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what do you see as the number one threat to humanity

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
On the same note as my last thread, what DO you see as the number one threat to humanity, and the number one threat to the health of humankind, as it stands... TODAY?

HINT: It's probably NOT war, anti-biotics, or even climate change.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
On the same note as my last thread, what DO you see as the number one threat to humanity, and the number one threat to the health of humankind, as it stands... TODAY?

HINT: It's probably NOT war, anti-biotics, or even climate change.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
On the same note as my last thread, what DO you see as the number one threat to humanity, and the number one threat to the health of humankind, as it stands... TODAY?

HINT: It's probably NOT war, anti-biotics, or even climate change.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

HOWEVER - it's not all of us, all of the time, driving the problem. It's not even most of us. Or even a fair chunk of some of us. It's a very few of us.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

HOWEVER - it's not all of us, all of the time, driving the problem. It's not even most of us. Or even a fair chunk of some of us. It's a very few of us.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Ok, that's just plain delusional.

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Every day every one of us does something stupid to help kill the planet or ourselves. You really believe "MOST" people recycle?

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You think "most" people that go to the beach care if the sunscreen is killing the ocean?

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Spend much time protesting the shit they poison our food supply with?

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DO you keep track of the toxic byproducts from the production of EVERYTHING you buy????

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and more pointless blah blah blah

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This planet is going to die because we are too stupid NOT to kill it.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Well, Wishy... Given your outline and 100% unwinnable situation you've laid out before us, it seems that the only truly responsible way to handle the situation is to stop breathing.

I'll let you get from A to B there, since there seems to be no telling what the courts would decide in the wake.

My actual recommendation to you would be to get psychiatric help fast.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I'm aware of it - but - like everyone else on the planet, I have little choice. . *I* didn't make the choices so that those things are the way they are.

You LIKE to think *YOU* know what's up, but *YOU* fail to ask yourself basic questions. For example, *WHO* made those decisions about what will be manufactured, sold, used, and dumped*?

Because *I* know *I* didn't decide that since 1950 tons of a combination of 80,000 synthetic chemicals should be released into the environment every year.


And how is the majority of *US* going to be represented in this supposed democracy? What is our government going to do about it? Yanno, the people - especially democrats - who tell us they have our best interests at heart and are our champions?


*Every single Superfund toxic site - from the early Hudson River GE PCB dump (1947 - 1977) and Love Canal (1940s) sites and forward - are due to manufacturing and industrial companies that *US* - you, me, the citizenry - had nothing to do with.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You just argued yourself into being wrong.

I'll let you figure out how.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Well, Wishy... Given your outline and 100% unwinnable situation you've laid out before us, it seems that the only truly responsible way to handle the situation is to stop breathing.

I'll let you get from A to B there, since there seems to be no telling what the courts would decide in the wake.

My actual recommendation to you would be to get psychiatric help fast.

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Ok, sure, I'll stop breathing...why don't you go first though? I'll catch up

I'm the rational realistic one here to say that the actions of 8 billion people are an un-tameable force that is so far past our ability to ever hope to control or contain and *I'm* crazy... for stating the obvious???

Whoo boy are ye dense. Like a concrete building block. Nadda damn thing in there.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:


As you've been arguing both here and the other thread, there's not a single goddamned thing in the world that you can do about any of it.


Sometimes I worry about your mental well being, Wishy.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
HOWEVER - it's not all of us, all of the time, driving the problem. It's not even most of us. Or even a fair chunk of some of us. It's a very few of us.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
This planet is going to die because we are too stupid NOT to kill it.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
(And here I argue it's lack of agency by the vast majority, because the choices were made by a very few without us.)

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Due to lack of choice or because we're mindless idiots MAKES NOT A DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE.

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All that chatter just to agree with me

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WISHIMAY:
Due to lack of choice or because we're mindless idiots MAKES NOT A DAMN BIT OF DIFFERENCE.

And for the record, I said nothing about it being hopeless. WE do have the ability to change course if we - the majority - seize the initiative. Whether we do or not is a question, but it's not beyond possibility.

You have deep problems with reality, honesty, and ego.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
And for the record, I said nothing about it being hopeless. WE do have the ability to change course if we - the majority - seize the initiative. Whether we do or not is a question, but it's not beyond possibility.

You have deep problems with reality, honesty, and ego.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:


BAHAHHHAHAA... (whatever)

You think "the majority" are going to put the planet on some kind of environmental protection lockdown and that *I* have problems with reality.
Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah. Hah. hah hahah.



If someone buys a bottle of water, and if there's an absence of trash cans throws the bottle on the ground, how does it make a single iota of difference to the environment if someone does the same thing just to be an ass????????????

Result is still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottle on ground. Duh.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Anybody who buys a bottle of water that doesn't live in a place like Flint, Michigan or somewhere else that the water is unsafe or at least absolutely unpalatable IS the problem.

They might as well just throw the bottle wherever they feel like it with the damage they've already caused by voting yes to bottled water with their wallets.

[If you don't hear from me tomorrow, it's because I've had an "accident" in the middle of the night brought to you by Coca-Cola or PepsiCo.]



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You know, sometime people buy bottled water for portability, so they can drink something of known quality* when they're not at home. (*Though the perception that bottled water is cleaner and safer is not necessarily true.) It's not always about yuppies drinking 'status' water out of entitlement.

Solve the portability problem with something people can make at home, that won't build up a biofilm on re-use, and you've solved a lot of the bottled water problem. But the biggest part of the problem is the plastic. Mandate that plastics have to be environmentally safe and you've got the plastic problem fixed.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You know, sometime people buy bottled water for portability, so they can drink something of known quality* when they're not at home. (*Though the perception that bottled water is cleaner and safer is not necessarily true.) It's not always about yuppies drinking 'status' water out of entitlement.
Solve the portability problem with something people can make at home, that won't build up a biofilm on re-use, and you've solved a lot of the bottled water problem. But the biggest part of the problem is the plastic. Mandate that plastics have to be environmentally safe and you've got the plastic problem fixed.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Well, for sure anybody who buys FIJI is a douche without any arguments whatsoever...
But that entitlement aspect is not what I'm talking about here.
We don't need mandates or taxes either, although like anything else the taxes probably would curb the behavior. There's currently a $0.10/per bottle "deposit" for plastic bottles in the entire city of Chicago. I LOVE the term "deposit" here because it's a blatant lie and there is nowhere you can go to turn these in to get your dime back anywhere. It's a straight up tax that they're not calling a tax. But that means if you buy a 35 pack of water, you're paying an extra $3.50 in taxes if you buy it in the city of Chicago.

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There's plenty of ways to take water on the go.

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There has been since plastic was invented, and arguably before that when glass was still all the rage.
People are lazy though. They're willing to pay the price of water that's no different than the water out of their tap because they can't be bothered to clean a bottle and fill it up on their way out the door.

Entitlement or laziness, it makes no matter to the environment.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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There's more to a plastic water bottle than meets the eye. Knowing its environmental impact just might make a person think twice about grabbing bottled water from the grocery store shelf. The Pacific Institute, a nonprofit research organization, estimates that the energy used in the production and use of plastic bottles is equivalent to filling the bottles one-quarter full with oil. (Oil affects global warming by producing high quantities of greenhouse gases when it's burned.) Here's a deeper dive into the carbon footprint of a plastic water bottle.

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But if you want, I won't argue that point any further since maybe I just grew up in Waterworld in the south suburbs of Chicago.

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It still doesn't negate the fact that you can buy plastic sports bottles nearly anywhere for a few bucks that are completely safe to drink out of, are dishwasher safe, are easy to clean by hand, and can be reused a billion times. You can even easily add ice to them, which isn't so easy to do in store bought bottled water.

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Many places actually have stricter government rules on the purity and filtration than the companies selling bottled water do.

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If you have a little funk taste in your water at home in any of these areas, it's most likely the old pipes you have in your house ...

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A simple water filter attached to the kitchen sink takes care of that, easy peasy.

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If we can't even agree that for at least 90% of Americans that purchase bottled water today that it's just as safe and almost as easy to have great tasting water on the go instead of being lazy and buying bottled water for the convenience, then how are we ever going to make any progress doing better as a species in the bigger picture?

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https://sciencing.com/carbon-footprint-plastic-bottle-12307187.html

There's more to a plastic water bottle than meets the eye. Knowing its environmental impact just might make a person think twice about grabbing bottled water from the grocery store shelf. The Pacific Institute, a nonprofit research organization, estimates that the energy used in the production and use of plastic bottles is equivalent to filling the bottles one-quarter full with oil. (Oil affects global warming by producing high quantities of greenhouse gases when it's burned.) Here's a deeper dive into the carbon footprint of a plastic water bottle.

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That said, there are many ares in the United States that don’t have access to safe tap water, Gleick says. So it’s important to do your own research and ensure that what you’re drinking is safe. The quality of the tap you get at home could also have to do with your plumbing. “A city could deliver perfectly safe and tasty water to your house, but if your water tank is corroded, your PCV pipes are crumbling, or you have lead or copper fixtures, your water may not be healthy to drink,” Rotye says.

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one stupidity after another ad hominem after another strawman

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Jack, you have not a single FACT to back up your reply.

Dispute the facts or STFU.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The plastic itself is fine if you meet all of those specs. (Which we don't by a long shot since right off the bat 70% of water bottles don't get recycled).

But you've still got to consider all of the gasoline that is used every single day to transport this water too. Unlike local systems that reclaim the water then just put it right back into the system where the pressure is always on and the only thing necessary to transport it into your cup is turning on a faucet, that water people drink out of a bottle might have been shipped via truck 1,000 miles before it reaches its final destination.

I'm not saying that nobody should drink it. But people should be more mindful of the impact they make when they do before making that decision. ESPECIALLY those who can't shut up about the environment out of the other side of their mouths. People need to question if it's simply a matter of taste or whether or not there is a legitimate health concern if they drink out of the tap. It doesn't just magically show up on the store shelves.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Whatever. It's called denying facts.

BTW - I'm sorry your ego is too fragile to debate FACTS with a FEMALE who might actually know more than you.


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Well... I figured with how forcefully you were defending those that drink bottled water, I was pretty sure that you did yourself and weren't just arguing on their behalf.

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We're simply on the same page that anybody who does it because they're too lazy to put it in a washable bottle is part of the problem.

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They're voting with their wallet that the status quo is just fine by them.

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If you actually have legitimate cause for concern that your local water is contaminated, then you safely fall in the minority of people in America that have valid health concerns about what's in their water.

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But at the end of the day, only 30% of plastic water bottles get recycled.

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The rest end up in landfills or incinerated or in our lakes and rivers. Pulling it up,

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treating it and then transporting it around the world leaves such a large carbon footprint that you can fill 1/4 of that water bottle in your hand with oil and that's how much was used to get it in your hands.

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It also can cost up to 2,000 times more to buy it than tap water.

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More than half of bottled water IS tap water.

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Unlike municipalities, the big corporations that make bottled water are not required to release their testing results to the public (why is that, I wonder?)

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I'm not going to agree with you that the corporations here are culpable for how the bottles are made.

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They have voted with their wallet, and any concerns they pretend to have about the environmental impact of their choices have been negated by those very same choices.

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They're happily willing to pay an absolutely ridiculous amount for water that's free out of their tap.

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Then, 70% of them don't even bother to recycle the bottles when they're done because as lazy as they already were they can't even fucking be bothered to do that.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Jack, you have not a single FACT to back up your reply.

Dispute the facts or STFU.

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Google it.

Half of what I said were in links I already posted too.


Feel free to bring up any specific points that you don't agree with, but I will strike them down when you do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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That's a different argument. If you want to go down that path we could talk about every single thing that every single person buys and enjoys but isn't necessary for sustenance.

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We're talking about water that is essentially free and safe to drink, yet people out of laziness pay up to 2,000 times the price at a much greater cost to the environment. Something that is already readily available to them by flipping a faucet and not even needing to leave their own house.

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Besides. It's impossible for anybody to grow a crop of tobacco for themselves in their backyards. It would be as stupid as trying to grow your own potatoes, which nobody does, BTW. Google it.

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Bottled water companies have relied on predatory marketing practices and exorbitant lobbying efforts to sell Americans on the inaccurate belief that pre-packaged water is cleaner and safer than tap water—a notion that is costing U.S. households about $16 billion per year.

In a new report entitled "Take Back the Tap," Food & Water Watch explains that 64 percent of bottled water comes from municipal tap water sources—meaning that Americans are often unknowingly paying for water that would otherwise be free or nearly free.

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