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Uh huh.

Do you see that trend under Obama (2008-2016) when wealth was redistributed back downwards?



Yeah, me neither.
What a hypocrite.

Here's another curious observation: Do you that that BIG transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich under Clinton, when most working people thought they were doing pretty well?

In reality, the trend does seem to stay pretty much the same, whether there's Dems or Repubs in the WH or Congress.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm not even talking about the subject of Trumpcare vs Obamacare.

Never before in history did the ex-president have a big fucking mouth like Obama. It's time for him to shut it and go away.

Audacity indeed.

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I have two questions:

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2- Did you actually get any of that money Obama mentioned?

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3- Do you think that Trump is going to keep his word about, well, any of his campaign promises?

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TRUMP ISN'T KEEPING HIS PROMISES!

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TRUMP IS A RUSSIAN STOOGE

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Hey wait, that's three! Sorry, I lied, but you should be use to that by now

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I'm not even talking about the subject of Trumpcare vs Obamacare.

Never before in history did the ex-president have a big fucking mouth like Obama. It's time for him to shut it and go away.

Audacity indeed.

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You've got to be kidding. Talk about selective memory.

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I have two questions:

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Mother Jones website, I forget the article, but if you want to see the link to the picture just right-click on the image, then "copy" to any text editor and it will show you the source (Mother Jones).

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Are you able to clarify or specify a former President who bad-mouthed a sitting President?
It has been a very long time since that has happened, other than Clinton and Obama.

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Are you able to clarify or specify a former President who bad-mouthed a sitting President?
It has been a very long time since that has happened, other than Clinton and Obama.

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Bush gave a brief assessment of Trump’s inaugural: “That was some weird shit.”
www.snopes.com/2017/03/31/bush-trumps-inauguration-weird-sht/

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Are you able to clarify or specify a former President who bad-mouthed a sitting President?
It has been a very long time since that has happened, other than Clinton and Obama.

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Bush gave a brief assessment of Trump’s inaugural: “That was some weird shit.”
www.snopes.com/2017/03/31/bush-trumps-inauguration-weird-sht/

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According to reports, three unnamed witnesses heard Bush refer to the 45th president's inauguration using the phrase.

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In other words, no.

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Originally posted by second:
In other words, yes, Bush did badmouth Trump.

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Originally posted by second:
Recall, if you will, that “a reduction in federal outlays” is fed-speak for “a cut.” Obama is correct about Trumpcare being a massive transfer of wealth.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

A "cut" of deficit spending. Recall, if you will, that deficit spending means spending money today that will have to be paid back by the future generations.

The money to cover Obamacare doesn't exist and needs to be "printed". I couldn't expect somebody to understand this concept when they revere Obama so much after he doubled the national deficit in 8 years.

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Hey genius. I don't care what the money is being spent on or where they say they are getting it. When we are spending 1 Trillion more per year than we are making as a nation, that money is being printed.

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This fiscal year ends Friday. The current law funding the federal government expires that day.

And that means Obama and the Republican Congress will be making another deal — to spend your money and borrow from your children.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I get exactly what you're trying to say. I don't need any more of your examples that all say the same thing over and over.

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Please show you’re smarter than Deason. Don't give him a tax cut, don't give him more money by killing Obamacare.

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Please show you’re smarter than Deason. Don't give him a tax cut, don't give him more money by killing Obamacare.

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Is Mr Deason in the healthcare sector? Probably not. Because once the Senate version came out and it appeared that Obamacare would continue to be the law of the land, healthcare stocks went up.

The biggest backers of Obamacare are hospital corporations. That should tell you something.

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I get exactly what you're trying to say. I don't need any more of your examples that all say the same thing over and over.

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You are repeating the libertarian perspective of Mr. Jeffrey “taxation is theft” Dorfman.

I’m sorry to say that Dorfman is confusing you. Listen to a rich guy who wants Obamacare dead for more truthful reasons: Texas-based donor Doug Deason won’t pay the politicians until they "Get Obamacare repealed and replaced, get tax reform passed," Mr. Deason said in a pointed message to GOP leaders. "You control the Senate. You control the House. You have the presidency. There's no reason you can't get this done. Get it done and we'll open it back up."
www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/0626/GOP-donors-close-checkbooks-u
rging-stronger-action-on-health-care-reform

Deason wants more money for himself. He is not worried about the size of the National Debt and interest. If you pay attention to only what the rich want, you will understand why Obamacare must die. There are many phony baloney explanations of why Obamacare must die. You should ignore those. Reality is Deason and what his kind want. Please show you’re smarter than Deason. Don't give him a tax cut, don't give him more money by killing Obamacare.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Taxation is theft, that is true, but the much larger theft is quantitative easing, which we've discussed in here before.

Obamacare is theft. Trumpcare will likely be theft.

Insurance companies need to disappear.

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Taxation is theft, that is true, but the much larger theft is quantitative easing, which we've discussed in here before.

Obamacare is theft. Trumpcare will likely be theft.

Insurance companies need to disappear.

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I have no hope in you. That "taxation is theft" notion of yours and the libertarians works to my advantage. I'd prefer to not pay sales tax, income tax, gasoline tax and property tax. But then again my money is highly portable and I could vacation in Canada for years while I watch the news of the U.S.A. drifting downward to the poorly governed level of Mexico or the Philippines or Venezuela.

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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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Originally posted by G:
Until we can get rid of Insurance companies we'll have TrumpSteaksCare = second wins, we loose. Do you blame second of Trump?

And what's with your new obsession with Obama talking too much? I haven't seen him say anything since Trump got in office. What are you watching?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

SECOND, your argument is too simplistic. You ASSUME that more taxes on the wealthy = good, and less taxes on the wealthy = bad. But that assumes that the government is going to redistribute downwards in some beneficent way, and not just redistribute among the wealthy or put towards some heinous goal.

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As for your second question, did you bother reading the thread title? This is at least the third time Barry has had something to say about what Trump is doing.

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Yes, I thought you were quoting Fox like a good little stooge.

Pls post links for all of these Obama talking tirades you keep mentioning or you're a lying sh*t - easy.

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But even in the absence of American leadership; even as this Administration joins a small handful of nations that reject the future; I’m confident that our states, cities, and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way, and help protect for future generations the one planet we’ve got.

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The plan is "not a health care bill," Obama declared in a 939-word message to his nearly 53 million followers on Facebook. "It's a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America."

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I'm not even talking about the subject of Trumpcare vs Obamacare.

Never before in history did the ex-president have a big fucking mouth like Obama. It's time for him to shut it and go away.

Audacity indeed.

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You've got to be kidding. Talk about selective memory.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yeah, I wonder about that. Since the transfer of power (I couldn't finish saying that with a straight face), I haven't heard much from Obama, even when Fuck-Face
accused him of wiretapping his humble abode.

Must be all those "dog-whistles" these guys hear, it's got them trained so well that they hear things no one else does. Oh well. Actually I would advise Obama, just let it be. "You'll see" I'll tell him, just don't say anything, it'll all be over soon.

Orange will Mos Def be the new black.

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But even in the absence of American leadership; even as this Administration joins a small handful of nations that reject the future; I’m confident that our states, cities, and businesses will step up and do even more to lead the way, and help protect for future generations the one planet we’ve got.

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The plan is "not a health care bill," Obama declared in a 939-word message to his nearly 53 million followers on Facebook. "It's a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America."

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Never before have we seen this from an ex-president.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Never before have we seen this from an ex-president.

I believe you when you say you're unaware of this happening. Here's your proof, from various sources, not fox news, and from the mouth of Obama himself.

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Obviously my arguments are simplistic. You think I'm seeking feedback at fireflyfans for my next book on the philosophy of Capitalism? - SECOND

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"The real problem, in my view, is — this has been — the prosperity has been unbelievable for the extremely rich people," says Buffett on PBS Newshour.

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Obviously my arguments are simplistic. You think I'm seeking feedback at fireflyfans for my next book on the philosophy of Capitalism? - SECOND

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Which is why I don't pay too much attention to your posts. First of all, you misunderstood my post. I wasn't describing capitalism, I was describing GOVERNMENT, and what it does - or doesn't do- with tax revenues.

Again, you ASSUME that all of your proposed increased revenue will be going to something "fair" or "beneficial" to the people at large. But, since you can see that about half of our government expenditures are siphoned off into the military maybe your assumption is wrong. Maybe our government is as much of "the problem" as it is of "the solution".

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The 3.8% Obamacare tax would be spent on Obamacare unconscionable pharma profits and healthcare insurance margins by Democrats because they are sincere beholden to their corporate sponsors

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You are aware, are you not, that if this healthcare bill goes through, you'll be fucked really hard?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If Dems would do something about high prices ... like maybe requiring hospitals and other service providers to list set costs for frequent procedures or providing real competition for insurance dollars .... that would be better than just shoveling tax money at the insurances.

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A senator who supports the bill left the meeting at the White House with a sense that the president did not have a grasp of some basic elements of the Senate plan — and seemed especially confused when a moderate Republican complained that opponents of the bill would cast it as a massive tax break for the wealthy, according to an aide who received a detailed readout of the exchange.

Mr. Trump said he planned to tackle tax reform later, ignoring the repeal’s tax implications, the staff member added.

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I have two questions:

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There are ten more charts in the article "11 Charts That Show Income Inequality Isn’t Getting Better Anytime Soon"
www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/america-income-inequality-wealth-
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND: AS I HAVE SAID ABOUT A DOZEN TIMES BY NOW, the Dems need to PROPOSE A PLAN, and KEEP proposing their plan, and it must be made public REPEATEDLY. They will not be able to pass anything, but if they have a solid plan and if it makes sense to the people, they will WIN VOTES the next time around. Because then people will feel that they're voting FOR something instead of against something.

I shouldn't have to give you the same answer a dozen times and have you STILL not be able to move the conversation forward!

So, are you actually able to learn? Or will you keep cycling back to your same stupid points over and over again (Trump lies! Trump is Russia's stooge! Trump won't be able to fix the economy! Trump is for the rich people!)
like some sort of wound-up propaganda doll???

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Uh huh.

Do you see that trend under Obama (2008-2016) when wealth was redistributed back downwards?



Yeah, me neither.
What a hypocrite.

Here's another curious observation: Do you that that BIG transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich under Clinton, when most working people thought they were doing pretty well?

In reality, the trend does seem to stay pretty much the same, whether there's Dems or Repubs in the WH or Congress.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The only idea worth discussing is negotiating with pharma for better pricing.

That's insane

What are these Congresspeople doing, that they can't come up with anything better?

If that sounds pissed off, it is.

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