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Majority of House Democrats now support Trump impeachment inquiry

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Trump casts doubt on Russian interference in 2020 election

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-casts-doubt-on-russian-i
nterference-in-2020-election/ar-AAFeQBO?ocid=spartandhp

Benedict Arnold Trump continues to work on behalf of the Russians.

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We now need to add grand wizard to Trumps title. And clan members when describing the trolls here. You know, the usual bunch. sig kiki jack rappy jsf JONGSSTRAW and jtown.

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Trump casts doubt on Russian interference in 2020 election

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-casts-doubt-on-russian-i
nterference-in-2020-election/ar-AAFeQBO?ocid=spartandhp

Benedict Arnold Trump continues to work on behalf of the Russians.

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We now need to add grand wizard to Trumps title. And clan members when describing the trolls here. You know, the usual bunch. sig kiki jack rappy jsf JONGSSTRAW and jtown.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Downloaded 800 million times and never read once after they realized how long it was and it's like reading a 400 page cell phone contract.

What's your point?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Robert Mueller on Whether Trump Could be Indicted

The former special counsel fielded questions on Donald Trump, ethics, and Russia’s interference in the 2016 Presidential election.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Downloaded 800 million times and never read once after they realized how long it was and it's like reading a 400 page cell phone contract.

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I opened up the Mueller Report randomly and found this story about Trump ordering people to lie and the people told Trump they would not:

2. The President Seeks to Have McGahn Dispute the Press Reports

On January 26, 2018, the President’s personal counsel called McGahn’s attorney and said that the President wanted McGahn to put out a statement denying that he had been asked to fire the Special Counsel and that he had threatened to quit in protest.784 McGahn’s attorney spoke with McGahn about that request and then called the President’s personal counsel to relay that McGahn would not make a statement.785 McGahn’s attorney informed the President’s personal counsel that the Times story was accurate in reporting that the President wanted the Special Counsel removed.786 Accordingly, McGahn’s attorney said, although the article was inaccurate in some other respects, McGahn could not comply with the President’s request to dispute the story.787 Hicks recalled relaying to the President that one of his attorneys had spoken to McGahn’s attorney about the issue.788

On February 4, 2018, Priebus appeared on Meet the Press and said he had not heard the President say that he wanted the Special Counsel fired.791 After Priebus’s appearance, the President called Priebus and said he did a great job on Meet the Press.792 The President also told Priebus that the President had “never said any of those things about” the Special Counsel.793

The next day, on February 5, 2018, the President complained about the Times article to Porter.794 The President told Porter that the article was “bullshit” and he had not sought to terminate the Special Counsel.795 The President said that McGahn leaked to the media to make himself look good.796 The President then directed Porter to tell McGahn to create a record to make clear that the President never directed McGahn to fire the Special Counsel.797 Porter thought the matter should be handled by the White House communications office, but the President said he wanted McGahn to write a letter to the file “for our records” and wanted something beyond a press statement to demonstrate that the reporting was inaccurate.798 The President referred to McGahn as a “lying bastard” and said that he wanted a record from him.799 Porter recalled the President saying something to the effect of, “If he doesn’t write a letter, then maybe I’ll have to get rid of him.”800

Later that day, Porter spoke to McGahn to deliver the President’s message.801 Porter told McGahn that he had to write a letter to dispute that he was ever ordered to terminate the Special Counsel.802 McGahn shrugged off the request, explaining that the media reports were true.803 McGahn told Porter that the President had been insistent on firing the Special Counsel and that McGahn had planned to resign rather than carry out the order, although he had not personally told the President he intended to quit.804 Porter told McGahn that the President suggested that McGahn would be fired if he did not write the letter.80S McGahn dismissed the threat, saying that the optics would be terrible if the President followed through with firing him on that basis.806 McGahn said he would not write the letter the President had requested.807 Porter said that to his knowledge the issue of McGahn’s letter never came up with the President again, but Porter did recall telling Kelly about his conversation with McGahn.808

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I opened up the Mueller Report randomly and found this story about Trump ordering people to lie and the people told Trump they would not:

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Assistant House speaker Ben Ray Lujan backs impeachment inquiry

WASHINGTON — Assistant House Speaker Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M., on Monday became the highest ranking House Democrat to call for opening an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/assistant-house-speaker-ben-ra
y-lujan-backs-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAG1FVj?ocid=spartanntp

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Assistant House speaker Ben Ray Lujan backs impeachment inquiry

WASHINGTON — Assistant House Speaker Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M., on Monday became the highest ranking House Democrat to call for opening an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/assistant-house-speaker-ben-ra
y-lujan-backs-impeachment-inquiry/ar-AAG1FVj?ocid=spartanntp

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lol whatever

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I feel 98% certain that at some point we'll see his returns. Will I be confident they are his actual returns? They've almost become like Obama's birth certificate or Epstein's "suicide." And even if they are shown and they reveal the kind of corruption that Cohen pointed to, will anything happen? I know the NY AG is pressing hard, but until I hear that an action or crime by Trump can lead to the FBI doing a Manafort on him, I won't get too excited.

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Just impeach the guy already.

I don't understand why we're still talking about it.



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Might be best to just keep gathering facts until Trump loses in 2020. Then put him in jail and fine him into bankruptcy.

After all, Barr will be gone first thing and they can put Mueller back in charge. Fun to think about.

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Seriously.

WTF are you waiting for?

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Seriously.

WTF are you waiting for?

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Trump's tax fraud is the thing I am most certain he is guilty of. Back in the real world, 81 to 84 percent of Americans also think it is wrong. If accountants can show that Trump underpaid his taxes by a few billion dollars, I think even Republicans would insist he pay those taxes, although they wouldn't want him to go to jail for it. That will be where the Democrats disagree. They'd want 5 years in federal prison for Trump.

Estimates of U.S. Federal Revenue Lost to Tax Evasion by guys like Trump run into the trillions of dollars, enough to cut the deficit to zero. Even Republicans would like a zero deficit! They'd want Trump to pay, although they would quibble over the exact amount.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States#Estimat
es_of_lost_government_revenue

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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So you've said.

100 times.

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Wouldn't it be smart to wait to impeach? Think about it. If Trump loses all his wrong doings will hit the courts where he'll surely lose tons of money in lawyer fees and fines. Jail is also on the table if dems win. No way the voters would allow for Trump to be pardoned.

Now, if he wins. On the day he is sworn in the dems hit him with impeachment. Anyway you look at it it's a win.

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What was the Resolution number which started this Impeachment Investigation?

The House Resolution number, or the Judiciary Committee Resolution number?



It must have been 26 July or sooner, since this thread announced it on that day.

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President Donald Trump's job approval rating this week averaged across major polls surpassed that of his predecessor President Barack Obama at the same time eight years ago, giving some actual good news to Trump who is known to cite only conservative-leaning polls to bolster his image.

Trump's approval rating on Wednesday was 44.3 percent, according to a Real Clear Politics average of more than a half-dozen major polls. That is higher than Obama's average approval rating of 43.9 percent on September 18, 2011, by the same measure.

The 45th president's average approval rating surpassed that of his predecessor on Monday and stayed on top for the next two days. Trump's average approval rating on Monday was 44.1 percent compared to Obama's 43.9 percent on September 16, 2011, and 44 percent on Tuesday compared to Obama's 43.8 percent on September 17, 2011.

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Feel free to leak this': Inside the Pelosi-Nadler impeachment schism

The longtime allies are increasingly in conflict over the push to oust President Donald Trump.

By SARAH FERRIS, HEATHER CAYGLE and JOHN BRESNAHAN

In a closed-door meeting last week, Speaker Nancy Pelosi stunned lawmakers and aides with a swipe at Democratic staff on the House Judiciary Committee.

Pelosi criticized the panel’s handling of impeachment in harsh terms, complaining committee aides have advanced the push for ousting President Donald Trump far beyond where the House Democratic Caucus stands. Democrats simply don’t have the votes on the floor to impeach Trump, Pelosi said.

“And you can feel free to leak this,” Pelosi added, according to multiple people in the room. Pelosi’s office declined to comment on the meeting.

It was the latest sign of the widening schism between Pelosi and Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, two longtime allies who are increasingly in conflict over where to guide the party at one of its most critical moments.

Both Pelosi and Nadler, who have served in the House together for more than 25 years, insist their relationship remains strong. But their rift over impeachment is getting harder and harder to paper over amid Democrats’ flailing messaging on the topic and a growing divide in the caucus.

Whether the two veteran lawmakers can get on the same page will determine whether the party avoids a rupture that threatens its chances of holding on to the House majority and beating Trump in 2020.

“I think the speaker wants to be careful of all the different members of the caucus,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and a vocal impeachment advocate. “She doesn’t always want to use the word ‘impeachment’ but believe me, she signed off on every piece of what has been put forward.”

Yet the gap between Pelosi and Nadler has been on full display lately.

The Judiciary Committee held what it billed as its first “impeachment hearing” on Tuesday with former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, whose outright refusal to answer questions only bolstered Democrats’ impeachment investigation, Nadler said.

But at the very same moment, Pelosi was stressing in a private meeting with moderate Democrats that the caucus would be cautious as it approaches whether to move forward on impeachment, according to multiple attendees.

“Nadler is talking about law, Pelosi is talking about politics,” said Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), a member of the Judiciary Committee, when asked about the divide between the two senior Democrats. “Nadler is looking at high crimes and misdemeanors, and we are inundated with them in the Judiciary Committee. But Pelosi is looking at the political side of it.”

Raskin, though, insisted the Pelosi-Nadler split isn’t hurting Democrats.

“I think it is fully, comprehensively representing the divergent opinion in the country what we need to do, and it’s too early to tell,” Raskin said. “Everyone wants to jump to the end, to say, ‘What’s the end of the story?' But we’re just in the middle of it.”

Nadler, one of the most aggressive impeachment backers among senior Democrats, has been careful not to clash directly with Pelosi since the start of his committee’s probe.

Yet the New York Democrat has ramped up his rhetoric over the summer, declaring that the House is in “formal impeachment proceedings” even as Pelosi has maintained her own careful message that the House is only weighing the possibility. At a news conference last week, she refused to even utter the “I-word.”

Nadler has made clear where he stands: Trump should be impeached. Now.

“Personally, I think the president ought to be impeached,” Nadler told WNYC’s Brian Lehrer on Monday in his strongest comments to date backing impeachment. But Nadler also acknowledged Democrats “cannot impeach the president against the will of the American people,” reiterating the point Pelosi has hammered again and again since she returned to the speakership in January.

A POLITICO/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday shows 37 percent of voters support beginning impeachment proceedings, while 50 percent oppose doing so; 12 percent are undecided.

Pelosi has also expressed skepticism with the notion of impeaching Trump in the House only for him to be acquitted in a Senate trial — and then surely claim exoneration on the campaign trail.

Several Democrats have speculated that Nadler’s hard line on impeachment is partly driven by concerns with his political standing on the left in his New York City district as he faces his toughest primary challenge in decades. Nadler has also come under intense pressure from Trump’s fiercest critics on the Judiciary Committee who have actively lobbied for impeachment for months.

Meanwhile, Nadler’s allies blame Pelosi for the messaging stumbles, pointing to a hard-to-read strategy that has irked liberals by refusing to definitively say if the House is in an impeachment inquiry.

In a statement to POLITICO, a Nadler spokesman said Pelosi has been “fully supportive of our investigative work,” from court filings to hearing procedures.

“There is no disagreement in the investigative work we have before us and we will continue to work closely with leadership as we move forward,” Nadler spokesman Daniel Schwarz added.

Pelosi aides added that Nadler has coordinated with her office on investigations, legal strategy and messaging. Pelosi has signed off on all the Judiciary Committee’s court filings targeting the Trump administration, which is where the caucus first formally signaled it was engaged in an impeachment investigation.

“Speaker Pelosi has repeatedly said she supports Chairman Nadler and House Judiciary’s investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment, its procedures and efforts to uncover the truth for the American people,” spokeswoman Ashley Etienne wrote in a statement.

Yet privately, Pelosi has voiced frustrations with Nadler’s committee, and not just that staff has been moving ahead as though the House were already in formal impeachment proceedings. She was also concerned with reports that Judiciary staff were lobbying at least one of the panel’s members who had not yet come out for a formal impeachment inquiry, according to a source familiar with her frustrations.

Pelosi and Nadler have long been hurtling down this path — clashing behind closed doors even as they tried to maintain a united front for the cameras.

Nadler was deferential to Pelosi for months, refusing to even say publicly whether he supported opening an impeachment inquiry. Privately, Nadler was petitioning Pelosi to greenlight a formal impeachment investigation within his committee, arguing it would streamline House Democrats’ sprawling Trump-related probes across multiple panels.

But Nadler was rebuffed repeatedly by Pelosi, who went so far as to say she’d rather see Trump “in prison” before she moved forward with impeachment during one particularly tense meeting in June.

Pelosi has also agreed to specific language regarding impeachment that her allies say Nadler has blown past.

“She signed off on that, that’s where Nadler should have stayed,” one aide familiar with Pelosi’s thinking said.

The clash underscores a simple reality of the caucus: a vocal progressive wing is growing frustrated with inaction, while vulnerable moderates are begging to be shielded from the glare of impeachment.

Nadler has become the driving force for the first group, just as Pelosi protects the second.

“They have different jobs,” said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), adding that Pelosi is trying to appease both factions.

“This role she’s playing is going to be very important to protect the caucus, and the majority, and a lot of the new members,” he said, “while also allowing the running room for people like Mr. Nadler and the Judiciary Committee to proceed.”

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Maybe I need to start another thread in the series "how democrats give away votes" (first two in the series were illegal immigration http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63190 and reparations http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63217).

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Maybe I need to start another thread in the series "how democrats give away votes" (first two in the series were illegal immigration http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63190 and reparations http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63217).

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Indeed.

One important point in the story is that 50% of voters do NOT want Trump impeached, 12% haven't decided, and only 37% want impeachment. That 37% represents most, but not even all registered Democrats (40%). Obviously Dems need more than 37% to win an election. The problem is that this is silly-season (primaries) when Dems politicians wind up swinging waaaaaaay over to the left because they're only running against other Dems for registered Dem votes, so they have an extremely narrow agenda at the moment. If there were truly open primaries then candidates would have to appeal to independents and even Republicans and we might see a more reasonable ticket emerge.

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