Charlottesville by SHINYGOODGUY

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for. - GSTRING

Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.

I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.

Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.

Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?

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The question is how do you prove who is guilty in a mob action?

With all of the cellphone videos out there, it becomes a lot easier to determine "who did what". In a melee, it's important to see who started it because other people's actions could be self-defensive. Sometimes you can't tell, but in the video where an Antifa person maced a girls in the face as she was being interviewed it was very clear who the aggressor was.

And what about REAVERFAN, who wants to "eradicate" a group of people "by the any means possible"? Isn't HE admitting guilt. simply by what he claims to stand for?

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

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Monday, August 21, 2017 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?

Why would you even ask the question if you don't support them?

If you don't CONDEMN them, then you are FOR them.

You can't defend or condemn what doesn't actually exist. You've obviously got the free time to go chasing after phantoms.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Where are these gangs of roving nazis that are going door to door and beating the shit out of people and killing them?

Some in Europe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/merkel-condemns-rash-of-neo-nazi-
attacks/2015/08/26/8b485a28-bf16-4391-8214-597ec626d815_story.html?utm_term=.68877d8a8416

http://www.timesofisrael.com/suspected-neo-nazi-gangs-attack-migrants-
in-sweden/

http://www.cufi.org.uk/news/uk-neo-nazis-attack-jewish-monument-in-bir
mingham-park/

http://us.tomonews.com/a-suspected-neo-nazi-attack-on-an-asian-man-in-
barcelona-s-subway-is-causing-outrage-2918373

Here, they are mostly cowards that resort to burning crosses (we still DO have that every now and then) and spray painting nasty things on garages and cars (not going to post the hundreds of them). But we have them..

https://psmag.com/news/cross-burning-is-more-common-than-you-think-727
81
http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/local/2017/04/24/montana-c
ommunity-comes-together-neo-nazi-troll-attack/100871400/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/us/charlottesville-nazi-kkk-attacks
.html

Sounds like sick people committing crimes of varying degrees.

By all means give everybody their fair trial and dish out punishments to any of them.

That goes for these supposed Nazis as well as antifa or anybody else that commits crime.

I don't see what the big deal is here. Why all of this identity politics.

A crime is a crime is a crime......

And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.

It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.

If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.

I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 12:50 PM

First things first - when I say "fascism", I'm referring to anyone who has a reactionary political philosophy. People like MRAs, the "Alt-Right", monarchists, the KKK, as well as legit fascists and neo-nazis. Not everyone in that list necessarily wants to implement a fascist-style government like the Third Reich, but each one shares a common belief that is central to their respective ideologies. That belief is essentially:
All humans are very different, and some people are inferior and others are superior.
Therefore, superior people are meant to rule, and inferior people are meant to serve them.
It is natural for superior people to gain power by force.
And everything works better when people know their "natural place" in the hierarchy.
And you'll see this after a passing glance with each of the ideologies listed. The KKK wants to reinstate slavery, MRAs want to make women subservient to men and legalize rape, monarchists want a king and aristocracy to rule over peasants, etc. Same shit, different label. To them, inequality is natural and even desired and the domination of the "low-borns" by the "high-borns" is ideal. Or to put it simply, strength and power are the only thing that matter.
As such, fascism tends to be an ideology espoused by people who are from oppressor-groups. Generally middle to upper class white men, but usually white bourgeoisie. It has appeal to lower class people, but for a different reason:
The fascist leader and the fascist follower are two completely different kinds of people.
The follower is the kind of person who unerringly believes that power and authority serve justice by definition, that the world is dangerous, that outsiders are to be feared, that the world has gotten worse since some (imagined) golden age, and that there are certain traditions that are utterly sacred.
The leader holds these people in contempt, sees their willingness to believe in him as weakness, sees his own willingness to pursue power as strength, and so thinks of his own followers as somewhat stupid. He may or may not believe a word of what he says, but he doesn’t care about truth anyway as long as the narrative serves him.
The administration of the fascist is full of people who have the traits of both groups. (source)
Generally, the fascist follower is a fascist because they expect someone to be lower than them (women, people of color, etc.).
Moving on - the reason why I opened with the breakdown of fascist ideology is because the emphasis on power and domination is vital. As I've said before, fascists do not care about truth, only power. If you look at fascist propaganda or try to debate fascists, you will realize this almost immediately (assuming they don't succed in manipulating you. Take this blog post for example. The post is an overview of how fascists can manipulate liberals into becoming fascists themselves. Here's a choice quote:
Neoreaction is the first known memeplex that effectively attacks the very heart of Progressivism, bypassing its otherwise impenetrable adapted defenses, worming its way into the executive routines, and shredding it’s internal rules-based order. The Progressive may not turn to the dark side, but he will forever be damaged.
Essentially, if you can't manipulate a liberal towards fascism, at least you can permanently break them into submission! And this is the key, the point of fascism is to reify social hierarchy. For people at the top, it is important that the people at the bottom submit to this hierarchy. And that necessarily involves deception and manipulation.
The thing is, for "free and open debate" to occur, your debate partner has to be arguing in good faith. Meaning, they have to be honest about their position and not trying to fuck with you. That's why that Sartre quote is so vital. Reactionaries aren't trying to make a solid argument. They're trying to intimidate. This is why MRAs harass and abuse feminists on Twitter, instead of engaging in reasoned debate. It's that way for all of them. They make a statement, and you counter with a logical argument. And if they can't find a way to play games with your words, they will just resort to abuse and slurs. Every. Fucking. Time.
As for liberals, what they care about isn't really relevant, because their willingness to allow fascists a platform for speech is why they have no defense against fascism in the first place. For fascists, 'free speech' is not about expression, but about organization and claiming space. It's a show of force and an attempt at recruitment. To counter-act this, you need to spread anti-fascist propaganda and to bash them when they try to organize, since debate is impossible and ignoring them gives them power. Liberals see this anti-fascist action as being just as bad as fascism itself. And this is why there's a divide between left-liberals and leftists. The divide isn't because leftists are wrong to fight fascism, it exists because liberals mistakenly believe that fascism is legitimate ideology and one which can be countered by debate.
In summary Fascism is an ideology interested only in social hierarchy and dominance, as such it employs manipulation and coercion to further itself. It does this out of necessity and out of a lust for power and control, as well as the enjoyment of damaging people who are deemed "inferior". Because of this, it doesn't function like other ideologies and has no right to claim "free speech". As well, the only recourse is to shut it down and bash the fash.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchy101/comments/5mba00/why_isnt_fascism_f
ree_speech/

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Monday, August 21, 2017 1:02 PM

Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/majority-of-fatal-atta
cks-on-us-soil-carried-out-b/

The title is misleading. White supremacists ARE terrorists.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 1:02 PM

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Monday, August 21, 2017 1:36 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.

I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.

Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.

Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?
"Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?"

Huh? WTF?? How??????????

So typically full of shit and bogus assumptions - enjoy the eclipse

Many times I conjure you are just pretending to be this dense.
This is a good example.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 1:39 PM

What is MRA?

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Monday, August 21, 2017 2:13 PM

Men's Rights Activist.

Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 2:19 PM

And BTW... it's not my job to condemn any attacks done by anybody. I'm not part of a sick ideology like Islam. I'm part of no group. I'm not taking part in any activities that are hurting anybody.

I'm not going to be told that because I'm white I have to condemn any belief. THAT is fucking racist for anybody to assume that I should have to.

I already said that anybody committing a crime should be punished for it. I don't know what more you SJW twats want from me, but that's all you're going to get.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 2:29 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for- GSTRING

Really? Do you really think this??? I sure hope not.
I can think of a million ways that this can go wrong. First of all, "standing for something" is NOT A CRIME. It's called free speech. If I were to say "I think the USA should be all white, and we should kick out all of the colored people" that's NOT A CRIME.
Now, it starts veering into criminal behavior when someone makes terrorist threats ("I'm going to kill all of you", in CA that would be called "assault") or incitement to violence ("String 'em up!") although that varies from state to state. It REALLY becomes a crime when you put words into actions. In any case, you need EVIDENCE before you can convict someone.
Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?- SIGNY

Applying your logic, tho, I would say that anyone showing up with a hoodie and mask is clearly intent on committing criminal behavior. Right?"
Huh? WTF?? How??????????
So typically full of shit and bogus assumptions

THIS from the person who posted ... and let me quote again...

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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.

ASSUMING MUCH?

First, you assume that you can even tell who a neo-Nazi is. You've thrown that word around inaccurately enough that CLEARLY you can't even tell who belongs in that group.

Second, you assume that you "know" what "all" neo-Nazis stand for.

Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. "They have admitted guilt..." Guilt OF WHAT? What crime was committed? What would your indictment be? Oh, that's right ... it's just one giant clusterfuck of an assumption.

Good lord.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Monday, August 21, 2017 2:33 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for. - SIX

You're indicted on the basis of what THEY ASSUME you think.

You see, SIX, you stand accused of wrong thinking and wrong feeling.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Monday, August 21, 2017 2:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

REAVERFAN, I don't care who commits the "majority" of attacks; it's not relevant to guilt or innocence or punishment. But when YOU take that tack, it sounds like you're advocating collective punishment. Do you know that's a violation of human rights and (in some instances) a war crime?

It's like SIX said

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I already said that anybody committing a crime should be punished for it.

Punishing the perpetrator should be good enough.

You don't get rid of fascism by eradicating fascists, just like you don't get rid of poverty by eliminating poor people.

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Moving on - the reason why I opened with the breakdown of fascist ideology is because the emphasis on power and domination is vital.

since you were the one advocating "eradicating" a group of people by any means possible ... what does that make YOU?

I've confronted this whole "ends and means" argument across many situations, from the Vietnam War to confronting terrorism to Antifa/KKK. The only ethically legitimate use of violence is self-defense. You don't get to use it preemptively, otherwise you become like the thing you're trying to fight.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Monday, August 21, 2017 3:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
You're indicted on the basis of what THEY ASSUME you think.

You see, SIX, you stand accused of wrong thinking and wrong feeling.

Oh I know full well what's going on here. I'm glad you see it too. I think anybody with half a brain who hasn't been brainwashed can see it.

That being said, I'd appreciate it if you edit that post to attribute the quote to whoever said it. I think it was G.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 7:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by G:
Don't be ridiculous. We're talking about Charlottesville. THEY decided, THEY call themselves these things, they applied for permits with those designations.

So ... calling yourself the wrong name is a crime? Wearing the wrong clothes is a crime? Applying for permits to march is a crime? Because, I'm not seeing how any of these things is something other than protected speech.

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Originally posted by 6-string joker:
We? Ridding the country of them? Who are these "we" you're talking about?

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Originally posted by G:
Geewhiz, I dunno... maybe Modern, intelligent society?

So, getting rid of people you disagree with is the function of a 'Modern, intelligent society'?

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 7:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

What I get out of this entire thread is that Reaverfan and 'G' think it's OK to eliminate whole categories of the wrong sort of people, whether or not any individuals have committed any crimes - because ... FASCISM !

And yet, their entire premise rings a bell. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I know it happened somewhere in history ...

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Monday, August 21, 2017 9:29 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by G:
DJ is rarely ever factual.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Who's DJ?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
G's best friend and mentor, his hero.
Eh - doesn't help. All I'm coming up with is Dow Jones and Dee-Jay.

I think POTUS#45 has middle initial J. And G loves him, and emulates him.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 9:33 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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I think if someone claims to be a neo-Nazi or a White Supremacist they have admitted guilt already simply based on what they stand for.
You're indicted on the basis of what THEY ASSUME you think.

You see, SIX, you stand accused of wrong thinking and wrong feeling.

Oh I know full well what's going on here. I'm glad you see it too. I think anybody with half a brain who hasn't been brainwashed can see it.

That being said, I'd appreciate it if you edit that post to attribute the quote to whoever said it. I think it was G.

Done.

Yes, it was G.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Monday, August 21, 2017 10:12 PM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why all of this identity politics.

And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit.

Mah Gawd. You do realize that they don't burn crosses on THEIR laws, they burn them on OTHER people's lawns as a form of intimidation?? They spray paint slang on cars, on houses, throw bricks through windows.... BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY WITH NAZI'S!!!!!!

We call them NAZI'S because if they thought they could get away with it, they would round up everyone that doesn't look like them and murder them.
The INTENT is the same, hence THEY ARE NAZI'S. The DATE doesn't matter a DAMN.

The ONLY reason you could possibly whine about the name is that YOU identify with white supremacists, but you don't want to consider yourself a Nazi.

If you feel ANY similarities with white supremacists YOU.. ARE... A... FUCKING... NAZI....

And lemme tell you, there ain't a damn thing "supreme" about you

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Monday, August 21, 2017 10:57 PM

You're the one who knows all about them Wishy. I guess I wouldn't know who's lawns they burn crosses on.

We don't have people like this where I live. I've never personally met anybody like this. I guess where I live people are just normal. We all just get along.

Just another in a long list of reasons that you should move out of Satan's Asshole, IN.

Keep up the hate, and stay classy girl.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 11:01 PM

Figured I'd repeat this for people who can't read.

And BTW... it's not my job to condemn any attacks done by anybody. I'm not part of a sick ideology like Islam. I'm part of no group. I'm not taking part in any activities that are hurting anybody.

I'm not going to be told that because I'm white I have to condemn any belief. THAT is fucking racist for anybody to assume that I should have to.

I already said that anybody committing a crime should be punished for it. I don't know what more you SJW twats want from me, but that's all you're going to get.

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Monday, August 21, 2017 11:22 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Why all of this identity politics.
And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit. - SIX

Mah Gawd. You do realize that they don't burn crosses on THEIR laws, they burn them on OTHER people's lawns as a form of intimidation?? They spray paint slang on cars, on houses, throw bricks through windows.... BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY WITH NAZI'S!!!!!!

We call them NAZI'S because if they thought they could get away with it, they would round up everyone that doesn't look like them and murder them.
The INTENT is the same, hence THEY ARE NAZI'S. The DATE doesn't matter a DAMN.

The ONLY reason you could possibly whine about the name is that YOU identify with white supremacists, but you don't want to consider yourself a Nazi.

If you feel ANY similarities with white supremacists YOU.. ARE... A... FUCKING... NAZI....

And lemme tell you, there ain't a damn thing "supreme" about you

WISHY, the essential thing about "neo-Nazis" is that they want to drive out/ eradicate certain groups of people who look different or have different beliefs or morals than they. They use violence to achieve their racial or religious or political ends.

Do you really think "Nazis" are the ONLY ones who do that? So, what is with this "Nazi" fixation? Is that the only word you know?

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:56 AM

Seeing James Corden obstructing public street intersections with his crosswalk plays, makes me wonder why they aren't run over or thrown in jail. Deport him back to UK.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:05 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why all of this identity politics.

And by the way... if somebody wants to burn a cross on their front lawn and they aren't part of a homeowners association and there's no laws against doing it, then they're free to do it.
It's a stupid, racist thing to do. They're ruining their own lawn and they're likely to get bricks thrown thru their windows and get a lot otherwise unwanted attention, but that is their right if it's not against the law in their area.
If their neighbors don't like it, change the laws.
I'd sure be going to a town hall meeting if my next door neighbor enjoyed burning crosses on his lawn every night. I don't need any of that shit.
Mah Gawd. You do realize that they don't burn crosses on THEIR laws, they burn them on OTHER people's lawns as a form of intimidation?? They spray paint slang on cars, on houses, throw bricks through windows.... BECAUSE THEY IDENTIFY WITH NAZI'S!!!!!!

We call them NAZI'S because if they thought they could get away with it, they would round up everyone that doesn't look like them and murder them.
The INTENT is the same, hence THEY ARE NAZI'S. The DATE doesn't matter a DAMN.

The ONLY reason you could possibly whine about the name is that YOU identify with white supremacists, but you don't want to consider yourself a Nazi.

If you feel ANY similarities with white supremacists YOU.. ARE... A... FUCKING... NAZI....
And lemme tell you, there ain't a damn thing "supreme" about you

From your description it seemed you were talking KKK, but you only said Nazi.
Are you linking Nazis as followers of the Democrat's murderous enforcers KKK?

The other thread didn't make that exact link, but it does sound plausible.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:52 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

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So, getting rid of people you disagree with is the function of a 'Modern, intelligent society'?

That's exactly what I said to those Nazis

SGG

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:12 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It's a good thing you don't disagree with Jews. Or gypsies, labor leaders, socialists ...

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:20 AM

RIVERLOVE

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by G:
And yet another Nazi sympathizer emerges. How many is that now? 2, 4?

LOL... you're a clown like the other idiot here.

Yep. Everybody is a Nazi. That's a scary world you live in, snowflake.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:10 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno GSTRING, you're a shining example of everything that's wrong with self-labeled liberals/ antifa. (And, no, I'm not saying that you ARE a self-labeled liberal/ antifa, it's just that your views are just like theirs, and therefore a good example of their internal self-contradiction.)

Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you .

Right now, you're so far into political hatred you've become a parody of yourself, and you can't even keep your own story straight. EXAMPLE:

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First, you assume that you can even tell who a neo-Nazi is. - SIGNY

Read much? I said if "they say they are a neo-Nazi, or White Supremacist..."- GSTRING

Let's see, has anybody here self-identified as a Nazi, neo-Nazi, or Nazi sympathizer? No?

And yet, HOW MANY "NAZIS" have YOU identified here?

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And yet another Nazi sympathizer emerges. How many is that now? 2, 4?- GSTRING

As far as I can tell, what you do is label anyone who doesn't get on board your hysterical hate-train as some sort of "enemy". Wow, hate-crazed much?

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Second, you assume that you "know" what "all" neo-Nazis stand for. - SIGNY

Correct - I assume they believe and promote Nazi ideology. Don't you? What do you think Nazis stand for? - GSTRING

Do you mean the original WWII Nazis, or do you mean neo-Nazis, white supremacists, or ethno-identitarians? Because they're all somewhat different.

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Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY

Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING

Well, you're wrong. Standing for something .... even standing for "Nazi" ideology ... ISN'T a crime, AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH AND MAKE "WRONG THINKING" A CRIME.

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Good lord indeed. It's so *funny* how you were hell bent to tarnish and damn Ukrainians with the "Evil Nazi" moniker ("Yatz is aNazi - here's him doing a Nazi salute!" total bs btw), but now you are their champion. It's kinda queer the way you can turn on a moral dime like that and just type out one lie after another. SIGNYM: Defender of Nazis.

GSTRING: My problem with the neo-Nazis in Ukraine wasn't the goose-stepping torchlight parades and swastikas, it was the fact they they helped depose an elected government by violent means, burned 32 people inside the Trades Union building in Odessa, dragged people off of buses and beat them for being of the wrong language group, formed armed militias and engaged in "ethnic cleansing".

Also, I didn't label ALL Ukrainians as "Nazis". Did I not say many times that most Ukrainians who participated in Maidan wanted to stroll down the boulevards and drink coffee at coffee-shops? That they wanted a different life-style, but that there were provocateurs among them? Yes, I believe I did. FUNNY HOW YOU FORGOT THAT, ISN'T IT?

You really should read George Orwell's 1984. In that book, people could be arrested for thought crimes, and you seem to want to bring that kind of authoritarianism about.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:20 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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]Originally posted by Riverlove:

No, liberals aren't "the " "real" fascists. There's plenty of political violence on the right wing as well. Unfortunately, political violence isn't a limited commodity.

You're engaging in the same "us" versus "them" thinking that's destroying us, and which will destroy democracy.

ALL REVOLUTIONS AND CIVIL WARS BEGAN WITH TEARING DOWN STATUES. Let's not head in that direction with identity politics, ok? Let's just focus on people's individual criminal actions, instead of trying to draw sectarian lines between "us" and "them". There are a million different ways that we can divide ourselves, but the practical differences in power and advantage between men and women, blacks and whites. gays and straights, rightwing versus leftwing, is nothing compared to the difference between the 0.01% and the rest of us. Fighting over our relatively small differences when we have so much in common is not only pointless, it's counterproductive.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:14 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

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No, liberals aren't "the " "real" fascists. There's plenty of political violence on the right wing as well. Unfortunately, political violence isn't a limited commodity.

You're engaging in the same "us" versus "them" thinking that's destroying us, and which will destroy democracy.

ALL REVOLUTIONS AND CIVIL WARS BEGAN WITH TEARING DOWN STATUES. Let's not head in that direction with identity politics, ok? Let's just focus on people's individual criminal actions, instead of trying to draw sectarian lines between "us" and "them". There are a million different ways that we can divide ourselves, but the practical differences in power and advantage between men and women, blacks and whites. gays and straights, rightwing versus leftwing, is nothing compared to the difference between the 0.01% and the rest of us. Fighting over our relatively small differences when we have so much in common is not only pointless, it's counterproductive.

then perhaps outlawing statue removal is the way to maintain peace. Seems to have worked for more than a century.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:17 PM

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Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you .
You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?

OK, I guess you really are trying to prove you are this dense.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:24 PM

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Well, you're wrong. Standing for something .... even standing for "Nazi" ideology ... ISN'T a crime, AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO CRIMINALIZE FREE SPEECH AND MAKE "WRONG THINKING" A CRIME.
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Good lord indeed. It's so *funny* how you were hell bent to tarnish and damn Ukrainians with the "Evil Nazi" moniker ("Yatz is aNazi - here's him doing a Nazi salute!" total bs btw), but now you are their champion. It's kinda queer the way you can turn on a moral dime like that and just type out one lie after another. SIGNYM: Defender of Nazis.
GSTRING: My problem with the neo-Nazis in Ukraine wasn't the goose-stepping torchlight parades and swastikas, it was the fact they they helped depose an elected government by violent means, burned 32 people inside the Trades Union building in Odessa, dragged people off of buses and beat them for being of the wrong language group, formed armed militias and engaged in "ethnic cleansing".

Also, I didn't label ALL Ukrainians as "Nazis". Did I not say many times that most Ukrainians who participated in Maidan wanted to stroll down the boulevards and drink coffee at coffee-shops? That they wanted a different life-style, but that there were provocateurs among them? Yes, I believe I did. FUNNY HOW YOU FORGOT THAT, ISN'T IT?

You really should read George Orwell's 1984. In that book, people could be arrested for thought crimes, and you seem to want to bring that kind of authoritarianism about.
Who said anything about arresting them? Who said I wanted to deny their rights to Free Speech? You can't stop lying. Although... Who said I forgot your coffee stroll imagery? I said you called Yatz a Nazi. Didn't you? How many lies is that in one post?

Since you don't seem too familiar with what a neo-Nazi is, here's what and who you are defending:

"Neo-Nazism consists of post-World War II militant, social or political movements seeking to revive the ideology of Nazism. The term neo-Nazism can also refer to the ideology of these movements.

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antiziganism, antisemitism, and initiating the Fourth Reich. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is the incorporation of Nazi symbols and admiration of Adolf Hitler.

Neo-Nazi activity is a global phenomenon, with organized representation in many countries, as well as international networks. In some European and Latin American countries, laws have been enacted that prohibit the expression of pro-Nazi, racist, anti-Semitic or homophobic views. Many Nazi-related symbols are banned in European countries in an effort to curtail neo-Nazism."

Why do you protect and defend such people? Next you'll be lecturing us about ISIS' rights to free speech.

according to that opinion I could be declared a Nazi just by mentioning the dire world where Hitler was warring on 5 fronts and winning on all of them. It was a feat of military power.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:29 PM

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post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Again.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:30 PM

You Nazis and Nazi lovers are not only ignorant of facts and history, but you inhabit a fantasyland of falsehoods.

Once again, for the people in the cheap seats:

Nazi terrorists murdered 2 people in Charlottesville.

Antifa SAVED LIVES.

You are pro-fascist. Antifa are the ANTI-fascists.

Stop wearing swastikas, and pick up a book.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:32 PM

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post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Again.

No. YOU are the real fascists. You support actual fascists. Because you're stupid.

You'll note, if you actually read anything about it, that Nazis are fascists. Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes.

You'll also note that the Nazis ALWAYS come ready to stab and shoot people, and they do.

Riverlove wins stupidest poster of the year.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:39 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Men's Rights Activist.

Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.

Just angry, bitter men who are losers with women, so they blame women for their inadequacies. Men like you, Jack.

Lots of them come to Nazism from there. They're losers in life (like you), and it's everyone else's fault.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:39 PM

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And yet another Nazi sympathizer emerges. How many is that now? 2, 4?
LOL... you're a clown like the other idiot here.

Yep. Everybody is a Nazi. That's a scary world you live in, snowflake.

There were so many facets of the of Nazi doctrine, and admiring any individual one of them seems to identify one as Nazi in Gstring's view.
IIRC economic productivity was one facet, and with today's Clinton born and Obama brainwashed snowflakes perhaps productivity really is the face of evil.

ED: and, umm, ditto for RF.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:46 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
post of the week goes to RiverLove.
Again.
No. YOU are the real fascists. You support actual fascists. Because you're stupid.

You'll note, if you actually read anything about it, that Nazis are fascists. Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes.

You'll also note that the Nazis ALWAYS come ready to stab and shoot people, and they do.

Riverlove wins stupidest poster of the year.

does anybody know which media bubble RF resides in?

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:59 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you . - SIGNY

You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?- GSTRING

No, you dumb shit, I'm equating YOU with Nazis. You're engaging in the same kind of hate-speech. The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different.

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Who said anything about arresting them? Who said I wanted to deny their rights to Free Speech? You can't stop lying.- GSTRING

You did, when YOU posted that "standing for Nazi ideology is a crime. Here, let me quote you

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Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING

Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone, and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.

SO, if standing for Nazi ideology is a "crime", then it should be possible to arrest people who do. Right?

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Since you don't seem too familiar with what a neo-Nazi is, here's what and who you are defending

GSTRING, is the ACLU a neo-Nazi group? Because my position and theirs is the same. You can't seem to make the leap past defending WHAT someone is saying versus defending their right to say it.

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Next you'll be lecturing us about ISIS' rights to free speech.- GSTRING

OOOH, ISIS! The ultimate boogeyman! I'm scared now! [/snark] Muslims are free to preach that the world would be better off if we all converted to Islam. About Allah. About how everyone who is a Shiite is an apostate, and that women should know their (very subservient) place in the world. They can talk about that until the cows come home. What they are NOT free to do is recruit for, support, engage in, or incite terrorism (i.e. political violence), or overthrow the government. (They're also not supposed to libel people, but that's another story.) I'm sure that there are other limits on free speech that I've forgotten about.

But there ARE limits to "free speech", you know.

*******

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Anti fascists are the opposite of them. They're lifesaving heroes....
- REAVERFAN

EXCEPT WHEN THEY MACE YOUNG WOMEN IN THE FACE UNPROVOKED. EXCEPT WHEN THEY CALL FOR ERADICATING PEOPLE BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. THEN THEY HAVE CROSSED THE LINE INTO CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND VEERED VERY CLOSE TO INCITING VIOLENCE OR MAKING TERRORIST THREATS.

This is really disturbing. REVAERFAN, I thought you were at least a little reasonable. There is no group that is 100% anything. Antifa is made of individuals; some are good and some engage in criminal violence. At the same time that I wouldn't call them the "real fascists", I sure wouldn't call them "lifesaving heroes" either.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
035581#1035581

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:14 PM

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Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you . - SIGNY

You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?- GSTRING
No, you dumb shit, I'm equating YOU with Nazis. You're engaging in the same kind of hate-speech. The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different.
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Who said anything about arresting them? - GSTRING
You did, when YOU posted that "standing for Nazi ideology is a crime. Here, let me quote you
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Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING
Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone,

fair certain

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and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.

too late.

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SO, if standing for Nazi ideology is a "crime", then it should be possible to arrest people who do. Right?

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:59 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Men's Rights Activist.

Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.
Just angry, bitter men who are losers with women, so they blame women for their inadequacies. Men like you, Jack.

Lots of them come to Nazism from there. They're losers in life (like you), and it's everyone else's fault.

I'm not angry or bitter. I'm doing just fine, snowflake.

How's that crippling debt treating you? Your student loans? Your mortgage? Do you even own a house?

Once again, I should probably point out your fierce hatred that you rant about with nearly every post, and how you want to hurt people.

Go back and look at my posts. I don't do that.

Who's the angry and bitter person here? Everybody else sees it.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:11 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Men's Rights Activist.

Not fascist. Just sick of the left-wing, SJW, feminist bullshit.
Just angry, bitter men who are losers with women, so they blame women for their inadequacies. Men like you, Jack.

Lots of them come to Nazism from there. They're losers in life (like you), and it's everyone else's fault.
I'm not angry or bitter. I'm doing just fine, snowflake.

How's that crippling debt treating you? Your student loans? Your mortgage? Do you even own a house?

Once again, I should probably point out your fierce hatred that you rant about with nearly every post, and how you want to hurt people.

Go back and look at my posts. I don't do that.

Who's the angry and bitter person here? Everybody else sees it.

is there any contributor here more angry or bitter than RF?

G sometimes flares up, but RF seems to reign supreme. Maybe others in the past, but RF's deluge of late swamps tbe rest.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 3:18 PM

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G sometimes flares up, but RF seems to reign supreme.

GSTRING's contribution to the board seems to be to follow me from thread to thread, trolling. Seriously. he just doesn't seem to know how to talk about a topic; personal insult is as far as he gets. REAVERFAN at least talks about ideas. Although he seems to be driving into the ditch lately too.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:07 PM

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Hating whole categories of people is just like hating Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims. But somehow, that lesson is lost on you. - SIGNY

You just equated Jews. blacks, gays, and Muslims with Nazis. How long have you felt that way?- GSTRING

No, you dumb shit, I'm equating YOU with Nazis. You're engaging in the same kind of hate-speech. The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different. - SIGNY

You just equated all groups as deserving the same treatment - nazis, jews, gays, etc - you're just too spineless to admit it. Its right there in print. You typed it.- GSTRING

Yes, you found me out!

ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS AND DESERVING OF THE SAME PROTECTIONS. Incitement and terrorist threats ... doesn't matter if they're directed against gays or against the KKK. You got a problem with that, you moron??? Take it up with the ACLU and the Constitution.

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Plus, bonus Siggy BS round: "The only difference between you and them is that your target groups are different." God you're a genius!

I don't hate jews or gays, I hate Nazis. While here you are defending them.- GSTRING

Wow. Even your fans will see what an idiot you are.

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You did, when YOU posted that "standing for Nazi ideology is a crime. Here, let me quote you:
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Third, you assume that "standing for something" is, in and of itself, a crime. - SIGNY
Nope, Not "standing for something" "standing for Nazi ideology." - GSTRING

Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone, and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.

You are right again - I never said it was a crime - you corrected one of your own lies, thx toots.

As predicted:

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Now, I know that you're going to post that you didn't complete that sentence, that you didn't SAY that standing for Nazi ideology is a crime, but your meaning is crystal clear to everyone, and if you take that tack you're just going to look like the weasely coward that you are.

So now everyone will see what a weasely coward you are. You're a man who stands behind his words. 50 feet behind.

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You can't seem to make the leap past defending WHAT someone is saying versus defending their right to say it. SIGNY

And you can't seem to read your own writing. You can't seem to keep things straight in your own head. People can say whatever they want, but some speech should have consequences. You SAID IT YOURSELF in this thread:
"But there ARE limits to "free speech", you know." That was you right?- GSTRING

Yes LEGAL limits. Not mob violence' which BTW is criminal.

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Muslims are free to preach that the world would be better off if we all converted to Islam. About Allah. About how everyone who is a Shiite is an apostate, and that women should know their (very subservient) place in the world. They can talk about that until the cows come home. What they are NOT free to do is recruit for, support, engage in, or incite terrorism (i.e. political violence), or overthrow the government. (They're also not supposed to libel people, but that's another story.) I'm sure that there are other limits on free speech that I've forgotten about.

But there ARE limits to "free speech", you know. - SIGNY

Good god you're getting closer. Have you ever read the Daily Stormer? Any WS or Nazi online mag? -GSTRING

Nope!

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Is promoting violence via public speech against other groups/people - is that ok? I shouldn't have to ask you that but that's how far off the rails your thinking is.- GSTRING

The limits of free speech have been tested over and over and over and over. If anything was posted that was clearly criminal, then ANY group ... including the so-called "Antifa" ... would be able to direct the attention of the FBI or any of the advocacy groups such as the SPLC, to these postings and get them shut down.

Jeez, you're an idiot.

And man, if anyone can tell me how to get your spittle wiped from the back of my monitor ... yanno, it's like bug splat ... I would be most appreciative.

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

And voila! Here it is http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61835&mid=1
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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:50 PM

RIVERLOVE

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does anybody know which media bubble RF resides in?

Little Lord Nazipants proves every day he resides inside Rachel Maddow's manly bubble butt.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2017 5:59 PM

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does anybody know which media bubble RF resides in?
Little Lord Nazipants proves every day he resides inside Rachel Maddow's manly bubble butt.

OK. I dont follow her, she seems waaaay to incompetent to pay attention to.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:50 AM

You pro-Nazi traitors comparing antifa to the Nazi terrorists are wrong. It's like comparing chemotherapy to cancer. Antifa is the cure. Nazism is the disease.

The antifa heroes saved lives. The Nazi terrorist murdered innocent people.

Let eyewitnesses tell you about it. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/08/what_
the_alt_left_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html

Also, about the permits. http://www.snopes.com/counter-demonstrators-permits-charlottesville/

You idiots just keep making fools of yourselves.

You're traitors and enemies of America.

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Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:17 PM

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ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS AND DESERVING OF THE SAME PROTECTIONS. Incitement and terrorist threats ... doesn't matter if they're directed against gays or against the KKK. You got a problem with that, you moron??? Take it up with the ACLU and the Constitution. - SIGNY

Ha! Nice try! Problem? Yes, I have a huge problem with you changing the subject to protect your flawed logic. This isn't about "if a group is attacked blah blah blah...." Here's your bullish*t logic in ALL CAPS:

"ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS AND DESERVING OF THE SAME PROTECTIONS."

Is ISIS a group? Are radical Islamists a group? Yes, they are groups, but obviously (to most humans) we do not nor should we protect them. Your logic fails. - GSTRING

Let's start with ALL GROUPS SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS. Clearly, there is nothing in our laws which says we need to protect terrorists, because engaging in violence for political purposes is what, again? Oh, yes: A crime.

Logic fail much?

When someone crosses a line from legal to illegal behavior, they should be prosecuted.

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Somewhere on the line between peaceful protest / peaceful, non violent groups, and extremely violent and radical groups like ISIS are Nazis and White Supremacists.

We do have free speech, so you are free to go ahead and defend and protect ~~Nazis and White Supremacists~~ the Constitutional right to free speech all you want.

I'm free to defend that Constitution! Oh, gee, thanks!

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It's not surprising in the least as you have shown that you have a dark fascination for the violent bullying, murdering type: Putin, Assad, Trump, Nazis, White Supremacists. Quite a list you're building, isn't it?

Dood! I'm not the one who goes on and one and on and on about them! I'm not the one CONSTANTLY bullying people here! I'm not the one who's willing to cross Constitutional lines!

The one who has the fascination with them is .... you!

Yanno, I'm going to try and lay a few lessons on you. I've brought this up several times before, and I'm absolutely certain that you're going to argue against it, but here goes ...

ONE OF YOUR PROBLEMS (you, REAVERFAN, THUGR, and KRAPO) is that you change your threshold of "right" and "wrong" depending on WHO you're looking at, not at WHAT is being done. I hate to pick on REAVERFAN, but his is the most recent example: If someone from the KKK had talked about "eradicating" anyone "by any means possible", you would have had an apoplectic fit. My gawd, we'd STILL be hearing about how horrible it is!

The fill in the blank is talking about eradicating (circle one) Jews/ gays/ POC/ women/ undesirables/ other.

But when it's REAVERFAN, and he's posting about eliminating people that HE thinks are right wing ... note, I said "right wing" not right wing criminals ... well, that's unremarkable! It must be OK because - rightwing! "We" ALL feel that way, don't we? That btw is the origin of mob violence.

Did you ever look at a statue of Lady Justice? In many cases, she's depicted with a blindfold.

Why do you suppose that is?

As for your OTHER BIG PROBLEM, I'll get to that later!

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By the way, GSTRING, I predicted your response PERFECTLY
* ... and then you'll say I'm "too wordy". And then you will - as always- refuse to address the pertinent points, and respond with even more lies and even more bullshit personal attacks.*

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