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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

I think this works. I can always count on ZH to grab things fast.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:

Sure sounds like intent to obstruct to me.

Isn't asking people to do something illegal when you are president...I dunno... illegal???

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
I really want to know what the point of a special investigation is if he couldn't file charges/indict. Why bother with 2 years of angst if all it can be is just a data dump?

Nothing new in the report (so far) for me. Just more of the same, proving what a whack job Dump has been and will always be. He tried to obstruct on so many occasions, so don't say you (Mueller) couldn't tell what his mindset was. My chief hope is this will tarnish him for 2020, but this pos has 90 lives, so who knows. I'm sure he'll spin it like a victory and an ignorant public will believe him.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Nothing new in the report (so far) for me. Just more of the same, proving what a whack job Dump has been and will always be. He tried to obstruct on so many occasions, so don't say you (Mueller) couldn't tell what his mindset was

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

Nothing new in the report (so far) for me. Just more of the same, proving what a whack job Dump has been and will always be. He tried to obstruct on so many occasions, so don't say you (Mueller) couldn't tell what his mindset was

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Maybe it was all a blackmail to get him to do what "they" wanted him to do??

Maybe all the obstruction was just his way of trying to squirm his way out of whatever he's neck deep in. I still say the "pee tape" exists...or a worse one. Someone somewhere has him under a thumb...

If he didn't do anything he had no reason to obstruct, but he'd obstruct to keep that tape from getting out, sure as shootin'.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?

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Repeatedly, it appears Trump may have been saved from more serious legal jeopardy (even treason) because his own staffers refused to carry out orders they thought were problematic or potentially illegal.

The report from special counsel Robert Mueller III lays out in alarming detail abundant evidence against President Donald Trump, finding 10 "episodes" of potential obstruction of justice but ultimately concluding it was not Mueller's role to determine whether the commander in chief broke the law.

The special counsel's report on possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians to interfere in the 2016 election is extremely detailed with only modest redactions - painting a starkly different picture for Trump than Attorney General William Barr has offered, and revealing new details about interactions between Russians and Trump associates.

Mueller made it clear: Russia wanted to help the Trump campaign, and the Trump campaign was willing to take it.

Mueller's report suggests his obstruction of justice investigation was heavily informed by an opinion from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) that says a sitting president cannot be indicted - a conclusion Mueller's team accepted.

That decision, though, seemed to leave investigators in a strange spot. Mueller's team wrote that they "determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes." They seemed to shy from producing even an internal document that alleged the president had done something wrong - deciding, essentially, that they wouldn't decide.

More at "Mueller report lays out obstruction evidence against the president"
www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Attorney-general-to-provide-over
view-of-Mueller-13777039.php

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by second:

Come to think of it, the best way to get Trump is to show the voters he is a tax cheater. The way Trump is so protective of his returns shows that is where he is weakest. There is an extra bonus: if Trump cheated in the last 6 years, he won't be able to pardon his way out of paying the taxes he owes. Nixon and his Vice President Agnew both cheated on their taxes and they had to pay. President Ford's pardon could not excuse them from paying, although it did keep them out of jail for the crime of tax evasion.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Proper internet comment etiquette dictates that if you quote nothing more than a single question from a previous commenter, that your reply at least attempts to answer that question, or at least give a personal opinion relating to the question.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Unfortunately... I can think of a million ways he can spin any tax cheater findings, that would make him even more of a fan to his base. "Don't we hate the IRS?!? *ROAR* "Why are they always trying to take our money??" *ROAR* "Just another witch hunt!" *ROAR*

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Proper internet comment etiquette dictates that if you quote nothing more than a single question from a previous commenter, that your reply at least attempts to answer that question, or at least give a personal opinion relating to the question.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6ix, fuck you. That is proper, you goddamn jackass.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No. It's not.

You self important nitwit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by second:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No. It's not.

You self important nitwit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6ix, fuck you and your Trump. And please vote for him again. I hope I can depend on you to do the stupidest thing that will put more money in my bank.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW everybody. That's twice in one day that I got Second to drop an F Bomb my way.

Be careful. If you don't treat him with kid gloves today, he might have a stroke.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?

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Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out?

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Um, YEAH.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938423/Russian-businessman-s
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Russian businessman says he told Michael Cohen about ‘compromising tapes’ of Trump during Miss Universe in Moscow, Mueller report reveals – and didn't tell attorney they were fake

'I stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else,' wrote Giorgi Rtskhiladze (R),

The email said the tapes were held by Crocus Group, which is headed by Azerbaijan-born real estate magnate Aras Agalaro

It adds that 'Rtskhiladze said he was told the tapes were fake, but he did not communicate that to Cohen.'



Whether they are fake or not isn't the issue, it's whether or not Trump believed they were real that is. If he believed they were real he's done some pretty messed up shit or he's been so incapacitated he can't recall.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
BTW everybody. That's twice in one day that I got Second to drop an F Bomb my way.

Be careful. If you don't treat him with kid gloves today, he might have a stroke.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6ix, saying "fuck you" is the closest the internet allows to zapping 6ix with an electric cattle prod. It is the bull that feels the prod. Me, with the prod, does not feel a thing and my blood pressure stays the same. It is completely unsurprising that you don't understand that dynamic, 6ix. There are very few of the bigger things in life you (and Trump voters I know) don't get the cause-and-effect backwards or upside down, which causes them easily avoidable suffering, which in turn caused them to vote for Trump.

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Do you really think of Trump as somebody who would commit Treason to keep a pee tape from coming out? - SIX

Um, YEAH.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938423/Russian-businessman-s
ays-told-Michael-Cohen-compromising-tapes-Trump.html


Russian businessman says he told Michael Cohen about ‘compromising tapes’ of Trump during Miss Universe in Moscow, Mueller report reveals – and didn't tell attorney they were fake

'I stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there's anything else,' wrote Giorgi Rtskhiladze (R),

The email said the tapes were held by Crocus Group, which is headed by Azerbaijan-born real estate magnate Aras Agalaro

It adds that 'Rtskhiladze said he was told the tapes were fake, but he did not communicate that to Cohen.'



Whether they are fake or not isn't the issue, it's whether or not Trump believed they were real that is. If he believed they were real he's done some pretty messed up shit or he's been so incapacitated he can't recall.

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The key punch-pulling passage in the Mueller report occurs on page 2 of volume 2, or page 214 of 448, where Mueller says that “we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes.”

The sentence is so shocking I had to read it several times. Mueller is saying that his team thought about — and rejected — going through Trump’s conduct using ordinary Justice Department standards to decide if he had violated the law.

That’s more or less what the public thought Mueller was going to do.

Mueller’s stated reason is more shocking still: He wanted to be “fair” to Trump because a president cannot be indicted under Justice Department policy, and without a trial Trump couldn’t “seek to clear his name.”

The president of the United States could, of course, use the news media to defend himself. He could also be impeached by the House and defend himself in the Senate. Mueller’s “fairness” logic is contorted to the point of being almost bizarre.

We may never know for sure what Mueller was thinking when he held back from announcing Trump committed crimes, despite having evidence to support that conclusion. The leading explanation, though, should be the adage ably expressed by Ralph Waldo Emerson, and memorably repeated by Omar on “The Wire”: “You come at the king, you best not miss.”

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-19/mueller-report-pulls-pun
ches-on-if-trump-obstructed-justice-why

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Show me a rich politician and I'll show you somebody who's least embarrassing sexual endeavor was being peed on.

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Only a few Republicans at National Review took the more sober approach that even if the report didn’t uncover criminal acts, it sure uncovered lots of behavior that ought to be inexcusable in a president.

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Show me a rich politician and I'll show you somebody who's least embarrassing sexual endeavor was being peed on.

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Is there ANYTHING you wouldn't excuse Trump from doing?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Trump didn't collude, didn't obstruct, and was fully compliant w/ the investigation. He didn't issue any executive privilege

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But I certainly don't give a shit what he does behind closed doors with consenting adults.

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If Hillary had a normal affair you idiots would be screaming from the rooftops, right hypocrite?- TWITCHY

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Originally posted by rue:
“we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the president committed crimes”

Who was this 'we'? Are there names attached to 'we'? Because ... why? Was there some legal reasoning laid out for examination? When did this supposedly happen? Was it before or after they got to the bottom of the barrel?

It sounds fishy.

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But I certainly don't give a shit what he does behind closed doors with consenting adults.

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Only when it suits your purposes, right?

If Hillary had a normal affair you idiots would be screaming from the rooftops, right hypocrite?

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Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Trump didn't collude, didn't obstruct, and was fully compliant w/ the investigation. He didn't issue any executive privilege

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You didn't even bother to read the highlights, did you brainless??

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

That is very odd behavior and is extremely telling.

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Really?

Please, Wishy. I implore you to dig up any posts where I ever once piled on a politician for any of their sexual endeavors that didn't involve minors.

You won't find them, because they're not there.

Quite the contrary. The one thing I know you will find if you dug deep enough was my arguments against using a politicians sexual proclivities and/or exploits to ruin and/or silence them, specifically in the case of Elliot Spitzer, when he was bringing a fight to Wall Street before the DOW crashed in 2008. They got dirt that he paid a "Girls Gone Wild" star $5,000 per hour for some "escort" service and shut him up good, shortly before the DOW crashed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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6ix, your interpretation is wrong because what you remember is not what happened. Spitzer first drew the attention of federal investigators when his bank reported suspicious money transfers under the anti-money laundering provisions of the Bank Secrecy Act and the Patriot Act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#Prostitution_scandal

Spitzer wanted to transfer more than $10,000 to a front company for the prostitution ring. However, he broke up the transactions into smaller slices due to federal law requiring the reporting of any transfer of $10,000 or more. When he tried to get his name taken off the wires, the bank refused, saying that the money had already been wired out and that it would be improper to do so in any case. The IRS Criminal Investigation Division then began a probe, initially fearing that Spitzer was the victim of either extortion or identity theft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer_prostitution_scandal

Spitzer did not learn from experience. He got into more prostitution trouble in 2016:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Spitzer#2016_extortion_scandal

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol...

Wow. That's a lot of false data the NSA or one of the other alphabet agencies put on Wikipedia after the fact.

You're wrong. Wikipedia is wrong.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:



What I read doesn't change the facts. You're angry at me because I'm stating a fact. Our President didn't collude or obstruct. He's not a Russian puppet, and this has triggered you.

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