017 @ 05:55 AM Congratulations To Greece - Venezuela Is Now Reporting On Greek Poverty And Economic Depression There is no doubt, of course, that Greece has been hard done-by over its debt and the economy ransacked as a result ... But regardless of who is to blame for the collapse in living standards, poverty figures from the EU statistics agency are startling. Greece isn't the poorest member of the EU; poverty rates are higher in Bulgaria and Romania. But Greece isn't far behind in third place, with Eurostat data showing 22.2 percent of the population were "severely materially deprived" in 2015. And whereas the figures have dropped sharply in the post-communist Balkan states - by almost a third in Romania's case - the Greek rate has almost doubled since 2008, the year the global crisis erupted. Overall, the EU level fell from 8.5 percent to 8.1 percent over the period.
Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:32 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by G: Macron wins - France wins, the better world wins. Thank you France. ==============================
Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:33 PM
Sunday, May 7, 2017 5:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: Good news
Sunday, May 7, 2017 6:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: I wonder when people will get tired of your fact-free deep state propaganda? And your CONSTANT jonesing for war! - We don't need to go to war with Russian to put them in their place. Only you think they can go point for point with America, and it would take a war to crush Putin. It won't... They established a no fly zone in Syria. America told Russia to eat shit. We fly BOMB were [sic] we want.- THUGR The embodiment of everything wrong with American foreign policy: the desire to be an asshole everywhere in the world. That's you! And I must say, you're doing a damn fine job right here too.
Sunday, May 7, 2017 6:26 PM
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