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I check out cnn just to see what the anti-Trump M$M is doing and I gotta tell you ... it was one breathless headline after another, all basically saying NOW we got Trump.

Seriously, something like seven headlines stacked up, one atop the other, all with the same hyperventilation. And not just one day. It's like Rachel Madcow, on steroids.

Between the rabidly partisan M$M and rabidly partisan liberaloids, it's like listening to a pack of mad dogs howling. I mean, look at JO (before he disappeared)... he was SO convinced that Trump is Putin's puppet that he was willing to entertain the idea that Mueller, the FBI, and the CIA were all in on the plot. WISHY wants to eradicate the world in order to save it. SECONDRATE spent endless hours flinging virtue-signalling crap onto the board, but now that his tax cuts might be at risk has suddenly gone silent. REAVERBOT threatened people. Facts just bounce offa CC's delusions, despite his effort to appear like a "reasonable" person.

These people have been driven to white hot hatred of Trump. Facts don't matter in the face of overwhelming emotion, which feels so authentic and real. It'll take YEARS for these emotions to die down and for people to come back to their senses. (If ever. I think SECONDRATE is permanently tweaked.)

And the crazy thing is, this isn't the first, second, or even third time Americans have gone thru the spin cycle in the past 18 years. You'd think that by the fourth fiths sixth seventh? time around (9-11! WMD! GWOT! Hope and change! Chemical weapons! Russia invasion! RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! Ukraine!) people would have developed some insight!


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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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I just think other people in other countries should support MY idea of a government, only I'm too much of a hypocrite to come out and say it. I believe that a magic wand will make it work this time because I'm delusional about statistics and like to rationalize things out that can't be to make it work in my own head.

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Let's stop calling them Mainstream please.

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Let's stop calling them Mainstream please.

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*RESOLVES TO CALL THEM MAINSTREAM MEDIA FOREVER AND EVER.

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At least until they die.

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I have a kid. You don't.

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I just think other people in other countries should support MY idea of a government, only I'm too much of a hypocrite to come out and say it. I believe that a magic wand will make it work this time because I'm delusional about statistics and like to rationalize things out that can't be to make it work in my own head.
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I don't know if you honestly believe that if you try hard enough, type enough words, that you can talk the ten people in this chat into rolling over and submitting ass to be fucked over. I mean, that's a lot of typing.

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Yanno, there aren't many things I stand for these days ...

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... but I believe Communism is a crap idea run by delusional narcissists and hypocrites. Nothing is going to fully work as intended, but Communism and Fascism are going to work the least and hurt the most.

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Fix all health issues, fix all mental issues....maybe we talk. But until then, you are just deluding yourselves that you can make broken people work every day like YOU want them to.

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If I had the power of a Thanos Snap, I would keep every Mother fucking-drug seeking-nature polluting-Schizophrenic-Rage maniac on the planet over YOU TWO TARDS.

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THEY HAVE THE PROBABILITY OF DOING FAR LESS DAMAGE.
SERIOUSLY, GET BENT

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That has nothing to do with anything.


Think Progress... Shut down.
Vox, Salon and Mother Jones... massive layoffs in 2018 and 2019.
CNN/MSNBC... ratings tanked across the board after Russigate was a dud.
New York Times... Shut down Spanish offshoot this month. Hashtag #CancelNYT trending this week, spurred on by left wing activists.

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First of all, I've never, not even once, prescribed anything for any other country.
The only thing I want to see is that other countries get to pick what they want for themselves
If they want it, what do YOU care?
Seriously, try to have SOME perspective!!

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I don't know if you honestly believe that if you try hard enough, type enough words, that you can talk the ten people in this chat into rolling over and submitting ass to be fucked over. I mean, that's a lot of typing.

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First of all, I've never, not even once, prescribed anything for any other country.

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ALL FASCISTS IN THE HEAD! DANCE ON THEIR GRAVES, FREE ALL THE SLAVES!!
Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!
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That has nothing to do with anything.


Think Progress... Shut down.
Vox, Salon and Mother Jones... massive layoffs in 2018 and 2019.
CNN/MSNBC... ratings tanked across the board after Russigate was a dud.
New York Times... Shut down Spanish offshoot this month. Hashtag #CancelNYT trending this week, spurred on by left wing activists.

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Yeah, I know Trumps fake economy isn't doing so well. Stores closing all over. No one wants to do business with a country that has a nut job douche bag for a fake Prez...

Oh, and I just told the kid that you hate the phrase "Mainstream media" and asked her to use the phrase after I die and she said "no problem, he sounds pretty pathetic"

It's GREAT that you don't breed

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You missed my point: Your posts are steeped in anger and violence. Quite often, they consist of NOTHING BUT. If you were to "go postal" people would look back at these threads and say Yup. The indicators were all there. - SIGNY

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Actually, I've been using y'all as a learning experience to my kid. We've been doing some in depth reading on Fascists and why they and their lying bullshit philosophies should NEVER be tolerated.
I know you can google, nut job.

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Oh huh. I believe that as much as the story about you building a porch with her, which is (in case you need an explanation) not at all.



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Half of the country doesn't see it that way.

And there is a GOP run Senate.

And Trump has outraised all Democrat candidates combined.

And since the day Pelosi made a statement about impeachment, Trump has raised nearly 4 times as much as Democrats have raised for the election.


This isn't going anywhere either.



Queue up the tax bullshit. Need something else to fill the news cycle once this one falls down the memory hole.

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On The Motives Behind Whistleblower-gate

The recent impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump is the second attempt by the CIA and the Democratic establishment to sabotage Trump's presidency. The first attempt was the 'Russiagate' conspiracy theory which falsely claimed that Trump colluded with the Russian government to win the election. It took more than two years to defeat it. It had the intended side effect that it disabled Trump from making peace with Russia.

The second is likewise run by the CIA and the Democratic establishment. The CIA created an artificial issue that the Democrats used to justify the launch of an impeachment process against Trump. The impeachment attempt has little chance to dethrone Trump. But the affair will again hamstring any attempts for better relations with Russia. The operation is also designed to further prevent Trump digging into the background of Russiagate and the people behind it.

The second attempt is a simpler construct than Russiagate. A CIA operative who was temporarily delegated to the White House constructed a 'whistleblower complaint' that is completely based on hearsay and public sources. It is also about issues that are outside of the CIA's immediate business.

Until very recently the intelligence community complaint form required that any claimant had first hand knowledge of the complaint issue. The form was changed in August (more here) but uploaded only on September 24 to also allow for hearsay to be the basis of a complaint. This reinforces the impression that the complaint is part of a larger intelligence operations. Who initiated the change?

The whistleblower statute says that the matter in question must be an "urgent concern" that is defined as:

... a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operations of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters

At the core of the complaint in question is a claim that Trump used a phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of the Ukraine to press Zelensky to investigate two issues. The call memorandum was declassified and published.

During the phone call Zelensky had two requests. He wanted U.S. anti-tank weapons and he wanted an invitation to the White House. (He got both.) Trump also had a request. He asked that Ukrainian authorities investigate two issues of U.S. public interest. The first is the reported interferences by Ukrainian government officials in favor of Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election campaign. This also involved the notorious security company CrowdStrike which made some false claims about Russian hacking in the Ukraine. The second one is the also well-know intervention by then Vice-President Joe Biden against a Ukrainian Attorney General who had an open investigation against a company that was sponsoring his son Hunter Biden.

The U.S.and the Ukraine have a treaty that requires them to cooperate on law enforcement matters. That Trump wanted the Ukrainian authorities to investigated these issues was well known. His personal lawyer Rudi Giuliani had said for several months that he was looking into these questions.

The issues pointed out in the complaint are clearly beyond the scope of the whistleblower statute. Trump's actions with regard to the Ukraine, especially the phone call, were neither outside of any law nor do they involve any intelligence activity. What Trump did during the call was not nefarious. The issue is clearly a question of "differences in opinion concerning public policy matters".

A whistleblower complaint must be send to the relevant agency’s inspector general. If he finds it credible it goes to the head of the agency who decides if it is within the statute and, if it is, sends the complaint to Congress. The agency’s inspector general Michael Atkinson found the complaint 'credible' but, after seeking legal advice, the acting director of national intelligence Joseph Maguire did not forward it to Congress. It was the right thing to do as the content of the complaint is neither 'whistleblowing' nor within the relevant statute.

What happened next is curious:

The agency’s inspector general, Michael Atkinson, notified Congress that the complaint existed but says he and Maguire have reached an “impasse” over whether to turn it over.

I have found no legal analysis if this was a required move or outside of the usual process. After that step was taken details of the complaint leaked to the press as they were supposed to do.

The Democrats immediately raised a public ruckus and demanded to see the complaint and call transcript and to have them declassified. They likely hoped that Trump would fight them over this. But Trump immediately obliged. He had nothing to fear. A diligent reading of the phone call memo and the complaint shows that there is nothing illegal or otherwise condemnable in his behavior towards the Ukraine. One may not like what he does as president but that does not make it illegal.

Despite the lack of any sound basis the Democrats announced an impeachment inquiry even as it has little public support and will drown out any positive momentum for policy issues the Democratic primary candidates want to promote. The impeachment inquiry will run right along the lines laid out in the complaint.

The complaint and the Democrats claim that Trump held back loans from the Ukraine to press Zelensky on the issue. Zelensky denies he even knew that the loans were withheld and said that it was a non-issue.

The Hill @thehill - 20:31 UTC · Sep 27, 2019
Sen. Chris Murphy: "In my meeting...Zelensky did not make any connection between the aid that had been cut off & the requests that he was getting from Giuliani but the Ukrainian govt certainly thru multiple channels was expressing their confusion about who they should listen to."

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) has himself intervened with Zelensky:

While choosing his words carefully, Murphy made clear — by his own account — that Ukraine currently enjoyed bipartisan support for its U.S. aid but that could be jeopardized if the new president acquiesced to requests by President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate past corruption allegations involving Americans, including former Vice President Joe Biden’s family.

The Democrats say that it is unfair that Trump is asking the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden who currently leads in the Democrats' primary. They claim that he wants the material only to smear Biden.

But there is no need to smear Biden. He himself proudly told the story (vid) of how he blackmailed the Ukrainian government. It is also widely known that his son Hunter had an affair with his sister-in-law while his brother was fighting cancer, spent extravagantly on drugs and prostitutes according to his former wife and was dishonorably discharged from the Navy Reserve for cocaine use.

Three weeks after Joe Biden had helped to overthrow the Ukrainian government his not so honorable son Hunter Biden was invited to take a $50,000 per month board seat of Burisma, a Ukrainian gas producer whose owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, was under investigation for corruption and tax evasion. Hunter Biden did not know anything about the Ukraine or natural gas. The company had only one reason to hire him and that was his father.

A few months later Joe Biden withheld a $1 billion loan guarantee to get the Ukrainian prosecutor general who was running the corruption investigation against Burisma fired. Biden claimed that he wanted the prosecutor general to go because he was corrupt and that the case against Burisma was already closed. But several recently revealed papers show that those claims are false. More dirt about Biden's actions in Ukraine is just coming out.

By opening the impeachment inquiry the Democrats, not Trump, highlight Biden's corruption and throw him under the bus. That maybe a welcome side effect for the Democratic establishment which prefers that the second incarnation of Hillary Clinton, Senator Elizabeth Warren, wins the primaries.

There is other dirt that the Democrats may fear.

During the 2016 election campaign Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who worked for the Democratic National Committee had contacts with the Ukrainian embassy. She asked for digging up dirt on Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort who had worked in the Ukraine. Soon a mysterious ledger was found by an anonymous person in the burned out headquarter of an Ukrainian party which allegedly showed that Manafort had received large amounts of black money. The ledger was an obvious favor by the Ukrainians for the Clinton campaign. Trump had to fire Manafort who was later sentenced for tax evasion and other unrelated crimes. Trump wants to pardon Manafort and needs some public reason to do so. If the Ukrainians find that the ledger was faked at the request of the DNC the issue might well fall back on the Democrats.

But what is the intent of the CIA in organizing the clearly abnormal whistleblower complaint?

Here we have to look at the second request Trump made to Zelensky. He wants to know more about Russiagate. During that operation, which was directed by Obama's spy chief John Brennan, the 'former' MI6 agent Christopher Steele created a fake dossier of alleged collusion between Trump and the Kremlin. The dossier was used to justify FBI spying on the Trump campaign. It is quite possible that some of Steele's 'Russian' sources were actually from the Ukraine.

There are also a number of loose ends from the 2014 coup in Ukraine which the CIA will not like to have disclosed. Zelensky had promised to restart the investigation into the Maidan massacre. The CIA would surely like to prevent any disclosure of its heavy involvement in that affair.

Good relations with Trump would have helped Zelensky to achieve his aims. It would have hindered better CIA control over Zelensky. The disclosure and ruckus about the phone call will make it more difficult for Trump and Zelensky to cooperate. That part of the plan worked.

But there is also already a casualty on the side of the plotters against Trump.

The new Ukrainian president was looking for ways to make peace with Russia and had hoped that Trump would help him. The hawks had installed Kurt Volker as U.S. Special Representative for Ukraine to prevent any such moves. Volker, a former U.S. ambassador to NATO, had been hired by then Secretary of State Rex Tillerson but had demanded no pay. Volker is the hawkish head of the McCain Institute which received donations from George Soros' Open Society. He is also a partner in a public relation company that was hired by then President of Ukraine Poroshenko.

The whistleblower complaint says that Volker visited Zelensky on July 26, one day after his call with Trump, to "provide advice to the Ukrainian leadership about how to 'navigate' the demands that the President had made of Mr. Zelenskyy."

Volker was the 'borg' member sent to Ukraine to exercise control over the Ukrainian government. He clearly tried to sabotage Trump's efforts to push Zelensky to investigate the Ukrainian side of the Russiagate and Biden affairs. Volker also wanted to prevent better relations with Russia:

As Trump's special representative for Ukraine negotiations, Volker strongly supported a shift in policy to send lethal weapons to Kyiv, including tank-busting Javelins, described by its manufacturer as "the world's most versatile and lethal one-man-portable, anti-tank, guided munition and surveillance weapon system."

But at the same time Volker was pushing to convince Trump to arm Ukraine, he also held positions with a major lobbying firm, BGR Group, and with a think tank, the McCain Institute, that both had financial ties to Raytheon Company, which manufactures the Javelin system and earned millions from Trump's decision.

Yesterday Volker suddenly left his job.

Why? Was he one of those who fed the whistleblower with content for his complaint? That Volker leaves now, before being fired by Trump for sabotaging his requests to and relations with Zelensky, is likely an unintended consequence of the whistleblower operation.

If Trump is as smart as he thinks he will install a new special representative to the Ukraine who does his bidding.

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Half of the country doesn't see it that way.

And there is a GOP run Senate.

And Trump has outraised all Democrat candidates combined.

And since the day Pelosi made a statement about impeachment, Trump has raised nearly 4 times as much as Democrats have raised for the election.


This isn't going anywhere either.



Queue up the tax bullshit. Need something else to fill the news cycle once this one falls down the memory hole.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You forget that half the country is below average. The scandals about the Panama Papers, where rich Americans are paying $500 billion less per year than is owed? That is forgotten by those below average. These people who forget, "falls down the memory hole", are the people in the bottom half. The people up in the top 1% don't forget. They don't need to be reminded. That's how they got up there. If you want to get up there, 6ixStringJack, you need to remember rather than pushing your erase button every ten seconds.

Trump voters were in the habit of hitting "delete" long before Trump came along. That habit has materially damaged them. Everybody has taken advantage of their short memories, including bosses and banks and politicians, which made it easy for Trump to also take advantage of them by promising to "fix" the system. He didn't because the only real fix is to stop forgetting, which is something you, and only you, have all the control in the world.

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SIX, everybody assumes that Senate Rebublicans are going to stand shoulder to shoulder ith Trump but the reality is that there are a quite a few Senate GOP who're full-on neocon apparatchiks like Lindsey Graham, Bob Corker, and Marco Rubio and/or who're deep friends with Israel and/or who would be sharpening their knives for a Presidential run (and would be more successful running against Pence) that Trump may not have all of the support that everyone thinks. Most of the GOP have left Trump twisting in the wind thru this whole RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hoax for example. Their spport of Trump has been pretty lukewarm.

As I understand it, the Senate needs 67 votes to remove Trump from office and there are an automatic 49 Democratic votes already, which means that 18 GOPers need to cross the line. According to people who count such things, there are already 15 Republican Senators who might be willing to vote for removal.

Hubby and I talk about the mess that is Trump's foreign policy, and one of the things that may be preventing Trump from withdrawing our troops from the Mideast as promised is that he has to keep one eye on those Senate warhawks/neocons and keep them satsified. I'm sure that Democrats don't care since they have long ago given up the mantle of being anti-war and are now just bought-and-paid for globalist shills, but in a way their constant haranguing of Trump over bullshit hoaxes like RUSSIA!RUSSIA! may be what's keeping our mideast wars alive.

Tom Luongo has opined that the reason WHY the Democrats have uncorked impeachment is because they know for a fact that Trump would win 2020 because their candidates suck, and that the only way they could win in 2020 is to remove Trump from office. Imagine Pence running against Warren.

IF Trump is removed from office there won't be a "revolution" but there will probably be extremely low voter turnout, and a Democrat will be elected with the lowest percentage of the general population ever as "no party affiliation" an disaffected voters stay home in droves.

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In case the vid gets deleted, its title iz Trump Impeachment Probe Confronts 'Russian Way Of Doing Politics' | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
She haz Tim Snyder on, the author uv On Tyranny - 20 lessonz from the 20th sentury.

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Apart from being right about Russia invading Ukraine *cough* Crimea *cough* and about Trump's involvement with Russia pre-2016 you mean?

Easy, you don't have to listen to me, Kiki. Listen to Trump saying it himself - from the White House released "transcript":

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

It's not opinion, it's fact.

SIGGY use to say if there was collusion in 2016 surely we'd have phone conversations... like this one that was not caught until a whistle blower had the nerve to call it out? Not only does this show Trump's willingness to use help from an adversary to throw an election, it shows how he might have done it before. A simple phone call, you help me I'll help you, wink wink.

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He was great. I liked his "let's consider the wider picture" observation. This isn't just us and Trump. I know of a few Russians that say pretty much the same things he has about Tyranny and "what the signs are of losing your democracy or the encroachment of Tyranny." And they should know.

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He was great. I liked his "let's consider the wider picture" observation. This isn't just us and Trump. I know of a few Russians that say pretty much the same things he has about Tyranny and "what the signs are of losing your democracy or the encroachment of Tyranny." And they should know.

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Here's another one. The whistleblower is going to testify.

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Sig, my frend, I am well aware that in the eko chamber, the TrumPutin Conspirasy haz been swept under the rug, debunked, disproven, and the real truth, known az Russiagate or Russia Hoax iz a firmly established fact.

I think its a big mistake by the MSM and the Democratic party to not mount a hyooj campain to ridicule everybody pushing this false story. Just dismissing it wenevr wun uv their pundits triez to push it on wun uv their tokking hed showz iznt enuf. Like holding your earbudz up, pitting them agenst Deep Purpl'z sound system.* Bad stratejy.

But here, we all know each other well enuf to know wut iz going to be taken seriously or not. So, wy do you, 6, Kiki and otherz keep pushing that lie? You know you cant fool us, so wy waste the keystrokes?


*I uzed Deep Purple bekuz they hav or had the Ginis Book uv World Recordz record for loudest consert. I recall it being 130 db.

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Former Ukraine prosecutor says he saw no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden

www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-29/former-ukraine-prosecutor-sa
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Yuri Lutsenko, who was fired as prosecutor general last month (possibly at Trump's request) said he had urged Giuliani to launch a U.S. inquiry and go to court if he had any evidence but not to use Ukraine to conduct a political vendetta that could affect the U.S. election.

“I said, ‘Let’s put this through prosecutors, not through presidents,’ ” Lutsenko told The Times.

“I told him I could not start an investigation just for the interests of an American official,” he said.

Lutsenko said he met Giuliani twice in person and had numerous conversations with him on the phone. He described the former New York mayor as obsessed with possible misconduct by Biden or his son Hunter.

Very unhelpful to Trump, Lutsenko said, “Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival.” That's as good a reason for Trump to demand Lutsenko's firing as any. - www.pressherald.com/2019/09/26/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-hunter-b
iden-did-not-violate-anything/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Old news.

From a guy who held a position that the Legacy Media was quick to point out had no formal education that qualified him for such a role in the first place.

He also thinks that "twicely" is a word.

T beat you to this non-story by a day or two. Keep up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Old news.

From a guy who held a position that the Legacy Media was quick to point out had no formal education that qualified him for such a role in the first place.

He also thinks that "twicely" is a word.

T beat you to this non-story by a day or two. Keep up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Not old news. The story was from today. The prosecutor was talking to Rudy, Trump's lawyer, last month, just before the prosecutor was fired, perhaps at the request of Trump, because the prosecutor would not charge Biden's son with a crime that happened 2 years before the son had even visited Ukraine.

The prosecutor had the job from 12 May 2016 – 29 August 2019, until he crossed Trump. Three years and 3 months in the job was his qualification to work the job. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Lutsenko

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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In an NBC News exclusive, Yuriy Lutsenko, the ex-Ukraine prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden, speaks with Richard Engel about how many times he spoke with President Donald Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

https://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/ex-ukraine-prosecu
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He also cleared the Bidens of any wrong doing.

tick tock

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He didn't clear anybody of anything.

According to Andrea Mitchell, he said he's "unaware of any Ukrainian law broken by either Biden". Even if this is true, there is no video or audio footage provided. If this was ever asked of him, he didn't say it in this interview, so that's hearsay unless you have another video that shows it. Also, even if this were true, nobody really gives a shit about Ukrainian law as it pertains to Biden or his son either.

The video they show, after what can only be presumed to be a straight up lie by Mitchell unless said video is provided, is just a few questions asking how many times he talked to Giuliani or his people.


lol "Twicely". That's cute.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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So in other words, his prior work experience should have landed him jobs in the fast food service industry, not the Prosecutor General of a country.

I doubt very much that he's even qualified to determine whether or not somebody was guilty of jaywalking.

LOL Twicely at "twicely".




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P.S. I've never worn a pair of cowboy boots in my life, but if I promise to vote against Trump in 2020 would you give me a job running your cattle ranches (since we know you actively fire anybody working for you who isn't a Democrat)?

I mean, I wouldn't have a fucking clue what I was doing on day one, but maybe after three years I'd have the necessary on the job work experience to be somewhat competent at it.


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I wouldn't have a fucking clue what I was doing... ANY day.

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So in other words, his prior work experience should have landed him jobs in the fast food service industry, not the Prosecutor General of a country.

I doubt very much that he's even qualified to determine whether or not somebody was guilty of jaywalking.

LOL Twicely at "twicely".




OLD NEWS.





P.S. I've never worn a pair of cowboy boots in my life, but if I promise to vote against Trump in 2020 would you give me a job running your cattle ranches (since we know you actively fire anybody working for you who isn't a Democrat)?

I mean, I wouldn't have a fucking clue what I was doing on day one, but maybe after three years I'd have the necessary on the job work experience to be somewhat competent at it.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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First things first, 6ixStringJack, I would not hire you because the entire way you approach life is "ineffectual", a euphemism for fucked up. Either vote for or against Trump, it makes not difference to me. You cannot be trusted to pay attention to what you are doing. Stick to work that can be done while you are on automatic pilot.

And the second thing, it follows from your argument that Ukraine's Chief Prosecutor job was empty for the last 3 years and 3 months. That is ridiculous. The prosecutor lost his job not because he can't do it, but because he crossed Trump by not bringing false charges against Biden's son.

Ukraine's President won't admit it, nor Trump, but that's what happened. Well, the way 6ix thinks, Trump will have to plead guilty before can be convicted of a crime that was separately video recorded. That level of evidence might happen in convenient store robberies, where there are cameras, when the robber is also stupid enough to be tricked into confessing to the cops, but it never happens in higher level crimes. Trump knows to never confess. Let the lawyer do all the talking. Oh, and never record anything if you can help it, but sometimes a President can't help it. That never stops Trump from denying what he is recorded saying.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/donald-trump-nuclear-bomb-hurricanes

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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You say that will all the certitude you repeated TRUMP!!RUSSIA!!COLLUSION!! over the span of 2+ years.

Why should I credit your opinion about anything?

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Apart from being right about Russia invading Ukraine *cough* Crimea *cough* and about Trump's involvement with Russia pre-2016 you mean?

Easy, you don't have to listen to me, Kiki. Listen to Trump saying it himself - from the White House released "transcript":

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

It's not opinion, it's fact.

SIGGY use to say if there was collusion in 2016 surely we'd have phone conversations... like this one that was not caught until a whistle blower had the nerve to call it out? Not only does this show Trump's willingness to use help from an adversary to throw an election, it shows how he might have done it before. A simple phone call, you help me I'll help you, wink wink.

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You do, huh? Got some old Russian buddies you keep in regular contact with there?

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How does Rachel Maddow still have a job?

Oh, that's right. People like Captain who were let down by her and stopped watching her forgot why and are watching her again.

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