Impeachment Investigation Is Underway, Judiciary Committee Says by THG

lol

Orgy of anon evidence.

This is rather amusing. Nobody is even talking about the worthless Democrat debates right now. Hilarious.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 1:41 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody is even talking about the worthless Democrat debates right now. Hilarious.

Oh, there will be plenty of time for that once Chump has a nervous breakdown in that one brain cell he has left... from unsuccessfully trying to cover up everything he's said in the last 6 months....

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 3:28 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
US President Donald Trump called Australian PM Scott Morrison and asked for his help with an investigation into the origins of the Mueller inquiry, Australian officials have confirmed.

Quote:
Trump’s request, however, was preceded by an Australian offer of help, with its ambassador to the United States, Joe Hockey, writing to U.S. Attorney-General William Barr in May to offer Canberra’s assistance.
“The Australian government will use its best endeavors to support your efforts in this matter,” Hockey wrote in a May 28 letter, referring to Trump’s May 24 announcement of plans to investigate the origins of the FBI investigation.

Hon,
that's what you get for sucking up everything the M$M shits in your mouth.

Should Trump NOT have followed up with Australia?

BTW, I expect an answer.

Quote:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hayesbrown/trump-russia-mueller-o
bsession-ukraine-impeachment-inquiry

That line above? It's your link, that you seem to think has something to do with Trump's dealings with Ukraine involving Italy ... or something.

There is literally NOTHING that links Trump to Italy in the article. At all. So, what are you claiming exactly?

BTW, I expect an answer.

Quote:
MOSCOW — The Kremlin said Monday that transcripts of calls between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin can only be published by mutual agreement.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/russia-says-trump-can-t-
release-phone-calls-without-kremlin-n1060551

What does this have to do with Ukraine?

BTW, I expect an answer.

Quote:
Like the call with Saudi's crown prince, the Ukraine transcript did not contain highly classified information to require such a move, raising questions about why the order (to put the call in a coded file) was made.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/27/politics/white-house-restricted-trump-c
alls-putin-saudi/index.html

And - guess what!

Quote:
Susan Rice: Obama Put Call Transcripts On Top Secret Server, Too
September 28, 2019 By David Marcus
Former national security adviser Susan Rice acknowledged last night that the Obama administration moved transcripts of conversations with foreign leaders onto the same top-secret server where the Trump administration stored his recent phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

So, was it OK for Trump to do that? Or not OK for Obama?

BTW, I expect an answer.

Quote:
The Mainstream media has been alluding all week that Trump (and via Barr) has made other phone calls to other countries just like he did with Ukraine and put them in a code file to keep people from finding out what he's been asking THEM, too.

Even if he hasn't, it's pretty clear he's been making an ass of himself all over the planet...

And yet, NONE of those articles even hint at such a thing. It could be there's a line beyond which the M$M won't lie. (Though, when it comes to lying about WMDs to push the US into war, you'd think the uncrossable line would be there. I digress ...)

So where did you get that little tidbit from?

BTW, I expect an answer.

And ... what about China?

BTW, I expect an answer.

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-australia-p
ro/australia-offered-help-in-may-for-white-house-probe-of-mueller-inquiry-idUSKBN1WG2JY
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/28/susan-rice-obama-put-call-transcr
ipts-on-top-secret-server-too/

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody is even talking about the worthless Democrat debates right now. Hilarious.

Oh, there will be plenty of time for that once Chump has a nervous breakdown in that one brain cell he has left... from unsuccessfully trying to cover up everything he's said in the last 6 months....

lol

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 6:15 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hon,
that's what you get for sucking up everything the M$M shits in your mouth.

So, was it OK for Trump to do that? Or not OK for Obama?

And yet, NONE of those articles even hint at such a thing. It could be there's a line beyond which the M$M won't lie. (Though, when it comes to lying about WMDs to push the US into war, you'd think the uncrossable line would be there. I digress ...)

So where did you get that little tidbit from?

Trump has given Republicans another chance to break away. Why won’t they take it?

Republicans could support Mr. Trump’s agenda while simultaneously condemning his corrupt behavior. Yet the vast majority of them refuse to do so. Something more is going on here.

Understanding the close compact between Mr. Trump and the Republican Party starts with acknowledging the false hope many establishment Republicans placed in Trump as he rose to power. They misdiagnosed the individual they were dealing with, assuming that Mr. Trump would “grow in office” and that they, the “adults in the room,” would be able to control and contain him. At the outset of this alliance, they were convinced they would change Mr. Trump more than Mr. Trump would change them. But the transformation turned out to be in them, not him.

As a conservative-leaning clinical psychologist I know explained to me, when new experiences don’t fit into an existing schema — Mr. Trump becoming the leader of the party that insisted on the necessity of good character in the Oval Office when Bill Clinton was president, for example — cognitive accommodation occurs.

When the accommodation involves compromising one’s sense of integrity, the tensions are reduced when others join in the effort. This creates a powerful sense of cohesion, harmony and group think. The greater the compromise, the more fierce the justification for it — and the greater the need to denounce those who call them out for their compromise. “In response,” this person said to me, “an ‘us versus them’ mentality emerges, sometimes quite viciously.”

“What used to be a sense of belonging,” I was told, “devolves into primitive tribalism, absolute adherence to the leader over adherence to a code of ethics.”

Now tie this into our politics. Several years ago — whether it was in the aftermath of Mr. Trump’s racist attacks on Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape or the president’s disturbing comments after the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va. — Republicans were willing to call out Mr. Trump. But that proved to be ephemeral.

Month after month, with one outrageous, norm-shattering comment or action giving way to another, Republicans who in the past could never have envisioned being Trump acolytes, have been ground down. Accommodation has kicked in, which is a psychological relief to many of them. For those who view Mr. Trump as a model politician who voices their grievances and fights with a viciousness they have long hoped for from Republicans, the accommodation is not just a relief but a source of delight.

As the psychologist I spoke to put it to me, many Republicans “are nearly unrecognizable versions of themselves pre-Trump. At this stage it’s less about defending Trump; they are defending their own defense of Trump.”

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2019/09/30/why-the-republican-party-d
ebased-itself-through-servile-loyalty-to-donald-trump/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 6:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Hon,
that's what you get for sucking up everything the M$M shits in your mouth.
So, was it OK for Trump to do that? Or not OK for Obama?
And yet, NONE of those articles even hint at such a thing. It could be there's a line beyond which the M$M won't lie. (Though, when it comes to lying about WMDs to push the US into war, you'd think the uncrossable line would be there. I digress ...)
So where did you get that little tidbit from? KIKI

Quote:
Trump has given Republicans another chance to break away. Why won’t they take it?

Republicans could support Mr. Trump’s agenda while simultaneously condemning his corrupt behavior. Yet the vast majority of them refuse to do so. Something more is going on here.

Understanding the close compact between Mr. Trump and the Republican Party starts with acknowledging the false hope many establishment Republicans placed in Trump as he rose to power. They misdiagnosed the individual they were dealing with, assuming that Mr. Trump would “grow in office” and that they, the “adults in the room,” would be able to control and contain him. At the outset of this alliance, they were convinced they would change Mr. Trump more than Mr. Trump would change them. But the transformation turned out to be in them, not him.

As a conservative-leaning clinical psychologist I know explained to me, when new experiences don’t fit into an existing schema — Mr. Trump becoming the leader of the party that insisted on the necessity of good character in the Oval Office when Bill Clinton was president, for example — cognitive accommodation occurs.

When the accommodation involves compromising one’s sense of integrity, the tensions are reduced when others join in the effort. This creates a powerful sense of cohesion, harmony and group think. The greater the compromise, the more fierce the justification for it — and the greater the need to denounce those who call them out for their compromise. “In response,” this person said to me, “an ‘us versus them’ mentality emerges, sometimes quite viciously.”

“What used to be a sense of belonging,” I was told, “devolves into primitive tribalism, absolute adherence to the leader over adherence to a code of ethics.”

Now tie this into our politics. Several years ago — whether it was in the aftermath of Mr. Trump’s racist attacks on Judge Gonzalo Curiel, the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape or the president’s disturbing comments after the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va. — Republicans were willing to call out Mr. Trump. But that proved to be ephemeral.

Month after month, with one outrageous, norm-shattering comment or action giving way to another, Republicans who in the past could never have envisioned being Trump acolytes, have been ground down. Accommodation has kicked in, which is a psychological relief to many of them. For those who view Mr. Trump as a model politician who voices their grievances and fights with a viciousness they have long hoped for from Republicans, the accommodation is not just a relief but a source of delight.

As the psychologist I spoke to put it to me, many Republicans “are nearly unrecognizable versions of themselves pre-Trump. At this stage it’s less about defending Trump; they are defending their own defense of Trump.”

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2019/09/30/why-the-republican-party-d
ebased-itself-through-servile-loyalty-to-donald-trump/

SECONDRATE, the more that you try to convince me that Dems and Republicans are different, the more you convince me that they're the same.

Cognitive dissonance? CHECK
Tribalism? CHECK. (and boy, has this website shown me how tribal dems are!)
Vicious? CHECK. The most vicious words are posted by you folks.
Unrecognizable pre-Trump? CHECK.
Absolute lack of insight? CHECK.

Oh and BTW SECONHAND ... it would be helpful if you would stop posting other people's works as if they were yours. There's a QUOTE function, if you hadn't noticed. It looks like [ quote] and [ /quote]. Just remove the spaces. You might want to use it instead of appropriating other peoples' work and not separating it from your own opinions..

But then if you did it might show how impoverished your own thought processes are. And, as a rentier capitalist, I guess you're used to appropriating other people's work.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:13 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh and BTW SECONHAND ...

BTW, who you kidding into thinking you aren't crazy for Trump, Signym? You could support Trump’s agenda while simultaneously condemning his corrupt behavior. Yet you won't. Something crazy is going on in your head.

Corruption is using Federal money to get Ukraine's help in reelecting Trump. Trump should have used his own money.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:18 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6:40 a.m. Senator Mark Warner, Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, tells CBS News' Nancy Cordes that he's concerned President Trump is putting the whistleblower's life at risk as he continues to suggest he wants a meeting over social media with the so-called "spy."

"I think this is a clear example of reprisal," Warner told CBS. "I think the potential threat to this whistleblower's life is a realistic concern."

Warner's comments come as Mr. Trump told reporters he was actively trying to uncover the whistleblower's identity:

"Well, we're trying to find out about a whistleblower, when you have a whistleblower that reports things that were incorrect," the president said Monday. "As you know, and you probably now have figured it out, the statement I made to the president of Ukraine, a good man, a nice man, new, was perfect. It was perfect. But the whistleblower reported a totally different statement."

Contradicting the President, the inspector general for the intelligence community issued a statement defending the whistleblower from Trump, saying the individual acted appropriately and had first-hand knowledge of the events in question.

"Office of the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community’s Statement on Processing of Whistleblower Complaints"
https://bit.ly/2oFJ1ZO

www.cbsnews.com/live-news/impeachment-trump-inquiry-giuliani-subpoena-
william-barr-revelations-ukraine-live-updates-2019-10-01/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:39 AM

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Trump threatened a whistleblower, accused one or more of his top nat sec aides of being spies, demanded a House Chair be interrogated on suspicion of treason and threatened to foment a civil war if he is removed from office. What Trump is doing is the very definition of sedition, which happens to be a felony.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition#United_States

Trump tweets accused Rep. Adam Schiff (D–Calif.) of treason and fraud and said Democrats were trying to "destabilize" America. The Schiff tweet may be a big deal. The president accusing a member of Congress of treason for something they said on the House or Senate floor is unconstitutional. "Trump's tweet is by itself arguably impeachable," suggested political science professor Jacob Levy.
https://reason.com/2019/09/30/trumps-civil-war-tweet-isnt-criminal-thi
s-other-tweet-might-be/

Trump's 'Civil War' Quote Tweet Is Actually Grounds for Impeachment
www.newsweek.com/trump-civil-war-tweet-grounds-impeachment-1462044
The tweet is itself an independent basis for impeachment. A sitting president is threatening civil war if Congress exercises its constitutionally authorized power.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:11 AM

JO753

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Here we go:

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:49 AM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The FACTS ARE -

there was NO 'quid pro quo' in the third-hand gossip/ CIA-operation-masqurading-as-a-whistleblower-complaint as initially reported
nobody in Ukraine knew about funds being withheld and so couldn't have been 'pressured' by that

Let's breakdown what Kiki generously calls "facts." Which are not actual facts - no surprise - call them Kiki faks.

"there was NO 'quid pro quo' in the" - Not a Fact.
- You certainly can debate whether you think there was or was not an explicit deal made, but it's pretty obvious to any honest observers, that there was one. Javelins for Biden.
What makes your comment look even more dishonest is it's already been made clear that there doesn't have to be QPQ for Trump's actions to be obstruction of justice, abuse of power, impeachable. You hanging onto Quid is just a demonstration of how dishonest you are (or dim).

"CIA-operation-masqurading-as-a-whistleblower-complaint as initially reported"
- Are you suggesting that the CIA somehow got Trump to say that he wanted Ukraine's president to investigate Biden and his son? How would they make him say this:

"TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Do they have a Trump voice modulator? I have to say Kiki, on the surface your comment sounds convincingly stupid.

"nobody in Ukraine knew about funds being withheld and so couldn't have been 'pressured' by that"
- Cites? I have one. It says you are wrong:

https://wapo.st/2mTlK5J

"We learned late Monday that President Trump ordered the withholding of military aid to Ukraine about one week before his phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25."

Huh!

And just for fun, the timeline also includes:
March 2014: Russia invades Crimea, a peninsula belonging to Ukraine, and annexes it.

So to sum up: Kiki was wrong about everything again. Only question left: is she lying or stupid?

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:55 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The constitution actually says that the President “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

“Bribery” doesn’t get mentioned a lot. We tend to think of it as the President receiving bribes. But it is not so restricted. And what Trump and Giuliani were up to with Zelensky fits well within federal bribery statutes.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 10:08 AM

THG

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
So HOW many countries has Chump been scratching at the door, begging for scraps of something that doesn't even exist?

Russia
Australia
China
Ukraine

It reeks of absolute desperation. He knows he leaves office it's going to get bad for him.
It'd be funny if it weren't so sick.

The trolls ignore the fact that these other countries are walking a tightrope. Their trying not to make their relationships worse with the United States. They know Trump is unbalanced and so they parse their words very carefully. Only morons and dishonest brokers fail to report the truth of this.

Trumps sick revenge politics is apparent to all but his worshipers. Even republicans who hold office are trying to avoid the retaliations that come with challenging him. We've all seen this for ourselves.

tick tock

T

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 10:22 AM

THG

Quote:
Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The FACTS ARE -

there was NO 'quid pro quo' in the third-hand gossip/ CIA-operation-masqurading-as-a-whistleblower-complaint as initially reported
nobody in Ukraine knew about funds being withheld and so couldn't have been 'pressured' by that

Let's breakdown what Kiki generously calls "facts." Which are not actual facts - no surprise - call them Kiki faks.

"there was NO 'quid pro quo' in the" - Not a Fact.
- You certainly can debate whether you think there was or was not an explicit deal made, but it's pretty obvious to any honest observers, that there was one. Javelins for Biden.
What makes your comment look even more dishonest is it's already been made clear that there doesn't have to be QPQ for Trump's actions to be obstruction of justice, abuse of power, impeachable. You hanging onto Quid is just a demonstration of how dishonest you are (or dim).

"CIA-operation-masqurading-as-a-whistleblower-complaint as initially reported"
- Are you suggesting that the CIA somehow got Trump to say that he wanted Ukraine's president to investigate Biden and his son? How would they make him say this:

"TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Do they have a Trump voice modulator? I have to say Kiki, on the surface your comment sounds convincingly stupid.

"nobody in Ukraine knew about funds being withheld and so couldn't have been 'pressured' by that"
- Cites? I have one. It says you are wrong:

https://wapo.st/2mTlK5J

"We learned late Monday that President Trump ordered the withholding of military aid to Ukraine about one week before his phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25."

Huh!

And just for fun, the timeline also includes:
March 2014: Russia invades Crimea, a peninsula belonging to Ukraine, and annexes it.

So to sum up: Kiki was wrong about everything again. Only question left: is she lying or stupid?

All anyone has to do is read anything other than what our commie trolls here post to get the facts G as you've pointed out. And, if one were going to read about this why would they read what kiki has to say over the mainstream media?

I love how the trolls here claim all the mainstream media is lying so they don't believe anything being reported. Then they post from nonconventional news outlets controlled by trolls. Trolls reporting facts that have been spun into lies. Of them I would ask only this. Don't you know that makes you a troll and a sick person?

T

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 10:29 AM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 10:34 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

According to Kenneth Vogel of the NEW YORK TIMES, the Ukrainians were not made aware of the withhekd funds until ONE MONTH AFTER the phone call. Therefore, funding could not have been a pressure point

Quote:
While Trump says he stalled the aid to investigate whether the new administration was just as corrupt as the last one, Democrats and their MSM lapdogs have been making the case that the aid and the request to investigate Biden are linked.

Not true, according to the New York Times' Kenneth Vogel in a Wednesday tweet that went virtually unnoticed (but not by the WSJ's indefatigable Kim Strassel).

Responding to a tweet by MSNBC's Rick Tyler in which he questions why the $400 million wasn't "the top priority of the call," Vogel explains: "The Ukrainians weren't made aware that the assistance was being delayed/reviewed until more than one month after the call."

The Ukrainians weren't made aware that the assistance was being delayed/reviewed until more than one month after the call. https://t.co/qDJ3FT261a
— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) September 25, 2019

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/quid-pro-nope-ukraine-reportedl
y-had-no-idea-about-trump-withholding-400-million-until

So if you want to dispute this, backtrack Vogel's tweets and the WSJ.

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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 11:57 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So let's break down what the M$M generously calls "facts"

The Ukrainian Chief prosecutor was fired because of lack of diligence in investigating Burisma.
Not according the the timeline and the performance of the other prosecutors (before AND after) who didn't investigate Burisma at all.

The whistleblower was in on the phone calls
No

Trump offered a quid pro quo
No

Trump subtly "pressured" Zelenskiy.
Not according to Zelenskiy.

The pending funds was an unstated pressure point.
According to NYT Vogel tweets Ukraine wasn't even informed about the funding delay until a month after, so that couldn't have happened.

Trump placed the transcript on a super secret server which was unusual.
Nope, Obama did the same thing.

Trump pressured Australia.
Not according to the Australians.

As I go thru your hyperventilating posts I'll update this list.

Also keep in mind that the standard for "whistleblowing" was changed in September, instead of requiring direct first hand knowledge it now allows heresay; how convenient!

When the M$M gets so many substantial facts wrong, why believe anything they publish on the matter? This is like the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hoax - when your drill down into the specifics there's no "there" there. Yes I know, sometimes getting TOO detailed can lead people to not see the forest for the trees. But even looking at the big picture, and then taking the meta view, the only thing I can come up with is a deep state/ M$M conspiracy to depose Trump

*****

JO, it's impossible to respond to your post. Even if the link disappears at least have the decency to post it.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 1:35 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Oh yeah, that's right, thanks for the reminder SECONDRATE

The "whistleblower" was placed under Federal protection.
Not according to the "whistleblower's" lawyers.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 1:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
anti-American because they care more about their party or their personal grotches than their fellow citizens.

I know...PEOPLE, right?

YES, I know! And according to you they should all be killed!

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 2:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

YES, I know! And according to you they should all be killed!

Just the fascist ones.

But that should be the penalty for trying to run someone else's life to serve your own bloated agenda, anyway.

At least I'm not sooo delusional I think my agenda will turn the world into a utopia of mindfuckdom. We just need better control over the little people and everything will be better, huh?

You can't even run your own life, I'll beat you to death if you try to run mine, sunshine.

Since you don't seem to get many American pop culture references, that's adapted from a song. It's top three one of my favorite songs ever.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 2:15 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So let's break down what the M$M generously calls "facts"

The Ukrainian Chief prosecutor was fired because of lack of diligence in investigating Burisma.
Not according the the timeline and the performance of the other prosecutors (before AND after) who didn't investigate Burisma at all.

You are faking knowledge you do not have, Signym. By 2016 officials throughout the Obama administration and in Western Europe had come to a consensus that Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, wasn’t doing enough to crack down on corruption there. Joe Biden, as he later colorfully recounted, delivered the message that the West wanted Shokin gone or else loan guarantees would be held up and Shokin was, in turn, fired. There are great stories about Biden's no-good son at:
"Hunter Biden, the black sheep who might accidentally bring down Trump, explained"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20891510/hunter-biden-burism
a-ukraine-shokin

Hunter Biden is a troubled guy at the center of the fake scandal that became a real scandal.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:33 PM

THG

Grassley breaks with Trump over protecting whistleblower

Sen. Chuck Grassley moved to stave off attacks and the unmasking of a federal whistleblower who first divulged President Donald Trump’s call with Ukraine’s president, a move at odds with many of the president’s defenders.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/grassley-breaks-with-trump-ove
r-protecting-whistleblower/ar-AAI7jQ8?ocid=spartandhp

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:41 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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YES, I know! And according to you they should all be killed! -SIGNY

Just the fascist ones. - WISHY

Yep! Down to the last hundred!- SIGNY

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But that should be the penalty for trying to run someone else's life to serve ~~your~~ my own bloated agenda, anyway.

fify

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At least I'm not sooo delusional I think my agenda will turn the world into a utopia of mindfuckdom.

OF COURSE YOU DO! Because if "all" the fascists are killed ... and the people who don't fight fascism hard enough (according to you) ... and the innocent people who inevitably get in the way of your crusade ... then we'll have a world of total freedom! which is SO WORTH all of the killing!

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You can't even run your own life

WISHY, BLOWING OUT HER ASS AGAIN.

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I'll beat you to death if you try to run mine, sunshine.

Am I trying to "run your life"? Am I the one telling you you have to give up meat and give up your car and give up a room to house illegal aliens? Have I EVER threatened you with ... anything? Have I commanded who you can fuck, and how? Does ANYone care what you do in your bedroom? (NO, and I'd rather not hear about it either. When I grew up, a lady didn't talk with strangers about her sex life.)

Yer delusional. You're attacking an enemy that doesn't exist. Stop swinging at air.

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Since you don't seem to get many American pop culture references, that's adapted from a song. It's top three one of my favorite songs ever.

Maybe I'm too old to get "pop" culture references. I grew up in just around the hippie era but my morals were shaped by the Catholic Church. So, what reference did I miss? Because ... I missed it.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:44 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Trump (and Signym) Want Confusion

Creating a sense of complexity and impenetrability — a vague sense that “both sides” are doing something wrong even when only one is — has long been a key part of the Trump playbook. The idea, as former Soviet dissident Garry Kasparov identifies clearly in a series of tweets, is to deflect so much that the public tunes out, and pressure on lawmakers to act abates:

“As you watch Trump’s defenders lie, deflect, and distract today and in the coming weeks, remember that they don’t care about being caught in obvious lies. Calling bullshit still means you’re talking about the bullshit, not the facts,” Kasparov writes. “They want doubt. They can make up a dozen new lies and new distractions every day while there’s only one truth. Stop chasing them and keep repeating the facts.”

Keep Your Eye on the Ball

We know that President Trump pressured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden on the basis of a debunked nonsense allegation during a July phone call — and then tried to cover it up.

We know this because of a federal whistleblower complaint, citing testimony from a number of officials who heard the call and witnessed the White House’s attempts to hide it by moving the call transcript to a server designed for classified information. We know the whistleblower is correct because of a call summary released by the White House, as well as a White House statement admitting the call transcript was transferred to a classified server.

These basic facts are all you really need to know to understand the Ukraine scandal: The president of the United States asking for “a favor” (his words) from a foreign leader — an intervention in the 2020 US election on his behalf. His administration then hid this fact by using powers of classification that were designed to protect state secrets, not politically damaging information. This is an abuse of power, and we know it happened.

All of the defects Trump’s critics see in the president’s character — his venal transactionalism, his mob-esque worldview, his lack of concern for the national interest, his own pseudo-authoritarian instincts — are on display in the Ukraine call, and it paints a damning indictment of a man unfit for the country’s highest office.

There’s lots of Trump scandal news, but don’t get confused: This is about Trump co-opting the powers of the presidency for personal gain.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/1/20893368/impeachment-trump-u
kraine-news

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:48 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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So let's break down what the M$M generously calls "facts"

The Ukrainian Chief prosecutor was fired because of lack of diligence in investigating Burisma.
Not according the the timeline and the performance of the other prosecutors (before AND after) who didn't investigate Burisma at all.- SIGNY

You are faking knowledge you do not have, Signym. = SECONDRATE

No, I'm not. I posted an article with a link, and KIKI showed that the timeline between Shokin's hiring and firing was too short for him to have established a track record for anything, let alone this particular investigation.

You can quibble and deflect all you want, SECONDRATE, but there's a whole stack of "facts" that the M$M got "wrong". And when they get so many facts "wrong" so many times, all biased in the same direction, it starts to look like deliberate defamation instead of "mistakes".

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You idiots have been oppressing the entire sexual spectrum as long as you have existed. I can't wait for the day your kind is dead - WISHIMAY

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:11 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You can quibble and deflect all you want, SECONDRATE, but there's a whole stack of "facts" that the M$M got "wrong". And when they get so many facts "wrong" so many times, all biased in the same direction, it starts to look like deliberate defamation instead of "mistakes".

That leaves Congress to correct for the media's "mistakes". A critical debate took place on July 20, 1787, which resulted in adding the impeachment clause to the U.S. Constitution. Benjamin Franklin said that when the president falls under suspicion, a “regular and peaceable inquiry” is needed.

One of the Founders’ greatest fears was that the president would abuse his power. George Mason described the president as the “man who can commit the most extensive injustice.” James Madison thought the president might “pervert his administration into a scheme of [stealing public funds] or oppression or betray his trust to foreign powers.” Edmund Randolph, governor of Virginia, said the president “will have great opportunitys of abusing his power; particularly in time of war when the military force, and in some respects the public money will be in his hands.”

Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania worried that the president “may be bribed by a greater interest to betray his trust and no one would say that we ought to expose ourselves to the danger of seeing [him] in foreign pay.” James Madison, himself a future president, said that in the case of the president, “corruption was within the compass of probable events … and might be fatal to the Republic.”

William Davie of North Carolina argued that impeachment was “an essential security for the good behaviour” of the president; otherwise, “he will spare no efforts or means whatever to get himself re-elected.” Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts pointed out that a good president will not worry about impeachment, but a “bad one ought to be kept in fear.”

https://theconversation.com/founders-removal-from-office-is-not-the-on
ly-purpose-of-impeachment-124254

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 6:18 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So bascially SECONDRATE, you've given up on discussing facts (because, yanno, you struck out on all points) and are pinning your hopes on partisan wrangling in Congress.

BTW, sweetcheeks ... both sides ARE doing something wrong. Both sides ARE corrupt. The only difference is who they sold their souls to.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 7:36 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So bascially SECONDRATE, you've given up on discussing facts (because, yanno, you struck out on all points) and are pinning your hopes on partisan wrangling in Congress.

BTW, sweetcheeks ... both sides ARE doing something wrong. Both sides ARE corrupt. The only difference is who they sold their souls to.

Hey, Signym! Here are some facts for you: Trump suggested shooting migrants in the legs in order to slow them down after they crossed the southern border during a March meeting.

"You are making me look like an idiot!" Trump shouted during the meeting, adding in a profanity, multiple officials in the room told the Times. "I ran on this. It's my issue."

Citing interviews with more than a dozen White House and administration officials directly involved, the Times -- in an excerpt from the book "Border Wars: Inside Trump's Assault on Immigration" -- reported that Trump had moved on from the idea by the end of what the Times described as "frenzied week of presidential rages." But he had also pivoted to removing staff who had opposed him, an idea largely advocated by White House aide Stephen Miller in his push for greater influence on immigration policy.

www.cnn.com/2019/10/01/politics/new-york-times-trump-shoot-migrants-le
gs/index.html

Signym, Trump is out-of-his-mind. Congress should stomp on him. I checked with Ben Franklin. He was opposed to lunatics as Presidents. His opinion is why there is an impeachment clause in the Constitution.

Franklin concluded that impeachment was a process that could be “favorable” to the president, saying it is the best way to provide for “the regular punishment of the Executive when his misconduct should deserve it and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused.” -- https://theconversation.com/founders-removal-from-office-is-not-the-on
ly-purpose-of-impeachment-124254

By "regular punishment of the Executive" Franklin meant once a month Congress would impeach Trump for whatever idiotic things he did in the previous month.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:19 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Hey, SECONDRATE! Trump ran on immigration! He trying to make good like his promises, unlike Obama who promised hope and change, most transparent government ever, and went back on everything he promised.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:30 PM

I just googled "President of the United States" and it's still Donald Trump.

Guess nothing happened while I was busy today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump (and Signym) Want Confusion

Creating a sense of complexity and impenetrability — a vague sense that “both sides” are doing something wrong even when only one is — has long been a key part of the Trump playbook. The idea, as former Soviet dissident Garry Kasparov identifies clearly in a series of tweets, is to deflect so much that the public tunes out, and pressure on lawmakers to act abates

Thanks, that sums it all up rather well. Saved me a half hour of responding to the loon.

I will say, saying you don't care what I do or say and then supporting a system of government that that wants to control everything I do or say IS THE SAME DAMN THING

It's beyond suspicious you have never heard Sunshine by Jonathan Edwards. You'd have to be on a different planet. 1971?? Ridiculous.

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Tuesday, October 1, 2019 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump (and Signym) Want Confusion

Creating a sense of complexity and impenetrability — a vague sense that “both sides” are doing something wrong even when only one is — has long been a key part of the Trump playbook. The idea, as former Soviet dissident Garry Kasparov identifies clearly in a series of tweets, is to deflect so much that the public tunes out, and pressure on lawmakers to act abates

Thanks, that sums it all up rather well. Saved me a half hour of responding to the loon.

I will say, saying you don't care what I do or say and then supporting a system of government that that wants to control everything I do or say IS THE DAMN DAMN THING

To pretend that one side does everything wrong while the other side is virtuous because of your Trump Derangement Syndrome is beyond foolish.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 12:10 AM

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To pretend that one side does everything wrong while the other side is virtuous because of your Trump Derangement Syndrome is beyond foolish.

To pretend one side isn't wrong because of being in a cult that isn't allowed to say a behavior is wrong is mindfucked. If you haven't disagreed with A SINGLE THING Chump has done you are in a cult.

And YES, I have agreed that something needs to be done about immigration, but not the dickish hick way he has...in the slightest.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 12:26 AM

I've disagreed with plenty of stuff that he's done.

I'm on record here saying it too.

Either go find the posts, or keep yer yap shut and stop lying.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 1:39 AM

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I've disagreed with plenty of stuff that he's done.

I'd say you should know what you have disagreed with better than me. Name one.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 4:03 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

To pretend that one side does everything wrong while the other side is virtuous because of your Trump Derangement Syndrome is beyond foolish.

To pretend one side isn't wrong because of being in a cult that isn't allowed to say a behavior is wrong is mindfucked. If you haven't disagreed with A SINGLE THING Chump has done you are in a cult.

And YES, I have agreed that something needs to be done about immigration, but not the dickish hick way he has...in the slightest.

I've disagreed with a lot of stuff Trump has done, or wants to do. I even tried to engage you all in discussing something other than BULLLSHIT and empty VIRTUE SIGNALLING in quite a number of those!

Our economy and finances? Hello?
War? Oh that's right, you think discussing whether we should kill a million more people is pointless!
Reindustrialization?
The environment? Global climate shift?

There's lots to talk about, and a lot of areas to disagree with Trump!

But ... you couldn't be bothered.

Bitch.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:12 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I've disagreed with a lot of stuff Trump has done, or wants to do. I even tried to engage you all in discussing something other than BULLLSHIT and empty VIRTUE SIGNALLING in quite a number of those!

Our economy and finances? Hello?
War? Oh that's right, you think discussing whether we should kill a million more people is pointless!
Reindustrialization?
The environment? Global climate shift?

There's lots to talk about, and a lot of areas to disagree with Trump!

But ... you couldn't be bothered.

Bitch.

I've been around since the days of the Nixon voting Republicans. They voted for him but they had doubts about some of Nixon's policies they felt to be too sweeping, too liberal. The same people I knew 45 years ago voted for Trump, but they have doubts about some of Trump's policies being too this or too that, just like Signym (or 6ix) (or 1kiki).

Republicans turned on Nixon. Here’s why they won’t turn on Trump: as was NOT the case in 1974, Republicans now have counterfactual media that allows or compels them to ignore blatant lawbreaking.
https://prospect.org/impeachment/republicans-turned-on-nixon-trump-imp
eachment-media/

Republicans haven’t always responded to the clear criminality of a Republican president with indifference, or with fury at those who call the crime a crime.

A straightforward reading of U.S. law makes clear that Trump’s threat to Ukrainian President Zelensky violated 52 U.S. Code 30121, which makes it unlawful for “a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph A of paragraph 1 from a foreign national.” That subparagraph A defines what it’s unlawful to solicit, accept, or receive as “a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value … in connection with a Federal, State, or local election.” 99.999 percent of the American people don’t know the particulars of 52 U.S. Code 30121, but only those in tribal denial don’t grasp that threatening Ukraine unless it cooked up something to help Trump besmirch Joe Biden violated something fundamental.

Why no Republican demands to investigate Trump? What changed the Republican Party? Nixon, after all, relied on tribal enmity no less than Trump. Nixon’s campaigns railed against Democrats, whom it mushed together with radicals, crazy kids, militant blacks, and hippies. Nixon was a vastly more intelligent pol (and man) than Trump, but he built his career on the fear and loathing he stoked within his base for his political adversaries.

Nonetheless, the GOP bowed to the evidence and deserted Nixon.

So why the difference now? What enables Republicans to deny, ignore, or not care about the evidence—not just in the Ukrainian affair? That denial, ignorance, and indifference extends well beyond the case of Donald Trump, to such other notable realities as planet-threatening climate change. How did the “ism” that Republicans scorn the most become empiricism?

More at https://prospect.org/impeachment/republicans-turned-on-nixon-trump-imp
eachment-media/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 7:21 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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I'd say you should know what you have disagreed with better than me. Name one.

Wow wishy, you're in full 'howling at the moon' mode, aren't you?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 9:17 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I've disagreed with a lot of stuff Trump has done, or wants to do. I even tried to engage you all in discussing something other than BULLLSHIT and empty VIRTUE SIGNALLING in quite a number of those!

Our economy and finances? Hello?
War? Oh that's right, you think discussing whether we should kill a million more people is pointless!
Reindustrialization?
The environment? Global climate shift?

There's lots to talk about, and a lot of areas to disagree with Trump!

But ... you couldn't be bothered.

Bitch.
I've been around since the days of the Nixon voting Republicans. They voted for him but they had doubts about some of Nixon's policies they felt to be too sweeping, too liberal. The same people I knew 45 years ago voted for Trump, but they have doubts about some of Trump's policies being too this or too that, just like Signym (or 6ix) (or 1kiki).

Republicans turned on Nixon. Here’s why they won’t turn on Trump: as was NOT the case in 1974, Republicans now have counterfactual media that allows or compels them to ignore blatant lawbreaking.
https://prospect.org/impeachment/republicans-turned-on-nixon-trump-imp
eachment-media/

Republicans haven’t always responded to the clear criminality of a Republican president with indifference, or with fury at those who call the crime a crime.

A straightforward reading of U.S. law makes clear that Trump’s threat to Ukrainian President Zelensky violated 52 U.S. Code 30121, which makes it unlawful for “a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph A of paragraph 1 from a foreign national.” That subparagraph A defines what it’s unlawful to solicit, accept, or receive as “a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value … in connection with a Federal, State, or local election.” 99.999 percent of the American people don’t know the particulars of 52 U.S. Code 30121, but only those in tribal denial don’t grasp that threatening Ukraine unless it cooked up something to help Trump besmirch Joe Biden violated something fundamental.

Why no Republican demands to investigate Trump? What changed the Republican Party? Nixon, after all, relied on tribal enmity no less than Trump. Nixon’s campaigns railed against Democrats, whom it mushed together with radicals, crazy kids, militant blacks, and hippies. Nixon was a vastly more intelligent pol (and man) than Trump, but he built his career on the fear and loathing he stoked within his base for his political adversaries.

Nonetheless, the GOP bowed to the evidence and deserted Nixon.

So why the difference now? What enables Republicans to deny, ignore, or not care about the evidence—not just in the Ukrainian affair? That denial, ignorance, and indifference extends well beyond the case of Donald Trump, to such other notable realities as planet-threatening climate change. How did the “ism” that Republicans scorn the most become empiricism?

More at https://prospect.org/impeachment/republicans-turned-on-nixon-trump-imp
eachment-media/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I'm not ignorant to what the media has to say about Trump.

You were on to something when you started off about the counterfactual media. Because that is what it is. They've been lying for years. You know they've been lying for years.

All the Democrats have to do is call Trump on the real bullshit he says. Stuff like, yanno, how wonderful the economy is doing today. It might be better right now than at any time under the Obama administration, but that is almost like saying that your house that was on fire was put out, and even though you don't have homeowners insurance at least it's not on fire anymore.

Or they could ask why we're still in all these wars. Why he's no different than GWB or Obama was on that front either.

But they won't ask him any of that because they're not actually interested in solving any problems that mean anything to people. They are the pro war party today, and as long as they have health insurance and donor money, they don't give a shit about the economy anymore either.

They're going to instead pull this impeachment bullshit, because they have absolutely nothing to offer. Maybe even have Hillary Clinton come out and announce her candidacy for round two.

I'd love it if that rumor were true. Then we'll really get to see hypocrisy in full swing around here.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 10:36 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So let's break down what the M$M generously calls "facts"

Here's a fact from the White House:

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So let's break down what the M$M generously calls "facts"

Here's a fact from the White House:

TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me."

Yeah. So?

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 10:57 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
I've disagreed with a lot of stuff Trump has done, or wants to do. I even tried to engage you all in discussing something other than BULLLSHIT and empty VIRTUE SIGNALLING in quite a number of those!
Our economy and finances? Hello?
War? Oh that's right, you think discussing whether we should kill a million more people is pointless!
Reindustrialization?
The environment? Global climate shift?
There's lots to talk about, and a lot of areas to disagree with Trump!
But ... you couldn't be bothered.
Bitch.- SIGNY

I've been around since the say of Nixon-voting Republicans ...-SEONDHAND

Is this supposed to be some sort of response to my post? If so it gets an epic fail because

a) I'm not a Republican SECONDRATE, as you know
b) SECONDHAND is once again failing to use the QUOTE function, making it difficult to dig SECONDHAND's opiniom from someone else's.

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Republicans turned on Nixon. Here’s why they won’t turn on Trump: as was NOT the case in 1974, Republicans now have counterfactual media that allows or compels them to ignore blatant lawbreaking.

Oh yes, thank you for reminding me about another counterfactual "point" that the M$M brought up ... it breathlessly opined that Trump placing the record of the call on a super-secret server demonstrated "knowledge of guilt" but failed to make the comparison to Hillary bleach-bitting 33,000 emails.
Hello??

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Republicans haven’t always responded to the clear criminality of a Republican president

WHAT "criminality"? You failed to make your "case" on every single point, and yet you have this idee fixe (or this propagnada talking point) that Trump somehow broke the law.

WHAT DID HE DO? Did he threaten Ukrainian head of state? Offer a quid pro quo? Pressure Australia? Do any of the half-dozen things that the CIA "whistlblower" (ie spy/ mole) fabricated and that the M$M turned into a gargantuan crappuccino?

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A straightforward reading of U.S. law makes clear that Trump’s threat

THERE WAS NO THREAT. If this is what you're basing your outrage on, son, take the tinfoil off your head and climb down from your soapbox.

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blah blah blah blah- SECONDHAND

Jeezus.
This consistent lying by the CIA, M$M, and Congressional Democrats should tell you something, but of course, it doesn't. You fail to see the big picture, and you believe the lies.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 11:13 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
So let's break down what the M$M generously calls "facts" - SIGNY

Here's a fact from the White House:
TRUMP: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me." - CC

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that "ask".
But if you think that's wrong, then MI6 investigating Trump for Clinton DURING AN ACTIVE CAMPAIGN was also wrong.

Like other ideologically-possessed people [of both sides], you fail to apply your own standards to yourself.

And how about foreign intelligence setting traps (dangles) for a political rival, or foreign intelligence fabricating "evidence" to smear a political rival, or threatening a foreign government in some way to get a less-than-tranparent outcome?

Bad, right?

BTW, you failed to notice that this phone conversation happened WELL BEFORE Biden tossed his hat into the ring, so you can't even say that Trump was trying to ruin his campaign, because Biden had none.

You people are idiots. Why don't you come up with a REAL criticism of Trump? Why do you rely on made-up stuff? It's not like there aren't policy issues to criticize!

Yanno, I was going to write Tulsi Gabbard in for President, but watching the CIA, the M$M, Congressional Democrats and you, my friends, endlessly spewing lies about Trump makes me want to vote for him, just to spite you.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:26 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see absolutely nothing wrong with that "ask".

Of course you don't - you're a hardcore Trumper trying to get us to think you are "open."
I'm not ok with presidents asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on their rivals. Pretty sure it's a no-no constitutionally as well - we'll see.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But if you think that's wrong, then MI6 investigating Trump for Clinton DURING AN ACTIVE CAMPAIGN was also wrong.

Like other ideologically-possessed people [of both sides], you fail to apply your own standards to yourself.

And how about foreign intelligence setting traps (dangles) for a political rival, or foreign intelligence fabricating "evidence" to smear a political rival, or threatening a foreign government in some way to get a less-than-tranparent outcome?

Bad, right?

^ Weak ass SIGGY deflections that would probably fall apart if anyone wanted to bother.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, you failed to notice that this phone conversation happened WELL BEFORE Biden tossed his hat into the ring, so you can't even say that Trump was trying to ruin his campaign, because Biden had none.

Wrong of course. I will never understand how you can take such pride in being so wrong.

The phone call was July 25th, Biden declared in April.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You people are idiots. Why don't you come up with a REAL criticism of Trump? Why do you rely on made-up stuff?

Except it's not made up - so we're doing that.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, I was going to write Tulsi Gabbard in for President, but watching the CIA, the M$M, Congressional Democrats and you, my friends, endlessly spewing lies about Trump makes me want to vote for him, just to spite you.

Wow, really?? I would never have guessed! *snort* We knew all along you were. The Gabbard thing was another deflection, probably from your special newsletter you subscribe to, "make noise for Gabbard." You've been a Trumper and always will be as long as he's as disruptive as he is.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:55 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Republicans haven’t always responded to the clear criminality of a Republican president
WHAT "criminality"? You failed to make your "case" on every single point, and yet you have this idee fixe (or this propagnada talking point) that Trump somehow broke the law.

Today, Trump cheated on his taxes. A whistleblower turned Trump in. Cheat is a vague word. Signym, you want something precise. You want to know what crime did Trump do? I cannot say because Trump is keeping his tax returns secret, but he promised that he would make them public. He committed a crime, but nobody knows what, exactly, he did, until those returns are pried away from Trump's control. Maybe Trump did almost nothing wrong. Maybe not. Maybe it is a huge crime. Can't tell until Trump's IRS or Trump's accountants cooperate and make Trump's returns public. Trump promised to do it. All Presidents make their returns public. You can see years of other Presidents' returns, but not Trump's, except for 2 pages from 2005. www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns

www.businessinsider.com/whistleblower-alleges-inappropriate-action-ove
r-trump-taxe-returns-2019-10

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 3:24 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
Of course you don't - you're a hardcore Trumper trying to get us to think you are "open."

And what are YOU, oh lying one?

Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
I'm not ok with presidents asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on their rivals. Pretty sure it's a no-no constitutionally as well - we'll see.

That whole line - it's just more of that made-up shit you love so much.

And BTW, ** I'm ** not in favor of the CIA running a soft coup on our own US president. And this sure smells like one.

BTW, all you shit-swallowing never-Trumpers have a perfectly legitimate, democracy-loving way to get rid of him - at the ballot box, in the election.

You must really hate democracy and upholding the results of democratic elections to be doing what you're doing.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But if you think that's wrong, then MI6 investigating Trump for Clinton DURING AN ACTIVE CAMPAIGN was also wrong.

Like other ideologically-possessed people [of both sides], you fail to apply your own standards to yourself.

And how about foreign intelligence setting traps (dangles) for a political rival, or foreign intelligence fabricating "evidence" to smear a political rival, or threatening a foreign government in some way to get a less-than-tranparent outcome?
Bad, right?

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Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
^ Weak ass SIGGY deflections that would probably fall apart if anyone wanted to bother.

Weak ass MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ deflections that would probably fall apart if anyone wanted to bother.
So let me bother.
There was NO quid-pro-quo between Trump and Zelensky, because 1) Zelensky was never contacted by Giuliani ahead of time, 2) Zelensky didn't know the money was withheld, and 3) he never felt pressured.
Without that, ALL YOU HAVE is Trump calling to ask a foreign leader to look into possible illegal activities of Americans while they were living abroad, and potential illegal interference by Ukrainians in the US elections.
OMFingG.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, you failed to notice that this phone conversation happened WELL BEFORE Biden tossed his hat into the ring, so you can't even say that Trump was trying to ruin his campaign, because Biden had none.

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Wrong of course. I will never understand how you can take such pride in being so wrong.
The phone call was July 25th, Biden declared in April.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You people are idiots. Why don't you come up with a REAL criticism of Trump? Why do you rely on made-up stuff?

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Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
Except it's not made up - so we're doing that.

WHAT part isn't 'made up' again?

The part about quid pro quo?

The part about Giuliani?

The part about Zelensky being pressured?

You mean THOSE non-made-up made-up parts?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, I was going to write Tulsi Gabbard in for President, but watching the CIA, the M$M, Congressional Democrats and you, my friends, endlessly spewing lies about Trump makes me want to vote for him, just to spite you.

Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
Wow, really?? I would never have guessed! *snort* We knew all along you were. The Gabbard thing was another deflection, probably from your special newsletter you subscribe to, "make noise for Gabbard." You've been a Trumper and always will be as long as he's as disruptive as he is.

How do you get YOUR advice, MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 3:32 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
Of course you don't - you're a hardcore Trumper trying to get us to think you are "open."
And what are YOU, oh lying one?
Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
I'm not ok with presidents asking foreign leaders to dig up dirt on their rivals. Pretty sure it's a no-no constitutionally as well - we'll see.
That whole line - it's just more of that made-up shit you love so much.

And BTW, ** I'm ** not in favor of the CIA running a soft coup on our own US president. And this sure smells like one.

BTW, all you shit-swallowing never-Trumpers have a perfectly legitimate, democracy-loving way to get rid of him - at the ballot box, in the election.

You must really hate democracy and upholding the results of democratic elections to be doing what you're doing.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But if you think that's wrong, then MI6 investigating Trump for Clinton DURING AN ACTIVE CAMPAIGN was also wrong.

Like other ideologically-possessed people [of both sides], you fail to apply your own standards to yourself.

And how about foreign intelligence setting traps (dangles) for a political rival, or foreign intelligence fabricating "evidence" to smear a political rival, or threatening a foreign government in some way to get a less-than-tranparent outcome?
Bad, right?
Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
^ Weak ass SIGGY deflections that would probably fall apart if anyone wanted to bother.
Weak ass MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ deflections that would probably fall apart if anyone wanted to bother.
So let me bother.
There was NO quid-pro-quo between Trump and Zelensky, because 1) Zelensky was never contacted by Giuliani ahead of time, 2) Zelensky didn't know the money was withheld, and 3) he never felt pressured.
Without that, ALL YOU HAVE is Trump calling to ask a foreign leader to look into possible illegal activities of Americans while they were living abroad, and potential illegal interference by Ukrainians in the US elections.
OMFingG.
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, you failed to notice that this phone conversation happened WELL BEFORE Biden tossed his hat into the ring, so you can't even say that Trump was trying to ruin his campaign, because Biden had none.
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Wrong of course. I will never understand how you can take such pride in being so wrong.
The phone call was July 25th, Biden declared in April.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You people are idiots. Why don't you come up with a REAL criticism of Trump? Why do you rely on made-up stuff?
Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
Except it's not made up - so we're doing that.
WHAT part isn't 'made up' again?

The part about quid pro quo?

The part about Giuliani?

The part about Zelensky being pressured?

You mean THOSE non-made-up made-up parts?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, I was going to write Tulsi Gabbard in for President, but watching the CIA, the M$M, Congressional Democrats and you, my friends, endlessly spewing lies about Trump makes me want to vote for him, just to spite you.

Quote:
Originally posted by MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ:
Wow, really?? I would never have guessed! *snort* We knew all along you were. The Gabbard thing was another deflection, probably from your special newsletter you subscribe to, "make noise for Gabbard." You've been a Trumper and always will be as long as he's as disruptive as he is.
How do you get YOUR advice, MUSHYCEREALBRAINZ?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/rinse/spin/repeat/ cycle they mistake for reality.

I think I broke the Kiki.

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Wednesday, October 2, 2019 4:15 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:

I think I broke the Kiki.

Trump's illness has infected 1kiki: "Trump is just raving these days, both online and off, and a few minutes ago he practically melted down in public while the president of Finland stoically stared into his hands." It Just Keeps Getting Worse
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/10/it-just-keeps-getting-worse/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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