French elections, and France in general by SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Actually Magons - I have a question for you. And it's a genuine question, despite that it's confrontational.

It's obvious that you pride yourself on being a 'nice', 'concerned' and 'reasonable' person.

My question is - how do you maintain that self-image in the face of all the evidence that 'your side' has killed hundreds of thousands of people and caused untold economic misery for millions more?

So sad

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 6:44 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Actually Magons - I have a question for you. And it's a genuine question, despite that it's confrontational.

It's obvious that you pride yourself on being a 'nice', 'concerned' and 'reasonable' person.

My question is - how do you maintain that self-image in the face of all the evidence that 'your side' has killed hundreds of thousands of people* and caused untold economic misery* for millions more?

*in wars of choice
*via the EM, IMF, World Bank, EU, and trade agreements

Care to try addressing the facts, again?

Or do you shoot nothing but blanks?

Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 6:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Funny how SIG and 1kik1 are sad the angry right fascists didn't win. Hmmm

You mean we support the 'angry right fascists' because were so ... RUSSIAN?
My god, but you're dumber than a pile of shit.

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 7:05 PM

6STRINGJOKER

I for one am happy I was wrong. Merkel is the big fish and getting her out of German politics is much more important than anything that happened in France. Now there will be no "look what is happening in France now" propoganda from her camp come election time, and anything bad that happens under Macron's watch will now be used against Merkel, especially when more immigrant problems happen.

Overall it's a good thing. Even though the hot-shot banker won, France is so sick of the status quo that they threw both of their leading parties under the bus. Le Pen is still young and she's not going anywhere.

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Sunday, May 7, 2017 7:39 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That's certainly one possible outcome. But it doesn't look to be a certainty. Here's the potential problem I see with it.

Economically, Germany is net positive in the EU.

(from http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Intra-EU_t
rade_in_goods_-_recent_trends)

The German economy is doing just fine. And the country hasn't been hit with the largest number of immigrants due to open EU borders.

I think that means that - despite Merkel's obeisance to the US, which might rankle German pride a little - overall the Germans don't seem to be that unhappy with their situation. And I think that - as master of the World Bank and IMF - the US has bought German loyalty with all things NATO and EU. That's why, after being wire-tapped by the NSA, the German government merely pouted - very briefly - as a token of displeasure.

Basically, the US has made sure Germany will benefit economically as member of the EU through the actions of the World Bank and IMF, in return for political obedience. And Germans seem mostly OK with it.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 12:21 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Good news- MAGONS

Yep. If you like McDonalds!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 2:51 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

"Deep State" in France as well? Who knew!? You see I learn something new everyday.
Thanks, Siggy

SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Is this a referendum on Trump?

Doubtful. What I see is an "anti-establishment" vote. France is wracked with all kinds of divisions, just like the USA, and the traditional "establishment" parties don't seem to have cured France's ills.

I suppose it depends who you talk to on what people think "the cause" of France's problems are. Some, like le Pen, lay the blame on globalists and their resulting migration crises and globe-spanning system of competition, and would like to w/draw from the EU. Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

I can't say that I'm all that familiar with the candidates besides Marine le Pen (whom I've listened to two or three times) but I'm sure we'll hear a lot more about the runoff candidates later.

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Presidential election could lead to rioting in French cities, intelligence agencies warn
Well, we know who France's deep state is NOT rooting for!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 2:56 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Vive La France!!!

as "La Marseillaise" plays in the background, Score One for the Good Guys!

SGG

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Originally posted by G:
Macron wins - France wins, the better world wins. Thank you France.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 3:56 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

You think bankers are good guys? Did you learn nothing from 2008?

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Monday, May 8, 2017 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Funny how SIG and 1kik1 are sad the angry right fascists didn't win. Hmmm
You mean we support the 'angry right fascists' because were so ... RUSSIAN?

Yep, that's right. And hey, here's a video for you.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 12:13 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yes, commentary being posted as news. THUGR, will you EVER learn?

In any case, this is about France. KIKI brought up an interesting parallel with Greece. But I would then point to South and Central America, and (eventually Africa) as parallels.

First of all, in answer to KIKI's question about why there aren't demonstrations and riots in Greece against unending "austerity"* - There are, you just don't read about them in the MSM. You have to keep an eye out, or read Greek websites, to know what's going on .... the pro EU press sure isn't going to tell you!

Greek lawmakers vote for austerity as protests turn ugly (5/9/2016)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/europe/greek-debt-crisis-fourth-bailout/

Greeks Protest European Austerity One Year After Showdown With Lenders (7/06/16)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/greeks-protest-austerity-on-refere
ndum-anniversary_us_577d4ec3e4b0344d514d9169

Greek police fire teargas at pensioners during anti-austerity protest (10/3/16)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/03/greek-police-fire-tearga
s-at-pensioners-during-anti-austerity-protest-athens

Refugee children in Greece face protest on first day of school (10/8/17)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37613318

Riots in Athens at Obama's Visit (11/24/16)
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732682/Barack-Obama-Greece-Athens-
riot-protest-Alexis-Tsipras-politics-economy-European-Union

Greeks protest as government, lenders discuss new austerity (3/1/17)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-greece-bailout-review-idUSK
BN1685JB

Greek farmers clash with police in Athens during reforms protest (3/8/17)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-greece-protests-farmers-idU
SKBN16F0VJ

Greece protest over taxes and pensions (5/8/17)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/europe/greek-debt-crisis-fourth-bailout/

This is just a casual search result from MSM reporting. If I were to scour Greek sites, or (better yet) be able to perform a Lexis-Nexus search, I'd probably find a lot more.

The problem with Greece is that there is no unifying party and -especially- no mercenaries or violent subgroups to orchestrate a "color revolution" as in Ukraine.

As far as life under Macron, THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN IN FRANCE, AND IT WILL BE EQUALLY UNDER-REPORTED.

French Activists, Unions Clash With Riot Police In First Anti-Macron Protest
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-08/watch-live-french-activists-u
nions-clash-riot-police-first-anti-macron-protest

* "Austerity" is just a way of bleeding the Greek people to pay German, Dutch, and Finnish banks for the loans that a corrupt Greek government took out. This is no different than imposing "austerity" on Brazilians for the loans that the military government took out, or any of the other austerity measures imposed by the IMF on many places in the world. It is the typical upward-directed money-conveyor that the wealthy get to set up for their own increased wealth and power.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yes, commentary being posted as news. THUGR, will you EVER learn?

Actually SIG, it would be more accurate to ask, will you ever stop lying. I never said it was news and not commentary. I never said anything except, here's a video for you. You suggesting I claimed it was news is the lie.

The only thing achieved with the wild and subjective post that follows your lie, is your exposure as being nuts. Someone with no reading and comprehension skills. Your post is way off the topic of the video and the point it made.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 12:58 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Your post is way off the topic of the video and the point it made.

Actually THUGR, the person who lacks comprehension and reading skills is you.

You posted a video of entirely unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo about RUSSIA.

I MADE ONE COMMENT ABOUT IT, AND THEN INTRODUCED THE CHANGE IN TOPIC BY PREFACING MY POST WITH

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In any case, this is about France.

There is it .... in black and white. Not a video where you might miss a word or phrase, but actual permanent words that you had ample opportunity to read and re-read and to understand what they meant. I mean, dude, if you're going to cast aspersions about lack of comprehension, try not doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Your post is way off the topic of the video and the point it made.
Actually THUGR, the person who lacks comprehension and reading skills is you.

You posted a video of entirely unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo about RUSSIA.

I MADE ONE COMMENT ABOUT IT, AND THEN INTRODUCED THE CHANGE IN TOPIC BY PREFACING MY POST WITH

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In any case, this is about France.
There is it .... in black and white. Not a video where you might miss a word or phrase, but actual permanent words that you had ample opportunity to read and re-read and to understand what they meant.

You were addressing me and started with a lie. It's there for all to see. Then you imply that the video is not about France. Suggesting you will bring the thread back on topic. The commentary includes the opinion that Putin fucked up in a big way. By pissing off the winner of the election by hacking him.

Lies and subterfuge SIG, you're all lies and subterfuge. Lies and deceit used to achieve your goal. The advancement of Putin's agenda. I'd say you are failing miserably, as is Putin. He's put himself into a box. While continuing to do things that are infuriating those outside his realm of influence.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 1:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Your post is way off the topic of the video and the point it made. _THUGR

Actually THUGR, the person who lacks comprehension and reading skills is you.
You posted a video of entirely unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo about RUSSIA.
I MADE ONE COMMENT ABOUT IT, AND THEN INTRODUCED THE CHANGE IN TOPIC BY PREFACING MY POST WITH
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In any case, this is about France.
There is it .... in black and white. Not a video where you might miss a word or phrase, but actual permanent words that you had ample opportunity to read and re-read and to understand what they meant. - SIGNY

You were addressing me and started with a lie. It's there for all to see. Then you imply that the video is not about France. Suggesting you will bring the thread back on topic. The commentary includes the opinion that Putin fucked up in a big way. By pissing off the winner of the election by hacking him.

Lies and subterfuge SIG, you're all lies and subterfuge. Lies and deceit used to achieve your goal. The advancement of Putin's agenda. I'd say you are failing miserably, as is Putin. He's put himself into a box. While continuing to do things that are infuriating those outside his realm of influence.

The video is about Putin ... yanno, the object of your endless man-crush .... and whether or not ("President for life") Putin's (presumed) "interference" in foreign elections makes him the Bond-type villain portrayed in western press, or simply an incompetent meddler who pissed off John McCain and ensured permanent sanctions. It's not about Macron or France's future, or what's going to happen with unemployment, labor law, farmers, immigration, terrorist attacks, and politics IN FRANCE.

I'm not going to provide a transcript detailing exactly how little Macron is part of the video. It's there for everyone to listen to and decide for themselves.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 2:02 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Your post is way off the topic of the video and the point it made.

Actually THUGR, the person who lacks comprehension and reading skills is you.
You posted a video of entirely unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo about RUSSIA.
I MADE ONE COMMENT ABOUT IT, AND THEN INTRODUCED THE CHANGE IN TOPIC BY PREFACING MY POST WITH
Quote:
In any case, this is about France.
There is it .... in black and white. Not a video where you might miss a word or phrase, but actual permanent words that you had ample opportunity to read and re-read and to understand what they meant. - SIGNY

You were addressing me and started with a lie. It's there for all to see. Then you imply that the video is not about France. Suggesting you will bring the thread back on topic. The commentary includes the opinion that Putin fucked up in a big way. By pissing off the winner of the election by hacking him.

Lies and subterfuge SIG, you're all lies and subterfuge. Lies and deceit used to achieve your goal. The advancement of Putin's agenda. I'd say you are failing miserably, as is Putin. He's put himself into a box. While continuing to do things that are infuriating those outside his realm of influence.

Yes, the video is about Putin. Putin and how he interferes with elections. Including the French election. It's also about how stupid a thing that is turning out to be. He's only hurting himself and Russia.

You created this thread. It is about the French election. Putin paid for the losing candidates campaign, gave her millions in loans and hacked the winners campaign. The video is pertinent. Wow SIG, your deflecting away from your own threads topic.

Opps, we see you

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Monday, May 8, 2017 2:07 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Yes, the video is about Putin.

The video is about Putin. Not France. Not Macron. Glad we agree. That is why I signaled a change in topic.

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Putin paid for the losing candidates campaign, gave her millions in loans and hacked the winners campaign.

This is where you fail to differentiate between fact and opinion, which is exactly why I said that you posted the commentary video as fact. Thanks for validating my idea that you confuse opinion with fact.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 2:15 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Yes, the video is about Putin.
The video is about Putin. Not France. Not Macron. Glad we agree.

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Putin paid for the losing candidates campaign, gave her millions in loans and hacked the winners campaign.
This is where you fail to differentiate between fact and opinion, which is exactly why I said that you posted the commentary video as fact. Thanks for validating my idea that you confuse opinion with fact.

I had it wrong. Russian sympathizer is not your primary distinction. Loser, yep loser is your primary distinction. Again you post a lie. We don't agree. And then there's this.

MOSCOW — Russian interference in the American elections last year was downright subtle compared to what we’ve seen this week in the run-up to French presidential elections. Russia’s Putin Picks Le Pen to Rule France.

The French news magazine L’Express was quick to note the anomaly as well, calling it “altogether exceptional” that Putin would receive a presidential candidate so close to an election.

In 2014, when Le Pen’s National Front Party could not secure any loans from French banks, she turned to Russia and received millions of dollars from a now defunct institution there. Putin, at the same time, received endorsement from her party for his takeover of Crimea. She has consistently blamed Washington for starting the new “cold war.” So it was widely assumed that Le Pen was in Moscow Friday as a loyal ally looking for more funding.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/24/russia-s-putin-picks-
le-pen-to-rule-france

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Monday, May 8, 2017 3:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Look at the Icelandic response to financial collapse.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 3:53 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by G:
I don't think there's a bankruptcy option for countries.

There's the default option.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 4:03 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Here's the Iceland solution - which involves making those PRIVATE banks pay the price of failure in capitalism, instead of endless government bailouts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932011_Icelandic_financial_cr
isis

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Monday, May 8, 2017 4:49 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

There is also the concept of "odious debt".

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 5:09 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

GEEBERS - just pointing out YOUR VERY FIRST POST in this thread.
Apparently, you're a rabid troller with absolutely no self-control.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:27 PM
Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

*snort* What the...?? Did you really mean to type that? What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 5:11 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

AND THEN YOU DOUBLED DOWN.

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 1kiki: Well GEEBERS

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.

Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?

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Monday, May 8, 2017 5:12 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

TRIPLED DOWN

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.- KIKI
Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?- GSTRING
Yes, the difference is that we (KIKI and I) believe that French citizens should be able to decide what their nation's goals are by themselves, while YOU have the unmitigated gall to judge them from afar on who YOU think is "loyal" (to the causes that YOU espouse) and who YOU think isn't.

So, if they're not sufficiently "loyal" (to you and your goals) in sufficient numbers, what are you going to do? Bomb them? Or will you be content to just call them all traitors to your cause?

I can bomb them??? Holy... how do I do that?

Because I'm sure the answer will be amusing: What "goals" have you made up for me this time? Dismembering babies? Eating gold? Poring oil into the Atlantic? Toilet paper under Trump's shoe?
What will your fevered brain make up this time...

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Monday, May 8, 2017 5:27 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

HEY GEEBERS

This is every single post after those first three from page 1 - without exception

I'm beginning to see a pattern here ...

You're a jackass. Oh, and a troll.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 AM
Holy shit - you just described yourself perfectly!!!!! "Arrogant much?" F8ck, that's all you have most times.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 10:09 AM
you are denaive.
You are just the kind of person Putin has been feasting on.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 10:15 AM
Again! You nailed yourself! And that would make Putin... a Welsh shepherd! OMG!

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Monday, April 24, 2017 12:18 PM
Now you're even being dishonest with yourself.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 12:27 PM
You need a lot of hand holding:
Humor demuch?
No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop.
You and the harpies will just deny anything that you don't want to believe or that goes contrary to your agenda, so any conversation with facts is meaningless. You because you just don't want to be bothered with just about anything (other than YouTube), and the twins because they are too busy riding the Trump/Ruski bandwagon.

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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:45 AM
The gang that can't keep their lies straight.
it's why you are such a #PutinFanGirl

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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:40 AM
Now they've become the "Huh? What?" gang, hiding behind the Cloak of Stoopidity.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:15 AM
your brain is too lazy to distinguish differences, or give just give a sh*t to understand beyond what vids tell you to think

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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:48 PM
I'll keep it simple for you and have you just explain that total brain fart to start with.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:33 AM
"Honesty" in any of it's many forms, is the one thing you do not have.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:22 AM
Then stop acting like one, facefuck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 5:48 PM

It's funny watching SIG and 1kiki trying to validate there presence here, as being honest brokers of truth. That they are anything other than what the breadth of their posts exposes about them. That they are trolls who attack the fundamental, and primary principle on which democracy is based.

Hey SIG, 1KIKI

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Monday, May 8, 2017 6:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

GEEBERS - just pointing out YOUR VERY FIRST POST in this thread.
Apparently, you're a rabid troller with absolutely no self-control.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:27 PM
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

*snort* What the...?? Did you really mean to type that? What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 6:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

AND THEN YOU DOUBLED DOWN.

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 1kiki: Well GEEBERS

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.

Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?

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Monday, May 8, 2017 6:03 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

TRIPLED DOWN

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.- KIKI
Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?- GSTRING
Yes, the difference is that we (KIKI and I) believe that French citizens should be able to decide what their nation's goals are by themselves, while YOU have the unmitigated gall to judge them from afar on who YOU think is "loyal" (to the causes that YOU espouse) and who YOU think isn't.

So, if they're not sufficiently "loyal" (to you and your goals) in sufficient numbers, what are you going to do? Bomb them? Or will you be content to just call them all traitors to your cause?

I can bomb them??? Holy... how do I do that?

Because I'm sure the answer will be amusing: What "goals" have you made up for me this time? Dismembering babies? Eating gold? Poring oil into the Atlantic? Toilet paper under Trump's shoe?
What will your fevered brain make up this time...

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Monday, May 8, 2017 6:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

HEY GEEBERS

This is every single post after those first three from page 1 - without exception

I'm beginning to see a pattern here ...

You're a jackass. Oh, and a troll.

Quote:
Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 AM
Holy shit - you just described yourself perfectly!!!!! "Arrogant much?" F8ck, that's all you have most times.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 10:09 AM
you are denaive.
You are just the kind of person Putin has been feasting on.

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Monday, April 24, 2017 10:15 AM
Again! You nailed yourself! And that would make Putin... a Welsh shepherd! OMG!

Quote:

Monday, April 24, 2017 12:18 PM
Now you're even being dishonest with yourself.

Quote:

Monday, April 24, 2017 12:27 PM
You need a lot of hand holding:
Humor demuch?
No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop.
You and the harpies will just deny anything that you don't want to believe or that goes contrary to your agenda, so any conversation with facts is meaningless. You because you just don't want to be bothered with just about anything (other than YouTube), and the twins because they are too busy riding the Trump/Ruski bandwagon.

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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:45 AM
The gang that can't keep their lies straight.
it's why you are such a #PutinFanGirl

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Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:40 AM
Now they've become the "Huh? What?" gang, hiding behind the Cloak of Stoopidity.

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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:15 AM
your brain is too lazy to distinguish differences, or give just give a sh*t to understand beyond what vids tell you to think

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Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:48 PM
I'll keep it simple for you and have you just explain that total brain fart to start with.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:33 AM
"Honesty" in any of it's many forms, is the one thing you do not have.

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Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:22 AM
Then stop acting like one, facefuck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 6:36 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Fortunately KIKI your post landed right on top of page three. The first thing that most people will see, until we get to page four, and a great exposition of G's posting behavior.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 6:42 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Which I will keep reposting should anyone attempt to deflect blame from GEEBERS.
Blame belongs with GEEBERS.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 6:55 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's funny watching SIG and 1kiki trying to validate their presence here, as being honest brokers of truth. That they are anything other than what the breadth of their posts exposes about them. That they are trolls who attack the fundamental, and primary principle on which democracy is based.

Hey SIG, 1KIKI

You can't hide from the truth. You can't bury it. It will always be there staring you in the face.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 7:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

GEEBERS - just pointing out YOUR VERY FIRST POST in this thread.
Apparently, you're a rabid troller with absolutely no self-control.

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Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:27 PM
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

*snort* What the...?? Did you really mean to type that? What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.

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AND THEN YOU DOUBLED DOWN.

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki: Well GEEBERS

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.

Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?

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TRIPLED DOWN

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.- KIKI
Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?- GSTRING
Yes, the difference is that we (KIKI and I) believe that French citizens should be able to decide what their nation's goals are by themselves, while YOU have the unmitigated gall to judge them from afar on who YOU think is "loyal" (to the causes that YOU espouse) and who YOU think isn't.

So, if they're not sufficiently "loyal" (to you and your goals) in sufficient numbers, what are you going to do? Bomb them? Or will you be content to just call them all traitors to your cause?

I can bomb them??? Holy... how do I do that?

Because I'm sure the answer will be amusing: What "goals" have you made up for me this time? Dismembering babies? Eating gold? Poring oil into the Atlantic? Toilet paper under Trump's shoe?
What will your fevered brain make up this time...

==============================

HEY GEEBERS

This is every single post after those first three from page 1 - without exception

I'm beginning to see a pattern here ...

You're a jackass. Oh, and a troll.

Quote:
Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 AM
Holy shit - you just described yourself perfectly!!!!! "Arrogant much?" F8ck, that's all you have most times.

Quote:
Monday, April 24, 2017 10:09 AM
you are denaive.
You are just the kind of person Putin has been feasting on.

Quote:
Monday, April 24, 2017 10:15 AM
Again! You nailed yourself! And that would make Putin... a Welsh shepherd! OMG!

Quote:

Monday, April 24, 2017 12:18 PM
Now you're even being dishonest with yourself.

Quote:

Monday, April 24, 2017 12:27 PM
You need a lot of hand holding:
Humor demuch?
No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop.
You and the harpies will just deny anything that you don't want to believe or that goes contrary to your agenda, so any conversation with facts is meaningless. You because you just don't want to be bothered with just about anything (other than YouTube), and the twins because they are too busy riding the Trump/Ruski bandwagon.

Quote:
Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:45 AM
The gang that can't keep their lies straight.
it's why you are such a #PutinFanGirl

Quote:
Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:40 AM
Now they've become the "Huh? What?" gang, hiding behind the Cloak of Stoopidity.

Quote:
Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:15 AM
your brain is too lazy to distinguish differences, or give just give a sh*t to understand beyond what vids tell you to think

Quote:
Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:48 PM
I'll keep it simple for you and have you just explain that total brain fart to start with.

Quote:
Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:33 AM
"Honesty" in any of it's many forms, is the one thing you do not have.

Quote:
Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:22 AM
Then stop acting like one, facefuck.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 7:12 PM

Anyone else notice 1kiki seems a bit traumatized? She keeps reposting the same thing.

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Monday, May 8, 2017 9:35 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

GEEBERS - just pointing out YOUR VERY FIRST POST in this thread.
Apparently, you're a rabid troller with absolutely no self-control.

Quote:
Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:27 PM
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Others see the problem as "sanctions against Russia" and would like to end those.

*snort* What the...?? Did you really mean to type that? What loyal French man or women thinks that?? I think part of your brain is missing.

==============================

AND THEN YOU DOUBLED DOWN.

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki: Well GEEBERS

I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.

Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?

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Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
I see you just CAN'T resist trolling, even though you're wrong - yet again.- KIKI
Poor, slow Kiki. I see you just can't resist embarrassing yourself. I said "loyal" French man or woman, not "Putin nut polisher," like you and Sigheil. See la difference?- GSTRING
Yes, the difference is that we (KIKI and I) believe that French citizens should be able to decide what their nation's goals are by themselves, while YOU have the unmitigated gall to judge them from afar on who YOU think is "loyal" (to the causes that YOU espouse) and who YOU think isn't.

So, if they're not sufficiently "loyal" (to you and your goals) in sufficient numbers, what are you going to do? Bomb them? Or will you be content to just call them all traitors to your cause?

I can bomb them??? Holy... how do I do that?

Because I'm sure the answer will be amusing: What "goals" have you made up for me this time? Dismembering babies? Eating gold? Poring oil into the Atlantic? Toilet paper under Trump's shoe?
What will your fevered brain make up this time...

==============================

HEY GEEBERS

This is every single post after those first three from page 1 - without exception

I'm beginning to see a pattern here ...

You're a jackass. Oh, and a troll.

Quote:
Monday, April 24, 2017 8:22 AM
Holy shit - you just described yourself perfectly!!!!! "Arrogant much?" F8ck, that's all you have most times.

Quote:
Monday, April 24, 2017 10:09 AM
you are denaive.
You are just the kind of person Putin has been feasting on.

Quote:
Monday, April 24, 2017 10:15 AM
Again! You nailed yourself! And that would make Putin... a Welsh shepherd! OMG!

Quote:

Monday, April 24, 2017 12:18 PM
Now you're even being dishonest with yourself.

Quote:

Monday, April 24, 2017 12:27 PM
You need a lot of hand holding:
Humor demuch?
No, the kind who voted for Trump because (amongst many idiotic things) they actually believed Hillary was a pedophile working out of a pizza shop.
You and the harpies will just deny anything that you don't want to believe or that goes contrary to your agenda, so any conversation with facts is meaningless. You because you just don't want to be bothered with just about anything (other than YouTube), and the twins because they are too busy riding the Trump/Ruski bandwagon.

Quote:
Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:45 AM
The gang that can't keep their lies straight.
it's why you are such a #PutinFanGirl

Quote:
Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:40 AM
Now they've become the "Huh? What?" gang, hiding behind the Cloak of Stoopidity.

Quote:
Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:15 AM
your brain is too lazy to distinguish differences, or give just give a sh*t to understand beyond what vids tell you to think

Quote:
Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:48 PM
I'll keep it simple for you and have you just explain that total brain fart to start with.

Quote:
Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:33 AM
"Honesty" in any of it's many forms, is the one thing you do not have.

Quote:
Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:22 AM
Then stop acting like one, facefuck.

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Tuesday, May 9, 2017 12:19 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Anyone else notice 1kiki seems a bit traumatized? She keeps reposting the same thing. - THUGR

She doesn't, but you do. You just can't quit "Putin", can you?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:15 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

There was actually an interesting discussion going on, which was

Quote:
"Austerity" is just a way of bleeding the Greek people to pay German, Dutch, and Finnish banks for the loans that a corrupt Greek government took out. This is no different than imposing "austerity" on Brazilians for the loans that the military government took out, or any of the other austerity measures imposed by the IMF on many places in the world. It is the typical upward-directed money-conveyor that the wealthy get to set up for their own increased wealth and power. - SIGNY

Honest question: how should those loans be repaid? Without a doubt, this is one of the worst things that can happen to a people, a nightmare scenario, having their government be so corrupt or inept that they rack up huge debt they cannot pay themselves. But if they cannot pay, then whom? Where does that responsibility lie? Were there other viable options? I don't think there's a bankruptcy option for countries. - G

Look at the Icelandic response to financial collapse.- SIGNY

There's the default option. - KIKI
Here's the Iceland solution - which involves making those PRIVATE banks pay the price of failure in capitalism, instead of endless government bailouts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932011_Icelandic_financial_cr
isis

There is also the concept of "odious debt". - SIGNY

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Tuesday, May 9, 2017 7:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So the first question is not whether there are mechanisms for a nation to repudiate sovereign debt .... there are several .... but whether or not nations SHOULD be able to default, from either moral or practical considerations.

Part of the answer lies with the nature of a loan. One of the reasons why lenders charge the interest that they do is to mitigate RISK. What is that risk??? Well, it's the risk of not being paid back. As far as I can tell, there is NO SUCH THING AS A RISK-FREE LOAN. I know the ECB, IMF, and EC (Troika) have written the rules to make their loans risk-free but that's as much of a distortion as making loans obligation-free. If the initial terms of the loans weren't sufficient for the lenders at the time (not enough collateral for example) revising the rules after-the-fact is cheating. If the lenders didn't perform their due diligence to ensure that the borrower was financially sound-enough to pay back the loan, that's still their problem.

What the Troika is insisting on is that the Greek government TAKE OUT MORE LOANS TO PAY BACK THE OLD ONES. What does that remind you of? Loan sharking???

Fin Min Varoufakis was actually willing to default, EVEN WITH the attendant difficulties of having to quit the Euro currency and go back to the drachma (which I think is a sufficiently high barrier to prevent casual default). But PM Tsipras pretty much stabbed his supporters in the back by conceding to new Troika loans on even worse terms.

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Just in case you think this is a tragic but irrelevant case of corrupt governments sticking their population with unpayable debt .... just imagine where the USA is with its trade, public, and private debt. We have peddled out asses... er, assets ... and owe everybody everything. So far, the institutions that have lent us money are willing to take "dollars" for payment, but if "dollars" should devalue, what will the collection procedure be?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Tuesday, May 9, 2017 8:56 AM

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Tuesday, May 9, 2017 9:43 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Varoufakis was actually willing to default, EVEN WITH the attendant difficulties of having to quit the Euro currency and go back to the drachma (which I think is a sufficiently high barrier to prevent casual default). But PM Tsipras pretty much stabbed his supporters in the back by conceding to new Troika loans on even worse terms.

There are much worse things than new loans. There are reasons to believe that if Greece had defaulted on its loans and left the euro, the Greek generals would have overthrown the government and brought back a dictatorship.

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I continue to believe Tsipras was right to climb down in the face of the EU’s ultimatum, and that Varoufakis was at fault for the way he designed the “game” strategy. For Tsipras – and for the older generation of former detainees and torture victims who rebuilt the Greek left after 1974 – staying in power as a dented shield against austerity was preferable to handing power back to a bunch of political mafiosi backed by a mob of baying rich-kid fashionistas.

www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/03/yanis-varoufakis-greece-greatest
-political-memoir

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:59 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Thanks Kiki for repeating some of my best, most insightful lines. It looks like you think when someone disagrees with you that makes them a troll? If you do I disagree with that. - GSTRING

GSTRING, if you don't know the difference between personally attacking someone (i.e. calling them names) and "disagreeing with them" I'll give you can example:

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DISAGREEMENT
G, there's large difference between disagreeing with someone versus personally attacking someone. When you disagree with someone you bring a different perspective to the discussion, but the focus remains on the topic. From your "most insightful lines" I can't even figure out what the disagreement might be about - clearly you've strayed far off-topic. No judge of debate or rhetoric would classify your quotes as anything resembling "disagreement".

PERSONAL ATTACK
Hey, you fucking moron, I can't believe there is anyone so morally bankrupt, dishonest, immature, mentally lazy, or evil as to pretend that calling someone a series of names is "disagreeing with" them. But I guess that anyone who would vote for Hillary would be like that! If you think that anyone here believes that, you're lying to yourself. So I'll keep it simple for you: here's an example that anyone with a half a brain should be able to understand. Now we get to see if you can stop acting like you have even less that half a brain, facefuck. Yanno, at least you get to go online and waste your time in your nice cushy office while getting paid for it, you brainless parasite. So get off the computer and get back to work.
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RU feeling the difference?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.

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Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:56 PM

Progressive Moon Jae-in elected South Korea president

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Wednesday, May 10, 2017 3:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

You have me at a disadvantage kiki.

Hmmmmm, let's see now...Trump did promise to "drain the swamp" didn't he?
So he fills his cabinet with Disney characters to help "drain" the country:

Tillerson
Mnuchin
Mattis
Sessions
Zinke
Perdue
Ross
Acosta
Price
Carson
Chao
Perry
DeVos
Shulkin
Kelly
Pompeo
Haley
Pruitt
McMahon
Mulvaney
Coats
Lighthizer
Hassett

And his gang of Good Samaritans:

Preibus, Bannon, Kushner, Bossert, Conway, Icahn, McGahn, Navarro, Spicer, McMaster,
Flynn and Puzder

What an amazing crew!

Need I say more. A veritable who's who of public conniving and corruption. Business
as usual, a changing of the guard in rampant "swampness."

SGG

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You think bankers are good guys? Did you learn nothing from 2008?

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Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:05 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Vive La jihad!

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Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:08 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Hackers came but the French were prepared:

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The National Security Agency in Washington picked up the signs. So did Emmanuel Macron’s bare-bones technology team. And mindful of what happened in the American presidential campaign, the team created dozens of false email accounts, complete with phony documents, to confuse the attackers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/world/europe/hackers-came-but-the-f
rench-were-prepared.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Macron 1, Russia 0.

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Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521

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