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The Vietnamese that I've talked to seemed to cherish Freedom and Democracy, and wish their former country had both.

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"Spreading Democracy and open Markets around the world is a bad thing?"

I would say that spreading democracy at the point of a gun, and spreading open markets by fiat, seem inherently self-contradictory, and so, self-defeating.

I would need to know how you reconcile those to continue considering your ideas.

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I had not considered forcing a horse to drink water.
If imprisoned persons do not wish to achieve Freedom, we should not force Freedom upon them.
I don't recall hearing about many French objecting to liberation from Nazi occupation. Some of the French seemed to desire a return to Self Governing, I didn't think we forced Freedom upon them, or democracy.

I don't recall Republic of Korea Citizens ranting in opposition to being allowed self governance.

The Vietnamese that I've talked to seemed to cherish Freedom and Democracy, and wish their former country had both. About the same with Hmong, and Cambodians. They were forced into Communism, not forced into Freedom.

Rumor has it that no persons were ever recorded as breaching the Berlin Wall to escape Freedom and Democracy in favor of Communism, unlike the Official Communist Policy.

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You are ignoring the fact that there where Frenchmen and women fighting in the Resistance to free France from German occupation. Also the Dutch Resistance along with Germans inside Germany fighting to free their own people from the Nazis.

I say this as Remembrance Day is coming.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Spreading Democracy and open Markets around the world is a bad thing?"

I would say that spreading democracy at the point of a gun, and spreading open markets by fiat, seem inherently self-contradictory, and so, self-defeating.

I would need to know how you reconcile those to continue considering your ideas.

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I had not considered forcing a horse to drink water.
If imprisoned persons do not wish to achieve Freedom, we should not force Freedom upon them.
I don't recall hearing about many French objecting to liberation from Nazi occupation. Some of the French seemed to desire a return to Self Governing, I didn't think we forced Freedom upon them, or democracy.

I don't recall Republic of Korea Citizens ranting in opposition to being allowed self governance.

The Vietnamese that I've talked to seemed to cherish Freedom and Democracy, and wish their former country had both. About the same with Hmong, and Cambodians. They were forced into Communism, not forced into Freedom.

Rumor has it that no persons were ever recorded as breaching the Berlin Wall to escape Freedom and Democracy in favor of Communism, unlike the Official Communist Policy.

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You are ignoring the fact that there where Frenchmen and women fighting in the Resistance to free France from German occupation. Also the Dutch Resistance along with Germans inside Germany fighting to free their own people from the Nazis.

I say this as Remembrance Day is coming.

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I was not ignoring this, and am sorry if you really think I was. Their Government had abandoned them, capitulated to Nazis, and at minimum were a Government in Exile.

Were they successful in freeing France from Nazi occupation, prior to America expelling Germans?

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I don't recall Republic of Korea Citizens ranting in opposition to being allowed self governance.

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So, you think only South Koreans are real Koreans, and North Koreans are ... what, exactly? Perhaps you need a reminder that many Koreans in the north did far more than rant against the west's imposition of self-governance (a contradiction of ideas if there ever was one ... externally imposed self-governance). They picked up arms, and with the help of China, fought the US to a standstill. So much for all Koreans welcoming the US's imposed governance.

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The Vietnamese that I've talked to seemed to cherish Freedom and Democracy, and wish their former country had both.

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I'm going to make the same point about the North Vietnamese as I did about the North Koreans. Do you not consider them Vietnamese?

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Rumor has it that no persons were ever recorded as breaching the Berlin Wall to escape Freedom and Democracy in favor of Communism, unlike the Official Communist Policy.

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Then you simply haven't looked it up. Before the wall was built, there was migration in both directions. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0001109662.pdf However, there are no available East German immigration statistics afterward.

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