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And please, CC, don't try to school me in money. I know way more than you do about it.

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I'm just pointing out that my real life would stand up to any reality-testing anyone could care to put it through.- KIKI

WHO WOULD FEEL THE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT??

"No, no, I not a bot. I is reality, you try you see. I has good family, acquaintances. I am real girl."

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DESPITE DAMNING TEXTS, TRUMP SAYS THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO

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Behind the scenes, concerns were being raised by a senior US diplomat in Ukraine, Bill Taylor, that the aid had been held up.
"Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?" Taylor texted Sondland on September 1.

"Call me," Sondland responded. The context of Taylor's text message is not clear from the messages released by the committee.

A week later, Taylor was even more concerned, texting Sondland: ["As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."

Sondland responded, "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions. The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign."

Sondland then suggested that if Taylor had additional concerns, he should reach out to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's assistant.

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
Honey, I APPRECIATE KNOWING you are a liar and a pretender, and the more you try to convince me you are what you seem the more ridiculous you look.

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"Flat-Out False": WaPo Calls Out Adam Schiff For Lying About Whistleblower

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) was called out by the Washington Post for claiming last month that his panel had "not spoken directly with the whistleblower" - a CIA employee whose second-hand account of a phone conversation between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky sparked impeachment proceedings.

"Have you heard from the whistleblower? Do you want to hear from the whistleblower? What protections could you provide to the whistleblower?" Schiff was asked during a Sept. 17 interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

"We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower. We would like to," replied Schiff, adding "But I am sure the whistleblower has concerns that he has not been advised, as the law requires, by the inspector general or the director of national Intelligence just how he is supposed to communicate with Congress, and so the risk to the whistleblower is retaliation."

After it was revealed that the whistleblower approached Schiff's panel - which then directed him to a Democrat attorney, the Post gave Schiff four Pinocchios for his statement, which they called "Flat-out false."

"Schiff on 'Morning Joe' clearly made a statement that was false," said the fact-checker. "He now says he’s was answering the wrong question, but if that was the case, he should have quickly corrected the record. He compounded his falsehood by telling reporters a few days later that if not for the [inspector general's] office, the committee would not have known about the complaint. That again suggested there had been no prior communication."

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Fact Checker Analysis
Schiff’s false claim his committee had not spoken to the whistleblower



Cooper: “Just to be clear, you don’t know who this alleged whistleblower is or what they are alleging?”

Schiff: “I don’t know the identity of the whistleblower.”

Cooper: “And they haven’t contacted you or their legal representation hasn’t contacted you?”

Schiff: “I don’t want to get into any particulars. I want to make sure that there’s nothing that I do that jeopardizes the whistleblower in any way.”

This is a classic dodge — “don’t want to get into any particulars” — and Cooper failed to follow up. Notice how Schiff quickly answered whether he knew the identity of the whistleblower — “I don’t know” — but then sidestepped the questions about whether the committee had been contacted. But in doing so, he managed not to mislead; he just simply did not answer the question.

Sept. 17, interview on “Morning Joe”

Sam Stein: “Have you heard from the whistleblower? Do you want to hear from the whistleblower? What protections could you provide to the whistleblower?” …

Schiff: “We have not spoken directly with the whistleblower. We would like to. But I am sure the whistleblower has concerns that he has not been advised, as the law requires, by the inspector general or the director of national Intelligence just how he is supposed to communicate with Congress, and so the risk to the whistleblower is retaliation.”

This is flat-out false. Unlike the quick two-step dance he performed with Anderson Cooper, Schiff simply says the committee had not spoken to the whistleblower. Now we know that’s not true.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And now, back to the topic at hand ...

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It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.

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CIA's top lawyer made criminal referral on whistleblower's complaint about Trump conduct

WASHINGTON — Weeks before the whistleblower's complaint became public, the CIA's top lawyer made what she considered a criminal referral to the Justice Department about the whistleblower's allegations that President Donald Trump abused his office in pressuring the Ukrainian president, U.S. officials familiar with the matter tell NBC News.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cias-top-lawyer-made-criminal-
referral-on-whistleblowers-complaint-about-trump-conduct/ar-AAIiHa3?ocid=spartandhp

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It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a U.S. election.

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That reads to me like it is illegal for American politicians to accept bribes. I can't imagine how you might look at something of non-monetary value. So I suppose that might include Hillary soliciting funds from Saudi Arabia, but not include Obama soliciting help in "investigating" Trump. And where does that place Burisma providing a nice cozy sinecure for the son the the VP?

Why can't you just accept that Dems are just as dirty as the GOP, and probably dirtier than Trump?

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6. Republicans in general
2. Donald Trump.
6. Republicans in general
6. Republicans in general
6. Republicans in general
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And please, CC, don't try to school me in money. I know way more than you do about it.

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He knows "WAY" more?
Better not tell him he's gonna have the shittiest retirement on Earth, CC.
He knows "WAAAY" more, dude. With those credentials you might be in real trouble...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
consequences to your hostile online behavior.

I happen to know for a fact that KIKI is not my sock puppet because KIKI's posts are't mine.


Bitch.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



And I don't spend my days buying a bunch of shit I don't need like everybody else either.

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Not that the following story will change your mind, but I do have many decades of experience with many, many Trump voters and I have come to conclusions about them, conclusions they would feel are unfair if they knew. On with the story (where you substitute the word "GOP" for cult and "Trump" for UFO. You will get the idea as you read):

When you're evaluating persuasive arguments about something strange, there are two perspectives you can choose, the inside one or the outside one.

Say that some people show up at your front door one day wearing funny robes, asking you if you will join their movement. They believe that a UFO is going to visit Earth two years from now, and it is our task to prepare humanity for the Great Upbeaming.

The inside view requires you to engage with these arguments on their merits. You ask your visitors how they learned about the UFO, why they think it's coming to get us—all the normal questions a skeptic would ask in this situation.

Imagine you talk to them for an hour, and come away utterly persuaded. They make an ironclad case that the UFO is coming, that humanity needs to be prepared, and you have never believed something as hard in your life as you now believe in the importance of preparing humanity for this great event.

But the outside view tells you something different. These people are wearing funny robes and beads, they live in a remote compound, and they speak in unison in a really creepy way. Even though their arguments are irrefutable, everything in your experience tells you you're dealing with a cult.

Of course, they have a brilliant argument for why you should ignore those instincts, but that's the inside view talking.

The outside view doesn't care about content, it sees the form and the context, and it doesn't look good.

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And I don't spend my days buying a bunch of shit I don't need like everybody else either.

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Faux Virtue Signalling. This is what a pile of ego crap looks like.

You don't buy things because you ain't got the dough to spare, and kids or no, you most likely never will.

Maybe suck up to Kikibot, and she'll leave you some of her piles of gold??

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump.
3. Texas Republicans.
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs.
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
7. Conservatives

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Why can't you just accept that Dems are just as dirty as the GOP, and probably dirtier than Trump? - SIGNY

Not that the following story will change your mind, but I do have many decades of experience with many, many Trump voters and I have come to conclusions about them, conclusions they would feel are unfair if they knew. On with the story (where you substitute the word "GOP" for cult and "Trump" for UFO. You will get the idea as you read):

When you're evaluating persuasive arguments about something strange, there are two perspectives you can choose, the inside one or the outside one.

Say that some people show up at your front door one day wearing funny robes, asking you if you will join their movement. They believe that a UFO is going to visit Earth two years from now, and it is our task to prepare humanity for the Great Upbeaming.

The inside view requires you to engage with these arguments on their merits. You ask your visitors how they learned about the UFO, why they think it's coming to get us—all the normal questions a skeptic would ask in this situation.

Imagine you talk to them for an hour, and come away utterly persuaded. They make an ironclad case that the UFO is coming, that humanity needs to be prepared, and you have never believed something as hard in your life as you now believe in the importance of preparing humanity for this great event.

But the outside view tells you something different. These people are wearing funny robes and beads, they live in a remote compound, and they speak in unison in a really creepy way. Even though their arguments are irrefutable, everything in your experience tells you you're dealing with a cult.

Of course, they have a brilliant argument for why you should ignore those instincts, but that's the inside view talking.

The outside view doesn't care about content, it sees the form and the context, and it doesn't look good.

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Later is here: A Trump loving employee mexican day laborer was wring on your house. You later disciver that some power tools are missing

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Dear daughter and I happened to be following an Amazon Prime van. She noticed a few gizmos over the back doors of the van; I realized they were a small camera and a small floodlight. The camera had a 360 lens. I explained to dear daughter that the camera could see and record the delivery person all the way from the van's back door to the customer's front door. It would prevent customers from claiming that a package had never been delivered. It would also prevent employees from stealing. I explained that Amazon pays its employees like shit and treats them like shit, and therefore some employees might seek to boost their pay with theft.

It's too bad that the camera system can't stop porch pirates. Theft has become rampant in our neighborhood, with people coming in from other neighborhoods to steal from porches, cars, and houses. Sunce this is CA, and most of these people are Hispanic, it's unlikely that they're Trump supporters.

Jeez, get a grip.

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And please, CC, don't try to school me in money. I know way more than you do about it.

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He knows "WAY" more?
Better not tell him he's gonna have the shittiest retirement on Earth, CC.
He knows "WAAAY" more, dude. With those credentials you might be in real trouble...

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And please, CC, don't try to school me in money. I know way more than you do about it. SIX

He knows "WAY" more?
Better not tell him he's gonna have the shittiest retirement on Earth, CC.
He knows "WAAAY" more, dude. With those credentials you might be in real trouble... - WISHY

Guessing when he retires he'll still be trying to fix his porch. -CC

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8. Russia
8. Russia
8. Russia
8. Russia
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One way or another, this is it. This is the part where the global capitalist ruling classes teach us all a lesson. The lesson they intend to teach us is the same old lesson that masters have been teaching slaves since the dawn of slavery.

The lesson is, “abandon hope.”

The lesson is, “resistance is futile.”

The lesson is, “shut up, eat your tofu, get back to work at your three gig jobs, service your school loans and your credit card debt, vote for who and what we tell you, and be grateful we don’t fucking kill you. Oh, yeah … and if you want to rebel against something, feel free to take up identity politics, or to march around town with posters of Saint Greta demanding that we stop destroying the planet. We’ll get right on that, don’t you worry.”

What? You thought this had a happy ending, that Trumpenstein and the Bride of Trumpenstein were going to ride off into the orange sunrise at Mar-a-Lago in a Trump-branded golf cart, having made America great again … or that Bernie was going to storm the castle, vanquish Trumpenstein, and set up something resembling basic social democracy?

I told you it was a horror film, didn’t I?

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So, I listen to old news, in this case NBC, to refresh my memory of how the news is morphed day by day to maintain the narrative even as facts fail. 'Facts' are dropped by day by, never to reappear.

I don't have news gong all the way back to the beginning ... but here are a few highlights of the ever-changing facts about Ukrainegate.

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SECOND, if you haven't figured out my point, all you're saying is that when confronted with a narrative with compelling internal logic, but that is at odds with the narrative that you've already learned (which has its own internal logic), you reject the unfamiliar in favor of the familiar. That's all that you mean by "inside" (when you follow the logic of the other narrative) versus "outside" (when you stick with the narrative that you're familiar with. Even if you don't explicitly know what your internal logic is, it generates a "gut feeling".)

Limiting yourself to either reaction is pretty silly. The question is HOW DO YOU HANDLE FUNDAMENTALLY NEW INFORMATION?

DO you handle new information?

We are taught from our first moments what to look for and how to see things. Literally, how to see things. When you give something a name, you make it a "thing". There was a neuroscientist who did an experiment on his daughter ... he never used the word "blue" to describe a color just to see how long it would take her to natively see it. IIRC, it took something like five or six years before she realized there was this other color.

Our culture gives us a filter to sift experiences. That filter extends to abstract things as well ... how nature works, gravity and electrons, how humans behave, how people are SUPPOSED to behave, money, society...

Sometimes, we see the same things in an entirely different way, and whole new picture comes into focus and it makes crystal clear sense. HOLY FUCK! moments. Those moments are blessed; it's called inspiration. Like the guy who saw the world map and thought that Africa and the Americas once fitted together.

But most of the time, it's kind of an intellectual slog.

When someone shows me a new way of looking at something, I don't trust it, but I do try to understand it. If I react negatively to it, I have to ask myself WHY. What assumption is it countervening? Is that assumption wrong? Has my assumption failed to predict or explain past events? Does the new way of looking at things work better to explain and predict the world? Does it make sense? How does it impact other things that I know? Sometimes I reject, partially or in whole, what I'm hearing. Sometimes I accept part of it. However, I've been exposed to so many new PsOV that I no longer freak out when I hear them. I have a large mental warehouse called "interesting if true" and I can pull those pieces out from time to time and see if they fit the picture puzzle that is the world.

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Sigh.

Gee, for a moment there SECOND, you were almost thinking.

YOUR cult-like belief is that all Republicans are all bad, and its corollary is that all Democrats are all good. You repeat that mantra to yourself and to everyone else endlessly, every day. It would never occur to you that some Republicans did good things, and that many Democrats are corrupt power seekers who've not only sold their souls to the the globalists, they've sold us too.

Well, that's the filter you choose to stick with, and until you choose to wake up and look AT REALITY in all of its messiness, there's no reason to discuss this with you.

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Here are a few highlights of the ever-changing 'facts' about Ukrainegate.

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Good post!

It seemz to me that education haz a major element uv limiting peepl'z ability to consider alternativz. Trainz them to depend on Authority for opinionz insted uv formulating their own.

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I was taught how to think for myself JO. Not how I should think. With that, and my own life experiences, I've leaned for myself what to look for. No one tells me. That's the difference between growing up Russian or growing up American. USA USA USA

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Good post!

It seemz to me that education haz a major element uv limiting peepl'z ability to consider alternativz. Trainz them to depend on Authority for opinionz insted uv formulating their own.

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I was taught how to think for myself JO. Not how I should think. With that, and my onw life experiences, I've leaned for myself what to look for. No one tells me. That's the difference between growing up Russian or growing up American. USA USA USA

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