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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So I was listening and reading, and got some very different views about Trump.

One is from an American now based iirc in Japan who reads all the 'local' newspapers - yanno, papers we couldn't generally access here. And he said that Trump scored high marks in SK, China, India and Japan, by basically stating he was looking for areas of mutual self-interest between the US and those countries. Apparently Xi Jinping thought so well of Trump he treated Trump to a state dinner in the Forbidden City, something that hasn't happened with a foreigner in over 80 years. He also made a point of stating how vastly differently the papers of those respective countries covered Trump vs how the US covered him.

And then there is another astute foreigner living in the US who's been fairly pro-Trump until the appointment of Bolton, at which point he went off the rails and said - yep, the neo-cons got to him.

And then there was the third opinion that Washington is so owned by the Deep State, that no one person could possibly be a change agent, not even the president. That it would take a years (decades) long movement with a deep bench of experienced people to wash out the old system and replace it with a new functioning apparatus to do that.

I know I haven't linked the sources, but honestly, I don't think anybody would bother listening to hours of interviews or read multiple multi-page essays.

I'm just putting down a marker for later comparison.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

And then there was the third opinion that Washington is so owned by the Deep State, that no one person could possibly be a change agent, not even the president. That it would take a years (decades) long movement with a deep bench of experienced people to wash out the old system and replace it with a new functioning apparatus to do that.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There are at least two other views floating around "out there":

The fourth (by your count) comes from true believers, people who scrutinize the posts of Q (Q Anon) like some armageddonist poring over the Apocrypha. In this quote, from November of last year, he said that ... but in THIS quote from March 23 he said that ... but here he said that ....

The latest catch-phrase is Trust the plan, the interpretation is that all of Trump's actions (including the appointment of Bolton) are part of The Plan. Sometimes the interpreters of Q Anon have to do some pretty impressive mental backflips to maintain their narrative, but (again, according to them) Bolton was appointed so Trump could find out HIS sources and roll them ALL up at the same time. As "Dave" of X22 says ...the Deep State goes pretty deep" .... it won't work to lop off the mouthpieces of the Deep State, you need to dig deeper and deeper to find their true handlers.

Dave points to a series of Executive Orders, meetings, and events which, quite frankly, DO point to active and ongoing measures to quietly root out the Deep State including cutting their sources of illegal funding (by closing the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan to interdict the Deep State's opium poppy trade). If I could remember all of the EOs, meetings, and events it would make a pretty impressive list. According to "Dave" one of the targets of the Trump administration is The Fed. Regulation of social media Internet Bill of Rights (Come on, people sign the petition already) was something predicted by Q Anon (they say). Audit The Fed is another, and international sex trafficking - especially of children- is a third target and Bill and Hillary are involved in that. They say.

The reason why I make such a big deal about this is because nobody here is likely to have heard any of this, and I hope to make a fair representation of their POV. I listen to Dave much like I listened to The Truthseeker: With a mental bucket of popcorn. But I've also gotten some really good insights from both, so I can't reject what they say entirely.

A fifth interpretation is that Trump is just nuts, or perhaps only mildly aware of what's going on in the background, but that there is a splinter anti-Deep State faction (formerly of the Deep State) and that they are somehow managing Trump's actions sufficiently to accomplish their goals of ridding the USA government of Deep State influence.

I guess, in both POVs, it's not about Trump at all: He's either an active member or a distracting sideshow, but much of the REAL work of draining the swamp is with others.

Just my $0.02.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
https://thinkprogress.org/what-newspapers-in-13-countries-are-saying-a
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Apr 29, 2016, 3:00 pm

Can't you find something a bit more up to date?

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
https://thinkprogress.org/what-newspapers-in-13-countries-are-saying-a
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So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Apparently THUGGER cannot answer the question - why did he post an article from 2016 and think the specifics still applied today?

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The answer is simple kiki. Everything you post suggests you need to go back to the beginning. Your understanding about what has been going on is completely void of the facts.

When you've read what I posted let me know. Don't worry, I won't go to fast for you this time.


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Apr 29, 2016, 3:00 pm

Can't you find something a bit more up to date?

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
https://thinkprogress.org/what-newspapers-in-13-countries-are-saying-a
bout-donald-trump-819e632616d2/

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So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Which political office did Trump hold in April 2016?

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