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The future of Islam

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I snipped this out of an email sent to me. The full article can be found on the Unz review

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The struggle for the future of Islam

The Islamic world is facing an immense challenge which is threatening its very identity and future: the Wahabi-Takfiri ideology. That ideology, by its very nature, represents a mortal threat to any other form of Islam and a moral threat, literally, to every non-Takfiri Muslim living on the planet. The Takfiri ideology also represents a real existential threat to all of mankind, very much including Russia and Russia cannot simply sit back and wait to see who of the AngloZionist West or the wannabe Caliphate of Daesh will prevail, especially since the two are also locked in a weird symbiotic relationship between the western deep state and special services and the Takfiri leaders. Furthermore, assuming the West is willing to seriously fight terrorism (and so far there is no sign of that whatsoever) it is also obvious that Europe is useless in this struggle (due to an acute lack of brain, spine and other body parts) and that the USA, being protected by large oceans, are not facing the same threat as the states of the Eurasian landmass. Russia therefore has to act on her own, and very forcibly.

Russia only has an observer status in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) due to the fact that she is not a majority Muslim country. [But] Russia is also a member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) which brings together China, Kazakhstan , Kyrgyzstan , Russia , Tajikistan , Uzbekistan , India and Pakistan. Let’s look at the approximate number of Muslims in the SCO countries: China 40’000’000 , Kazakhstan 9’000’000, Kyrgyzstan 5’000’000, Russia 10’000’000, Tajikistan 6’000’000 , Uzbekistan 26’000’000, India 180’000’000, Pakistan 195’000’000. That’s a grand total of 471 million Muslims. Add to this figure the 75’000’000 Iranians which will join the SCO in the near future (bringing the grand total to 546’000’000) and you will see this stunning contrast: while the West has more or less declared war on 1.8 billion Muslims, Russia has quietly forged an alliance with just over half a billion Muslims!

This is not a struggle which will be determined by military means. Yes, being willing and capable of killing Takfiris is important, and Russia can do that, but at the end of the day it is the Takfiri ideology which must be defeated and this is where the Russian Muslims will play an absolutely crucial role in the struggle for the future of Islam. Their status as a minority in Russia actually serves to protect Russian Muslims simply because there is absolutely no possibility whatsoever for any type of Wahabi Islam to gain enough traction in Russia to threaten the state. If anything, the two wars in Chechnia are the best proof that even in the worst possible conditions Russians will always hit back and very hard at any attempt to create a Wahabi state inside, or next to, Russia. President Putin often says that Russia has to sent her forces to fight in Syria not only to save Syria, but also to kill the many thousands of Russian citizens who are currently in the ranks of Daesh before they come back home: better to fight them there than to fight them here. True. But that also means that Russia will have to take the ideological fight to the rest of the Islamic world and use her influence to support the anti-Takfiri forces currently struggling against Daesh & Co worldwide.

The future of Russia and the Muslim world are now deeply intertwined which, considering the current disastrous dynamic between the West and the Muslim world, this is a good thing for everybody. While the leaders of the AngloZionist Empire are using both Russia and the Muslim world as bogeymen to scare their subjects into submission to the international plutocracy, Russia will have to become the place where the Islamophobic myths will debunked and a different, truly multi-cultural, multi-religious and multi-ethnic civilizational model offered as an alternative to the monolithic Hegemony dominating the world today.


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:40 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Did you see the opening ceremony of the Confederations Cup? Did you see the McDonald's advertising boards? Did you see Puitn speak to the crowd? He was nervous, stuttered a few times - I was a bit surprised for someone with his speaking pedigree. This was a big deal to him. Some times I see the small town country boy in him. His petty jealousy of the West is the the same I see of my country cousins when they come and visit the "big city." He still wants to be one of the cool kids.- GSTRING
what the hell does this have to do with the future of Islam?

Yanno, India and Pakistan just joined the SCO. Despite being enemies, they are now part of a mutual defense agreement, along with Russia and China.

The West needs to find a better, constructive way of getting along with Islam. Something that DOESN'T involve pandering to Saudi Wahhabism/ terrorism in deference to the petrodollar.

What pathway should that be?


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:48 AM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by G:
He still wants to be one of the cool kids.



You're not a kid any more
You're not a kid any more

When people ask of me
What would you like to be
Now that you're not a kid any more.

I know just what to say
I answer right away
There's just one thing I've been wishing for.

I wanna be Vladi's girl
I wanna be Vladi's girl


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 9:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What the hell does THAT have to do with the future of Islam?

Yanno, India and Pakistan just joined the SCO. Despite being enemies, they are now part of a mutual defense agreement, along with Russia and China.

The West needs to find a better, constructive way of getting along with Islam. Something that DOESN'T involve pandering to Saudi Wahhabism/ terrorism in deference to the petrodollar.

What pathway should that be?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:00 AM

RIVERLOVE


Vladi Angel


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


What the hell does THAT have to do with the future of Islam?

Yanno, India and Pakistan just joined the SCO. Despite being enemies, they are now part of a mutual defense agreement, along with Russia and China.

The West needs to find a better, constructive way of getting along with Islam. Something that DOESN'T involve pandering to Saudi Wahhabism/ terrorism in deference to the petrodollar.

What pathway should that be?

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one



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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:19 AM

RIVERLOVE


Somebody told me that his name was Vladimir ....


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:20 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


NICE MUSIC, RIVERLOVE BUT

What the hell does THAT have to do with the future of Islam?

Yanno, India and Pakistan just joined the SCO. Despite being enemies, they are now part of a mutual defense agreement, along with Russia and China.

The West needs to find a better, constructive way of getting along with Islam. Something that DOESN'T involve pandering to Saudi Wahhabism/ terrorism in deference to the petrodollar.

What pathway should that be?

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 3:36 PM

6STRINGJOKER


The only future of Islam that is acceptable is if they STFU and become just as docile and meek as the Christians have in this age of Secularism in the US.

There is no room for "God" outside of church in modern society.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 4:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, surely there are "Islamic nations" just as there are "Christian nations" which will be allowed to exist, as long as they don't violently spread their idiocy beyond their borders?

I realize that will lead to a lot of uncomfortable encounters with nations that practice barbaric rituals, such as death by stoning or genital mutilation, but we seem to get along with Saudi Arabia just fine, so ....

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 5:52 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


I used to be far more left and let's say mufti-cultural Liberal until I spoke with Arab Apostates and others

I am now of 3 possible opinions

1 Reform it, this probably needs to come from within not sure who they are Tarek Fatah, Ayan Hirsi Alli ?
2
Quarantine it or Contain it, Leave islam stay in Saudi Arabia and Iran...everywhere else it must be vaccinated against and removed
3
Destroy it. Why do the Greeks no longer go to War over some insulting Zeus, why do Japanese no Longer fanatically Worship a Kamikaze, Sungod and Shinto Deity, and see the Emperor as a 'God'. By Destroy I don't mean killing anyone it can be defeated through education and mockery, knock their jihad temples and make a cartoon out of their extremism for example South Park etc

or a combo of all 3


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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:17 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I hope the SJW clowns and you ' love on each other' types are the first to go when things get bad and Muzzies are taking over the world.

Won't affect me none, as I'll be laughing from afar.



Folks. Religion is a damn cult. There ought not be any 'future' of Islam. Period.

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Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I hope the SJW clowns and you ' love on each other' types are the first to go when things get bad and Muzzies are taking over the world.

Won't affect me none, as I'll be laughing from afar.



Folks. Religion is a damn cult. There ought not be any 'future' of Islam. Period.

I agree. Religion is worse than pointless, it's downright harmful. But then, what are you going to do about it? Bomb every nation that claims Islam as its religion? Then continue on with the Hindus?

In that case, we would be just as bad as the Wahhabists.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:26 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree. Religion is worse than pointless, it's downright harmful. But then, what are you going to do about it? Bomb every nation that claims Islam as its religion? Then continue on with the Hindus?

In that case, we would be just as bad as the Wahhabists.



No... but I do agree with what Jayneztown said here:

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Destroy it. Why do the Greeks no longer go to War over some insulting Zeus, why do Japanese no Longer fanatically Worship a Kamikaze, Sungod and Shinto Deity, and see the Emperor as a 'God'. By Destroy I don't mean killing anyone it can be defeated through education and mockery, knock their jihad temples and make a cartoon out of their extremism for example South Park etc



This is what I said in the thread about the London Bridge incident.

For once in 8 years we're finally calling Islam out on its bullshit and not being afraid of linking these terrible acts with the religion of Islam.

I said in that thread we need to go after Islam 100% with satire and show the world what a flawed and dangerous ideology it is, and shame it every single day.

When we single out Islam as off limits, all we are doing is feeding the egos of those who would do these terrible acts in the name of their "God" and proving to them that they are right and that their religion is above approach because their "God" wills it.


When I brought this same idea up a few weeks ago it was dismissed as racist or some other shit by the usual suspects in here.

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Thursday, June 22, 2017 2:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I guess I would take a different approach.

Generally, I don't believe in violence, but I sure do believe in self-defense. When there's an identifiable group whose stated aim it to start killing people, Well then, you're justified in killing them right back. (You just have to be careful not to fall into the category of being the aggressor who starts it all.)

So, IMHO, you stop funding these fucking religious nut-jobs and stop using them as proxies in your wars against whoever, and you start going after them with hammer and tongs. Between their funding and weapons supplies drying up, and the added pressure of having to defend themselves across numerous fronts, being a Wahhabist nut-job stops being so glamorous.

If you find terrorists and people who harbor them in your own country, you either (1) throw them back to the country they came from (If they're immigrants) or (2) toss their asses in jail for life. or until they see the light, whichever comes first.

I really don't believe in being soft on terrorists.

OTOH, I sure don't believe in "going after" someone in their own country just because they don't believe what I believe. We tried that a few times already (Well, that's what we were convinced of...) and it didn't turn out so well for us.

So we'll have to construct a response to other nations that we might find morally repugnant, ASIDE from bombing them back to the stone age. We could simply decide not to trade with them. Or we could seek to materially improve conditions there by providing aid. Or we could tariff a nation's goods based on their human rights record: 5% tariff for having less than 85% female literacy rate, another 5% tariff for not having certifiable elections, another 5% for having a GINI greater than 0.35 etc ... yanno, whatever we decide is important.

But we have to get past the idea that being morally superior allows us to interfere with another nation's internal affairs.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, June 22, 2017 4:46 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


I thought for a moment this might be an interesting thread about Islam and Islamic society, delving into theology, sociology and history.

But no, it's all about Russia.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Thursday, June 22, 2017 4:57 AM

6STRINGJOKER


If you say so.

I have no interest in learning anything about the cult of Islam.

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Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:53 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Seems like the thread did manage to escape its framing to, lo and behold, actually talk about Islam.

-------------------------------------------------------

"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."

Russia's and Assad's War Crimes in Syria - http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60278
Evidence the Syrian regime sponsors ISIS - http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60521


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Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:35 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I hope the SJW clowns and you ' love on each other' types are the first to go when things get bad and Muzzies are taking over the world.

Won't affect me none, as I'll be laughing from afar.



Folks. Religion is a damn cult. There ought not be any 'future' of Islam. Period.

I agree. Religion is worse than pointless, it's downright harmful. But then, what are you going to do about it? Bomb every nation that claims Islam as its religion? Then continue on with the Hindus?

In that case, we would be just as bad as the Wahhabists.



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Sorry, I disagree. Rejecting a cult does not make one " as bad as " them. And who said anything about bombing every Muslim country ? No one.

Although I do like the Reaganesque like tone of your comment, about passing a bill outlawing Islam... " we begin bombing in 5 minutes ".


And last time I checked, it wasn't Hindus who were coming over and trying to install their cult like social / religious views onto other countries. Anyone who wants to bang their heads on prayer rugs 5x a day, treat women like cattle,and toss gays from atop buildings , more power to ya. But keep that shit out of my country. ( Especially the latter two things. Pray to your imaginary god, for all I care. )

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Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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I hope the SJW clowns and you ' love on each other' types are the first to go when things get bad and Muzzies are taking over the world.
I hope you're not talking to me.

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Folks. Religion is a damn cult. There ought not be any 'future' of Islam. Period. - RAPPY

I agree. Religion is worse than pointless, it's downright harmful. But then, what are you going to do about it? Bomb every nation that claims Islam as its religion? Then continue on with the Hindus?
In that case, we would be just as bad as the Wahhabists. - SIGNY

Sorry, I disagree. Rejecting a cult does not make one " as bad as " them. -RAPPY

Of course, personally rejecting a cult does not make one as bad as a cultist.

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And who said anything about bombing every Muslim country ? No one.- RAPPY
You're right, you didn't. My question tho was "What are you going to do about it?"

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Although I do like the Reaganesque like tone of your comment, about passing a bill outlawing Islam... "- RAPPY
Hmmm... but I didn't say that either.

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And last time I checked, it wasn't Hindus who were coming over and trying to install their cult like social / religious views onto other countries. Anyone who wants to bang their heads on prayer rugs 5x a day, treat women like cattle,and toss gays from atop buildings , more power to ya. But keep that shit out of my country. ( Especially the latter two things. Pray to your imaginary god, for all I care. )
People who come to this country with deeply embedded views of right and wrong should be reminded that when they moved here they promised to follow our laws. Even if it conflicts with their ethics, no matter how deeply ingrained and powerfully felt. If they can't abide by that, they should be deported. Immigrating here is kind of a lump-sum thing, you don't get to pick and choose what parts of the legal system you want to follow.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:29 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I hope you're not talking to me.



Didn't have you in mind.

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You're right, you didn't. My question tho was "What are you going to do about it?



Gee, I dunno. Stop the flow of 3rd worlders who have little / no interest in assimilating into our country? Yeah, that's a good start.


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Hmmm... but I didn't say that either.


Actually, you did. With your 'bomb all Muslim countries' comment.

For context, here's this , for reference.




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People who come to this country with deeply embedded views of right and wrong should be reminded that when they moved here they promised to follow our laws. Even if it conflicts with their ethics, no matter how deeply ingrained and powerfully felt. If they can't abide by that, they should be deported. Immigrating here is kind of a lump-sum thing, you don't get to pick and choose what parts of the legal system you want to follow.



Well, that's exactly what Sharia lovin' Muslims want, their OWN laws... I say go back to ( insert 3rd world county hell hole you came from ) if you absolutely feel the need to mutilate your daughter's naughty bits, and call it ' for her own good'.



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Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:17 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Did you see the opening ceremony of the Confederations Cup? Did you see the McDonald's advertising boards? Did you see Puitn speak to the crowd? He was nervous, stuttered a few times - I was a bit surprised for someone with his speaking pedigree. This was a big deal to him. Some times I see the small town country boy in him. His petty jealousy of the West is the the same I see of my country cousins when they come and visit the "big city." He still wants to be one of the cool kids.- GSTRING
what the hell does this have to do with the future of Islam?



Try using your intelligence.

I find this is the same thing when people are given a piece of contemporary art they have not seen before. They flounder like SIMPLETON. "Huh? WTF is that?" I've not seen that before so I don't know what it is! That's rude! I can't know what something is even though it's right in front of me because I no reference! It's too hard! I want EASY!"

==============================



Your writing is no modern masterpiece.

If you have something to say, just say it. Nobody here is going to read through a bunch of unrelated crap you have to post and come out enlightened in the end and realize that you truly are the great "smart-phone-augmented" genius you believe yourself to be.

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Friday, June 23, 2017 1:12 AM

RIVERLOVE



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Friday, June 23, 2017 1:19 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HAHA! TOO FUNNY! Thank you, RL!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Thursday, March 4, 2021 5:01 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Swedistan news Swedish weakness



A mohammedan who injured eight people with an axe is Muslim 'migrant' from Afghanistan


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/03/sweden-man-who-injured-eight-people
-with-an-axe-is-muslim-migrant-from-afghanistan





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Thursday, March 4, 2021 5:06 PM

REAVERFAN


The violent ones are exactly like our own reichwing domestic terrorists: Violent, hateful, intolerant of anyone who's different, and extremely dangerous.

Each wants to impose their own religious fascism on everyone else. Other than their word for "God," they are exactly the same.

Funny how our Russian trolls cry like the little cunts they are about Islamofascism, but worship Christofascism. Hmm...



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Saturday, December 4, 2021 12:30 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Pakistan: Man tortured and burned alive for blasphemy was accused of throwing Qur’an verses into dustbin
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/12/pakistan-man-tortured-and-burned-al
ive-for-blasphemy-was-accused-of-throwing-quran-verses-into-dustbin

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