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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Accelerating down the slippery slope. The "how."

We've lost 60% of wildlife in less than 50 years
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/weve-lost-60-of-wildlife-in-les
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We're going to run out of wildlife. When they go, we go. This trend is accelerating, no thanks to reichwingers.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Accelerating down the slippery slope. The "how."

We've lost 60% of wildlife in less than 50 years
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/weve-lost-60-of-wildlife-in-les
s-than-50-years/

We're going to run out of wildlife. When they go, we go. This trend is accelerating, no thanks to reichwingers.

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No thanks to left wingers as well.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So REAVERBOT ... are you surprised that I agree with you post? Because I do, yanno. But youve been so focused on treating some people - me included- as "enemy" that you never noticed that I might be on your side. If you had stopped attacking long enugh to listen, you might have seen an ally instead of an enemy

. Instead, you spent an inordinate amount of time arguing with a fiction.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So REAVERBOT ... are you surprised that I agree with you post? Because I do, yanno. But youve been so focused on treating some people - me included- as "enemy" that you never noticed that I might be on your side. If you had stopped attacking long enugh to listen, you might have seen an ally instead of an enemy

. Instead, you spent an inordinate amount of time arguing with a fiction.

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Squirm and twist and manipulate. You just never stop.
Moron thinks "Events Discussion" is about sides and allies.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's time for all of us to accept the fact that we're not going to survive the mass extinction that's already underway. Humans will not survive another century.

Unless a billionaire has a plan to live underground for millennia, and conveniently decommissioned all nuclear plants and stored the waste safely, humans are already extinct.

Yes, we did it to ourselves.

I'm sorry, too.

I've been screaming about this since the 80's. No one gave a fuck then, and no one does, now.

We're going extinct. We need to deal with that fact.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Accelerating down the slippery slope. The "how."

We've lost 60% of wildlife in less than 50 years
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/weve-lost-60-of-wildlife-in-les
s-than-50-years/

We're going to run out of wildlife. When they go, we go. This trend is accelerating, no thanks to reichwingers.

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No thanks to left wingers as well.

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Care to back that up? Show me a pair of left wing brothers who've spent over 100 million on climate denial propaganda.

I've been screaming about this since the 80's.

I didn't have 100 million.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Our only salvation in the end will be Greed. If "saving the planet" somehow becomes profitable before it's too late, that is.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by second:
Greed will not save the world. That is like saying the secret to weight lose is to eat more, and better tasting, food.

Have you ever seen the TV show My 600 Pound Life? The weight loss doctor on that show, who tells 600 pound people to stop digging their own grave with their teeth, is in the same position as Al Gore, the famous Democrat who told people to stop digging their own graves with their purchases. The Doctor and Al Gore tell people that if they won’t do it, they will die. Well, Gore doesn’t mention death, because he was a politician, but death is implied. The Doctor has a hell of difficult time convincing his patients to slow down their eating. And remember, these people weigh 600 pounds! Al Gore doesn’t have the persuasive advantage of a Doctor whose patients struggle to move against gravity as a constant reminder that they have done the wrong thing in the past and present. Al Gore, and the Democratic Party, have to convince people to change, but the people think it is not their fault, it is the fault of the 7.4 billion people not living in America. If only those 7.4 billion non-Americans would change their ways, stop destroying the Earth, then Americans won’t have to change. So Americans take it easy and wait for the World to solve the problem without Americans’ help. Remember Trump pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement? He is taking life easy.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Remember my little anecdote about recycling and how it wasn't happening until our locals made it easy? That's The Trick - turn Americans/Humans inherent sloth and self interest back on themselves to get them to do the right thing. Think of it as Aikido Social Engineering. It has a chance. But for it to work we have to get rid of that fat orange PoS and his GOP lackeys. Otherwise you and Reaverfan will probably be right.

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Originally posted by second:My idea of Social Engineering is built on rewards and punishment. A reward example would be subsidize the cost of installing photovoltaic (PV) solar panels on a house or business building. A punishment example would be a carbon tax on fossil fuel. Both rewards and punishments revolve around money and, you know people, they don't wanna pay. They want somebody, not themselves, to pay. And that is how we get into these disastrous situations where the government won't deal in rewards and punishments because it is afraid of the majority voters, D or R. The majority doesn't wanna pay.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

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Originally posted by second:My idea of Social Engineering is built on rewards and punishment. A reward example would be subsidize the cost of installing photovoltaic (PV) solar panels on a house or business building. A punishment example would be a carbon tax on fossil fuel. Both rewards and punishments revolve around money and, you know people, they don't wanna pay. They want somebody, not themselves, to pay. And that is how we get into these disastrous situations where the government won't deal in rewards and punishments because it is afraid of the majority voters, D or R. The majority doesn't wanna pay.

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Rewards are great - they seem to have a decent success %. I'm not a big fan of punishments though - they fail a lot. Jails are full of examples. Humans are quick to push back if they think they are being punished, even if they deserve it, because they will always think it tragically unfair. So they will spend time fighting and dodging and nothing gets done.
So one possibility: rewards only. The 1% are smart and probably especially vain - give them something big and important they can put their stamp on (even their name) and let them donate to the cause at the same time. Call it Patriot Sponsorship - Freedom Skies, something something Red, White and Blue. They can have billboards and coffee table books made dipicting how they improved the air over their favorite state. Engage them in the process, "We couldn't have done it without you!" They're looking for the next ego boost - give it to them for a price.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
The fact is, it's already too late. If we did every possible thing we could right now to stop it, we would only slow it down a little.

The glaciers will melt, 90% or more of species will not be able to adapt to the changes fast enough. The plankton will die off, most of the sea life, the CO2 and methane sequestered in permafrost and the arctic will be released, accelerating even rapider increases in global temps.

Say goodbye to the polar bears and penguins, the coral reefs and rain forests. They're going and they're not coming back.

We've caused the world to slough us off like an infection. We will die out in a barren, dying, unfruitful world in which no mammals are likely to survive in a century or less. There won't be one person alive in 100 years.

Some of you may be young enough that you'll be there when the last few people finally give up and die.

I wish there was hope, but there really isn't. We're done for.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All because we allowed a few very powerful sociopathic parasites to control our economies and our media.

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All because we allowed a few very powerful sociopathic parasites to control our economies and our media.- SIGNY

Trump pulled America out of the Paris Climate Agreement. And he does have control of the American economy.- SECONF

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
On the bright side ... or not so bright side ... some people are talking about, maybe hoping for, a prolonged sunspot minimum like the Maunder minimum in the Middle Ages.

I have no idea why this idea came up; not being a solar astrophysicist I don't know if there is any way to predict long-term changes in solar output ... as far as I know there isn't, but if anyone has further info on this hoped-for (?) minimum let me know!

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Fuck off, Russian troll.- REAVERBOT

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Originally posted by JO753:
Glad to see I'm not the only wun hoo can see our impending doom.

Way back in grade skool I saw there were too many peepl on the planet, so desided to never hav kidz. The population wuz under 4 billion then.

I think 1 billion shoud be the limit. Even if the ecosystem coud support more,
wuts the point? 1 billion iz many timez more than needed for jenetic variety
and survival uv relatively local catastrofyz, so anything beyond iz just worthless massive repetition.

Sumbudy I argued with about this claimed I wuz rong kuz 'we're at 7-1/2 billion now and doing fine'.

The thing iz that the ecosystem haz been vizably cracking under the strain for decadez. The more there are uv us over the limit, the faster it crumblz.

Dimwits hoo think in termz uv their own lifespan and say 'duznt matter to me, I'll be ded befor then' shoud be sentenst to prizon and forst to woc Soylent Green, Eraserhed, Silent Running, and a few other doomzday moviez at least wuns a week for 10 yirz.



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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If I were TRULY a Russian troll, I would have posted

Global warming is Russia's friend. It opens up vast swaths of Siberia and the Arctic Ocean to agricultural development, resource extraction, and transportation. While other nations will suffer from global warming, Russia will thrive. Russia does not allow GMO agriculture, therefore Russia does not bathe huge swaths of the environment with glyphosate. Russia does not depend on globalist banks to propel its development and therefore does not flog its industry for ever-expanding profits with which to pay ever-accumulating interest, therefore Russia's development is balanced and sustainable.

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You did, just there, post it. You just made the argument that YOU are a Russian Troll.

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About the Russia vs US aspect uv this -

If you needed to put the blame on a single factor, money iz the obvious choise. It iz the real life Frankenstien monster. It iz wun uv the cornerstone inventionz that make sivilization possible, but it got out uv control and took over, spawning capitalizm and all the associated crappola thats gobbling up the planet.

I dont know - iz Russia still considered comunist? China iz, yet they hav at least az much capitalizm going on az we do.

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Climate denial is insidious and well-financed.- REAVERBOT

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Originally posted by JO753:
Its odd that I know so many peepl hoo dont hav kidz. Its a little encourajing, but not enuf to make me optimistic. I woc Steve Wilkos every weekday and all the gests are plopping out babyz all the time.

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The GRaVMIL still failz to complete a sycle. I hav a few more ideaz taking shape in my brain, but havent regained enuf enthuziazm yet to try them.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Its odd that I know so many peepl hoo dont hav kidz. Its a little encourajing, but not enuf to make me optimistic. I woc Steve Wilkos every weekday and all the gests are plopping out babyz all the time.

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All of my cousins and brothers came from families with anywhere from 2 to 5 siblings. There were 22 of us. At 40 years, I'm the oldest, and the youngest is somewhere around 23 by now I'd say. Combined, there are only 6 kids so far in the next generation.

One of my old friends has two kids (he had two sisters and a brother). About half of the rest of them have either 1 or zero kids.

I think it's kind of an "Idiocracy" thing. Most of these people are smart and did a lot of weighing things out. The people showing up on Steven Wilkos' show are idiots.

Although I do agree with and have supported food stamps and EIC payouts for children in these threads because I feel it's the only way to give unfortunate kids a leg up and try to keep them out of a life of crime, I do think we're going to have to start cutting that off at some point. Maybe make a HUGE deal about the fact that in 25 years they will be cut in half (adjusted for inflation) and in 50 years they won't exist anymore.

At the same time, provide birth control and contraceptives for free at schools. (I'm not a doctor, so maybe the birth control isn't good for young girls... but make it available to them when it is safe, anyhow).

I think the ones popping out a ton of kids were either born stupid or have really bad education. Once they've had one illegitimate kid early on in life there really isn't anything that's going to stop them from having 5 more. Maybe if they had proper sex ed in school and had the means to prevent having children provided to them for free and without judgement, they won't make a choice that will almost guaranty a bad future for them and any children they have?

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