For the record. by FREMDFIRMA

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND, SIX:

BOTH parties are riven by internal disputes.

Don't you remember, SECOND, how the establishment GOP (Neslon Rockefeller/ William F Buckley/ Council on Foreign Relations/ Ivy League/ "eastern liberal wing" Republicans) were challenged by small-government radical Barry Goldwater?

And later, the GOP decided to make common cause with Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority (1980s), ushered in by Newt Gingrich, which led to predictions that the GOPs pro-globalist finance position would be swallowed by a religious extremist agenda? Eventually, when Democrats took both houses in 1987 it let to a circular firing squad among the competing GOP factions?

The TEA party movement (2009- ?) was a Republican populist movement in response to the meltdown pf 2008; not at all an establishment brand, just like the Occupy Movement was not an established brand of the Democratic Party.

BOTH parties suffer from the same problem .... they're corrupted by the irreducible pull of Big Money and the Military Industrial Complex

The rank-and-file party members express their disaffection in different ways: in the GOP, as dissatisfaction with high taxes, Big Government, and the the "war on Christmas".

In the DEMS dissatisfaction is expressed with wealth inequality and through the promotion of Identity Politics/ Social Justice Movements.

It used to be that you could count on the Democratic Party as being anti-war, but BOTH parties have now been consumed by the deep state, and their ranks filled with neocons of various stripes, so there is no more anti-war party.

The problem is that we Americans continue to get screwed. The party bosses know it, WE know it, and the bits of fluff and chaff that the parties throw out to keep us entertained/ distracted (RUSSIA! Stock market!) don't address our REAL problems, which are:

Predatory banking and crushing debt load at all levels, from individual to international

Lack of manufacturing base, which not only erodes the value of the dollar (financial destabilization) and creates a JOBS problem (opioid and other addictions) it also creates a SECURITY problem (inability to deal freely with nations on which we are economically dependent/which hold a lot of our debt)

Overwhelming (50% of Federal budget) expenditures on CIA and military "interventions" abroad which do nothing to protect our national interests but take away from our ability to revive ourselves at home

Lack of common purpose. We not only can't agree which problems are important (let alone how to solve them), we mostly can't agree on what it means to be "American", or that we even SHOULD have a common purpose or a common identity.

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Health care, housing, the environment, education, infrastructure, jobs, true social justice etc etc. These priorities are specks compared to the massive budget that is the military and the security agencies. Out of roughly $1.1 trillion in discretionary spending, the military accounts for over half (about $600 billion) while heath care, for example, counts for about one-tenth of our military expenditure. Needless to say, if we reduced our military spending by a significant amount, we could afford to do much better on other programs. And if we could manage to find where that missing $21 TRILLION went to, we'd be fixing a massive hole in our collective wallet. But don't hold your breath on that one, because the parties who have been filching money from the budget, and those that let them do it, have an existential interest in never letting that data see the light of day.

The point being that while the parties twist, turn, morph, and splinter, they are still chained to the stake of Big Bucks, and they are BOTH riven by the pull that they experience from staying true to their source of funds versus keeping their base distracted and entertained. Don't even expect either party to address the fundamental issues that affect us because that touches on their own wellspring of money.

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 12:33 AM

rezident owtsidr

About the OP -

Not a good idea.

It may feel good to vent steem in a forum, but stratejicly its an eazy point for the oppozition. At the very least, you can get kikt out. At worst, if you actually do 'get' sumbudy, here'z neon glowing clue #1 for the detectivez.

But about the larjer issuez prezented, I get it. Unkl Skam iz not doing a good job uv riting and enforsing lawz. I think sumwun whoz been ronged iz justified in getting retribution themselvez wen the law haz failed.

Declaring war on Trump supporterz iz foolish. Putin will get a charly horse in hiz cheeks from smiling too hard if he readz that.

Trump's job iz to degrade America in any way he can. Cultivating idiots and nurturing their stoopidity iz a big part uv dividing the nation. Its hard to not get angry at the idiots, but you haf to see them az the 1st victimz uv the attack. (yes, I no the GoPs started it way befor Putin carjacked them)

The only way to really win iz to vote the GoPs out uv power and take down their propaganda network. Many uv the fooled can never be stratened out, but we can stop them from getting control agen.

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:23 AM

J0,

There was actually a lot more discussion in a thread or two other than that one. Did you happen to see the thread where I posted a picture of Walter White saying "I'm the one who knocks" while describing what Frem is capable of.

We used to be friends, and he knows my name. If for some reason in his pain he feels that my having voted for Trump is support enough for him to decide to hurt me or ruin me, I have no doubt he could do it. Hell... He could just send anynomous emails to my current employer pointing them to years worth of drunken ramblings on this website and at least ensure that I never get a promotion there, even if I can't outright get fired for it.

Fortunately for me, I pretty much ruined myself already. The only relationships that I have are the ones that I've been rebuilding and they pretty much know all about what I've done while I was drinking because I did that type of shit on forums with my actual name like Facebook. Most of that damage was already done and it would be pretty difficult to hurt me other than throwing roadblocks in my way while I'm trying to claw my way up out of the depths I had sunk into.

It's besides the point though. What if I hadn't done any of that? What if I had a wife and kids, and he knew my name? I've volunteered enough info about the area I live over time that it wouldn't be hard for somebody resourceful to put an address to the name.

If reaverfan posted the same post, I would have laughed at it. Frem is not one to make empty threats, and he's probably the most resourceful and tenacious person I've ever known. The first time I read that post I got chills down my spine.

It's not just about winning points or losing points, or whether or not Putin would get a smile on his face reading that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 2:20 PM

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Do I haf to read the entire forum? I think I got your point alredy.

If you are really afraid, you shoud buckle down and read/watch all you can about TrumPutin. The New York Timez, Washington Post, MSNBC - the REAL newz.

Then, wen you hav kum to the inescapable conclusion that Trump iz a dumass conman who got himself under the control uv the worldz most seksessful mobster, admit that you got fooled and beg Frem for mersy.

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 2:42 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:

Do I haf to read the entire forum? I think I got your point alredy.
If you are really afraid, you shoud buckle down and read/watch all you can about TrumPutin. The New York Timez, Washington Post, MSNBC - the REAL newz.
Then, wen you hav kum to the inescapable conclusion that Trump iz a dumass conman who got himself under the control uv the worldz most seksessful mobster, admit that you got fooled and beg Frem for mersy. - JO

JO, you're an ass. You're so certain that you're right that you're willing to advocate political violence? Which by the way, is not only against everything that our nation stands for, it's criminally illegal???

You don't recall how the NYT (the "real news") pushed the Saddam WMD theory? Or the "massacres" in Benghazi (according to major media) that never happened? And let's not forget that your precious "REAL" news all said that Hillary was going to win. So let's just charitably say that they were wrong (not lying and propagandizing), which STILL points out that they don't deserve the level of trust that you place in them.

Fake news abounds! You'll find it everywhere, not just in alt news websites or Trump's twitter feed. It's everywhere, even in the MSM.

So FOR THE RECORD: What happens if you're wrong? Will you apologize for being a jerk and advocating political violence?

One of the things that people never consider is what might happen if they have to eat their own words. Thinking about that tends to prevent intemperate posts ahead of time.

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:41 PM

Well let's just say that I'm not comfortable with having any more personal contact with you than we currently have at this point J0.

I'm still willing to work with you on the tax plan, but we'll have to do it on here. If you have any specific questions, or would like me to take the time to write up something more official, just say the word. If you feel you have a lot more to talk about that you'd rather speak it to me, you have a youtube channel. Send me a video that is set to be viewed, but not available to the public.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:43 PM

Signy, he didn't advocate political violence. He seems to be against what Frem said in the first post, but not for the right reason.

There is only one reason. He won't say it either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:01 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"admit that you got fooled and beg Frem for mersy."

Looks like TROLLJO has no issue with Frem's threats - in fact, he thinks threatening people is SO legitimate, people should cave 'and beg for mercy'.

Because ... Trump.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 9:48 PM

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Sig & Kik - thats a standard misinformation tactic. You are taking a part uv a statement and making it into the hole messij.

"If you are really afraid" iz the foundation uv wut followz. You ignore that to make 'JO advocates political violens' sound reazonable.

The tactic works well enuf to fool most peepl wen its spoken, thus the rezounding sekses uv the GoP propaganda TV & radio network, but in print, not so well. And in a text based debate like here, it clearly revealz your intention to deseev.

6 - Are you truly afraid?

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:43 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Do I haf to read the entire forum? I think I got your point alredy.

What was the point, JOTROLL? Did you REALLY get it?

Quote:
If you are really afraid

Forms part of a logical statement IF/ THEN

Quote:
(then) you shoud buckle down ...

and accept everything in the MSM as true.

Why is that, JOTROLL? What you're saying is 'if you take Frem's threat seriously, it makes the media right'. But, not only is one not logically connected to the other, the NYT, WAPO, MSNBC etc have ALL been found to be pushing government propaganda ie fake news.

As a piece of logic your statement fails miserably, and as gaged by actual facts, it's provably false.

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(and also) Then, wen you hav kum to the inescapable conclusion that Trump iz a dumass conman

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who got himself under the control uv the worldz most seksessful mobster

Reading that is like listening to the needle skip over an entire record. Trump may be a conman. But there is literally ZERO evidence he and Putin had any agreement to do anything at all.

So there you go, pushing propaganda. Again.

Quote:
and beg Frem for mersy.

In other words, you approve of the use of real-life threats on a DISCUSSION FORUM to silence opinions.

What a little dictator you turned out to be.

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 10:58 PM

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Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:17 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Well, that was entertaining.

Thanks.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 2:36 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

JO, you seem to think that "political violence" is wrong but "retribution" is OK?

No matter what you call it, it's still criminal. "Rule of law", hello???

But what got me was you telling SIX that he should beg for FREM mersy. REALLY??? SIX isn't the one threatening people. He's been one of the nicest people here (except on the subject of women's rights) and probably the LAST person who be begging anyone for anything.

JO, you're naive and righteous, and that's a bad combination.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 7:57 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
6 - Are you truly afraid?

Whether I am or not is entirely besides the point.

I'm not going to re-explain my thoughts about Frem, and my respect for him and what I KNOW he is capable of, and what my current questions about what he's actually going through and what he MIGHT further be capable of.

You want me to help you write up a tax plan. I'm more than happy to. As you stated on the tax thread, it's the message that counts. I don't care about getting any credit for the idea. I just want to see that idea out there. I want people informed of it, talking about it, thinking about it. Even if we don't agree on a lot of things, that's not important. I want that issue to get some exposure that I would never be capable of giving it.

But I asked you a question, and it requires that you go back and read EVERYTHING pertaining to this issue and make a judgement about it.

You haven't done that, and you've answered incorrectly. I'll still help you write up your tax plan, but I'm not going to be conversing with you in any way that requires me to volunteer any more of my personal info to do it. It's going to be on the forum here.

And For the Record... I don't beg anybody for shit, ever. Do I look like I'm scared? Have I stopped posting here? No.

And apparently, I'm the only one still here in these parts that knows what Frem is capable of.

That makes me the winner. I've got the biggest balls out of anybody still left on this forum.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 22, 2018 9:04 AM

OMG are you all kidding. Nobody is going to do anything to anybody. One post from FREMDFIRMA then gone, and some here are left in a tizzy. Grow up...stupids.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 9:06 AM

Go eat a dick bitch.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 1:33 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
But there is literally ZERO evidence he and Putin had any agreement to do anything at all.

But there is literally ZERO way you could know that. Or maybe you were sitting next to the happy couple every time they spoke? Possibly you have a seat on Mueller's team? Just more obvious noise from Kiki.

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kiki plays the mind reading I know even though there is no way I could card all the time. That's because facts prove to be to much for her to handle.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 1:44 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"But there is literally ZERO evidence he and Putin had any agreement to do anything at all."
"But there is literally ZERO way you could know that."

And literally ZERO way you could know that there is.

So, what exactly have YOU been posting about for over a year? Oh, that's right - you've been LYING.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, January 22, 2018 2:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"But there is literally ZERO evidence he and Putin had any agreement to do anything at all."
"But there is literally ZERO way you could know that."

And literally ZERO way you could know that there is.

So, what exactly have YOU been posting about for over a year?

All the overwhelming evidence being uncovered daily that he did. Also, proof that all his people lied about no russian contacts.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 2:33 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Go eat a dick bitch.

I think I'v herd uv that. I think it's the Gary Indiana version uv the giro, hoagy, ruben, grinder etc.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 3:26 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
6 - Are you truly afraid?

Whether I am or not is entirely besides the point.

I'm not going to re-explain my thoughts about Frem, and my respect for him and what I KNOW he is capable of, and what my current questions about what he's actually going through and what he MIGHT further be capable of.

You want me to help you write up a tax plan. I'm more than happy to. As you stated on the tax thread, it's the message that counts. I don't care about getting any credit for the idea. I just want to see that idea out there. I want people informed of it, talking about it, thinking about it. Even if we don't agree on a lot of things, that's not important. I want that issue to get some exposure that I would never be capable of giving it.

But I asked you a question, and it requires that you go back and read EVERYTHING pertaining to this issue and make a judgement about it.

You haven't done that, and you've answered incorrectly. I'll still help you write up your tax plan, but I'm not going to be conversing with you in any way that requires me to volunteer any more of my personal info to do it. It's going to be on the forum here.

And For the Record... I don't beg anybody for shit, ever. Do I look like I'm scared? Have I stopped posting here? No.

And apparently, I'm the only one still here in these parts that knows what Frem is capable of.

That makes me the winner. I've got the biggest balls out of anybody still left on this forum.

Lots uv contradictionz there. Stream uv consciousness typing duz that.

My 'incorrect ansr' iz a matter uv perspectiv. Wut woud you do if wun uv your luvd wunz wuz dependent on Obamacare to stay alive, then died az a direct rezult uv the assclown prez and GoP leaderz chipping away at it?

Hard to think uv a more clear cut case uv justifiably righteous anger.

Let me personalize it for you:

You get diagnosed with sirrosis uv xu liver. The medz and weekly dialisis cost 8,000$ per month. Due to your low income, Obamacare coverz it all, even payz a portion uv the gas to drive to your appointments.

Thanks to the assiduous efforts uv McConnel and Ryan, your deal gets degraded and you haf to kum up with 1,500$ per month, leaving you no choise but to get a morgaj on your house. The 100,000$ will tide you over for several yirz if you are painfully frugal.

But then Trump winz the election and, lickity split, your Obamacare deal gets worse, plus the costs for the treatments and drugz start escalating rapidly!

The remaining equity money disappearz in 6 months. 6 months later the sherrif's deputyz show up to evict you from the house that you owned free & clear before.

Now you are renting a crappy studio apartment in a run down section uv East Chicago. Got a job at the Home Deep Pot within bisycle ranje.

Therez a 20 sumthing collej student rich parent punk working in the offis who haz been reading Ayn Rand and other libertarian claptrap. During lunch breaks he can often be overherd bragging about hiz 2018 BMW good gradez reward, holding forth on hiz pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps filosofy, and how the nanny state iz killing the country. "Paul Ryan and Trump will fix this country and the libtardz can move to Mexico!"

How happy woud you be if he didnt show up 1 day and the newz showed hiz BMW rapt around a tree? A fatal drunk driving aksident.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 4:43 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"All the overwhelming evidence being uncovered daily that he did (collude with Russia)."

Really. Post just one.

I dare you.

THUGGER IS A PAID DEEP STATE TROLL, AND GEEBERS IS HIS EAGER-BEAVER VOLUNTEER ASSISTANT.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 5:43 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JO753:
6 - Are you truly afraid?

Whether I am or not is entirely besides the point.

I'm not going to re-explain my thoughts about Frem, and my respect for him and what I KNOW he is capable of, and what my current questions about what he's actually going through and what he MIGHT further be capable of.

You want me to help you write up a tax plan. I'm more than happy to. As you stated on the tax thread, it's the message that counts. I don't care about getting any credit for the idea. I just want to see that idea out there. I want people informed of it, talking about it, thinking about it. Even if we don't agree on a lot of things, that's not important. I want that issue to get some exposure that I would never be capable of giving it.

But I asked you a question, and it requires that you go back and read EVERYTHING pertaining to this issue and make a judgement about it.

You haven't done that, and you've answered incorrectly. I'll still help you write up your tax plan, but I'm not going to be conversing with you in any way that requires me to volunteer any more of my personal info to do it. It's going to be on the forum here.

And For the Record... I don't beg anybody for shit, ever. Do I look like I'm scared? Have I stopped posting here? No.

And apparently, I'm the only one still here in these parts that knows what Frem is capable of.

That makes me the winner. I've got the biggest balls out of anybody still left on this forum.

Lots uv contradictionz there. Stream uv consciousness typing duz that.

My 'incorrect ansr' iz a matter uv perspectiv. Wut woud you do if wun uv your luvd wunz wuz dependent on Obamacare to stay alive, then died az a direct rezult uv the assclown prez and GoP leaderz chipping away at it?

Hard to think uv a more clear cut case uv justifiably righteous anger.

Let me personalize it for you:

You get diagnosed with sirrosis uv xu liver. The medz and weekly dialisis cost 8,000$ per month. Due to your low income, Obamacare coverz it all, even payz a portion uv the gas to drive to your appointments.

Thanks to the assiduous efforts uv McConnel and Ryan, your deal gets degraded and you haf to kum up with 1,500$ per month, leaving you no choise but to get a morgaj on your house. The 100,000$ will tide you over for several yirz if you are painfully frugal.

But then Trump winz the election and, lickity split, your Obamacare deal gets worse, plus the costs for the treatments and drugz start escalating rapidly!

The remaining equity money disappearz in 6 months. 6 months later the sherrif's deputyz show up to evict you from the house that you owned free & clear before.

Now you are renting a crappy studio apartment in a run down section uv East Chicago. Got a job at the Home Deep Pot within bisycle ranje.

Therez a 20 sumthing collej student rich parent punk working in the offis who haz been reading Ayn Rand and other libertarian claptrap. During lunch breaks he can often be overherd bragging about hiz 2018 BMW good gradez reward, holding forth on hiz pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps filosofy, and how the nanny state iz killing the country. "Paul Ryan and Trump will fix this country and the libtardz can move to Mexico!"

How happy woud you be if he didnt show up 1 day and the newz showed hiz BMW rapt around a tree? A fatal drunk driving aksident.

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Talk about stream of consciousness and circular logic.

The question is simple, J0. And since you can't be bothered to read about this, I'll ask you now.

THREATENING ANYBODY'S LIFE OR LIVELIHOOD FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER.

FOR OR AGAINST?

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Monday, January 22, 2018 6:20 PM

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Agenst!

Howevr your Q iz rediculously oversimplified. Everything iz a situation.

The situation in America iz that Uncle Skam iz doing a poor job uv maintaining a state uv sivilization.

Do you believ the bad guyz shoud be able to do az they pleez az long az the gubment sez its legal?

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Monday, January 22, 2018 6:45 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
THREATENING ANYBODY'S LIFE OR LIVELIHOOD FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER.

FOR OR AGAINST?

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Agenst!

Howevr ...

Your reply is an "against ... BUT" answer which means "for". Thanks for clarifying where you stand.

... for the record ...

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Monday, January 22, 2018 8:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Agenst!

Howevr your Q iz rediculously oversimplified. Everything iz a situation.

The situation in America iz that Uncle Skam iz doing a poor job uv maintaining a state uv sivilization.

Do you believ the bad guyz shoud be able to do az they pleez az long az the gubment sez its legal?

What fucking bad guys? You're going to have to be more specific.

I believe in the non-agression principal, and I live by it and only associate with others who do. We are not pacifists. We will defend ourselves and those we care about if we are attacked.

This does not include anybody who supported a politician I don't agree with. You didn't see me making blanket threats against anybody who supported Obama or GWB, and you never will.

I agree with Kiki. Your answer is "Against... But", which actually means "For".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, January 22, 2018 9:15 PM

rezident owtsidr

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You didn't see me making blanket threats against anybody who supported Obama or GWB, and you never will.

6string, frum xu 753 for Prez xred:

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I just can't watch Rachel. She's in that special category of nails on a chalkboard for me that she shares only with Seth Meyers. I'd love to see them fight each other in some UFC exhibition match and knock those smug looks off each other's faces.

Too bad Celebrity Death Match isn't around anymore. That would be fun.

Loosy haz sum splainin to do!

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:58 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You didn't see me making blanket threats against anybody who supported Obama or GWB, and you never will.

6string, frum xu 753 for Prez xred:

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I just can't watch Rachel. She's in that special category of nails on a chalkboard for me that she shares only with Seth Meyers. I'd love to see them fight each other in some UFC exhibition match and knock those smug looks off each other's faces.

Too bad Celebrity Death Match isn't around anymore. That would be fun.

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Wow, really?

You're going to compare somebody who is extremely capable of carrying out the threats of ruining somebody's life he's said he's going to follow through on, knowing that he knows my full name and it is possible that I'd be in his cross hairs, to me making up a fantasy situation where two extremely overpaid and infinitely annoying smug douchebags beat the hell out of each other in a cage match and then compare it to a claymation MTV comedy show from the late 90's as the same thing?

Something, I might add, that was by no definition a threat of any kind and was pretty obviously said in jest. Is comedy fucking off limits now too? Just further limiting of free speech by neo-Liberals?

If Mental Gymnastics was an Olympic event, I think you might at least place for a bronze medal, J0.

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Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:41 PM

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I'm just sayin iz all.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 12:29 AM

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Really, Jack, Fremd iznt going to hurt you just for voting for Trump. I dont no him az anything more than another anonymous forum name, but suspect he iznt so outrajusly mean and stoopid to start a program to bump off Trump voterz with wun that can be connected to him. GUHUK!

The point you arent paying enuf attention to about my 1st reply here iz that you are a victim uv GoP propaganda and Trump's talent for conning peepl. You get 1/62,979,636th uv the blame.

Actually, only a small fraction uv that, sins voterz hav only a tenuous illusion uv control over the prosess.

But in spite uv all that, I'll help you out uv this terrible pickle anyway:

Fremd, pleez let 6ixstring off the hook, kuz I'm sure he woud hav picked an entirely different and better roster uv candidates if given the power.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 6:55 AM

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Really, Jack, Fremd iznt going to hurt you just for voting for Trump.- JO

How would you know?

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:00 AM

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Bekuz I'm not a moron.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:19 AM

Man... you are missing the point, J0.

I find it to be no coincidence that every single person in here who is loudly against Trump has not condemned such a message.

Allow me to quote specific parts of Frem's original post to possibly emphasize what you might be missing when you look at the entire thing.

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This administration, and those who support it, are in opposition to everything I have ever held dear... should you announce your support, or even admiration for it, then I will... crush you, personally and professionally, in every damn way I can reach you.

You'd be well advised to run now.

...there will *BE* no mercy, none whatever...

Note that I'm not hiding anything by using the ellipses. I'm just throwing out the frivolous crap like calling people who voted for Trump Nazis. I also took out the part where Frem feels that the Trump Administration is personally responsible for the death of people close to him, which actually is very important, but I wanted to highlight the threat here. Feel free to go back and compare it to the original post.

Why can't you just say that any threats like this from anybody, regarding anything, is wrong? What is so difficult about doing that?

Do you really hate Trump that much that you are willing to allow this type of behavior to take place and either cheer it on or sit on the sidelines and watch violence ensue?

As you said... You have no idea who Frem is. I'd like to think that if you actually did then you might possibly have a different opinion about this. Maybe not. Maybe society today really is this sick, and even the once rational are willing to slide down the path of tyranny to get what they want.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:07 PM

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I dont want to look like I'm bragging, but I hav an apparently rare ability to see thingz from other perspectivez.

I took Fremd'z perspectiv to formulate my reply.

I took yourz in later replyz.

My own perspectiv will suit you better:

Fremdz outburst, however well justified, wuz unwize and inconsiderate to the memberz uv this forum, especially the Trump and Putin supporterz.

I see it az an important indicator uv the level uv disunity the Republican party haz been perpetrating upon this nation. The dejeneration uv unity iz Example Case #1 for demonstrating the failure uv the founding fatherz to create an effectiv defens agenst political partyz.

It also showz how the American version uv sivilization failz on a variety uv measurez.

Really, it iz recognizing that fundamental thingz need to be fixed and the politicianz on both sidez werent saying diddly squat about it iz wut made me start running for prez. You may hav notised that the ELECTION paje on my site iz named Job #1 in the tab at the top.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:29 PM

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Fremdz outburst, however well justified, wuz unwize and inconsiderate

Also illegal.

Frem's outburst was NOT well-justified, and in days of yore he would be the one to say so first, because one of the lessons that he tried to tell Bush supporters here (who were fully on-board with Bush's "unitary executive" approach) was ... Be careful of the (convenient) means that you endorse today, because tomorrow, those means will be in the hands of your enemies.

So Obama outdid Bush in terms of Executive Orders and signing statements - tactics which Republicans here were all supporting until they were used against them.

Threats of violence for political purposes is NEVER a good idea, unless you're willing to go into full-on revolution, because under those circumstances the most violent win. It's an evolutionary process which weeds out the most pacific.

And putting the blame for disunity on Republicans, when you have an example RIGHT HERE in front of you of a Dem supporter threatening violence, and of Dem supporters either egging this on or silently endorsing it ... is just plain stupid.

JO, I would not, if I were you, crow about your capabilities of seeing things from a "different" perspective, because as far as I can tell you're still more of the same.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:43 PM

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Another angle on this:

A wile back, maybe a few yirz alredy, I posted the Thunderdome topic. A plase for seriously angry member disputes to play out. The main purpose being to keep the rest uv the topics clear uv the rancor that can rot a forum to deth.

I hav prezented the idea in several other forumz, but the adminz hav yet to understand the utility uv it.

It shoud be a plase where the usual rulez agenst personal attacks are relaxed so the pressure uv steaming raje can be harmlessly vented into the atmosfere.
Wen thingz get out uv hand (such az in this thred) the Admin haz a new tool to deal with it thats short uv banning the offender. The post iz relocated into The Thunderdome and the battle can continue there. But preferably, memberz woud start their matchez there. The combatants can get it out uv their system and the uninterested memberz dont hav to sift thru the garbaj. Thredz dont get derailed. Discourse iz raized to a more intellijent and sivil level.

I'll find it and bump it up.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:15 PM

If I'm right, all the cry babies here will still be posting a few months from now. If I'm wrong and they're dead, I'll be sure to say I was wrong in a post. Really, I look forward to it.

After all, if you're wrong you're wrong and I love opportunities to correct the record. Here's to hoping I have to correct the record.

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:42 PM

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JO, I think Thunderdome is a bad idea. "Letting off steam" (expressing your anger) doesn't reduce feelings of anger, it increases them. It also increases anger in the recipient, so overall everyone just gets more pissed off, not less so. Plus, things said in anger don't just go away, they leave a regrettable mark on the participants which can't be walled off into a single thread.

AND FINALLY, I doubt that people like THUGR and GSTRING would actually respect the concept of a Thunderdome thread; after all, just look at THUGR's asshole post which I'm going to quote so that THUGR can't post edit it.

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If I'm right, all the cry babies here will still be posting a few months from now.If I'm wrong and they're dead, I'll be sure to say I was wrong in a post. Really, I look forward to it.

After all, if you're wrong you're wrong and I love opportunities to correct the record. Here's to hoping I have to correct the record. (above).

So, are you going to vigorously repudiate the threat of violence, or are you going to continue to excuse/ accommodate it?

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Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:10 PM

Since I've been here the whole RWED is the Thunderdome. I do think it's a shame that barely anybody posts in this entire site anymore, because I've been a member of several different sites over the years and by far this is the least moderated forum I've ever known. Not that I think it's out of laziness or anything, but I think Haken and anybody else who moderates really gives a long leash to the members, and I really do appreciate that.

That being said, I'm not even asking for Frem's post to be censored. I'm also happy that it hasn't made it to the Troll forums because it is a centerpiece of an important discussion now.

What T is too stupid to realize, and what I'm still hoping J0 can figure out is that it doesn't really matter who Frem is and what he is capable of. Threats like this are just wrong no matter who makes them or for what purpose. And as I've said quite a few times already, I'm not entirely convinced that it was even Frem who posted it because the Frem I knew never would have posted it.

Seriously J0. Look at T's reply above. He really wants to be wrong here. He actually hopes that one of us dies as a result of this.

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:36 AM

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THGGRI cleverly put the thred in its proper plase - a useless string uv blather in an internet forum. Not to be taken seriously by anybody who haz more important thingz to do, such az organizing their CD collection.

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:39 AM

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PS - dont you hav sum real work to do, gorramit?

I see enuf text for a good size chapter in a book from you over the last few dayz about this and other crappola. Wherez your tax plan?

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:41 AM

I'm working on a project of my own that's going to hopefully turn into an alternate source of income.

I'm not exactly sure what more you need from me regarding the tax plan J0. Be specific. Perhaps you have questions about it that I haven't thought about?

I feel that I did a good job of laying it out, but welcome any constructive criticisms. If you are looking for ways to legally implement these strategies, that is beyond my pay grade. I'm not a politician, nor will I ever have any desire to be. I'm just an idea guy.

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 2:38 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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THGGRI cleverly put the thred in its proper plase - a useless string uv blather in an internet forum. Not to be taken seriously by anybody who haz more important thingz to do, such az organizing their CD collection.

THUGGER added his own brand of maliciousness to the threat.

And if it were a republican doing it, you'd be crying a river and shitting your pants. But you're too basically invested in your own faux-righteousness to see what a dishonest moron you've become. And so you continue to pretend that the threat wasn't a threat, and THUGGER wasn't wishing people would get killed.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 2:52 AM

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THGGRI cleverly put the thred in its proper plase - a useless string uv blather in an internet forum. Not to be taken seriously by anybody who haz more important thingz to do, such az organizing their CD collection.

Let me put it to you another way J0.

After all this debate that has gone on about the subject, Frem could come in here and make a post with only two words and I'm doxed. My first and last name, which he knows.

I'm not going to spell out how it can be done in case that ever were to happen, but let's just say that if any of the hate spewing nitwits on this forum have even half a brain more than I give them credit for wanted to, they would pretty easily be able to find out my exact address with what they know about me from what I've written here in the past. I'm hardly the only person online with the same first and last name in the country, but as far as I've been able to figure, I'm the only one even remotely in my area.

And let me put that to you another way. If I so desired, and if somebody popped in here and posted Wishy's real first and last name tonight, I would be able to post her address here tomorrow morning with what she's said in the past. And unless her name is something absolutely generic like Mary Smith, I give you my 100% guarantee on that. Not that I would do it, but that it wouldn't be at all hard to figure out. It wouldn't even cost me any money to do it with just her first and last name.

What do you suppose that Wishy or T might do with that information about me J0? Wishy has shown on many occassions how petty and hateful and spiteful she is, and I don't think anybody would deny that she's not above doing this. I don't get the picture that she listens to much music or really has anything better to do in general, so no... I don't think her sudden need to organize her long neglected CD collection would even save me from her idiocy.

T has flat out called for everyone to hate people like me and just earlier today said about Frem's post that he hopes he is wrong and one of us do get killed so he can come here and say he was wrong.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Do you get it now?

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:32 AM

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Hmmm... and do you really think that sneaky wording will disguise the intent of the post? Because, yanno GSTRING, if anything happens to Trump supporters, and it becomes known that you aided, abetted, or encouraged the violence, I really hope that you don't face any legal consequences... yanno, the kind where the webmaster HAS to turn over his records, and the law comes to get YOU. Really, I hope I'm wrong and I'll be glad to say so.

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JO, you pretend that this is all about "two parties", but the reality is that this is an "ends versus means" argument.

If you're not familiar with the concept, it's the question of whether or not the "ends" (the goals) justify "means" (methods) that contradict the goals themselves.

Is it justifiable to censor speech, to promote freedom of the press?
Is it justifiable to advocate anger and to threaten violence, to promote peace?
Is it justifiable to surveill the innocent, in order to promote freedom?

The failure that I've seen, FROM BOTH DEMS AND REPUBS, is their failure to properly address this question. That's why we've wound up "destroying the village in order to save it" time after time after time.

In my observation of events, from the Vietnam War forward, I've seen that such justifications NEVER WORK. They have NEVER achieved their stated goal, instead have ALWAYS resulted in steps backwards.

The other thing that I've observed is that once someone starts excusing THEIR OWN UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR (unethical by THEIR statements, not mine), the goals that they SAY that they're for aren't their REAL goals. If someone has to start rationalizing ethical failures, at that point it should be a flag to step back and sincerely consider what your REAL goals are. For example, having pumped arms and training into the Syrian conflict which helped killed a half-million people, the goal CLEARLY is no longer freedom, peace, democracy, prosperity, or any of the other banners that people usually hold up as achievements, it's probably more like oil and gas pipelines.

There is a saying Be the change you wish to see. It sounds trite, but by my observation it's entirely true. That, or at least be more honest about your REAL goals, when you find yourself acting against your own stated ethics.

So JO, WISHY, G, SHINY, and the rest ... you face an ethical choice: What are you really for?

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:52 AM

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Figures - yet another threat from SIGNYM. You have threatened me 3 times- GSTRING

Oh no, GSTRING, didn't you read my post? I SAID I hoped I was wrong! Just like THUGR did! How could that possibly be a threat? It's just well-wishes, dood. Stop shitting your pants!

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:27 AM

Well... it also wasn't a threat either. Signy isn't the webmaster.

She was just saying that if you were allegedly involved in violence against anyone on these forums that the webmaster might be legally obligated to hand over your personal information to the authorities.

I fail to see the threat you're speaking of.

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Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:55 AM

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JO, I think Thunderdome is a bad idea. "Letting off steam" (expressing your anger) doesn't reduce feelings of anger, it increases them. It also increases anger in the recipient, so overall everyone just gets more pissed off, not less so. Plus, things said in anger don't just go away, they leave a regrettable mark on the participants which can't be walled off into a single thread.

AND FINALLY, I doubt that people like THUGR and GSTRING would actually respect the concept of a Thunderdome thread; after all, just look at THUGR's asshole post which I'm going to quote so that THUGR can't post edit it.

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If I'm right, all the cry babies here will still be posting a few months from now.If I'm wrong and they're dead, I'll be sure to say I was wrong in a post. Really, I look forward to it.

After all, if you're wrong you're wrong and I love opportunities to correct the record. Here's to hoping I have to correct the record. (above).

So, are you going to vigorously repudiate the threat of violence, or are you going to continue to excuse/ accommodate it?

You didn't read it right (of course). T said he hopes he's wrong about the record, the one you 'fraidy cats created with your, "Frem wants to kill us" squealing. SO, T hopes you are both wrong and not what you said.

Hmmm... what's that sound??? I think I hear Frem laughing his ass off somewhere.

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Yep G, laughing his ass off. Stupid's G, I've been using this word a lot in these threads lately. It fits, it definitely fits.

T

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