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Thursday, December 7, 2006 9:30 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by piratenews:

No, that's a 10-year-old photo by NASA's latest Lunar Orbiter, decades after Apollo, which proves conclusively-

Hold on there, Tex! That doesn't 'conclusively' prove ANYTHING, except that photoshop may be a wonderful thing. Talk, in person, to someone who carbon dated a 'so-called Moon rock' themselves, and find out the truth directly, not from links that lead to suspect and highly controllable pixels.

You conspiracy theory is fun, but too complicated. True conspiracies keep it simple, don't ya know.

Jerry Fletcherisall(is this gonna post twice? Must be a conspiracy)

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Thursday, December 7, 2006 12:48 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Citizen:
Not more pictures of martian children being sodamised by George Bash Knight of the Nazi-Jew Empire



ROFL

I think I have to weigh in on the ChirsIsAll side of things. I seriously looked over the fake-moon conspiracy, and decided that it's possible that some of the television events were faked for effect, such as the flag planting, but that the moon landing was real.

Think about it this way. It's incredibly difficult to get something to come off right when you're filming it on a hollywood set. Think about having your setting on an inhospitable planet you've never been to, with technology you've just invented, over distances you've never tested. It would be almost impossible for them to stage a televised event to go off without a hitch. All america was watching, and so, if something went wrong, they had to go to plan B. Get a bunch of guys in space suit onto a sound stage and tell America that it was the astronauts.

So sure, you could prove that the flag-planting scene was faked, but doing that doesn't prove much. If you can see space junk on the moon from here (anyone have a link) then sure, we were there. It's the sort of thing pre-meth america was capable of.

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Thursday, December 7, 2006 12:51 PM

DREAMTROVE


FMF, you may be the only actual democrat here. As someone who sometimes attends their meetings, I probably come in second :)
There are a wide variety of liberals, but I think it's best to let the attempt to spark a partisan feud lie.

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Saturday, December 9, 2006 7:44 AM

CRUITHNE3753


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Look Ma - NO ROCKET EXHAUST!


Ah, Mr. Wizard, we saw the ignition on this, and you sort of need 'air' for full-blown 'exaust' to be visible.

Set and match Chrisisall



Not only that, the LM was fuelled with hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, which produces a flame not visible in the visible spectrum... if it had been an IR camera it would have shown a bright flame.

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Saturday, December 9, 2006 10:27 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
the LM was fuelled with hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, which produces a flame not visible in the visible spectrum...

Thanks for the technical backup, Cruithne!

Together, we have blown PN's theories out of the water. Wonder what kind of retraction he'll post?

Dreaming Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 9, 2006 11:28 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


I've never understood this. How many people know that N2O4/Hydrazine doesn’t burn in the optical? How many people even know that these are rocket propellants? If the moon landings were staged, then someone was trying to fool the public, a public that doesn’t, in general, know that a propellant that wasn’t hypothetically used anyway doesn’t burn in the optical. So it makes sense to me that if the moon landings were faked that there would be a plume on the lander, since that is what the public would expect to see. If you’re going to fake something, you don’t fake it by making it look different from how someone thinks it should look.



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Saturday, December 9, 2006 11:38 AM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you’re going to fake something, you don’t fake it by making it look different from how someone thinks it should look.


The final nail in this PirateNews conspiracy theory blunder coffin. Thanks Finn.

Still waiting for a reasoned responce, PN. *taps foot on ground impatiently*

I ask too much Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 9, 2006 11:43 AM

CITIZEN


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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you’re going to fake something, you don’t fake it by making it look different from how someone thinks it should look.

Number one rule of Sci-Fi TV, give 'em what they expect. Like when a spaceship flies past, it'll make a noise, right. Rockets have exhaust, right. People will accept something as realistic if it's what they expect rather than what actually happens.



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Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:08 AM

RABBIT2


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You stupid American! Can you not see that the government merely put tiny models on every telescope so that it looks like they are on the Moon.

There are no Americans, PirateNews is an agent of the Spanish and the Vatican trying to maintain the vast conspiricy that the world is round.
All of us realy know THAT ITS FLAT! It says so in the bible so it must be true.

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:02 AM

AURAPTOR

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Is there intelligent life on planet Earth? BLUE SKY on "mars" set proves NASA is faking it again. How can NASA parachute rockets on Mars which has almost no atmosphere? How come the "Mars Rover" never runs out of electricity when solar power is so weak, and never tips over during Martian hurricanes?


*How can NASA parachute rockets on Mars which has almost no atmosphere?

*....never tips over during Martian hurricanes?

If there's almost no atmo, how can there be hurricanes?

DUH!!

I know I'm not the only one who tires of morons who lie , troll and waste our time by filling up message boards with endless post of nothing but 100% pure conspiratorial bullshit.

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Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:31 AM

RABBIT2


Amen to that.

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Monday, December 11, 2006 6:44 PM

SIRI


OK - I'm not wanting to get into the "It's a conspiracy." "No. It's true" argument.

But I do want to post about a discussion I heard on NPR tonight. I didn't hear the whole thing bc I had a class but they were indeed talking about a possible moon base - I think 2024 is the target. There were quite a few details, such as, the initital structure would be about the size of a trailer, and some discussion of underground living. It was suggested that money currently budgeted for the space station would be redirected to this project as the space station is being dismantled.

So, if it's true and we're headed in that direction - I'm excited. We have to start somewhere.

Did anyone else hear the program? You can probably go to the NPR site and listen.


Siri

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Monday, December 11, 2006 9:19 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Is there intelligent life on planet Earth? BLUE SKY on "mars" set proves NASA is faking it again. How can NASA parachute rockets on Mars which has almost no atmosphere? How come the "Mars Rover" never runs out of electricity when solar power is so weak, and never tips over during Martian hurricanes?


*How can NASA parachute rockets on Mars which has almost no atmosphere?

*....never tips over during Martian hurricanes?

If there's almost no atmo, how can there be hurricanes?

DUH!!

I know I'm not the only one who tires of morons who lie , troll and waste our time by filling up message boards with endless post of nothing but 100% pure conspiratorial bullshit.



Yes, you're a troll. When I point out an obvious discrepancy of 2 conflicting realities, as alleged by NASA, you and your insanity accuses ME of stating those claims.

Either you're a retard, or you're a govt dinfo traitor. Which is it? We already know citizen and hero are confessed govt agents, who have endless time 24/7/365 to post their brainwashing on FFF.

I notice you ignore the giant golfball on "mars", as alleged by NASA.


Mars Global Surveyor MOC Image m1501228 - Copyright NASA
Apollo astronot hit golf ball to MARS. DOH!
http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/html/m15012/m1501228.html


Is there intelligent life on planet Earth?

After NASA got caught with their pants down regarding the blue sky on "mars", all future alleged photos from "mars" were colorized with red sky, or were simply desaturated to black and white....


www.enterprisemission.com/spirit2.htm




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"How are we going to get to the Moon when we can't even talk between two buildings? I can't hear a word you're saying!"
-Gus Grissom, Apollo 1, famous last words before he and his crew were burned alive on the launch pad during a "routine" test (11 Apollo astros died violent deaths ON EARTH during Apollo program)

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name APPOLLyOn. This is the great dragon of chapter 12, Satan or Azazel. He has a number of names, but in each case, he is the king of all the demons, Lucifer, who became Satan."
-Revelation 9:11, Christian Bible (KJV with Forerunner Commentary)

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NASA lunar orbiter map of GAMMA RAYS on Moon surface, WHICH HAS HIGHER GAMMA RADIATION THAN THE SURFACE OF THE SUN
http://lunar.lanl.gov/pubs/1998/1484.html

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Global Elemental Maps of the Moon: The Lunar Prospector Gamma-Ray Spectrometer

Lunar Prospector gamma-ray spectrometer spectra along with counting rate maps of thorium, potassium, and iron delineate large compositional variations over the lunar surface. Thorium and potassium are highly concentrated in and around the nearside western maria and less so in the South Pole-Aitken basin. Counting rate maps of iron gamma-rays show a surface iron distribution that is in general agreement with other measurements from Clementine and the Lunar Prospector neutron detectors.

Here we present spectra (Fig. 1) measured from 16 January to 16 June, 1998. Another 7% of the data were not used because of high backgrounds associated with solar energetic particle events that occurred from 20 April to 10 May.

This 5-month data set represents less than half of the total data that will be gathered during the prime mission. For comparison, the combined Apollo 15 and 16 GRS data set contained only 12.6 min per 5° × 5° selenographic latitude/longitude pixel at the equator.

The correction for the cosmic ray flux variations was made by normalizing the data to the count rate of gamma- rays between 8 to 8.75 MeV.

The 8 to 8.75 MeV gamma-ray counting rate therefore represents the baseline gamma-ray production from the moon that varies according to the flux of galactic cosmic rays.



THAT'S 8-MILLION ELECTRON VOLTS.

THE HUMAN BODY RUNS ON 10 ELECTRON VOLTS...

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However, there are some discrepancies between the Lunar Prospector Gamma Ray Spectrometer measurements and sample measurements as neither the Apollo 12 (open square), Apollo 15 (closed diamond) or Apollo 14 (closed circle) data fall uniquely on a straight line with the remaining data.

However, we also see high gamma-ray counting rates in regions that do not appear to correlate with the high iron regions from the Clementine data.

13 July 1998; accepted 11 August 1998



Hmmm... "Discrepancies with Apollo"... "high gamma-ray counting rates"...

Smells like bullshit.



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Monday, December 11, 2006 10:13 PM

PIRATENEWS

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Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
the LM was fuelled with hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, which produces a flame not visible in the visible spectrum...

Thanks for the technical backup, Cruithne!

Together, we have blown PN's theories out of the water. Wonder what kind of retraction he'll post?



smells like bullshit, or as NASA calls it, "that fishy smell" of hypergolics.

Quote:


"The forward primary thrusters sound like exploding cannons at thrust onset; and during their firing, jets of flame shoot out from the orbiter's nose. ...The orbiter reacts to the primaries' shove by shaking slightly and moving very noticeably. For the crew on board, a series of attitude changes using primaries resembles a World War I sea battle, with cannons and mortars firing, flashes of flame shooting in all directions, and the ship's shuddering and shaking in reaction to the salvos."


Reaction Control System thruster firing on the space shuttle, taken from Joseph P. Allen's book Entering Space. Shuttle thrusters use similar fuel as Apollo Lunar Lander

The lunar ascent module engine had a 15000 N (3500 lb) thrust. The attitude control thrusters for the Apollo C/SM and LM (which had four sets of quadruple thrusters) had 490 N (110 lb) of thrust each. In comparison, the 38 thrusters for shuttle orbit control each have a nominal thrust of 3870 N (880 lb), with a range from 3114 N to 5338 N. Why is the exhaust visible from the 3870 N shuttle thruster but not from the 15000 N lunar ascent module engine?
www.ocii.com/~dpwozney/apollo1.htm



Apollo Lunar Lander, however, was allegedly in total silence, both while taking off and landing. Both takeoff and landing require CONSTANT rocket thrust for long periods of time, especially when within several miles altitude of the surface.

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Hypergolic propellants are fuels and oxidizers which ignite on contact with each other and need no ignition source. This easy start and restart capability makes them attractive for both manned and unmanned spacecraft maneuvering systems. Another plus is their storability — they do not have the extreme temperature requirements of cryogenics.

The fuel is monomethyl hydrazine (MMH) and the oxidizer is nitrogen tetroxide (N2O4).

Hydrazine is a clear, nitrogen/hydrogen compound with a "fishy" smell. It is similar to ammonia. Nitrogen tetroxide is a reddish fluid. It has a pungent, sweetish smell. Both fluids are highly toxic, and are handled under the most stringent safety conditions. Hypergolic propellants are used in the core liquid propellant stages of the Titan family of launch vehicles, and on the second stage of the Delta.

The Space Shuttle orbiter uses hypergols in its Orbital Maneuvering Subsystem (OMS) for orbital insertion, major orbital maneuvers and deorbit. The Reaction Control System (RCS) uses hypergols for attitude control.

www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/nasafact/count2.htm


APOLLO LUNAR MODULE

WEIGHT: Empty: 3920 kg (8650 lb)
Crew & Propellant: 14,700 kg (32,500 lb)


FUEL: 50-50 mix of Unsymmetrical Dimethyl Hydrazine (UDMH) & Hydrazine

OXYDIZER: Nitrogen Tetroxide

THRUST: Descent Engine: 44,316 Newtons (9870 lb) maximum
4710 Newtons (1050 lb) minimum

THRUST: Ascent Engine: 15,700 Newtons (3500 lb)

www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/attm/nojs/a11.am.lm.1.html



But official NASA artwork shows hydrazine rocket exhaust flames shooting out the butt of the apollo Lunar Lander:



The Apollo LEM rocket exhaust was so hot that it was GUARANTEED to MELT the legs off the LEM before it reached the surface of the Moon. Therefore, the hydrazine rocket motor was REQUIRED to be TURNED OFF 8 feet before touchdown. Hence the 8-foot-long "curb feelers" hanging down below the LEM's landing gear footpads. Engine shutoff at 8-foot altitude resulted in freefall of the 10,000-pound LEM, breaking the legs of the LEM, and breaking the legs of the astronots, since they were only allowed STANDING ROOM ONLY. No chairs and no seatbelts on the LEM... The slightest movement by the astronots while the engine was burning would result in out-of-control rotation and CRASH, due to unstable center of gravity movement...




Apollo 17: Look Ma - NO FRIGGIN ROCKET EXHAUST!!!

This is the closest the LEMs got the THE Moon:



PS: That's EARTH!

Quote:


“The Apollo 1 programme was in such disarray that America would never make it to the Moon.”
-Thomas Baron, NASA Apollo 1 Massacre safety inspector

One week later Baron, his wife and daughters were murdered by a train, and his 500 page NASA report disappeared...



Yeah, Uncle Scam and Tricky Dick Nixon walked on the moon, while slaughtering 2.5-million Vietnamese, who still kicked USA's ass, just like Iraq...


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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:24 AM

ROCKETJOCK


Okay PN, we get it. No amount of evidence, no counter-argument, no other opinion matters, because you can yell louder and post more images than everyone else.

Why do we even dignify this yahoo by responding to his posts?

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:44 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by RocketJock:

Why do we even dignify this yahoo by responding to his posts?



Wait RocketJock! Y'know, all those paintings of rocket-blasting LM's and talk of hydraziney propellants have really changed my mind! I...I think he's RIGHT! There ARE more gamma rays on the Moon than a sun could produce!

MY GOD I'VE BEEN SO STUPID!!!!!!


...didja buy it? Chrisisall

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:21 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by piratenews:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Is there intelligent life on planet Earth? BLUE SKY on "mars" set proves NASA is faking it again. How can NASA parachute rockets on Mars which has almost no atmosphere? How come the "Mars Rover" never runs out of electricity when solar power is so weak, and never tips over during Martian hurricanes?


*How can NASA parachute rockets on Mars which has almost no atmosphere?

*....never tips over during Martian hurricanes?

If there's almost no atmo, how can there be hurricanes?

DUH!!

I know I'm not the only one who tires of morons who lie , troll and waste our time by filling up message boards with endless post of nothing but 100% pure conspiratorial bullshit.



Yes, you're a troll. When I point out an obvious discrepancy of 2 conflicting realities, as alleged by NASA, you and your insanity accuses ME of stating those claims.



You didn't quote NASA, you presented those two conflicting items as support of your argument. You said nothing in your original post about their contradicting one another. You cited those two items as evidence of your claim.

Damn, not even you can keep your bullshit straight.

Now hop back on the shortbus with your little stuffed parrot, and go the hell away.

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:00 AM

AURAPTOR

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Yes, you're a troll. When I point out an obvious discrepancy of 2 conflicting realities, as alleged by NASA, you and your insanity accuses ME of stating those claims.

Either you're a retard, or you're a govt dinfo traitor. Which is it? We already know citizen and hero are confessed govt agents, who have endless time 24/7/365 to post their brainwashing on FFF.



I point out YOUR retard logic, and you call me the troll ? ROFLMAO! NASA has no conflicting realities, only YOU do. Those ARE your claims, clam shit for brains.

Your post, in full was the following:
- " Is there intelligent life on planet Earth? BLUE SKY on "mars" set proves NASA is faking it again. How can NASA parachute rockets on Mars which has almost no atmosphere? How come the "Mars Rover" never runs out of electricity when solar power is so weak, and never tips over during Martian hurricanes? "

I didn't bother w/ the blue sky nonsense, as NASA always points out when they use false imaging to show the contrast in their photos. Mars DOES have an atmo, though it's thinner than what we have here on Earth, which is why NASA does use parachutes to slow down their entry vehicles. You're the moron who voices cynicism over this point.

You've been completely debunked and defrocked. Get back under the sea sludge from whence you crawled.

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Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:22 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL


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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Wait RocketJock! Y'know, all those paintings of rocket-blasting LM's and talk of hydraziney propellants have really changed my mind! I...I think he's RIGHT! There ARE more gamma rays on the Moon than a sun could produce!

All the paintings have pretty plumes on them, because of course, the paintings are just renderings of what people thought. Most of which were painted before the actual event, but in many cases, artists continued (and still continue) to add plumes for visual effect, even today, when we know that there was no visible plume on the lander. People have an idea of what they expect to see and often that can be more powerful then the truth.

As far as blue sky on mars, why not? The earth’s blue sky is caused by Rayleigh Scatting, and there’s no reason to believe that the same laws of physics don’t also apply on Mars. Two problems: first, the Martian atmosphere is full of fine iron oxide dust and properly color corrected images from Mars, often show the atmosphere to be a butterscotch color (yellowish) because of this dust. Second, cameras used on Mars landings are digital and digital cameras must be calibrated and their images processed. Some of the images from Mars, particularly the early ones, are poorly calibrated and render bad results. These are the ones that show the Martian sky as red. No, the Martian sky is not really red; that was a result of bad calibration or image processing. But there are properly color corrected images that show the Martian sky as blue, and in fact, the sky should be blue. Typically the Martian sky is a lighter blue then earth’s at the zenith (overhead), but very yellowish near the horizon (where the dust is thickest.) At certain times or regions when or where the dust is very, very fine or very low in concentration the Martian sky appears blue all over, just like the earth’s.



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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:34 AM

CHRISISALL


Finn, that was clear, logical, factual....
PN should find some way to dismiss it .

Gave him his chance Chrisisall

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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 10:42 AM

STEGASAURUS


I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but not only have we gone to The Moon, but we're actually still there. No Cosmonauts nor Astronauts were harmed during the making of this film...



And the war rages on...

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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Stegasaurus:
I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but not only have we gone to The Moon, but we're actually still there. No Cosmonauts nor Astronauts were harmed during the making of this film...



And the war rages on...



I hate to thunk it, but robots will probably be the only lifeform able to survive the nuclear gamma and x-radiation on The Moon. Perhaps the Moon Robot Army will someday attack and overthrow humans on Earth, ie Battlestar Galactica. Instead of Cylons, Moonons.



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Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Wait RocketJock! Y'know, all those paintings of rocket-blasting LM's and talk of hydraziney propellants have really changed my mind! I...I think he's RIGHT! There ARE more gamma rays on the Moon than a sun could produce!

All the paintings have pretty plumes on them, because of course, the paintings are just renderings of what people thought. Most of which were painted before the actual event, but in many cases, artists continued (and still continue) to add plumes for visual effect, even today, when we know that there was no visible plume on the lander. People have an idea of what they expect to see and often that can be more powerful then the truth.

As far as blue sky on mars, why not? The earth’s blue sky is caused by Rayleigh Scatting, and there’s no reason to believe that the same laws of physics don’t also apply on Mars. Two problems: first, the Martian atmosphere is full of fine iron oxide dust and properly color corrected images from Mars, often show the atmosphere to be a butterscotch color (yellowish) because of this dust. Second, cameras used on Mars landings are digital and digital cameras must be calibrated and their images processed. Some of the images from Mars, particularly the early ones, are poorly calibrated and render bad results. These are the ones that show the Martian sky as red. No, the Martian sky is not really red; that was a result of bad calibration or image processing. But there are properly color corrected images that show the Martian sky as blue, and in fact, the sky should be blue. Typically the Martian sky is a lighter blue then earth’s at the zenith (overhead), but very yellowish near the horizon (where the dust is thickest.) At certain times or regions when or where the dust is very, very fine or very low in concentration the Martian sky appears blue all over, just like the earth’s.


Smells like bullshit. I doubt anyone here is dumb enuff to buy that turd, unless employed by Uncle Scam or the German British Queen of Babylon. NASA's official engineering art showed rocket exhaust from the LEM:

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The lunar excursion module descent engine (illustrated above)


Amazing silent engine that flies from Earth to Moon without rocket exhaust
www.northropgrumman.com/news/072004_moon_anniv.html


http://images.jsc.nasa.gov


NASA Apollo 17 video: Look Ma - No friggin rocket exhaust!



The actual exhaust color of the hydrazine fuel used on the LEM was RED, not blue, as faked in Tom Hanks' latest Apollo miniseries funded by NASA. It's a slightly different mixture than the shuttle, which looks whitish on video. Do a google serch for official photos of the testfirings on Earth of the LEM engines. You won't find them... Bill Kaysing ran the engineering library for Rocketdyne during Apollo, and saw the LEM engines with red exhaust on Earth, kicking boulders at high velocity. If it's such an important part of human history, why is it censored from the history books?

Hey bonehead, are you blind, stupid, or a disinfo agent? NASA's own photos and videos show BOTH blue sky and red sky on "Mars", ON THE SAME DAY AT THE SAME EXACT TIME. That means they're faking it, with the "mars Rover" still roving on Earth, probably the Antarctica desert (no snow), or Utah, where the Mars Habitat Simulators are officially located.


Apollo Simulator Project Version 2.0 in Mars, Utah, USA
http://w3.marsstuff.com/MDRS/fs05/crew45/
http://new.marsstuff.com/groups/AnalogsTF/index_html


Bad scifi in Mars, Utah, USA
http://w3.marsstuff.com/mdrs/fs05/
www.marshome.org


From the Earth to the Moon by Hollywood rocket scientists Opie and Tom Hanks PhDuh lacks any DVD commentary from the "real" Apollo astronots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon_(HBO)
www.space.com/entertainment/050923_ent_earthtomoon.html
www.imax.com/magnificentdesolation/

Note that NASA and Wikipedia refer to the "moon" (lower case), which is defined in dictionaries as a Hollywood studio on Earth. The REAL "Moon" is spelled upper case, as a proper name. Lowercase "earth" is a generic term for dirt. All other planets and satellites in the Earth's Solar System are spelled uppercase as proper names. So when NASA NAZIs, who genocided 25,000 slaves in underground ICBM factories in Nazi Germany, say their astronots walked on the "moon" (lower case), they're not lying, since they are confessing they only walked on a Hollywood-style movie studio on Earth. They're telling the truth while simulatneously telling a lie (fraudulent concealment is a felony). Luciferian Freemasons in NASA define this tactic as "hoodwinking".

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Hoodwink - The secrecy, silence, and darkness in which the mysteries of our masonic art should be preserved from the unhallowed gaze of the profane." - Dr. Albert Mackey 33°, Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

Hoodwink - 1. to blindfold 2. to mislead or confuse by trickery; dupe - Webster's New World Dictionary, 3rd College Edition

moon - 5. anything shaped like the moon - vi. 1 to behave in an idle, dreamy, abstracted way, as when in love - Slang - to engage in the prank of exposing one's buttocks in public - Webster's New World Dictionary, 3rd College Edition

lunacy - LUNATIC 1. a) intermittant insanity, formerly supposed to change intesity with the phases of the moon. b) mental unsoundness; insanity. 2 great folly or foolish act. SYN. INSANITY - Webster's New World Dictionary, 3rd College Edition

"I will obey all signs and summons handed to me by a chapter of Masons. I will assist a Mason when I see him engaged in any difficulty whether he be right or wrong. I promise and swear to forever conceal and never reveal any of the secrets of Masons or Masonry under no less penalty than to have my throat cut across from ear to ear, my tongue plucked out by the roots; my heart taken from under my left breast; my body cut across, my bowels taken out; my body dissected into four equal parts to hang and remain a terror to all those who shall presume to violate the sacred obligation of a Mason."
-3rd-degree initiation rituals of Freemasonry, President John Quincy Adams in his book "Letters on Freemasonry"
www.texemarrs.com

"A man was shot in the head with a gun that was supposed to be loaded with blanks, cops said. The shooter pulled out the wrong weapon - a loaded .32-caliber handgun - and fired a round into James' head, Detective Lt. Jack Fitzpatrick said. Police also removed a guillotine from the hall."
-"Masonic initiation ritual turned deadly"
www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/masonic_murders.htm

"Freemasons have long been accused of Satanic practices as seen in the illustration of the Baphomet from Leo Taxil's The Mysteries of Freemasonry, 1897." Source: Archives of the Supreme Council, S.J., 33°
-Scottish Rite Journal, "I Was Called a Satanist Today", Feb 2002
www.srmason-sj.org/web/journal-files/Issues/Feb02/moss.htm

"The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the 19th Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
-homosexual Jewish Masonic pope General Albert Pike Soverign Grand Commander Scottish Rite of Freemasonry 33, court martialed for treason for the British Empire and indicted for warcrimes and cannibalism during US Civil War and founder of the Ku Klux Klan KKK terrorist gang, Masonic bible "Morals and Dogma" page 321
www.srmason-sj.org

"A strange ritual of a dark and ominous character took place at Tranquillity Base on the moon. Astronaut Neil Armstrong carefully took out his Masonic apron and held it up for the cameras over his space suit as if to cover his genitals area-the power center, or dynamo, of Luciferian energy in Masonic ritual. Today, a photograph of Armstrong holding his occultic apron hangs on a wall at the House of the Temple, the sanctuary of the Scottish Rite, in Washington, D.C. Next, brother Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin, at the time a 32nd-degree Masonic initiate, planted on the 'moon's' surface the real flag intended for honor, the flag the Apollo 11 had carried in its storage compartment, the flag with the Scottish Rite's emblem of deep and mysterious spirituality, the doubleheaded eagle."
-The Eagle Has Landed! Magic, Alchemy, and the Illuminati Conquest of Outer Space, by Professor Texe Marrs PhD USAF Intelligence
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5230352501705525326&q=%22the+e
agle+has+landed%22

www.texemarrs.com/032003/eagle_has_landed.htm

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. This is the great dragon of chapter 12, Satan or Azazel. He has a number of names, but in each case, he is the king of all the demons, Lucifer, who became Satan."
-Revelation 9:11, Christian Bible (KJV with Forerunner Commentary)

MUSIC VIDEO: WE NEVER WENT TO THE MOON
by UFOetry and Pirate News TV
Winner Best Filmed Music at L.A. Indies 2006
Winner Best Music Video at Los Angeles Music Awards 2005
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2886227591617986924&sourceid=
docidfeed&hl=en

www.piratenews.org/hollywood.html

NASA APOLLOSCAM VIDEO DOWNLOADS: Apollo astronots punch, kick and put CIA murder contracts on journalists paying them to swear on a Bible they walked on THE Moon
www.piratenews.org/video-archive.html




Tricky Dick Hoagland Separated at Birth on the Red/Blue Planet?
www.enterprisemission.com


"You can't stop the signal! But you can be a moron if you want."
-Mr Universe, Pirate TV

FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
http://radio.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/8912.php
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
.1044556

www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
www.piratenews.org


Does that seem right to you?
www.scifi.com/onair/

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Friday, June 7, 2019 4:10 PM

JAYNEZTOWN



Donald J. Trump
?Verified account realDonaldTrump

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1137051097955102720

For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!

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Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:35 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Wait...

Did Trump just say that the moon is a part of Mars?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, June 8, 2019 8:52 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Mars is boooring. Titan is the place to go. It's got electric boots and mohair suits, and a drive-thru Taco Bell. I read it in a magazine.

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Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:18 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


I think this dates back to the 'Vision' after the loss of the Shuttle, Vision for Space Exploration and Constellation program. There could be a way to explain the confusing tweet ....


... All of the new Moon Mars goal goes back to the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster occurred early in President George W. Bush Jnr, the Pres Bush then announced new science for NASA and using the Moon as a stepping stone to then onto Mars not unlike his Fathers own goal. The Father's original Mars vision they say its already had cost over runs and a bloated budget 90-Day Study estimated SEI's long-term cost at approximately 500 billion dollars spread over 20 to 30 years. The execution of the initiative was assigned to NASA, but the initiative did not survive long into the administration of the next president, Bill Clinton. On April 1, 1992 Dan Goldin became NASA Administrator, and during his tenure near-term human exploration beyond Earth orbit was abandoned, and the "faster, better, cheaper" strategy was applied to space science robotic exploration. The Vision of Bush Jnr after another Shuttle Disaster this new vision may have also failed. The funding and budgets were looked at with the ongoing cost of the War in Iraq and a possible looming recession, a lot of new upcoming missions were cut or cancelled Jupiter Icy Moons Orbiter (JIMO), a gravity telescope LISA, a planet hunter TPF etc all cut https://interestingengineering.com/11-exploration-projects-dropped-by-
nasa-that-we-would-have-loved-to-see
Upon taking office, President Obama declared Constellation to be "over budget, behind schedule, and lacking in innovation, more cuts would follow? On the positive side NASA does have a Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle (HLV/SLS) a new spacecraft called Orion and Exploration Vehicles, and maybe a good thing for NASA is compeeting other agency and nations like China, ESA, Russia, Japan have started to ctach up with NASA and give it competition. There is also the private sector guys like Musk the Space X Falcon (rocket family) the guys like Blue Origin / Virgin Galactic and the private sector taking payloads into space for a fee.

Who actually believed NASA would make it back to the Moon and onto landing men on Mars by 2019 anyway?


The other older idea, Mars Direct is a proposal for a human mission to Mars which purports to be both cost-effective and possible with current technology. It was originally detailed in a research paper by Martin Marietta engineers Robert Zubrin and David Baker in 1990, and later expanded upon in Zubrin's 1996 book The Case for Mars. It now serves as a staple of Zubrin's speaking engagements and general advocacy as head of the Mars Society, an organization devoted to the colonization of Mars. Part of Zubrins vision continues in a group called the Mars Society, the purpose of the Mars Society is to encourage the human exploration and settlement of the Red Planet. Who knows what political vision Trump will put forward for NASA he seems to be unpreditable even at the best of times.

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Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:08 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I realize that Twitter limits your posts to a finite amount of words, and I also realize that your average American these days has the attention span of a gnat.

Maybe Trump meant all of that when he made that confusing post. Maybe he didn't.

If he did though, he's got to do better than that going forward with his tweets. That tweet is low hanging fruit that is virtually indefensible because of how stupid it looks. With the media hounding him for everything he says and does, I would recommend either making what he was really saying more clear or simply not tweeting about the subject at all.

I'd also advise that he never use parenthesis in his tweets again either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:20 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, April 28, 2021 3:49 PM

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One of NASA's firsts gone. Michael Collins, astronaut from Apollo 11 crew, dies at 90

https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/npr/509599284/apollo-11-a
stronaut-michael-collins-dies

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Amarillo native leads NASA Gateway Program to create moon orbiting space station

https://news.yahoo.com/amarillo-native-leads-nasa-gateway-152904996.ht
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NASA has to be trolling with the latest cost estimate of its SLS launch tower
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/08/nasas-second-large-launch-tower-
has-gotten-stupidly-expensive
/
"NASA officials informed us they do not intend to request a fixed-price proposal."


Bush junior's Vision for Space Exploration, January 2004

cuts and changes and bits are added on over the years as Presidents come and go and it eventually became this

Gateway / Artemis type of 'vision'



,

Bush 43rd President
a 20+ years old vision





to give that idiot little Bush credit he did open up routes for the 'Private Sector' which eventually helps guys like Musk to private delivery to space

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