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Who Is Running In 2020?

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Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:27 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Why do I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that Hillary Clinton won the Iowa caucus?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why do I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that Hillary Clinton won the Iowa caucus?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

And these clowns are the folk who claim they can run Single Payer Healthcare for 350Million Americans.

And that they can reset the thermostat on the Sun, which will then stop heating up the Earth along with every other hunk of rock in our solar system.



https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/02/04/shadow-hillary-
staffers-n2560675

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Wednesday, February 5, 2020 8:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


So who thinks it will be Biden? Hilliary? Doomberg? Other?

Can any of them beat Trump, as long as he is still alive?

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Wednesday, February 5, 2020 11:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I couldn't even tell you man. They're so corrupt and don't even bother trying to hide it anymore. Does it even matter who the Democrat voters choose at this point?

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Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:36 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mayor-pete-challenges-iowa-results-214
341714.html


Mayor Pete Challenges Iowa Results Now That Bernie Is Leading

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Thursday, February 6, 2020 7:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol geez...

Bernie is leading now?

When did that happen?

These Democrat morons can't even properly rig their own elections or get their bullshit stories straight beforehand.

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Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mayor-pete-challenges-iowa-results-214
341714.html


Mayor Pete Challenges Iowa Results Now That Bernie Is Leading

Bernie had won outright the first 2 rounds. So they listed him in 2nd place.
Hadn't heard they moved him up to 1st.




Don't Democrats usually want a couple weeks after polling has closed to cough up their version of vote count?


hooo, boy.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/06/beyond-absurd-dnc-chair-t
om-perez-demands-recanvass-iowa-caucus-results-fully


https://nytimespost.com/iowa-democratic-party-chair-ignores-dnc-calls-
for-recount-of-caucus
/

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Thursday, February 6, 2020 11:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

The whole Democrat party has turned itself into a meme in 2020.

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Friday, February 7, 2020 2:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


This is an interesting take, which basically says US politics have become so tribal, that policies, platforms, and messaging don't matter. What matters is whipping up hatred for 'the other' to drive your side out to vote.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-pro
file-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944?utm_source=pocket-newtab


Bitecofer’s view of the electorate is driven, in part, by a new way to think about why Americans vote the way they do. ... the concept of “negative partisanship,” the idea that voters are more motivated to defeat the other side than by any particular policy goals.

In a piece explaining his work in POLITICO Magazine, Abramowitz wrote: “Over the past few decades, American politics has become like a bitter sports rivalry, in which the parties hang together mainly out of sheer hatred of the other team, rather than a shared sense of purpose. Republicans might not love the president, but they absolutely loathe his Democratic adversaries. And it’s also true of Democrats, who might be consumed by their internal feuds over foreign policy and the proper role of government were it not for Trump.”

Bitecofer took this insight and mapped it across the country. As she sees it, it isn’t quite right to refer to a Democratic or Republican “base.” Rather, there are Democratic and Republican coalitions, the first made of people of color, college-educated whites and people in metropolitan areas; the second, mostly noncollege whites, with a smattering of religious-minded voters, financiers and people in business, largely in rural and exurban counties.

“In the polarized era, the outcome isn’t really about the candidates. What matters is what percentage of the electorate is Republican and Republican leaners, and what percentage is Democratic and Democratic leaners, and how they get activated,” she said.

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Friday, February 7, 2020 2:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


If that's true, that would leave Signy's questions: what's in America's interests, what can we agree on, what can we work together on? as a lone voice in the wilderness, being whipped away by the wind.

This also seems to be the pattern in countries torn apart by war: Why We Hate. I wonder how close this mutual 'demonization of the opposition' might bring us to actual civil war.


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Friday, February 7, 2020 3:00 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Who won Iowa? The DNC.

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Friday, February 7, 2020 3:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
This is an interesting take, which basically says US politics have become so tribal, that policies, platforms, and messaging don't matter. What matters is whipping up hatred for 'the other' to drive your side out to vote.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-pro
file-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944?utm_source=pocket-newtab


Bitecofer’s view of the electorate is driven, in part, by a new way to think about why Americans vote the way they do. ... the concept of “negative partisanship,” the idea that voters are more motivated to defeat the other side than by any particular policy goals.

In a piece explaining his work in POLITICO Magazine, Abramowitz wrote: “Over the past few decades, American politics has become like a bitter sports rivalry, in which the parties hang together mainly out of sheer hatred of the other team, rather than a shared sense of purpose. Republicans might not love the president, but they absolutely loathe his Democratic adversaries. And it’s also true of Democrats, who might be consumed by their internal feuds over foreign policy and the proper role of government were it not for Trump.”

Bitecofer took this insight and mapped it across the country. As she sees it, it isn’t quite right to refer to a Democratic or Republican “base.” Rather, there are Democratic and Republican coalitions, the first made of people of color, college-educated whites and people in metropolitan areas; the second, mostly noncollege whites, with a smattering of religious-minded voters, financiers and people in business, largely in rural and exurban counties.

“In the polarized era, the outcome isn’t really about the candidates. What matters is what percentage of the electorate is Republican and Republican leaners, and what percentage is Democratic and Democratic leaners, and how they get activated,” she said.




I already read that. She's a lucky idiot, and I wouldn't put any stock in anything she has to say.

She also looks 62, but is only 42.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 7, 2020 3:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, I went to 538 to read Nate Silver, and so far his prognostications haven't been all that good. But here we have 2 competing theses - Silver and Bitecofer - and 2 competing predictions (though 538 hasn't come out with an election prediction yet), plus there are your betting sites! which have come out with an opposite prediction to Bitecofer. So there's plenty of mental models out there to compare with the final result.

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Friday, February 7, 2020 5:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Who won Iowa? The DNC.

Looks like it was Hilliary funded Acronym.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/feb/04/what-we-know-about-shad
ow-acronym-and-iowa-caucuse
/

https://www.anotheracronym.org/

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Friday, February 7, 2020 7:41 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, I went to 538 to read Nate Silver, and so far his prognostications haven't been all that good. But here we have 2 competing theses - Silver and Bitecofer - and 2 competing predictions (though 538 hasn't come out with an election prediction yet), plus there are your betting sites! which have come out with an opposite prediction to Bitecofer. So there's plenty of mental models out there to compare with the final result.



No fan of Silver either...

He got lucky years ago and is the perfect model for what Bitecofer's predictions are going to look like in future elections.


I don't like Bitecofer simply because she seems like a repugnant human being, and I didn't like the article because it was written by one or several "woke" leftists who just lap up the shit she's dishing, whether it's her predictions that Trump is going to lose in 2020 or her awful brand of third wave feminist superiority.

Professionally speaking, they're both far overrated. But I don't know anything personal about Silver. Bitecofer is just as gross on the inside as she is on the outside.

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Friday, February 7, 2020 7:46 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
This is an interesting take, which basically says US politics have become so tribal, that policies, platforms, and messaging don't matter. What matters is whipping up hatred for 'the other' to drive your side out to vote.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-pro
file-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Bitecofer’s theory, when you boil it down, is that modern American elections are rarely shaped by voters changing their minds, but rather by shifts in who decides to vote in the first place. To her critics, she’s an extreme apostle of the old saw that “turnout explains everything.”

An Unsettling New Theory: There Is No Swing Voter

What if everything you think you know about politics is wrong? What if there aren’t really American swing voters—or not enough, anyway, to pick the next president? What if it doesn’t matter much who the Democratic nominee is? What if there is no such thing as “the center,” and the party in power can govern however it wants for two years, because the results of that first midterm are going to be bad regardless? What if the Democrats’ big 41-seat midterm victory in 2018 didn’t happen because candidates focused on health care and kitchen-table issues, but simply because they were running against the party in the White House? What if the outcome in 2020 is pretty much foreordained, too?

To the political scientist Rachel Bitecofer, all of that is almost certainly true, and that has made her one of the most intriguing new figures in political forecasting this year.

Bitecofer, a 42-year-old professor at Christopher Newport University in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, was little known in the extremely online, extremely male-dominated world of political forecasting until November 2018. That’s when she nailed almost to the number the nature and size of the Democrats’ win in the House, even as other forecasters went wobbly in the race’s final days. Not only that, but she put out her forecast back in July, and then stuck by it while polling shifted throughout the summer and fall.

And today her model tells her the Democrats are a near lock for the presidency in 2020, and are likely to gain House seats and have a decent shot at retaking the Senate.

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-ele
ction-forecasting-new-theory-108944


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 7:51 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


You know, I live in deep, deep, deep blue California, so it's hard for me to get a gauge on what people elsewhere are thinking. Aside from family and friends, the only other people I've talked with are the young'uns at the restaurant who'll be voting for Sanders in the primary.

So your betting sites are a window into what I might not consider otherwise. But I don't have any particular feel or convincing data for how this is going to go. At this point, I'm not settled on anything - except that with very few exceptions, I'll probably be voting for 'not the democrat' again this year.

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Friday, February 7, 2020 8:00 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You know, I live in deep, deep, deep blue California, so it's hard for me to get a gauge on what people elsewhere are thinking. Aside from family and friends, the only other people I've talked with are the young'uns at the restaurant who'll be voting for Sanders in the primary.

So your betting sites are a window into what I might not consider otherwise. But I don't have any particular feel or convincing data for how this is going to go. At this point, I'm not settled on anything - except that with very few exception, I'll probably voting for 'not the democrat' again this year.

You are so slow, 1kiki. On Monday I sent in my ballot for the Democratic Primary in Texas. It is easy to decide. Now I don't have to do a thing about politics until September, when I mail in my ballot for the November election.
www.harrisvotes.com/SampleBallot/DemocraticSampleBallot.pdf

Bitecofer’s theory, when you boil it down, is that modern American elections are rarely shaped by voters changing their minds, but rather by shifts in who decides to vote in the first place. To her critics, she’s an extreme apostle of the old saw that “turnout explains everything.”

An Unsettling New Theory: There Is No Swing Voter
www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-ele
ction-forecasting-new-theory-108944


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 8:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

You are so slow, 1kiki.
Oh, is it the general election already? Who's the democratic candidate?

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:10 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

You are so slow, 1kiki.
Oh, is it the general election already? Who's the democratic candidate?

Who is gonna be the Republican candidate for President? It could be Pence, or anybody, if Trump drops dead. That is highly likely. Eight Presidents died in office, four by assassination, out of 44 different men, and Trump will be 74 before the election, the oldest President in history, and the heaviest. He is likely to choke to death on his own fat or bleed to death from a stroke during one of his crazy rages.

The only thing you can be sure of is that either a Democrat or Republican will be the next President, but which D or R is unknowable, and in the bigger scheme of things, which party wins is what's important. Trump is a run-of-the-mill Republican, except for mental health problems, and V.P. Mike Pence, who could be next if Trump drops dead before the election, does not have mental issues and is not a career criminal like the President.

Age at Inauguration
www.potus.com/presidential-facts/age-at-inauguration/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Keep hoping that Trump doesn't make it buddy. It's a much more likely scenario than him losing in November or showing Rachel Maddow what's in his taxes.



Seriously people, will somebody kick Second and get that robot out of repeat mode please?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:19 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Yanno, in deep, deep, deep blue California, no matter who I vote for, it'll be just as effective as spitting on the sun to cool it down. So I'm not going to vote for anyone who hasn't earned my vote, no matter what the letter is after their name.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I'm still debating who I'm voting for in the Democrat primary. Do I vote for the potentially least damaging candidate or the potentially most damaging candidate?

Not only can I do my part and sabotage the Democrat vote in Indiana since my vote for president doesn't matter otherwise in my state, but I won't be on any lefty idiots apps of lists of people who don't vote Democrat since they get that information for the apps by voter lists for primaries.


Win/win.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:25 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Yanno, in deep, deep, deep blue California, no matter who I vote for, it'll be just as effective as spitting on the sun to cool it down. So I'm not going to vote for anyone who hasn't earned my vote, no matter what the letter is after their name.

Then move to Russia, 1kiki. There you can have real influence on who is next President. Rumor is Putin favors Republicans, but maybe you can persuade Putin to go with Bernie or whoever you prefer.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Oh... and I found a schematic for Second's synthetic brain on reddit.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:39 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and I found a schematic for Second's synthetic brain on reddit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Your schematic mentions the Queen and Brexit. That is a mistake since I am in Texas, not Britain. And the schematic fails to account for benefits Trump pays me. Your schematic can't handle me winning no matter if the coin flip of an election comes up on the D side or the R side of the coin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 9:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and I found a schematic for Second's synthetic brain on reddit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Your schematic mentions the Queen and Brexit. That is a mistake since I am in Texas, not Britain. And the schematic fails to account for benefits Trump pays me. Your schematic can't handle me winning no matter if the coin flip of an election comes up on the D side or the R side of the coin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




I'm sure your subroutines are altered slightly based on your location.

I dunno though. Maybe that wasn't the Queen of England referenced in your coding. What did you think of the movie Rhapsody?



If I were an NPC like you and had coding in my hypothetical synthetic brain for your little win/win situation, I imagine it would look something like this:

if(Second.FakeMoney == FakeMoney.BIGFAKETAXRETURN)
Second.Don'tGiveAShit = true;



I can imagine this, because I'm not an NPC and I have agency and I am self aware.

What I can't imagine, is what it must be like to rely completely on other people to tell me what to think. It's something that you could never fully explain to me, Second, because it would be like trying to explain what the color Red looks like to a blind person.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:01 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm sure your subroutines are altered slightly based on your location.

I dunno though. Maybe that wasn't the Queen of England referenced in your coding. What did you think of the movie Rhapsody?



If I were an NPC like you and had coding in my hypothetical synthetic brain for your little win/win situation,

I have just now downloaded Bohemian.Rhapsody.2018.720p.WEB-DL.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.mkv. My review? Gay fantasy ending tragically: "In 1992, Queen and Jim Beach established The Mercury Phoenix Trust in Freddie’s honor, dedicated to fighting AIDS worldwide."

The reason Trump won in 2016 was not, she says, because of a bunch of disaffected blue-collar former Democrats in the Midwest; it is because a combination of Jill Stein, Gary Johnson and Evan McMullin pulled away more than 6 percent of voters in a state like Michigan. These were anti-Hillary voters, yes—but they were anti-Trump voters especially, and they are likely to come to the Democratic fold this time around if they’re given a reason.

Trump appears to understand Bitecofer’s theories as well as anyone in politics. He leans into the divisions and negative partisanship. In 2018, Trump turned the midterms into a referendum on him, warning that Democrats would bring crime and chaos into their neighborhoods if they won. There was a turnout surge among Trump voters in some places, but it wasn’t enough to offset the Democratic gains.

Bitecofer already sees the Trump playbook coming together for 2020: warning of a demographic takeover by nonwhites in order to boost turnout among noncollege white voters, and trying to sow chaos in the Democratic ranks so that supporters of a losing primary candidate either stay home or support a third-party candidate.

www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-ele
ction-forecasting-new-theory-108944




The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Then move to Russia, 1kiki. There you can have real influence on who is next President. Rumor is Putin favors Republicans, but maybe you can persuade Putin to go with Bernie or whoever you prefer.
I have exactly one vote, which I will freely exercise in this crippled democracy.

But have you seen the equation, SECOND?

$1 = 1 vote

You, SECOND, you have all SORTS of votes! (assuming you have the money you claim you do). And you have all SORTS of influence! (assuming you know the veeps you claim you know).

Time to get off your heinie, SECOND! and make sure a democrat gets elected! (assuming you actually care about the thing you obsessively post about).





And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:19 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Then move to Russia, 1kiki. There you can have real influence on who is next President. Rumor is Putin favors Republicans, but maybe you can persuade Putin to go with Bernie or whoever you prefer.
I have exactly one vote, which I will freely exercise in this crippled democracy.

But have you seen the equation, SECOND?

$1 = 1 vote


The equation that rules the political world is 1 bullet = one less President. But to solve that equation requires a special person. In fiction, River Tam. In life, Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth.

Assassination of Indira Gandhi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Indira_Gandhi#Assassina
tion


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well then it doesn't matter who I vote for, does it, SECOND?

So what's your malfunction about my vote?

Time to get off your heinie, SECOND, and use your money and influence !! (assuming you have any, of course).

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:33 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well then it doesn't matter who I vote for, does it, SECOND?

So what's your malfunction about my vote?

Time to get off your heinie, SECOND, and use your money and influence !! (assuming you have any, of course).

No matter how many times I tell you, you never understand. I win when a Republican wins, but I vote for Democrats because of what Nixon did during the Vietnam War and all the Republican voters who supported that war. I should have listened to Noam Chomsky, but I was a redneck, not a hippie, so I volunteered. Once there, I discovered that Republicans had totally lost track of reality, even when it was shooting at them. Republican voters are always off the rails, which is why I can depend on them to give me money.

Vietnam is 50 years ago. Chomsky was right then and he remains right:
Noam Chomsky Calls Trump and Republican Allies "Criminally Insane"
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/noam-chomsky-calls-tr
ump-and-republican-allies-criminally-insane
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:37 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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No matter how many times I tell you, you never understand. I win when a Republican wins ...
Well, then SECOND, you OBVIOUSLY don't mean what you say about republicans because you don't exert yourself to walk your talk.

Now I know where you're coming from. Your food bowl.

Time to get off your heinie, SECOND, and use your money and influence !! (assuming you have any, of course).

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:51 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

No matter how many times I tell you, you never understand. I win when a Republican wins ...
Well, then SECOND, you OBVIOUSLY don't mean what you say about republicans because you don't exert yourself to walk your talk.

Now I know where you're coming from. Your food bowl.

Time to get off your heinie, SECOND, and use your money and influence !! (assuming you have any, of course).

I could, but I won't. I am not spending money to pollute the airwaves with political advertisement. If I wanted to be truly effective in politics, my real expertise is killing people from a helicopter. That was almost the best job I ever had, but not as good as Burger King. Free fries and milkshakes! I could use my skills on Trump, but I won't. (Over feeding him or shooting him) I will let the people decide what happens to him. No amount of talking in Vietnam ever changed a Republican's mind about how ridiculous the military strategy was. No amount of political advertising will change a Republican's mind about how ridiculous Trump is.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 10:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm sure your subroutines are altered slightly based on your location.

I dunno though. Maybe that wasn't the Queen of England referenced in your coding. What did you think of the movie Rhapsody?



If I were an NPC like you and had coding in my hypothetical synthetic brain for your little win/win situation,

I have just now downloaded Bohemian.Rhapsody.2018.720p.WEB-DL.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.mkv. My review? Gay fantasy ending tragically: "In 1992, Queen and Jim Beach established The Mercury Phoenix Trust in Freddie’s honor, dedicated to fighting AIDS worldwide."



Do you think that's a fair review?

I mean you downloaded the movie and replied to my post with your review only 15 minutes after I asked the question.

Does your synthetic brain allow you to process the mkv directly in your brain and give immediate output? Kind of like Johnny 5 reading a book?

I know it sounds like sarcasm, Second, but I'm truly trying as hard as I can to understand the mind of an automaton so I can better empathize with your kind in the future.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 7, 2020 11:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Now I know where you're coming from. Your food bowl.

Time to get off your heinie, SECOND, and use your money and influence !! (assuming you have any, of course).

Quote:

I could, but I won't. I am not spending money to pollute the airwaves with political advertisement.
Your money will be far more effective than trolling here, SECOND! You just don't want to - because - food bowl. You certainly can't eat it all, bur damn if anyone else is going to get any!

Time to get off your heinie, SECOND, and use your money and influence !! (assuming you have any, of course).

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

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Friday, February 7, 2020 11:09 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm sure your subroutines are altered slightly based on your location.

I dunno though. Maybe that wasn't the Queen of England referenced in your coding. What did you think of the movie Rhapsody?



If I were an NPC like you and had coding in my hypothetical synthetic brain for your little win/win situation,

I have just now downloaded Bohemian.Rhapsody.2018.720p.WEB-DL.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.mkv. My review? Gay fantasy ending tragically: "In 1992, Queen and Jim Beach established The Mercury Phoenix Trust in Freddie’s honor, dedicated to fighting AIDS worldwide."



Do you think that's a fair review?

I mean you downloaded the movie and replied to my post with your review only 15 minutes after I asked the question.

Does your synthetic brain allow you to process the mkv directly in your brain and give immediate output? Kind of like Johnny 5 reading a book?

I know it sounds like sarcasm, Second, but I'm truly trying as hard as I can to understand the mind of an automaton so I can better empathize with your kind in the future.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

When I play a movie, I have total control. I do things at my speed and make my decisions. I already knew the songs and biography of Freddie Mercury. I did the same on that movie you can't stop praising, Joker. The comic book Joker figured into my loathing of that movie. But there was the mass murdering, Joker killing his Mother, and Joker killing his therapist at Arkham Asylum in the very last scene and tracking the therapist's blood down the hallway. The whole purpose of that movie is icky as is Trump's purpose. Read about Trump's purpose in "Noam Chomsky Calls Trump and Republican Allies "Criminally Insane"" which is much like Joker.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/noam-chomsky-calls-tr
ump-and-republican-allies-criminally-insane
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, February 7, 2020 11:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm sure your subroutines are altered slightly based on your location.

I dunno though. Maybe that wasn't the Queen of England referenced in your coding. What did you think of the movie Rhapsody?



If I were an NPC like you and had coding in my hypothetical synthetic brain for your little win/win situation,

I have just now downloaded Bohemian.Rhapsody.2018.720p.WEB-DL.2CH.x265.HEVC-PSA.mkv. My review? Gay fantasy ending tragically: "In 1992, Queen and Jim Beach established The Mercury Phoenix Trust in Freddie’s honor, dedicated to fighting AIDS worldwide."



Do you think that's a fair review?

I mean you downloaded the movie and replied to my post with your review only 15 minutes after I asked the question.

Does your synthetic brain allow you to process the mkv directly in your brain and give immediate output? Kind of like Johnny 5 reading a book?

I know it sounds like sarcasm, Second, but I'm truly trying as hard as I can to understand the mind of an automaton so I can better empathize with your kind in the future.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

When I play a movie, I have total control. I do things at my speed and make my decisions. I already knew the songs and biography of Freddie Mercury. I did the same on that movie you can't stop praising, Joker. The comic book Joker figured into my loathing of that movie. But there was the mass murdering, Joker killing his Mother, and Joker killing his therapist at Arkham Asylum in the very last scene and tracking the therapist's blood down the hallway. The whole purpose of that movie is icky as is Trump's purpose. Read about Trump's purpose in "Noam Chomsky Calls Trump and Republican Allies "Criminally Insane"" which is much like Joker.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/noam-chomsky-calls-tr
ump-and-republican-allies-criminally-insane
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



You have no control, Second. Your subroutines are in control.

You just downloaded and "watched" Rhapsody in less than 15 minutes and wrote a review on it. This is not human behavior. You are an automaton.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, February 7, 2020 11:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


When we last heard the story ...
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Well, I went to 538 to read Nate Silver, and so far his prognostications haven't been all that good. But here we have 2 competing theses - Silver and Bitecofer - and 2 competing predictions (though 538 hasn't come out with an election prediction yet), plus there are your betting sites! which have come out with an opposite prediction to Bitecofer. So there's plenty of mental models out there to compare with the final result.



No fan of Silver either...

He got lucky years ago and is the perfect model for what Bitecofer's predictions are going to look like in future elections.


I don't like Bitecofer simply because she seems like a repugnant human being, and I didn't like the article because it was written by one or several "woke" leftists who just lap up the shit she's dishing, whether it's her predictions that Trump is going to lose in 2020 or her awful brand of third wave feminist superiority.

Professionally speaking, they're both far overrated. But I don't know anything personal about Silver. Bitecofer is just as gross on the inside as she is on the outside.

Do Right, Be Right. :)


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Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:39 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, I watched the debate last night. The NYTimes said that Butting was a 'winner' but I thought he came across as evasive. There were a couple of questions he was challenged on after he gave non-responsive talking points, and he stumbled in obviously clumsy circles to evade the challenge. It was pretty plain to me. BUT tptb want him to be BidenB, because 'anybody but Sanders', so GO MAYOR PETE is their assessment. Sanders did well, answered the questions and made his points. Warren did OK, answered the questions, made her points, but she got not much air time. Biden tried to come across as 'not sleepy Joe' and came across as a testy old man. He actually did make more points than normal. Klobuchar and Steyer were also in good form. Yang was ... Yang. He got not much airtime, but his mono-argument of give very American $1000 a month doesn't take much airtime.



Steyer is the only one who changed his argument, to 'we need to beat Trump on the economy'.


If you've followed any of the previous debates, you pretty much know what their positions are and how they come across as people. I don't think the ground shifted all that much except for perhaps Klobuchar, who got a lot more airtime and used it well. It might move the needle on a few percent.


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Saturday, February 8, 2020 2:52 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I didn't see it, but I heard that Klobuchar was the only one up there who voiced any opposition to Socialism.

Do you feel that was true?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


That's kind of been her theme all along, especially regarding healthcare. Since I've been following the debates, it didn't stand out for me as new or different from her previous debates. But she did highlight it last night.

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Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Yanno, in deep, deep, deep blue California, no matter who I vote for, it'll be just as effective as spitting on the sun to cool it down. So I'm not going to vote for anyone who hasn't earned my vote, no matter what the letter is after their name.

And if democrats don't do anything different, how are they any better?

I don't recall in your state, but in WI there is a formula for state funding of smaller Parties, like campaign funding based uopon votes in the prior election. So you can vote for the most valid candidate in your smaller elections, but in the state-wides where your vote will be meaningless, you can vote for the favorite smaller Party, regardless of the seat or the candidate (you know they won't win) - because you vote actually will make a difference for the funding of that smaller party. Because that helps balance the discussion. And if any state needs another viable party, it is CA.

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Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I heard the Iowa vote could be tallied the day after New Hampshire completes their tally.

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Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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hooo, boy.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/06/beyond-absurd-dnc-chair-t
om-perez-demands-recanvass-iowa-caucus-results-fully


https://nytimespost.com/iowa-democratic-party-chair-ignores-dnc-calls-
for-recount-of-caucus
/

Does not the DNC certify and allocate which state groups are allowed to have elections on which days, months OR NOT?

Can't the DNC just state that in the next election cycle, Iowa must perform their vote in April or else not be allowed to present electors or delegates at the Dem Convention?
Isn't Iowa poking the bear here?

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Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I didn't realize this was from a couple months ago already.
In that pic, clearly Stretch Pelosi is overdue for another re-stretching.


https://www.thenewscommenter.com/news/2020-democratic-candidates-are-g
oing-too-far-left-says-nancy-pelosi/1225858

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Monday, February 10, 2020 4:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/scheer-intelligence/the-clinton-mac
hine-will-do-anything-to-stop-bernie


“[Bill and Hillary Clinton] set up a machine that was really a juggernaut with all this corporate money they brought in through the Democratic Leadership Committee,” says Blumenthal. “It was a very different structure than we'd seen with previous democratic candidates who relied heavily on unions and the Civil Rights Coalition.

“And that machine never went away,” the journalist goes on. “It kept growing kind of like this amoeba that began to engulf the party and politics itself. So that when Bill Clinton was out of power, the machine was passed to Hillary Clinton, and the machine followed her into the Senate. And the machine grew into the Clinton Global Initiative.”

The two journalists discuss what some of the main reasons Sanders is facing so much resistance within the Democratic Party, in addition to his views on Palestine. Blumenthal believes there will be a repeat of what happened in 1972 when George McGovern ran for president.

“I think that if Bernie Sanders gets the nomination, there will be an effort to ‘McGovern’ him,” he posits. “[The Democratic Party will] hope that Bernie Sanders gets destroyed by Donald Trump, and then wag their fingers at the left for the next 20 years until they get another Bill Clinton.

“I think that they don't know how to stop him at this point,” Blumenthal continues, “but they're willing to let him be the nominee and go down to Donald Trump, because Bernie Sanders threatens their interests, and the movement behind him particularly, more than Donald Trump does.”

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Monday, February 10, 2020 9:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm posting this here because - this writer has a way with words that hits me in the funnybone!



But by far the most bombastic display of unbridled Sanders-Commie-Kill-Swarm-Panic was MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, who totally lost it after the last debate and started sputtering about “socialists” staging public mass-executions in Central Park. Matthews is apparently firmly convinced that Sanders, if he wins the election, plans to dress up like Fidel Castro, march Matthews and his cronies out onto the Great Lawn, and go full-bore Daenerys Targaryen on them. He sat there, trembling, on national television, eyes afire with paranoia, jabbering about the godless “Reds” like a scene from Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove that got cut because it was too over-the-top.

Seriously, though, I doubt he has much to worry about. Regardless of who wins the election this year, the supranational corporatocracy that essentially owns the U.S. government is not about to let Bernie Sanders implement the same basic social programs that most capitalist countries throughout world have provided to their people for decades. Jesus, just imagine the freedomless horror if Americans could go to university, and, you know, maybe raise a child or two, without spending the rest of their lives in debt! Think of the suffering that would inflict on the banks, and insurance companies, and military contractors, not to mention the pharmaceutical industry. God help America, should it go down that road! The next thing you know there’d be high-speed trains, subsidized art, and un-chlorinated chicken … there’s no telling where the nightmare would end.

Look, I don’t normally get invested in the quadrennial Simulation of Democracy, but I’m kind of pulling for Bernie this time. I don’t believe he has a chance, but if he somehow managed to outfox the Democrats and win the nomination this summer, it would be fun to watch as the corporate media and the rest of the neoliberal Resistance react to a Sanders vs. Trump election.

Not that either Sanders or Trump, the men themselves, are a threat to the empire (as we have witnessed over the course of the last three years). But we’re in the middle of a War on Populism, which the global corporatocracy needs to win if it is going to continue to relentlessly destabilize, privatize, and restructure everything, as it has been doing since the end of the Cold War. Sanders and Trump are just symbols, of course, lightning rods for “populist” anger … but they are symbols the empire needs to destroy in order to reestablish “normality.”

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Monday, February 10, 2020 9:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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I'm posting this here because - this writer has a way with words that hits me in the funnybone!





Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 10, 2020 9:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Oh... and I found a schematic for Second's synthetic brain on reddit.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Your schematic mentions the Queen and Brexit. That is a mistake since I am in Texas, not Britain. And the schematic fails to account for benefits Trump pays me. Your schematic can't handle me winning no matter if the coin flip of an election comes up on the D side or the R side of the coin.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




I'm sure your subroutines are altered slightly based on your location.

I dunno though. Maybe that wasn't the Queen of England referenced in your coding. What did you think of the movie Rhapsody?



If I were an NPC like you and had coding in my hypothetical synthetic brain for your little win/win situation, I imagine it would look something like this:

if(Second.FakeMoney == FakeMoney.BIGFAKETAXRETURN)
Second.Don'tGiveAShit = true;



I can imagine this, because I'm not an NPC and I have agency and I am self aware.

What I can't imagine, is what it must be like to rely completely on other people to tell me what to think. It's something that you could never fully explain to me, Second, because it would be like trying to explain what the color Red looks like to a blind person.



Do Right, Be Right. :)







Oh. Hey. I found out what Yaaas Queen means.

We were both wrong!



I still don't know what Slay Queen means, but I think it's pretty safe to assume that your NPC brethren in Texas can use it without fear of British cultural appropriation!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS QUEEN!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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