spin - aka 'news' by 1kiki

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

That's the problem - isn't it?

'You' - including the western propaganda 'news' organizations - can't discuss Russia+election with any level of proportion or integrity.

Instead, it has to be inflated to RUSSIA!!! is THE reason WHY HILLARY LOST and TRUMP WON and there must have been COLLUSION!!! between RUSSIA!!! and TRUMP!!! and WIKILEAKS!!!!!! and RUSSIAN MAGNATES doing PUTIN'S!!!BIDDING ... AND ... AND ... AND ... (add your item of incoherent hysteria here) ...

... all to delegitimize and un-elect the elected President.

I'm just pointing out that all the spin leads to an extremely convoluted, self-contradictory narrative like the set of polls above.

'People' trust Mueller more than they trust Trump and they don't approve of the summit and they think Russia meddled in the the election and that has them concerned ... but they really don't care.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Sunday, July 22, 2018 7:08 PM

REAVERFAN

Would you translate that last line for us, kiki?

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Monday, July 23, 2018 3:16 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Would you translate that last line for us, kiki?

Love, love.... LOVE IT! We don't have a laughing hysterically emoji, dammit.

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Monday, July 23, 2018 7:25 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Would you translate that last line for us, kiki?

"Trump will make Russia Again great!"
https://goo.gl/wG7h5S
"Trump will make Russia great again!"
https://goo.gl/YHqyNZ

Trump effect: Republican support for Russia has doubled
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397672-trump-effect-republican-
support-for-russia-has-doubled

Since 2014, the percentage of Republicans who consider Russia an ally has almost doubled from 22 percent to 40 percent. Democrats still have no illusions about Russian intentions since there are few Democrats now (28 percent) or four years ago (25 percent) who believe the Russians are our buddies.

The crossover point according to Gallup when more Republicans thought Russia was friend rather than foe came in March 2015. I don’t think it was a coincidence that was about the time Trump became a star on the GOP presidential stage and started his campaign to make his BFF, Vlad, a saint.

The differences between Democrats and Republicans on Russia are striking. Trump has given new meaning to the phrase “Red State.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, July 23, 2018 8:03 AM

... stay crunchy...

After reading from a script last week like some errant 5 year old having to make restitution for breaking his neighbor's windows, Trump is back this week to "it could have been anybody." Even while trying to concede that his Intelligence Angencies were right, even after commending them, "my guys are great," he contradicted their findings and himself AGAIN by saying, "or it could have been someone else."

There are only a few plausible reasons for this obvious effed up behavior:

1. dementia.
2. Compulsive liar
3. Fear of what Putin/Russia would do to him if he doesn't behave and follow their directives
4. An asteroid is going to hit the earth within the next 5 years and there's nothing we can do about it.
5. We are all Russian citizens already and there's nothing we can do about it.

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Monday, July 23, 2018 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
After reading from a script last week like some errant 5 year old having to make restitution for breaking his neighbor's windows, Trump is back this week to "it could have been anybody." Even while trying to concede that his Intelligence Angencies were right, even after commending them, "my guys are great," he contradicted their findings and himself AGAIN by saying, "or it could have been someone else."

There are only a few plausible reasons for this obvious effed up behavior:

1. dementia.
2. Compulsive liar
3. Fear of what Putin/Russia would do to him if he doesn't behave and follow their directives
4. An asteroid is going to hit the earth within the next 5 years and there's nothing we can do about it.
5. We are all Russian citizens already and there's nothing we can do about it.

I'm going to go with #6, which is my usual standby to all of the Circus we see.

It's all a big spectacle to keep everybody's heads turned while the real "heist" is happening elsewhere. Trump's probably just an unwitting pawn in all of it, just like the rest of us. I have a feeling something bad probably is about to happen, and whoever is pulling those strings is probably thrilled to have Trump in the President's seat right now. If it wasn't Trump, they'd just have to do all of this from a different angle. Everybody can be manipulated. Trump doesn't need any money. All you have to do is threaten his ego and he'll be too busy writing Tweets all day to notice anything going on. I think it would probably be a lot more work to throw Hillary off the scent, or a lot more money.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 23, 2018 9:33 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Trump doesn't need any money.

Yeah - you don't understand a core motivation of what makes Trump Trump. It's always about the money. For him, his bank account directly equates to how Great he thinks he is.

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Monday, July 23, 2018 9:42 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Trump doesn't need any money.

Yeah - you don't understand a core motivation of what makes Trump Trump. It's always about the money. For him, his bank account directly equates to how Great he thinks he is.

Read the rest of my post instead of cherry picking one single sentence and you'll see that I already covered that very notion.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 23, 2018 11:28 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think none of you have any idea what Trump is doing, and why.

You're all so tied up with the idea that RUSSIA!!! is "somehow" going to "take over" the USA (if it already hasn't!!!) that you've lost sight of our REAL problems; the biggest one being that we have absolutely nothing to back our "petrodollar", and when our important trading partners stop accepting our worthless promises for their real goods, we're hosed.

What I don't understand is how all this paranoia about RUSSIA!!! managed to worm its way in so deeply. I'll bet NONE of you can describe the arena where Russia is our biggest threat, just as none of you can describe our American interests. Because you can't describe what our interests are, you have no idea how we're actually being threatened.

The deep state's/ neocon's position is that every place on the globe represents some sort of existential interest. You're so used to reacting to "crises" in faraway places that "must" be answered ... SYRIA!! UKRAINE!!! IRAQ!!! AFGHANISTAN!!! MOLDOVA!! BALUCHISTAN!! ... that if ANTARCTICA!!! or MARS!!! .... were slipped in, you'd be stressing about that too, if the media told you to!

RUSSIA!!! is not the source of our biggest problems. It is not an economic or even financial threat (China, the EU, and the BIS are more problematic) and it is NOT about to re-create the old Soviet Union. But it CAN existentially threaten us in two ways

(1) Nuclear war, and
(2) Cyberwar.

Reagan did an excellent job reducing the risk of threat(1) thru negotiation (which the neocons and deep-staters have been seeking to reverse ever since). I suggest that negotiation be re-started with the purpose of reducing our risk of nuclear annihilation, even from space.

As far as cyberwarfare is concerned, the USA's dependence on compromised operating systems like Microsoft - altho it allowed the NSA convenient access to those systems - represent a huge security risk for the many institutions and businesses that use them, not only via cyberwarfare but also criminal enterprises. If our many institutions and businesses ... utilities and grid operators, banks and financial centers, hospitals, military bases, government centers .... are too greedy or cheap to harden their systems against criminal or malicious interference (There should be a process by which a system, if compromised, can be broken down into local parts and placed under manual control) ... well then, whose fault is that? In any case, our NSA supposedly has their own cyberweaponry at the ready, so at this moment we're probably at the "mutually assured destruction" stage, and maybe negotiation is the best way to manage that. However, we would need to include other advanced nations because, unlike nuclear weapons, cyberweapons are cheap to make and the barrier to entry is low. We would need to account for criminal enterprises as well as "state actors".

*****

So keep your eyes on the four of five balls that really matter and the spin won't bother you so much.

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Monday, July 23, 2018 1:09 PM

Sig suggests that nobody here really knows what Trump is doing. Even though we have been posting about his disastrous swamp filling decisions on who will help him run the country. His destroying all our relationships with our allies around the world, as well as destroying jobs in America with his trade wars. Trade wars that encourage our trading partners to find others to trade with. Like china and Russia.

And on and on and on. All this while Sig and a few other morons here defend him. Fuck you comrade sig.

T

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Monday, July 23, 2018 4:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

meanwhile

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Monday, July 23, 2018 4:58 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

In their own words:

If it weren’t for President Obama we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set up a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today including Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. President Obama is responsible for that. It was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place. (Clapper)

because ... Obama?

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Monday, July 23, 2018 5:23 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-butina-exclusive/exclusi
ve-accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-u-s-treasury-fed-officials-idUSKBN1KC0DC in 2015

Exclusive: Alleged Russian agent Butina met with U.S. Treasury, Fed officials in 2015

Maria Butina ... had wider high-level contacts in Washington than previously known, taking part in 2015 meetings between a visiting Russian official and two senior U.S. officials.

The meetings, disclosed by several people familiar with the sessions and a report prepared by a Washington think tank that arranged them, involved Stanley Fischer, then Federal Reserve vice chairman, and Nathan Sheets, then Treasury undersecretary for international affairs. The two meetings, which have not been previously reported, reveal a wider circle of high-powered connections that Butina sought with American political leaders and special interest groups.

because ... Obama?

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Monday, July 23, 2018 6:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

historical facts:

During the 2016 election, Brennan was head of the CIA. James Clapper was director of national intelligence. James Comey headed the FBI, following Robert Mueller into the job.

because ... Obama?

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Monday, July 23, 2018 8:13 PM

Do you think kiki knows she is an audience of one.

T

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Monday, July 23, 2018 9:50 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Sig suggests that nobody here really knows what Trump is doing.

And sorry but, no, you DON'T know what Trump is really doing! All you "know" is what the media has told you, which is 45% nothing-burger, 45% breathless hysteria, 5% heavily-selected "facts" and 5% lies. You're triggered by everything he tweets and have lost sight of important trends.

****

So.

N Korea is dismantling their nuclear facilities. Did you know that?

Peace is about to break out in Syria, which Israel is going to recognize.

The NATO nations might, for the first time ever, be required to ante up their share of the bill for "mutual" self-defense.

The United States is STILL not in the TTP/ TTIP and as a result continues to have sovereignty over its environmental and labor laws, and NAFTA is being slow-walked to the death chamber.

Trump is attempting to put our oil and natgas resources at the base for our dollar's value.

Trump is also fighting the "intelligence community", which has screwed up our foreign policy time and time again in favor of everyone EXCEPT the United States!

****

Now, there are a lot of things that Trump is doing (such as the "trickle-down" tax cut and environmental policy) which I strongly disagree with.

I think we urgently need a return to Glass Steagall.

But my disapproval of Trump, like my disapproval of Bill Clinton, has nothing to do with RUSSIA!!! or personal foibles or even financial crimes, but with POLICY ... something that you seem to be entirely unfamiliar with.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Monday, July 23, 2018 11:41 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Cyberwarfare - I think that's a nothing burger. Sure, it could make life very uncomfortable for a while. But to me, nothing says 'irreversible' like pasting a blue Cherenkov radioactive glow on the planet.

Everything - and I mean everything - that Trump decides - the good, the bad, the middling - looks pretty short-term and reversible - except nuclear war.

People need to chill about all the non-nuclear-war nothingburgers.

Nuclear war is our only serious, immediate, death-knell threat.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2018 6:37 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Do you think kiki knows she is an audience of one.

I'm the only one?

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Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:07 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All you "know" is what the media has told you, which is 45% nothing-burger, 45% breathless hysteria, 5% heavily-selected "facts" and 5% lies. You're triggered by everything he tweets and have lost sight of important trends.

To be fair and accurate, we can only know what we know. Unless you are getting classified briefings then you are largely in the "educated guesses" category like the rest of us. And you don't know what our sources are, though you will lie about them to help make you feel better. Our president is dedicated a Fux New viewer and is proud of not reading, so most of us are miles ahead of him.

****

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
N Korea is dismantling their nuclear facilities. Did you know that?

I did not know that, and you don't either.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Peace is about to break out in Syria, which Israel is going to recognize.

I did not know either of those, and neither do you.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The NATO nations might, for the first time ever, be required to ante up their share of the bill for "mutual" self-defense.

"Might?" So you don't know that. Did you know that nothing has changed since Trump's visit, that they are on the same track for contributing as they were with Obama?

You are 0 for 3 so far.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, there are a lot of things that Trump is doing (such as the "trickle-down" tax cut and environmental policy) which I strongly disagree with.

I think we urgently need a return to Glass Steagall.

Totally agree - here's a pretty damning list of his environmental disasters:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-scie
nce-environment/

He is the Saruman of our world.

3 for 6

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But my disapproval of Trump, like my disapproval of Bill Clinton, has nothing to do with RUSSIA!!! or personal foibles or even financial crimes, but with POLICY ... something that you seem to be entirely unfamiliar with.

I have a great deal of problems with RUSSIA!! influencing my president. Think: influencing him is a quick way to effect POLICY.

3-7.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:14 AM

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/.premium-russia-israel-
deal-iran-away-from-border-assad-s-rule-accepted-1.6269407

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
All you "know" is what the media has told you, which is 45% nothing-burger, 45% breathless hysteria, 5% heavily-selected "facts" and 5% lies. You're triggered by everything he tweets and have lost sight of important trends. - SIGNY

To be fair and accurate, we can only know what we know. Unless you are getting classified briefings then you are largely in the "educated guesses" category like the rest of us. And you don't know what our sources are, though you will lie about them to help make you feel better. Our president is dedicated a Fux New viewer and is proud of not reading, so most of us are miles ahead of him.

To be fair, my "educated guesses" are better than yours because (1) I draw from a wider variety of sources and (2) I know more than you do; and I know people who know more than I do and (3) I look for EVIDENCE and the all-important cui bono? to parse events, as opposed to wild-eyed accusations/ off-kilter speculations. I have a pretty good idea of your "sources" based on the kinds of opinion that you bring to the board, plus the links that you (collectively) post.

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N Korea is dismantling their nuclear facilities. Did you know that? - SIGNY
I did not know that, and you don't either. - CC

It has been reported based on satellite imagery.

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Peace is about to break out in Syria, which Israel is going to recognize. SIGNY
I did not know either of those, and neither do you.- CC

EVERYBODY knows that! Even your beloved liberal press! Where have you been living the past week?

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Analysis Russia-Israel Deal Is Clear: Iran Away From Border, Assad’s Rule Accepted

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Assad eyes victory as Syrian rebels poised to leave Golan Heights
Defeated Syrian rebels near the border with the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights are preparing to evacuate the region and cede control of the frontier to Bashar al-Assad, securing a key victory for the Syrian president, whose forces are on the verge of concluding a swift campaign to reclaim control of southern Syria.
Under the deal, the Syrian military will deploy once again to its pre-2011 positions along the Golan frontier, defined by the 1974 disengagement treaty with Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/20/assad-eyes-victory-as-sy
rian-rebels-poised-to-quit-golan-heights

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Hundreds of Syrian White Helmets evacuated to Jordan through Israel

BEIRUT -- The Israeli military in coordination with its U.S. and European allies evacuated hundreds of Syrian rescue workers known as the White Helmets from near its volatile frontier with Syria, in a complex and first-of-a-kind operation. Jordanian Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi said Sunday that 422 White Helmets volunteers were evacuated, instead of the initial 800 cleared for the operation.

The evacuees, who were hemmed in from one side by advancing hostile Syrian troops and from another by militants affiliated with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), were transported to Jordan, from where they are expected to be resettled in Europe and Canada in the coming weeks.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hundreds-of-syrian-white-helmets-evacuate
d-to-jordan-through-israel-2018-07-22/

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Jihadists set ablaze UN post in Golan Heights ahead of evacuation
DAMASCUS, SYRIA (2:45 P.M.) – Extremist militants in northern Quneitra set fire on the former UN post before leaving the area as per a surrender deal with the Syrian government. The post acts as the only crossing between Syrian territories and the Occupied Golan Height, and used to be run by the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF). According to a military source, the post was used by Nusra militants to store weapons, ammunitions and various supplies provided by Israeli Army.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/jihadists-set-ablaze-un-post-in-g
olan-heights-ahead-of-evacuation-video/

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The NATO nations might, for the first time ever, be required to ante up their share of the bill for "mutual" self-defense. - SIGNY
"Might?" So you don't know that. Did you know that nothing has changed since Trump's visit, that they are on the same track for contributing as they were with Obama?- CC

Merkel and Macron are pushing for an EU force to handle the EU border, and not be so dependent on NATO.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, there are a lot of things that Trump is doing (such as the "trickle-down" tax cut and environmental policy) which I strongly disagree with.
I think we urgently need a return to Glass Steagall. - SIGNY

Totally agree - here's a pretty damning list of his environmental disasters:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-scie
nce-environment/- CC

How about Glass Steagall?

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He is the Saruman of our world.

Yeah, yeah .... whatever.

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But my disapproval of Trump, like my disapproval of Bill Clinton, has nothing to do with RUSSIA!!! or personal foibles or even financial crimes, but with POLICY ... something that you seem to be entirely unfamiliar with. SIGNY

I have a great deal of problems with RUSSIA!! influencing my president. Think: influencing him is a quick way to effect POLICY.

In what way has Russia "influenced" Trump, and HOW HAS IT HURT OUR INTERESTS?? BE SPECIFIC.

You all ... and I mean you, THUGR, JO, SECOND, and WISHY ... seem to take it as accepted fact that Putin is influencing Trump's policies to our detriment, and yet you have not been able to show a single instance of where it has happened.

If I look at Trump's policies that YOU seem to think are detrimental to our nation ...
Curbing illegal immigration
Tax cuts for the rich,
Withdrawing from "free trade" agreements and imposing tariffs on imports/ engaging in a trade war,
Environmental policies
Social policies

... where is RUSSIA'S!!! hand in any of this???

Nowhere to be found!

The thing that seems to trigger you is that Trump doesn't share your slavering fear and hatred of Russia. You seem to feel that anyone who doesn't react with total paranoia to Russia must - "somehow"- be in Putin's pocket, although you have not been able to get a bead on HOW, exactly, this causes a problem for us!

I think part of this is a reflexive reaction that anything "good for Russia" must be "bad for us", which is based on the (deeply embedded neocon) assumption that WE (the United States) have vital/ existential interests in every square in of the globe, and so any agreements/ alliances/ influences that Russia manages to cobble together with Baluchistan or Kyrgyzstan or some other who-knows-where nation represents an existential threat to "our way of life". Seriously, who the fuck cares what happens in Moldova or Albania or Bhutan? Don't we have more important things to worry about/ spend our money on?

As I gather, our whole involvement with Turkey and Syria has to do with "Pipeline-istan". "We" (the USA) have done everything we can to block natgas pipelines from Iran and Russia into Europe. I don't know whether this is because it represents a competitive problem for our (fracked) natgas exports to the EU, or a competitive problem for our petrodollar ally Saudi Arabia (v Iran), These real, practical interests should be paid attention to, but not all these phony pseudo-causes that people get so wrapped up in.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:13 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
All you "know" is what the media has told you, which is 45% nothing-burger, 45% breathless hysteria, 5% heavily-selected "facts" and 5% lies. You're triggered by everything he tweets and have lost sight of important trends. - SIGNY

To be fair and accurate, we can only know what we know. Unless you are getting classified briefings then you are largely in the "educated guesses" category like the rest of us. And you don't know what our sources are, though you will lie about them to help make you feel better. Our president is dedicated a Fux New viewer and is proud of not reading, so most of us are miles ahead of him.
To be fair, my "educated guesses" are better than yours because (1) I draw from a wider variety of sources and (2) I know more than you do; and I know people who know more than I do and (3) I look for EVIDENCE and the all-important cui bono? to parse events, as opposed to wild-eyed accusations/ off-kilter speculations. I have a pretty good idea of your "sources" based on the kinds of opinion that you bring to the board, plus the links that you (collectively) post.

I said you would lie about "my sources" and you did.

You prove that when someone is a liar it doesn't matter how much or what they know.

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Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:40 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I said I had a "pretty good idea" of your sources.

(1) I didn't say that I knew for sure what they were, and
(2) I didn't name them.

Did I say you got your opinions from Rachel Madcow, or the BBC, or Twitter, any other particular source?
No?
Well, then. How can I have "lied" about something that I didn't even say? It seems like the liar is you.

But then, I realize that you're just distracting from the rest of my post as best you can, because you have absolutely no intelligent response. So you pop up with your go-to TROLL response. I DO have to ask, tho: Are YOU five?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:07 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just so GSTRING's trolling doesn't bury my question in his bullshit

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In what way has Russia "influenced" Trump, and HOW HAS IT HURT OUR INTERESTS?? BE SPECIFIC.

You all ... and I mean you, THUGR, JO, SECOND, and WISHY ... seem to take it as accepted fact that Putin is influencing Trump's policies to our detriment, and yet you have not been able to show a single instance of where it has happened.

I challenge any of the RUSSIA!!!-obsessed paranoiacs to come up with an example of where our interests have been crossed. And if you can't (yet again) ... don't you think you should move your thinking off the "perseveration" end of the scale, and on to something more important/real?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:13 AM

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I thought this was too funny to pass up ...

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:07 AM

TV tuned to CNN on Airforce One sends Trump into rage

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/tv-tuned-to-cnn-on-airforce-
one-sends-trump-into-rage/

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018 7:24 AM

I've never actually seen Trump "rage" about anything.

Not saying it didn't happen, but hopefully Billy Bush was in attendance and will leak that recording soon.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:57 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I said I had a "pretty good idea" of your sources.

(1) I didn't say that I knew for sure what they were, and
(2) I didn't name them.

Did I say you got your opinions from Rachel Madcow, or the BBC, or Twitter, any other particular source?
No?
Well, then. How can I have "lied" about something that I didn't even say? It seems like the liar is you.

No, you definitely lied. You said: "I draw from a wider variety of sources and" - how would you know what my sources are or how many? You can't, just like you can't know the other things you pretend to. I find it so very telling that you list Twitter like it's a single source. That's like saying the Internet is a single source. And if you think so then you are well and truly effed knowledge-wise.

Did you see Israel just shot down a Syrian jet, right? How's that peace in the middle east working now?

You really believe those NK images tell the whole story? This is NK we're talking about. They bailed on a simple meeting with Pompeo. Wrong again, toots.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But then, I realize that you're just distracting from the rest of my post as best you can, because you have absolutely no intelligent response. So you pop up with your go-to TROLL response. I DO have to ask, tho: Are YOU five?

More like you're just not worth the time. Have you noticed how for some who thinks they're so smart you sure are wrong a lot? Like almost always? It has to be tough being Pro Trump because you're a Russia defender first, and then wanting people to think you're smart at the same time. "One of these things is not like the other...."

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:49 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Ok ... I ASSUME that your sources are limited because you seem entirely unaware of so many things. Bad assumption on my part: It's entirely possible that you read widely and understand almost nothing of what you read.

And still... YOU, JO, SECOND, WISHY, and THUGR... have not been able to find a single instance of RUSSIA!!! doing us harm. When the topic comes up, it's like you jump into bed and pull the covers over your head because you're afraid that "something bad" might happen without having the faintest idea of what that "something" might be. Like a five-year-old. Seriously.

The reason why I keep bringing up the idea that you should engage your brain and come up with some basic concept of AMERICAN (not Syrian, not Venezuelan, not Baluchistani or Indonesian or Malawian or the EUan or fill-in-the-blankian, but AMERICAN) interests is not (just) because I think it would be an interesting and fruitful topic of discussion, but because YOU need to give shape to your own thoughts, even if you never bring them here to this board. Otherwise, you run the risk of reacting to tweets, publicity stunts and momentary events without having an metric against which to measure them:

Is this real? is it important? Who does this benefit? Who does this hurt? Is it a distraction? Should I respond, and (if so) how?

Now, I don't know how often "you", specifically, have been wrong, but I know that people like you have been wrong quite often, having been stampeded on Afghanistan, Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, and Sudan; having been wrong about the last election; and STILL wrong ... not only about RUSSIA!!!! but also about what "most" Americans are concerned about, and the most urgent problems facing us.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:51 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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In One Year, MSNBC Covered 'Stormy Daniels' 455 Times, 'War In Yemen' 0

https://fair.org/home/action-alert-its-been-over-a-year-since-msnbc-ha
s-mentioned-us-war-in-yemen/

So, who benefits from such twisted reporting?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:53 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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In One Year, MSNBC Covered 'Stormy Daniels' 455 Times, 'War In Yemen' 0

So, who benefits from such twisted reporting?

Russia!!

Stormy Daniels is 455 times more interesting to American consumers of the MSM than the war in Yemen. You dispute that? You still don't understand how the MSM works even after I've patiently explained it about a half dozen times.

Perhaps we should ban the press or tell them what questions to ask?

https://money.cnn.com/video/media/2018/07/25/cnn-reporter-kaitlan-coll
ins-banned-white-house-press-pool.cnnmoney/index.html

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Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:32 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Perhaps we should ban the press or tell them what questions to ask?

Perhaps we should break the monopolies which own the media? Or require that all media be registered as "non profits"? Or is that too "out of the box" for you?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, July 26, 2018 2:04 PM

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Thursday, July 26, 2018 2:25 PM

Trump tells us not to believe what we see or what we hear. We should only believe what he tells us. The sadist thing is how many follow along with this shit. I had no idea so many are so stupid or so damaged. The sensible middle will fix this.
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Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:12 PM

Democrats Propose Making It Illegal To Spread False Election Information

Several congressional Democrats plan to introduce legislation Thursday that would make it a federal crime to knowingly and intentionally publish false information about elections.

The legislation would criminalize knowingly spreading wrong information related to the time and place of elections as well as voter qualifications and registration status. The bill would also make it illegal to knowingly claim an endorsement from someone within 60 days of a federal election. Anyone who spread such misinformation would be subject to up to five years in prison and a $100,000 fine.

While dirty tricks such as fliers telling people to vote on the wrong day have a long tradition in American politics, the legislation comes amid increased attention to the spread of misinformation amid Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-propose-making-it-il
legal-to-spread-false-election-information/ar-BBL62Wj

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Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:29 PM

YouTube deletes four Alex Jones videos and gives him one strike

YouTube has deleted four videos posted by InfoWars founder Alex Jones, the controversial online personality famous for peddling conspiracy theories, and issued a "strike" against him.

The strike means Jones cannot livestream content for three months. Should he receive a second strike within that timeframe, YouTube will bar him from uploading new content for two weeks. YouTube deletes accounts after a third strike within that time period.

The videos uploaded to The Alex Jones Channel contained hate speech directed toward Muslims, among other groups; one featured the headline, "How to prevent liberalism" and showed an adult shoving a child to the ground. In a blog post, InfoWars said YouTube claimed all four videos had violated its "policy on violent or graphic content."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/youtube-deletes-four-alex-jo
nes-videos-and-gives-him-one-strike/ar-BBL4dbK?OCID=ansmsnnews11

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Friday, July 27, 2018 6:43 AM

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Democrats Propose Making It Illegal To Spread False Election Information

Several congressional Democrats plan to introduce legislation Thursday that would make it a federal crime to knowingly and intentionally publish false information about elections.

The legislation would criminalize knowingly spreading wrong information related to the time and place of elections as well as voter qualifications and registration status. The bill would also make it illegal to knowingly claim an endorsement from someone within 60 days of a federal election. Anyone who spread such misinformation would be subject to up to five years in prison and a $100,000 fine.

While dirty tricks such as fliers telling people to vote on the wrong day have a long tradition in American politics, the legislation comes amid increased attention to the spread of misinformation amid Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-propose-making-it-il
legal-to-spread-false-election-information/ar-BBL62Wj

wow.
Democraps are eager to put all those Democrats in prison? Are they gay or something?

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Friday, July 27, 2018 10:33 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Democrats Propose Making It Illegal To Spread "False" Election Information

It used to be that Democrats were all for freedom of speech. Now, they seem to think that "1984" is a manual for thought-control.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Friday, July 27, 2018 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Democrats Propose Making It Illegal To Spread "False" Election Information
It used to be that Democrats were all for freedom of speech. Now, they seem to think that "1984" is a manual for thought-control.

Yup.

One of the many crazy reasons why I lean so far to the Right these days.

It's kind of insane how somewhere in the last decade the Democrats more closely resemble the old Neo-Cons than the current Republicans do.

I'm not really surprised about the whole party switch since they're really both two sides of the same coin, but it's amazing to me how hardly any of the people noticed the switch.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 28, 2018 9:02 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Democrats Propose Making It Illegal To Spread "False" Election Information
It used to be that Democrats were all for freedom of speech. Now, they seem to think that "1984" is a manual for thought-control.

Yup.

One of the many crazy reasons why I lean so far to the Right these days.

It's kind of insane how somewhere in the last decade the Democrats more closely resemble the old Neo-Cons than the current Republicans do.

I'm not really surprised about the whole party switch since they're really both two sides of the same coin, but it's amazing to me how hardly any of the people noticed the switch.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 28, 2018 9:48 AM

Funny video.

Also Funny: How you don't notice the parallels that are clear as day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, July 28, 2018 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Funny video.

Also Funny: How you don't notice the parallels that are clear as day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

False Advertising Law and Legal Definition. Advertising is the act or practice of attracting public notice and attention. It includes all forms of public announcement that are intended to aid directly or indirectly in the furtherance or promulgation of an idea, or in directing attention to a business, commodity, service or entertainment.

"All forms of public announcement." This includes elected officials when running for office. All that's left to do is enforce it.

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Saturday, July 28, 2018 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Funny video.

Also Funny: How you don't notice the parallels that are clear as day.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

False Advertising Law and Legal Definition. Advertising is the act or practice of attracting public notice and attention. It includes all forms of public announcement that are intended to aid directly or indirectly in the furtherance or promulgation of an idea, or in directing attention to a business, commodity, service or entertainment.

"All forms of public announcement." This includes elected officials when running for office. All that's left to do is enforce it.

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I agree with that. Every single one of them lies to get elected. We all know it, yet we do nothing about it.

How do you propose we go about enforcing these laws?

You'd essentially have to get all politicians to agree that they will be jailed for their lies.

I don't think this would ever happen, but the only way I see it happening is if there was a "Get out of jail free" card given to all current politicians for the lies they told to get elected. This would never pass unless the lies of the past were Grandfathered In.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, July 29, 2018 11:43 AM