Which is the greater evil: Trump v the horrors of war? by 1kiki

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Which is the greater evil: Trump v the horrors of war?

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Monday, January 15, 2018 3:16 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Most people here haven't experienced the horrors of war as a civilian. I know I haven't. Depending on age and circumstance, what we know about war comes from WWII or Vietnam movies, news, and maybe some personal accounts of people who fought as soldiers.

So, I'm lucky enough I guess, to know someone who was a child hiding behind a stone wall while 50mm rounds were taking it apart from the other side. Who saw a man standing on a bridge blown up in an instant, and the only thing remaining was his boots. Who saw a woman rumored to be on the 'wrong' side, hung upside down and cut with hundreds or thousands of cuts - who he thought was dead, till she opened her eyes and looked at him. Whose grandfather was chained to the cart he was forced to pull, while being strafed.

I honestly can't imagine what kind of impact being there would have.

For me, war is - still - some distant event. So, I imagine like most people, my empathy for the (mostly brown) people the US has managed to kill and displace over the decades is muted.

I've noticed the people here with the strongest, most visceral reaction to Trump are the people who've experienced direct violent abuse by a parent. Trump, I imagine, brings back a lot of feelings, with his smug, demeaning, untouchable persona.

The fact that he isn't wholesale bombing (mostly brown) people doesn't even compute.

I can understand that reaction to Trump. It seems pretty simple to get.

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Monday, January 15, 2018 4:07 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

DELETED, thanks to FREM's threat, I will no longer be posting about Trump.

I have a family to think of.

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America is an oligarchy
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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 5:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

I've told you guys before I didn't vote for Trump, I like America, most Americans I met were cool, even the insane crazy ones. I have been there a while, I'm not American and don't have any side to pick in the red vs blue political fights

I don't know how anyone could call Trump 'Evil' ...some get un-hinged with the magazines politics and tv, caught in media hysteria, say he is....therefore is George Bush evil, is Obama evil? is Hillary evil?.... to me he's a kinda semi-normal typical rich White business guy, had a Daddy with money, he is a business Leader, tv host wrestling personality, Building Real Estate etc Trump is his own brand and unfortunately if he's not chill calmed, he might have a Super Ego...Trump in a way is like a guy who was an expert in Baseball, he's trained but in the wrong game, but found himself on the NFL or Basketball game and then freaks out because he knows 'Baseball' this 'dance' is stupid and he can't play it. In a way he might be a guy who goes into a Casino or Trade Deal or Vegas or some place... tells his fan base he knows the game is rigged...so he flipped the table over dumping the cards all on the floor and single-handedly destroys the Obama administration legacy, the Clinton machine, the Bush dynasty, the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party...so he can play a game he thinks is more fair for his fans. For certain Neo-Con, Globalist, social Leftwing or moslem brotherhood types the Presidency may be known as the Trumpocalypse...I think maybe the whole Brexit feeling in Europe and Trump base may have some connection to each other.

I thought at the start his US Presidential media circus campaign was something of a joke, however when the Media wanted the US public want to vote for another Clinton or Bush I realize just how stupid US politics had become and I knew there could be something serious about Trump.
Even for a good time Fox was against him, the Fox media network didn't want Trump, he was Anti-Hillary but Fox wanted people to vote for another Bush not Trump Presidency. The US Election is a Long, Long campaign...too long if I may so say as an outsider...once Trump started to win votes in the primary everyone started to freak out!! This probably only added to his movement.

Donald J Trump is the grassroots reaction, the workers, the poor, the middle class that bust their ass and got poorer...he is that great big 'F-CK YOU!' to globalization, the unfair trade deals, Americans getting sucked into bad politics, never ending wars...he is the angry voter and A LOT of people voted from Trump, White, Yellow, Browns, Blacks, Natives have all voted Trump and some of these very same voters would have voted Obama in first time around...I do not deny some rightwing religious hicks or white nationalists or whatever may have voted for him...but many types of people voted for Trump and they all had their personal reasons

What might catch Trump is
1 a spectacular series of disasters, structural, like a collapse of the political system, the roads, the buildings, the bridges everything is old and needs to get done and refreshed, while keeping jobs and the economy moving...for a construction business man to watch big companies fall or buildings or highways implode could be a huge political embarrassment

2 He like many Republicans don't really believe in Climate Change, this also may catch him, the air is dirty, the food is getting messed up by corporate companies, they dump stuff in the Ocean. Nature is changing, and man does pollute, do what degrees mankind has changed its environment may be up to debate but Pollution and Climate Change is something real...something is going to push with mother nature, an Oil rig may crash big oil spill, a hugeass forest Fire in California bigger than anything we have seen before, maybe a flood or Hurricane...I don't know what it is but I feel Earth is due something from nature...I also believe there is a spiritual respect and 'wisdom' America has not yet learned from the Native Americans. Also America should be leading the way on alternative energy, Wind, Nuclear, Solar whatever...these technologies will grow and if the USA doesn't learn how to use it somebody in Japan or Europe or China or somewhere else will learn how to make money from it....China, Europe, Japan what ever place should not have tech and trade deals that get ahead of the USA, people know Americans have to be up-to-date and in touch and peoples knows economics have to benefit Americans.

3 Trump will probably get played and dragged into another war...I hope he is wise and does not...but perhaps the USA will get dragged in just like every other President before him has, I thought America would learn from the misery from Vietnam but then stupid things happened, 911 was an excuse for the globalists to get the military industrial complex moving again, maybe it could be argued America benefited after WW2 but now...it no longer really benefits anymore, the world gets more messed up. Its possible some thing might happen, a diplomatic event, a bomb or Iran or some new random country on a map is on everyone's tv and America told to invade...President Barack Obama he was given the Peace Prize as soon as he got office but look at what he did, he was played and manipulated by Neo-Liberals and Neo-Cons, Deep State people like Hillary, McCain etc What is also not so bad under Trump is the debt, economy, deficits....the USA was getting played badly, I mean under George Bush and Obama the US debts were going up and up like crazy. Also if Trump wants to get back on spending like giving overseas aid to hell 'hole' countries that burn American flags and say 'Death to America' I think maybe that's ok...However its very possible Trump will get dragged into some new War in some part of the world.
Hopefully America does evolve and problems are no longer solved with battleships and bombs and airforce and shootings...for me it would seem the major problem is the USA is in a constant State of War, this needs to end. Somebody once told me the Last time the US congress Legally Declared war was back in December 1941? the USA did however pass a joint resolution Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists which seems to be an ongoing endless war against a Stateless enemy and authorized the US President to fight the War on Terror

Don't be surprised if some globalist weirdo or CIA Mi6 KGB Deepstate weird stuff happens...and all of a sudden people want the USA stuck in the middle of it....I used to think 'PirateNews' was a stupid conspiracy but now I believe some of that alt-radio stuff John Lee posted may have some truth to it. CNN once described how Obama 'the war-ending President who, as of Tuesday, has ordered airstrikes in seven different countries (that we know of).' The United States President Barack Obama had said there would be times when military force was necessary. Even when he accepted his Nobel Peace Prize he said there could be instances when war is "morally justified."

While I agree there are bad people on this world, the rightwings, the religious terroritic doomsday people, the insane Communists, the crazy angry Conservatives and I agree that Racism and Nationalism is bad...I don't know if Trump is that brand of person I don't think he's so bad, I think he just is politically incorrect, goes with his feelings and shoots from the hip. I do wish he could speak more chilled at times or was more diplomatic...but I guess if he was that way he may have never won the election

Here's a 'conspiracy' there is a lot of Nationalist, Ethnic baiting, Race politics in the media, they try to play people off each other. don't tell the truth keep playing Red against Blue, Conservative vs Liberal, Race against Ethnicty the whole Black Lives Matter getting hijacked these are probably the same people bringing in certain dozens of jihadi islamists smack into the heart of Europe...They don't want to fix Black African American Urban areas, they just want their news Preachers to turn it into a stage show. Overseas it happens too, you know in England, Canada, France while some hard working dude from I dunno say China or Tunisia or Jamaica or Mexico some place is paying taxes, doing two jobs, never did crime and all off a sudden these others get to jump ahead because they were given some amnesty or asylum status. It may surprise some people to know a lot of people who voted to 'Build a Wall' or voted 'Brexit' were minorities sick of watching others scam the system and get special treatments. It's not just a rightwing Whiteman thing go to California talk to the conservatives Asians, African-Americans which ever they will tell you about the illegal Mexican gangs, the Latinos and drugs, illegal immigration crime wave. When you are an illegal you are illegal period, that's not about 'race' or whatever, its about breaking the Laws and unfortunately the Democrats are no longer Traditional Democrats are becoming invested in the illegal vote to keep their political positions in power, a lot of European left is like this too, British Labor, the Swedish Socialists....look ahead to the political mess in Europe and censorship to see where America will go.

The positive thing I will say about Trump is he has not started another War....he has unfortunately engaged in war but only just continued the Legacy of Wars already in motion...although personally I try to be a pacifist and non-interventionist so deep down I feel he should pull back, take Troops home and rebuild America's economy, being the World's Police force will make you hated, its damned if you do and damned if you don't...and if there is a choice I say don't. I do realize however political situations are set up where America or its allies can be more or less 'forced' to act

and as for the media circus in Hollywood - some of them I respectbut I mostly say screw them. This year I am disgusted with the movies and tv, that's why their numbers are down. I have never seen a bigger bunch of hypocrisy, a bunch of drunk driving, drugged out rich elite stoned social justice warriors surrounded by Tax dodgers and Rapists and Pedophiles...the conspiracy theories on this one turned out to be correct, Hollywood is rich, dark stuff goes on that is politically hush hush and it is weirdo. I do sometimes find Trump kinda 'offensive' but it mostly only amuses me when I hear something Trump said made one of them go into another hissy fit.

I will give him credit as a speaker, he might not be as thoughtful, cool, slick older historical speakers, not as liked as Obamas talks, he might even be an opposite of Obama but he still has skill as a speaker, the Bumper sticker phrases, he knows how to play the mob, but they lefty people against him hate him but Can't Stop Trump. China strangely enough respects him, for Chinese he has this verbal kickass Cowboy attitude, no BS that puts America First and they seem to respect America more for it.

News media like CNN Turner Broadcasting might ride it out for a while but after Trump I think they are done, the guys like CNN are too exposed now and put all their cards out on the Table, they behave more like media clowns than impartial news these days. Everyone has an agenda now, in fact the only place you might read a real impartial opinion is to come on fireflyfans go through all the wacky opinions and try make sense of it all.

Read up on the down turn, Clinton's legacy, Libya...maybe there were worse things than Trump's policy?

'Hillary Completely Ruined Libya' - Tucker Carlson Reacts To Slave-Trade In Libya

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 6:37 AM

SECOND

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DELETED, thanks to FREM's threat, I will no longer be posting about Trump.

I have a family to think of.

Are you now playing the role of a paranoid?
Signym is a pseudonym. Does it need saying that pseudo-people don’t have real families? The most this website knows about the real person who operates the puppet or pseudo-person Signym is an email address (which doesn’t have to be real because this website doesn’t verify addresses before adding them to its database) and a location that is not exact. See the Browncoat map at http://fireflyfans.net/browncoatsmap.aspx

Having gotten preliminaries out of the way: Please put your original comment back, Signym. It was a well-written, rational comment about President Hillary murdering the world and shipping jobs overseas and letting roaming, rootless, illegal aliens and international bankers annihilate America’s unique culture. The real President Donald J Trump looks relatively good compared to Signym’s imaginary President Hillary.

Please, please put your original comment back, Signym, so that we can quote you. If you do, please include citations to back your Hillary data and conclusions.

Memorable Quotes
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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 8:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
DELETED, thanks to FREM's threat, I will no longer be posting about Trump.

I have a family to think of.

I kind of wish that Frem would cool down and come back and discuss this like a rational person.

I know that THIS is not the person that Frem wants to be... a terrifying motherfucker that silences people via threats. The Frem I knew fought tooth and nail against people who did just that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 8:11 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

Are you now playing the role of a paranoid?

Signym is a pseudonym. Does it need saying that pseudo-people don’t have real families? The most this website knows about the real person who operates the puppet or pseudo-person Signym is an email address (which doesn’t have to be real because this website doesn’t verify addresses before adding them to its database) and a location that is not exact. See the Browncoat map at http://fireflyfans.net/browncoatsmap.aspx

Seriously Second, go fuck yourself.

I'm not a paranoid person, but the internet is hardly anonymous, and Frem is somebody who can actually make shit happen and isn't just full of shit about everything like you and Reaverfan are.

All of you fucking idiots cheering him on for putting out a threat like that just because it happens to be against anybody who doesn't outright hate Trump like you mindless goons do because CNN told you to. I'll bet if you knew who Frem was and he had made a similar post about anybody supporting Obama a few years back, or Hillary today if she had won, you wouldn't take such a fucking blase attitude about it.

If that really was Frem that posted that, somebody he cared deeply for was just hurt badly and/or died, and he feels that somehow Trump is directly responsible for it. If that is the case, I don't want to be on the receiving end of his vigilante justice, and I'm glad that Signy isn't taking any chances either.

That post from Frem was completely out of character for him in many, many ways, and all I can do is hope that things aren't as bad as I'm assuming that they are and that he doesn't, or already hasn't gone off the deep end.

Full Disclosure: He knows my name. My real name. We used to be friends before I fucked up royally and imploded on a booze fueled nightmare. He wouldn't even have to do any work to fuck my life up if he wanted to.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Did you even read his post???

Yes I did. More than a few times.

Quote:
Did you read the thread???

Yes I did.

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And who cheered for him, "putting out a threat like that?"

Geez. Well, we don't have to go far to find the first answer to that question. Let's look at POST NUMBER 2.

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Amen, brother.

Maybe you should read the thread again?

Quote:
Like what? This is how the post starts:

"If you stand against humanity, decency, and mercy...
You stand against me."

Yeah. I read more than 2 sentences into most things. You should try it sometime.

Here's the rest of it, in case you missed it:

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And I can and will destroy you if I can.
This administration, and those who support it, are in opposition to everything I have ever held dear, and in opposition to everything that was ever humane or decent - should you announce your support, or even admiration for it, then I will consider you below the lowest level of Nazi SS death camp guard, and crush you, personally and professionally, in every damn way I can reach you.

You'd be well advised to run now.
You've already cost me the very fucking LIVES of some of those I care about, and there will *BE* no mercy, none whatever, and I am DONE talking.

Admiration? Support?

Hell... some could consider simply admitting to having voted for Trump "support", even if they had already done a complete 180 by now.

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Why does that make you and SIGNYM so nervous? Are you both against "humanity, decency, and mercy???"

If this really is Frem, it sounds NOTHING like him. He's not in a right state of mind and blinded by rage and lashing out. He's in pain. Who the fuck am I to say who somebody in this state would decide was and wasn't anything?

I don't personally think that he would ever do anything to me, but I can't say that for sure. I consider this a very valid threat.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:47 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

So we have our answer.

If it's against somebody you disagree with, then it is perfectly acceptable for somebody to make legitimate threats upon their life and livelihoods.

At least we know who we're talking to now. Thank you for your honesty, G.

You now lose any argument with anybody on any topic in the eyes of anybody who is not blinded by emotion.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think I'm being reasonable with my posts, but FREM's post sounded .... crazed. And there's no good being reasonable when you're facing a crazy person.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:28 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

Jesus, what a waste...

Last night I had a dream about the Wizard Of Oz, and then came in and sat at the computer and it hit me why....

6ix lacks courage to do anything but blame women for why he lacks courage to do anything. All hair and no bite.

JSF desperately needs a brain, so he can make posts that make the barest minimum of sense.

Rappy is looking for a heart but there is nothing there to connect it to and never will be...all he knows is how to be stiff and awkward.

And Sig is just plain fucking lost, worrying about the Warring Wicked Witch. Speculating about who would or would not go to war in any given circumstance IS DELUSIONAL. You CAN'T know and pretending you can is truly NUTZ. 5 star CRAZY.

There isn't anything you can do to fix these people, because they literally have something wrong with them mentally and think they don't. It doesn't take a psychologist to see the red flags...We don't have any pills or treatments that would help them... No Wizard is going to make them see they are actually broken and that it doesn't make them "special". I wish you could fix ignorant with logical, but these people are a lost cause...

Arguing with them is COMPLETELY POINTLESS.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:35 PM

THGRRI

Sig

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 5:43 PM

WISHIMAY

*snort

That's cute, Thgrri.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 8:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

The cheerleaders of Tyranny, all coming together right here on display for the rest of you witness.

Please do keep in mind who they are and what they stand for whenever they make a post regarding anything in the future. One day you might say something they disagree with, and they will cheer when somebody comes along to silence you. Whether it's somebody unlawfully doing it, or it's the Government doing it themselves.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:10 PM

WISHIMAY

I support Truth, Responsible Freedom, and Intelligent Civilization.

You support a guy that believes white narcissism is a sacrament, that our air and water are his to defile for the almighty dollar, and that the sickly and downtrodden are shit on his shoes.

You have NOTHING worth listening to and you know it.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:52 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"when it happened to me"

WHAT happened to you GSTRING? You received notice that you could be held accountable IN A COURT OF LAW for your endless trolling - ie. libel. That the mask of anonymity might be ripped off, and your IDENTITY AND BEHAVIOR exposed and linked forever, in public. When you thought you could be a jackass in the safe bosom of anonymity.

However briefly, you had to consider being publicly held to account IN A COURT OF LAW.

Oh. the. horror.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"I support Truth, Responsible Freedom, and Intelligent Civilization"

Too bad you can't participate in it.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Wednesday, January 17, 2018 7:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:

You have NOTHING worth listening to and you know it.

I know no such thing. I would say with 100% conviction on any given day of the week the EXACT same thing about you and everything that you have to say.

The difference between you and I is that I wouldn't cheer if Frem came in here and threatened to destroy you personally and professionally for things you had to say.

I think you're an idiot. I think you're a worthless human being. I think your very existence does your husband and daughter more harm than it does them good.

But I'm not a judge, jury and executioner, and I believe in the concept of freedom of speech, even when it is abused by idiots and trolls, such as yourself. You have every right to post whatever idiocy you want to. I would NEVER cheer for somebody to silence you through channels either legal or illegal.

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

You got that ass backwards: when it happened to me you didn't say anything, but when it's poor, precious Jack it's, "EVERYONE HELP ME!" Suddenly you care.

As to G's continued claims that I didn't care when he was being threatened, I will say AGAIN that I had no clue that even happened because I tune out when he and Signy get into their little pissing matches with each other.

FOR THE RECORD, NO, I don't agree with Signy on that either. I actually agree with's Second's take that since we're all using pseudonyms here and we're not being doxed and there is no actual ruining of anybody's name taking place that there is no call for any lawsuits here. Had I actually read it, I would have laughed about it because it's just as foolish as anything else the two of you say when you're both being cunts to each other.

And I'm not asking anybody for help. There's nothing at all you could do to help if you even wanted to if Frem had it out for me. All I'm asking, G, is where you stand on the issue.

All signs point to Tyranny.

If you disagree, then just say so.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, January 17, 2018 11:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
FOR THE RECORD, NO, I don't agree with Signy on that either. I actually agree with's Second's take that since we're all using pseudonyms here and we're not being doxed and there is no actual ruining of anybody's name taking place that there is no call for any lawsuits here. Had I actually read it, I would have laughed about it because it's just as foolish as anything else the two of you say when you're both being cunts to each other.

The way it works, IN COURT, is that you can only file a civil suit for damages. Civil suits operate on the basis of "no harm, no foul", so unless the aggrieved party can tally up actual damages the court will refuse to even hear the case.

In order for a libel suit to be successful, you would have to show that someone posted, or said, defamatory statements against a known entity (person or business) which resulted on actual lost money or lost reputation (which could lead to lost money).

Libel is knowingly spreading false/ untrue/ defamatory about such an entity.

Now, the reason why G's butt puckered is because he didn't understand the limits of libel lawsuits. But there is one thing he DID understand: that he (and THUGR, KPO, and occasionally SECOND and WISHY) WERE spreading untrue and defamatory statements about me, statements which I have repeatedly told them were untrue, and for which they had no evidence at all, just a sheer malicious intent to harm. And that is saying, or implying, that I'm a "Russian" troll. We may argue whether or not I'm a troll, but there is nothing "Russian" about me, which is provable in court.

So, FOR THE RECORD, if I should be doxed and suffer reputational harm as a result, that concept of having been maligned as a "Russian" troll? That's still out there.

So stop calling me a "Russian" troll, stop implying that I'm here at the behest of Russia, and you're golden. Yanno, just be honest. It's a pretty low bar to meet.

ON THE OTHER HAND, threatening to destroy someone personally and professionally by whatever means possible because you don't like their political opinion? .... well, that's veering into CRIMINAL behavior, which is another thing all together.

Or maybe not. Maybe you think they're both the same. If so, tell me why.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
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Friday, January 19, 2018 9:10 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
And Sig is just plain fucking lost, worrying about the Warring Wicked Witch. Speculating about who would or would not go to war in any given circumstance IS DELUSIONAL. You CAN'T know and pretending you can is truly NUTZ. 5 star CRAZY.

Yanno WISHY, EVERY TIME you complain that complaining about something never changes anything, I'm really tempted to tell you to shove your own advice up your own ass, especially when you post your own complaints!

But apparently, you simply can't see the irony of posting about the futility of posting. Self-recognition a blind spot for you? I wonder ... do you even see yourself in a mirror?

But mostly, when you post like that, the best advice I can give you is your own: Shut the fuck up. Or at least stop telling people to.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
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Friday, January 19, 2018 11:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh goodie, GSTRING lying his ass off about ... well, everything ... again.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
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Friday, January 19, 2018 11:26 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just wanted to make sure that GSTRING didn't bury this with his whining and lies ...

Quote:
And Sig is just plain fucking lost, worrying about the Warring Wicked Witch. Speculating about who would or would not go to war in any given circumstance IS DELUSIONAL. You CAN'T know and pretending you can is truly NUTZ. 5 star CRAZY.- WISHY

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Friday, January 19, 2018 11:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I see that G has yet to reply to me, again.

He just cannot bring himself to say that he's against censorship via intimidation and threats, so long as it suits him.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, January 19, 2018 2:09 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I see that G has yet to reply to me, again.

He just cannot bring himself to say that he's against censorship via intimidation and threats, so long as it suits him.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

He never will. It's like SECOND, who's all for democracy until it nets a result he doesn't like; and THUGR who's all for freedom of the press as long as they print what the government wants; and WISHY who's all for tolerance except if you're the wrong sex and color.

It's like "bombing for prosperity", "warring for peace", and "propaganda for freedom". I know that people who make those kinds of excuses are well-meaning ... they want to think of themselves as "good people" ... but they just can't confront the damage of their advocacies.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
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Friday, January 26, 2018 11:56 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Ah, the old frying pan or fire gambit.

SGG

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Most people here haven't experienced the horrors of war as a civilian. I know I haven't. Depending on age and circumstance, what we know about war comes from WWII or Vietnam movies, news, and maybe some personal accounts of people who fought as soldiers.

So, I'm lucky enough I guess, to know someone who was a child hiding behind a stone wall while 50mm rounds were taking it apart from the other side. Who saw a man standing on a bridge blown up in an instant, and the only thing remaining was his boots. Who saw a woman rumored to be on the 'wrong' side, hung upside down and cut with hundreds or thousands of cuts - who he thought was dead, till she opened her eyes and looked at him. Whose grandfather was chained to the cart he was forced to pull, while being strafed.

I honestly can't imagine what kind of impact being there would have.

For me, war is - still - some distant event. So, I imagine like most people, my empathy for the (mostly brown) people the US has managed to kill and displace over the decades is muted.

I've noticed the people here with the strongest, most visceral reaction to Trump are the people who've experienced direct violent abuse by a parent. Trump, I imagine, brings back a lot of feelings, with his smug, demeaning, untouchable persona.

The fact that he isn't wholesale bombing (mostly brown) people doesn't even compute.

I can understand that reaction to Trump. It seems pretty simple to get.

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Saturday, July 8, 2023 8:44 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

The fatal police shooting of a teenager rocked France. Was it a 'George Floyd moment'?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/07/05/france-unrest-why
-is-the-country-rioting/70378340007/

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Wednesday, October 30, 2024 7:30 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

they claim economic war now

once a he said she said gossip comment about "shitholes" made news

Amid Backlash, Trump Claims No President Has Done More for Puerto Rico Than He Has

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/29/us/politics/trump-puerto-rico-madis
on-square-garden-pennsylvania.html

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