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If Trump and the GOP were really serious about the 11,000,000 illegal aliens living inside the USA, the GOP would budget $10,000 per alien, or $20,000, for their removal. But when they do the math and see it is $110 to $220 billion, which is a small fraction of what these jackasses spend every year on their worthless Army that can't win a war, the GOP just doesn't want to pay.

The GOP doesn't have to remove all aliens in one year and pay the whole $220 billion in 2020. They could budget over 5 or 10 years, but the GOP just won't pay for it. They would much rather bitch about it and, if my experience in Texas is true for the other 49 states, the wealthiest Trump voters I know want to surreptitiously keep those 11,000,000 aliens around because they are low wage labor for the richest businesses. The Citizenship question is a very, very cheap method for the GOP to pretend they are doing something about illegal aliens.

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As well as using it to keep stoking deep seated hatred from their base for those filthy brown folk from south of the border, and using it like jet fuel for their political gains. *cough*
They really are nothing more than a prop at this point.

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Originally posted by second:
If Trump and the GOP were really serious about the 11,000,000 illegal aliens living inside the USA, the GOP would budget $10,000 per alien, or $20,000, for their removal. But when they do the math and see it is $110 to $220 billion, which is a small fraction of what these jackasses spend every year on their worthless Army that can't win a war, the GOP just doesn't want to pay.

The GOP doesn't have to remove all aliens in one year and pay the whole $220 billion in 2020. They could budget over 5 or 10 years, but the GOP just won't pay for it. They would much rather bitch about it and, if my experience in Texas is true for the other 49 states, the wealthiest Trump voters I know want to surreptitiously keep those 11,000,000 aliens around because they are low wage labor for the richest businesses. The Citizenship question is a very, very cheap method for the GOP to pretend they are doing something about illegal aliens.

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As well as using it to keep stoking deep seated hatred from their base for those filthy brown folk from south of the border, and using it like jet fuel for their political gains. *cough*
They really are nothing more than a prop at this point.

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Dude. My step dad is Mexican. His mom and dad came here legally. He was the youngest of ten kids, and they all grew up in a train box car while picking cotton in the fields all day. He was the first in his family to get a college degree.

HE talks about border control more than anybody I know. ESPECIALLY when they were living in Arizona.

Ya'll can stick it up your ass with that "hate brown people" stuff already.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I've got to say at this point everybody should just let it go.

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I've got to say at this point everybody should just let it go.

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The long history of the citizenship question as a political weapon wielded by racists and xenophobes

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I've got to say at this point everybody should just let it go.

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The long history of the citizenship question as a political weapon wielded by racists and xenophobes

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Fuck you.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I haven't been in this thread until now. The question of citizenship seems so obvious and so straightforward that I can't see why it SHOUDN'T be on the census. It has nothing to do with racism. If you're figuring out voting districts and numbers of representatives, then it seems straighforward to me that you should be using potential voters .... citizens... as your base of calculation, not non-citizens who don't have the power to vote.

Why are we even still talking about this?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So what? The citizenship question has been in the Census for decades, it makes sense that it should be there. AS USUAL, SECONDRATE, you're turning another event into your own personal crusade against ... well, whoever you're targeting at the moment.

Give it a rest. Quarantine your sense of butt-hurt once in a while and you'll make more sense.

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Prosecutors To Drop Trump Org Investigation With No Charges

A months-long federal investigation into whether Trump organization officials violated campaign finance laws appears to be coming to a close without a single charge being filed, according to CNN, citing people familiar with the matter.
Trump org CFO Allen Weisselberg

New York federal prosecutors have been investigating whether company executives broke the law, "including in their effort to reimburse Michael Cohen for hush-money payments he made to women alleging affairs with his former boss, President Donald Trump," according to the report.

In recent weeks, however, their investigation has quieted, the people familiar with the inquiry said, and prosecutors now don't appear poised to charge any Trump Organization executives in the probe that stemmed from the case against Cohen.



In January, one month after Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison, prosecutors requested interviews with executives at the company, CNN reported. But prosecutors never followed up on their initial request, people familiar with the matter said, and the interviews never took place.

Meanwhile, there has been no contact between the Manhattan US Attorney's office and officials at the Trump Organization in more than five months, one person familiar with the matter said. -CNN

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Dude. My step dad is Mexican. His mom and dad came here legally. He was the youngest of ten kids, and they all grew up in a train box car while picking cotton in the fields all day. He was the first in his family to get a college degree.

HE talks about border control more than anybody I know. ESPECIALLY when they were living in Arizona.

Ya'll can stick it up your ass with that "hate brown people" stuff already.

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One of these days, SECOND, I hope you untwist your brain enough to see reality. Not holding my breath, tho; you're driven by a near lifelong revenge, like Captain Ahab.

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In order to apportion congressional representatives among the States, the
Constitution requires an “Enumeration” of the population every 10 years, to be made “in such Manner” as Congress “shall by Law direct,”
I,§2, cl.3; Amdt. 14, §2.

In the Census Act, Congress delegated to the Secretary of Commerce the task of conducting the decennial census “in such form and content as he may determine.”
13U. S. C. §141(a).

The Secretary is aided by the Census Bureau, a statistical agency in the Department of Commerce. The population count is also used to allocate federal funds to the States and to draw electoral districts. The census additionally serves as a means of collecting demographic information used for a variety of purposes. There have been 23 decennial censuses since 1790. All but one between 1820 and 2000 asked at least some of the population about their citizenship or place of birth. The question was asked of all households until 1950, and was asked of a fraction of the population on an alternative long-form questionnaire between 1960 and 2000.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This is the first part of the decision. So far, these all sound like very good reasons to include the question.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Dude. My step dad is Mexican. His mom and dad came here legally. He was the youngest of ten kids, and they all grew up in a train box car while picking cotton in the fields all day. He was the first in his family to get a college degree.

HE talks about border control more than anybody I know. ESPECIALLY when they were living in Arizona.

Ya'll can stick it up your ass with that "hate brown people" stuff already.

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Whatever. Jack's bored again.

"Ya'll can stick up your ass (if you can find it) for being too dumb to see the obvious." Trump hates non white immigrants with a burning passion. He's happy they are living in filth and their kids are being separated and their situation is crap and even more so that Democrats are weeping about it all over MSM tv. Fear is a great motivator - pain compliance. He knows his base better than you do.

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I'm white and I hate dumb ass white people.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Once again, you have no proof that he hates anybody. You hate him. I know you won't argue that. So you believe what you want to believe about him and say whatever it is you want to say about him. Then you insult people who don't believe the shit you make up.

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Have I ever once here given you the impression that I'm lying about anything in my real life?

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Who lies about being desperate enough to get a racoon out of the attic that while they were ammonia bombing their attic they actually thought long and hard about dropping trow and peeing on the raccoon's shit up there?

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Him being a child of LEGAL Mexican parents who came here and struggled to make their children's lives better the right way, and then being the STRONGEST and LOUDEST supporter for border control I know DOES.

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Good for you. I've already beat you to that too. I'm sure you could dig up where I've said that 90% of the people I knew growing up were white and I couldn't stand at leas 70% of them.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Do you actually know WHAT it was that Trump retweeted? The actual text? Or are you just taking somebody's word for it that it was racist?

Because *I* looked it up.

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Quote that quote, SLOPPY SECONDS. Every single word - in order, without reformatting. And defend how exactly HOW it's racist.

Or STFU.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Not racist.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote that quote, SLOPPY SECONDS. Every single word - in order, without reformatting. And defend how exactly HOW it's racist.

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Originally posted by SLOPPY SECONDS:
1kiki, go back to Russia, you trolling bitch! Remember that, 1kiki? You were going to sue me about that, but I don't see anything racist or inflammatory or libelous, which are in the eye the beholder. Then why did you and Signym go to a lawyer about me? Explain it to me, 1kiki. Why didn't the two of you sue?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote that quote, SLOPPY SECONDS. Every single word - in order, without reformatting. And defend how exactly HOW it's racist.

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1kiki, go back to Russia, you trolling bitch! Remember that, 1kiki? You were going to sue me about that, but I don't see anything racist or inflammatory or libelous, which are in the eye the beholder. Then why did you and Signym go to a lawyer about me? Explain it to me, 1kiki. Why didn't the two of you sue?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Quote that quote, SLOPPY SECONDS. Every single word - in order, without reformatting. And defend how exactly HOW it's racist.

Or STFU.- KIK

1kiki, go back to Russia, you trolling bitch! Remember that, 1kiki? You were going to sue me about that, but I don't see anything racist or inflammatory or libelous, which are in the eye the beholder.

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Then why did you and Signym go to a lawyer about me? Explain it to me, 1kiki. Why didn't the two of you sue?

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Whatever, idiot.

Same old shit we've been hearing for three fuckin' years now.

How's that working out for you, loser?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh dear. You STILL don't understand libel law? Defamation is anything that you communicate that 1) isn't provably true and 2) could harm the reputation of the person that you're defaming and 3) isn't about a "public person" (in which case a more stringent threshold applies). Libel is simply defamation in written form.

Go look it up SECONDRATE. For such a "smart" person you seem disconnected from reality.

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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says Nancy Pelosi is "singling out newly elected women of color"

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I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm's distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood," Ocasio-Cortez told The Washington Post about Pelosi. "But the persistent singling out.?.?. it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful.?.?. the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color."

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The party has been riven by infighting over the past week, sparked by an interview Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) gave to The New York Times last Sunday in which she made remarks about the freshman congresswomen that were seen by some as dismissive.

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Pelosi feels that the four made themselves irrelevant to the process by voting against “our bill,” as she put it, which she felt was the strongest one she could get. “All these people have their public whatever and their Twitter world,” she said. “But they didn’t have any following. They’re four people and that’s how many votes they got.”
“If the left doesn’t think I’m left enough, so be it,” she told me.

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According to multiple reports, Pelosi chastised the younger members at a closed-door caucus meeting Wednesday, saying, "You got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it. But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just okay."

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The tensions within the party escalated after Ocasio-Cortez told The Washington Post that she felt Pelosi was targeting women of color, though the New York Democrat said she doesn't believe the Speaker is racist.
The dispute was further amplified on Friday after the House Democratic Caucus's official Twitter account tore into Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, over comments he made about Rep. Sharice Davids (D-Kan.), who is Native American.

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The caucus’ criticism of Chakrabarti centered on comments he made about Rep. Sharice Davids (D-Kan.) last month.
In an exchange with a Twitter user, Chakrabarti charged that Davids was among a group of Democrats voting “as a block to criminalize immigrants.”
At that time, Davids had just voted to pass a bill for emergency federal appropriations for both humanitarian aid and security at the U.S.-Mexico border, meaning President Donald Trump’s wall.
The only Democrats who voted against the House version of the bill were Ocasio-Cortez and her so-called squad of congressional newcomers: Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.).

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In a public jab at the chief of staff, the House Democrats’ account posted a screenshot of Chakrabarti’s old tweet on Friday, asking why he was singling out Davids, and telling him to “keep her name out of your mouth.” The account also accused him of “singling out a Native American woman of color.”
The scuffle began earlier this week when Chakrabarti, in a tweet that has since been deleted, compared moderate Democrats to segregationists.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh dear. You STILL don't understand libel law? Defamation is anything that you communicate that 1) isn't provably true and 2) could harm the reputation of the person that you're defaming and 3) isn't about a "public person" (in which case a more stringent threshold applies). Libel is simply defamation in written form.

Go look it up SECONDRATE. For such a "smart" person you seem disconnected from reality.

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In reality, Trump lost his case at the Supreme Court on the Citizenship Question. Look it up:

Trump Lied to the Supreme Court, and Four Justices Don’t Care

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/trumps-census-case-confessio
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The White House insisted allegations that it wanted to add a citizenship question to the survey for political reasons were conspiracy theories, right up until the moment the president confirmed them.

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What was the date that Trump attended the Supreme Court, and personally spoke to the Justices in the Courtroom?

OR ARE YOU LYING, YET AGAIN?

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The whole idea for the Citizenship Question was Trump's brainstorm. When his lawyers discovered he had been lying to them about his motives, they resigned. Then Trump had to give up on the case because he had no lawyers to tell his lies to the courts. This was only last week. Have you already forgotten? Or did you never understand what happened?

"Judge stops government lawyers quitting census question case"
www.apnews.com/637bd7eeb9f84b1cb1ed4d2d9571a062

JewelStaiteFan, take note that all 9 lawyers working on Trump's case for the Citizenship Question quit all at the same time. It wasn't 2 or 3 or 4. It was all of them. Trump completely screwed those lawyers with his lies. They knew it and that is why they quit.

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Oh dear. You STILL don't understand libel law? Defamation is anything that you communicate that 1) isn't provably true and 2) could harm the reputation of the person that you're defaming and 3) isn't about a "public person" (in which case a more stringent threshold applies). Libel is simply defamation in written form.

Go look it up SECONDRATE. For such a "smart" person you seem disconnected from reality.

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In reality, Trump lost his case at the Supreme Court on the Citizenship Question. Look it up:

Trump Lied to the Supreme Court, and Four Justices Don’t Care

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/trumps-census-case-confessio
n/593488/

The White House insisted allegations that it wanted to add a citizenship question to the survey for political reasons were conspiracy theories, right up until the moment the president confirmed them.

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What was the date that Trump attended the Supreme Court, and personally spoke to the Justices in the Courtroom?

OR ARE YOU LYING, YET AGAIN?

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The reasoned explanation requirement of administrative law, after all, is meant to ensure that agencies offer genuine justifications for important decisions, reasons that can be scrutinized by courts and the interested public. Accepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise. If judicial review is to be more than an empty ritual, it must demand something better than the explanation offered for the action taken in this case.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh dear. You STILL don't understand libel law? Defamation is anything that you communicate that 1) isn't provably true and 2) could harm the reputation of the person that you're defaming and 3) isn't about a "public person" (in which case a more stringent threshold applies). Libel is simply defamation in written form.

Go look it up SECONDRATE. For such a "smart" person you seem disconnected from reality.

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In reality, Trump lost his case at the Supreme Court on the Citizenship Question. Look it up:

Trump Lied to the Supreme Court, and Four Justices Don’t Care

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/trumps-census-case-confessio
n/593488/

The White House insisted allegations that it wanted to add a citizenship question to the survey for political reasons were conspiracy theories, right up until the moment the president confirmed them.

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What was the date that Trump attended the Supreme Court, and personally spoke to the Justices in the Courtroom?

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JewelStaiteFan, as you are well aware, Trump refuses to testify under oath because to be caught perjuring is a felony, even for a President.

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In order to apportion congressional representatives among the States, the
Constitution requires an “Enumeration” of the population every 10 years, to be made “in such Manner” as Congress “shall by Law direct,”
I,§2, cl.3; Amdt. 14, §2.

In the Census Act, Congress delegated to the Secretary of Commerce the task of conducting the decennial census “in such form and content as he may determine.”
13U. S. C. §141(a).

The Secretary is aided by the Census Bureau, a statistical agency in the Department of Commerce. The population count is also used to allocate federal funds to the States and to draw electoral districts. The census additionally serves as a means of collecting demographic information used for a variety of purposes. There have been 23 decennial censuses since 1790. All but one between 1820 and 2000 asked at least some of the population about their citizenship or place of birth. The question was asked of all households until 1950, and was asked of a fraction of the population on an alternative long-form questionnaire between 1960 and 2000.

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This is the first part of the decision. So far, these all sound like very good reasons to include the question.

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