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Whoever did the head Kathy is holding, did a tremendous make-up job. I wonder if they competed on that Reality Show Face Off? SGG

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Impartiality check: Too bad it wasn't Hillary's

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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"The Republican party has distanced itself from the candidates"

I also note that a 60% rise can be calculated from a starting point of 10 rising to 16, which, overall would still be very low numbers in a population of 360 million. I'd be curious what the actual numbers are.

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tracking down YOUR LINKS

There is NO MENTION in the original story that Nazis were involved.

It seems every time you provide a link, you make up faux news not supported in the original.

https://wtvr.com/2017/06/12/a-mural-promoting-social-justice-is-vandal
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"Sections being painted over isn’t out of the ordinary."

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There were 1,986 incidents of anti-semitism in the United States in 2017, the ADL found, which included vandalism and physical assaults.

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Whoever did the head Kathy is holding, did a tremendous make-up job. I wonder if they competed on that Reality Show Face Off? SGG

Impartiality check: Too bad it wasn't Hillary's- SIGNY

Yeah, or even Obama's...………… SGG

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There were 1,986 incidents of anti-semitism in the United States in 2017, the ADL found, which included vandalism and physical assaults.

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I note that represents 0.00055% of the population, and that they may or may not be Trump voters.

Implying (or outright saying) all 62M people who voted for Trump are Nazis, based on the actions of (perhaps) 2000 people (or one very, VERY active person, or something in between), who may or may not be Trump voters, is an egregious misrepresentation of reality.

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You can rest assured they're in the Blumpy Nazi cult. There is no doubt. The "good Germans" all helped Hitler, like it or not.

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"The Republican party has distanced itself from the candidates"

I also note that a 60% rise can be calculated from a starting point of 10 rising to 16, which, overall would still be very low numbers in a population of 360 million. I'd be curious what the actual numbers are.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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There were 1,986 incidents of anti-semitism in the United States in 2017, the ADL found, which included vandalism and physical assaults.

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I note that represents 0.00055% of the population, and that they may or may not be Trump voters.

Implying (or outright saying) all 62M people who voted for Trump are Nazis, based on the actions of (perhaps) 2000 people (or one very, VERY active person, or something in between), who may or may not be Trump voters, is an egregious misrepresentation of reality.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Lunatic Politics (Part 2) – It's Becoming Impossible To Have A Conversation

More and more people are becoming aware of and concerned about the level of political dialogue going on right now.

We’ve gotten to a point where I’m seeing almost no intelligent debate about any serious issue. Russiagate now consumes such a massive amount of our collective energy, it feels we’ve become nearly incapable of discussing anything else. Even worse, Russiagate has morphed into a creepy D.C. establishment religion where merely demanding evidence for the wild claims being made gets you labeled a traitor or Putin agent. Ironically, average Americans don’t care about the issue.

When Gallup recently asked Americans what the most important (non-economic) problem facing the country today is, the amount of people saying Russia was so low they couldn’t even attribute a number to it.



Think about that. We’re being divided into two camps of increasingly insane and angry people because of hysteria surrounding an issue nobody even cares about.

As usual, we can thank mass media for turning this topic into its singular obsession as well as promoting an environment of cultural insanity and stupidity.

As a result, people aren’t having intelligent conversations with one another. They’re just yelling at each other. The dialogue feels more like a political hunger games where people see everything as a linguistic competition of kill or be killed. Language itself has become debased as individuals try to one up each other with name calling and hyperbole. Demonizing and dehumanizing the other side appears to be the primary goal, which will only lead to a very bad place if we don’t take a collective deep breath.

One of the more discouraging and sad parts of the current environment is watching many of Trump’s opponents, who define themselves by being ethical, completely toss this aside in their furor at Trump. A recent tweet by liberal hero Shaun King perfectly proves the point.

“It’s absolutely treasonous.”

No, it absolutely isn’t. But don’t take my word for it. Let’s examine some excerpts from a recent article published by Steve Vladeck, a professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law whose teaching and research focus on federal jurisdiction, constitutional law, and national security law.

From his NBC article, Americans Have Forgotten What ‘Treason’ Actually Means — And How It Can Be Abused:

Treasonous acts may be criminal, but criminal acts are almost never treason. As Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution specifies,“Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.” The Founders went out of their way to define treason narrowly because they knew how it had been repeatedly abused in the past…

Thus, to ensure that treason could not likewise be co-opted for political or personal purposes, the Constitution’s drafters not only defined it precisely (it’s the only offense specifically defined in that document), but also specified that “No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.” (Article III also limits the punishment that can be inflicted, even with a conviction)…

By those metrics, it should be obvious why it is not treason to either refuse to applaud the president or to collude with Russia to influence the outcome of a presidential election. To be sure, the latter, if proven, is light-years worse than the former. But treason is not defined by the gravity of the offense; it’s a crime indicating the clear support our enemies during wartime, period…

To be sure, there’s no law against the colloquial misuse of a legal term — nor should there ever be. But the more we use the t-word to refer to conduct that doesn’t remotely resemble the constitutional definition, the more we are — willfully — turning a blind eye to the sordid history of treason that led to its unique treatment in the U.S. Constitution.

Shaun King considers himself both an ethical human and a journalist, but his tweet was just lazy and stupid. Lazy because it’s very easy to search what treason means, and why it’s one of the most loaded and well-defined terms you can use. Stupid because he must know that flippant accusations of “treason” have historically been used by right-wingers against leftists. Normalizing such a tactic will only end up hurting the marginalized people he’s dedicated his life to protecting. It’s incredibly dumb and shortsighted, but just another example of what Trump Derangement Syndrome can do to you.

I don’t mean to pick on him. We’re all extremely flawed human beings that could benefit from self-reflection and humility. We all need to get down off our soapboxes, look in the mirror and she what wild-eyed lunatics we look like. I try to do this as often as possible, yet recognize that I’m far from the person I’d like to be. There’s no destination in life, only the journey.

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When I was younger, I used to read about history and wonder how it was possible for the whole world to go to such complete shit.

Now I know.

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A major problem with today’s charged political environment is too many people have become too attached to outcomes. Whether that outcome is removing Trump from office, or reelecting him. If you’ll do anything to achieve your goals, anything to grab power, or deploy any tactics to prove your point then you will become the monsters you claim to be fighting. Too many of us are becoming passionate, engaged monsters and it won’t lead to anything good.

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Trump-Supporting Veteran Violently Attacked By LA Mob

A viral video from Thursday night shows a violent mob attacking a Marine veteran who was wearing a Trump shirt near President Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

The video begins with an enraged man shouting at Los Angeles-based journalist Elijah Schaffer, who showed up with singer Joy Villa and the veteran, wearing pro-Trump attire. The man, shouting at Schaffer, repeats the phrase "I can say nigger if I want to," before Schaffer tells the man to "get out of my face."

Then, a scuffle breaks out between an Asian man and an individual referred to as a Marine veteran, reports Infowars' Paul Joseph Watson.

The anti-Trump agitator throws the first punch at the veteran and then the man involved in the first confrontation physically assaults the veteran and Schaffer.

Other anti-Trump agitators join in the fight before one of them launches a kick at a man filming the scenes on a large camera.

A group of teenagers then break out in a chant of “fuck Donald Trump” as Schaffer and the veteran, who ably defended themselves against the mob, leave the area. -Infowars

Schaffer tweeted "We stood our ground," however he says his $3,000 camera was stolen.

Villa weighed in over Twitter following the incident, tweeting "Our Marine Veteran was attacked. They stole Elijah’s $3000 camera. THIS is what @repmaxinewaters call to violence brought here in LA"

As Watson notes, "This is just the latest in a series of violent attacks on Trump supporters," linking to a list of over 500 such attacks compiled by Breitbart's John Nolte (@NolteNC).

Earlier in the week, Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame star was destroyed by a man with a pickaxe.

Priorities of course...

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Too funny - some white dude in Indiana wants to tell us about Blackness. Some of the sh*t you come up with...

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Shaun King is as black as Senator Warren is Indian.

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Now, I personally believe that we Americans face far larger problems than the ones that we're distracted by, and that being divided amongst ourselves is a fools' game. - SIGNY

Signym, sorry to piss all over your worthless argument, but there is The Case Against Civility, In Five Charts.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/27/the-case-against-civili
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Your link doesn't work because I need a subscription to access the material, so if you really want a response to this material, you'll have to copy it here.

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Chart #2 is particularly interesting because it points to an extremely unfair disadvantage for Democrats compared to Republicans. And it is built into the Constitution.

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There was a point being made on NPR about this, and what I heard was how the Senate gave too much representation to rural states, and "gerrymandering".

Well, as far as the first point is concerned, our government was formed the way it was formed to get the "buy-in" of the original colonies. If you want to change THAT, you will need a Constitutional Amendment. Being personally uncivil to me, SIX, KIKI, or individual Trump supporters or staff members is not going to get you very far. NOT IF YOU INTEND TO PROCEED DEMOCRATICALLY, ANYWAY.

As far as fixing "gerrymandering" ... Democrats, when they were in power, gerrymandered district lines right up there with Republicans. If you want to gerrymander the lines back in Democrat's favor, then you will have to make sure that you have control of State Legislatures in 2020, after the Census is done. That might mean... yanno... appealing to a wider set of voters, and representing EVERYBODY's interests .... farmers as well as city-dwellers, whites as well as blacks, men in addition to women, citizens but not illegal immigrants, and religious people along with agnostics. That means finding the CORE INTERESTS of what draws America together, interests that we all have IN COMMON, and NOT playing off one group against another with increasingly fragmented identity politics, or focusing on baloney like RUSSIA!!. Maybe you can start by not characterizing a large number of Americans as "deplorables"? THAT sort of incivility really doesn't work in your favor.

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THIS from the person who castigated KIKI for going back to 1869 for a legal opinion on immigrants' rights? Dood, you invalidated anything else you might have to say on the topic if you reference anything that far back!

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On the other hand, personal incivility is worse than pointless, it's counterproductive. What does the aggressor hope to accomplish, other than getting a "lift" by expressing their own anger? Does it change anyone's POV ... except to the negative? Does it do anything to future encounters other than fuel future violence? - SIGNY
Sometimes, Signym, a slave-owner crossed a line he does not recognize or refused to even acknowledge could exist and the slave killed the owner. I know it didn't end slavery for tens of millions in the Antebellum South, but many, many slave-owners were deserving of death long before the Civil War began. Some slave-owners got what they deserved during the war. Many others did not because they survived. Just a personal opinion. Opinions differed widely before 1860 about limits on what a slave-owner rightly could do to his property. Nowadays opinions differ on what a Republican rightly can do to an alien.- SECOND

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Hillary Clinton: "You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for"

James Woods: Not surprising that this wretched hag would jump on the violence bandwagon driven by Democrats these days. I guess they want civil war. That would be a terrible thing and surely would not end well for them.

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