And it begins... by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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And it begins...

POSTED BY: 6IXSTRINGJACK
UPDATED: Saturday, May 9, 2020 21:22
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Friday, May 8, 2020 10:39 AM

Shot dead, over a face mask.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/michigan-security-guard-mask-killing
-trnd/index.html

Quote:
Three family members charged in shooting death of security guard who told a customer to put on a face mask

Why do I know how things are going to turn out over this?

Because it's all happened before...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2947467.stm

Quote:
Bouncer 'killed over smoking ban'

A nightclub bouncer in New York was stabbed to death as he tried to enforce the city's new ban on smoking in bars, police have said.

But 6ix? How are you going to compare smoking a cigarette to a virus? I hear you asking me.

Well... There are a lot of similarities.

Panic - Decades of school teaching and TV ads telling people that not only will that annoying smoke you don't like the smell of make your clothes smell of it, but it will also give you cancer and make you die.

Shame - How dare you smoke around other people? Even bartenders at bars where everybody is going to put poison in their bodies and hope to hook up and exchange bodily fluids and STDs.

Ultimate Lockdown - That legal substance we taxed the fuck out of and made you pay ten times as much for? Yeah, you can still buy it even though we all know it will kill you because we desperately need the tax revenue, but you can't do it anywhere outside your home and if you rent an apartment you better go find a hidden away patch of woods to do it in because your landlord isn't going to allow you to do it in your apartment either.

And by the way, if you try to smoke in a bar we're going to throw your ass out on the street.

That's probably around where the similarities end though, and that's why I think this time it's going to be FAR worse...

1. After huge year after year increases on taxes, the percentage of people who smoked cigarettes went well below 25%.

2. Cigarette smokers "did it to themselves".

3. Now combine one and two and realize that the 30 million people who lost their jobs due to The Coomph panic did nothing to bring on their current unemployment status and the hundreds of millions of people who are confined to their homes for weeks upon weeks with many of them still having no end in sight who also did nothing to bring about their house arrest.

4. 24/7 coverage of The Coomph terrorizing the shit out of normies and changing the entire way they live their lives, let alone how they behave around other people... essentially making the most feeble minded and paranoid among us viewing each other as enemies when we come within 6 feet of each other out on the streets or in an establishment.

5. 30 million people out of work with nothing to do most of the day but sit with their own thoughts, assuming they can even find any alone time depending on how cramped their family life is when everybody else they live with is forced to stay home 24/7 with them.

6. Netflix and Amazon Prime can't make enough shit fast enough to keep their minds occupied, and the lack of any professional or college sports is making that even worse. Many people tune in even more to the Legacy Media for more horror coverage and start viewing that as "entertainment".

We've gone beyond the amount of time it takes to instill habits, good or bad.

We're literally driving people crazy.

Expect to see a lot more of this, even as things start opening back up.

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Friday, May 8, 2020 11:03 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Three family members charged in shooting death of security guard who told a customer to put on a face mask"

Sad to say, there's always a few nutcases around.

I hope you're not counting on the nutcases arising and overpowering the rest of society.

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Friday, May 8, 2020 11:07 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

"Sanity" is a relative term.

We can't even begin to have a grasp on what we're doing to the collective sanity of society right now and how that might affect a long term shift of that metric.

I'm sure that Revolutionists were labeled as insane by most people who didn't want any trouble and just wanted to submit and do what they were told at the time.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, May 8, 2020 11:30 AM

WHOZIT

It's only a matter of time before a cop gets hurt...or worse. North Jersey, NYC and Chicago are about to explode.

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Friday, May 8, 2020 11:41 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

I'm honestly surprised that it hasn't happened yet.

But it will.

We're a long way away from Revolution. Too much circus and cake... even with no sports.

But eventually the multi-trillion dollar bailouts will end and people won't be able to sit on their asses doing nothing but watching Netflix and the Legacy Media all day if they want to eat. And a lot of them already aren't going to have jobs to go back to even when things open back up.

Better figure out something before that happens.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, May 8, 2020 12:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's only a matter of time before a cop gets hurt...or worse. North Jersey, NYC and Chicago are about to explode.

I'm not finding anything that documents that.

North Jersey
April 21, 2020
Monmouth Poll: Wide approval for Murphy, NJ social distancing measures
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2020/04/21/poll-appr
oval-nj-coronavirus-social-distancing-gov-phil-murphy/2996366001/
Apr 28, 2020
a few hundred protesters gathered
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/open-jersey-now-protestors-in-t
renton-call-on-gov-murphy-to-lift-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

NYC
5/6/20
Governor Cuomo's Coronavirus Response Approval Rating More than Doubles Trump's Among New York Voters: Poll
https://www.newsweek.com/governor-cuomos-coronavirus-response-approval
-rating-more-doubles-trumps-among-new-york-voters-1502446
May 7, 2020
Cuomo, Lamont rate high in Quinnipiac approval poll; Trump not so much
https://westfaironline.com/124383/cuomo-lamont-rate-high-in-quinnipiac
-approval-poll-trump-not-so-much/
(no news results on NYC protests)

Chicago
(no news results on poll/ approval)
(the articles I saw about Chicago protests showed far more reporters than the half-dozen protesters)

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Friday, May 8, 2020 12:09 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Shot dead, over a face mask.
Expect to see a lot more of this, even as things start opening back up.

You're cool with this because it helps lower over population, right?

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Friday, May 8, 2020 3:26 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:
It's only a matter of time before a cop gets hurt...or worse. North Jersey, NYC and Chicago are about to explode.

I'm not finding anything that documents that.

North Jersey
April 21, 2020
Monmouth Poll: Wide approval for Murphy, NJ social distancing measures
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2020/04/21/poll-appr
oval-nj-coronavirus-social-distancing-gov-phil-murphy/2996366001/
Apr 28, 2020
a few hundred protesters gathered
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/open-jersey-now-protestors-in-t
renton-call-on-gov-murphy-to-lift-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

NYC
5/6/20
Governor Cuomo's Coronavirus Response Approval Rating More than Doubles Trump's Among New York Voters: Poll
https://www.newsweek.com/governor-cuomos-coronavirus-response-approval
-rating-more-doubles-trumps-among-new-york-voters-1502446
May 7, 2020
Cuomo, Lamont rate high in Quinnipiac approval poll; Trump not so much
https://westfaironline.com/124383/cuomo-lamont-rate-high-in-quinnipiac
-approval-poll-trump-not-so-much/
(no news results on NYC protests)

Chicago
(no news results on poll/ approval)
(the articles I saw about Chicago protests showed far more reporters than the half-dozen protesters)

When the shit does hit the fan I'm going remind you of this comment...dickhead.

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Friday, May 8, 2020 3:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

If you had provided some links, some quotes, anything at all to back up your claims and give them some context and substance, I wouldn't have had to go digging to try and find things out.

I used 2 different search engines, multiple phrases and words, general info and news categories, and looked at opinion polls and protests - and that's what I came up with.

But aside from nearly non-existent information about a very small number of protestors in 2 of the 3 places you named, I found nothing. I'm just not finding that groundswell that's getting ready to explode that you imply exists in NYC, Chicago, and N Jersey.

If you have any additional information, I'd appreciate it.

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Friday, May 8, 2020 4:05 PM

WHOZIT

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
If you had provided some links, some quotes, anything at all to back up your claims and give them some context and substance, I wouldn't have had to go digging to try and find things out.

I used 2 different search engines, multiple phrases and words, general info and news categories, and looked at opinion polls and protests - and that's what I came up with.

But aside from nearly non-existent information about a very small number of protestors in 2 of the 3 places you named, I found nothing. I'm just not finding that groundswell you imply exists in NYC, Chicago, and N Jersey.

If you have any additional information, I'd appreciate it.

Suck my dick

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Friday, May 8, 2020 4:06 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So much for facts, then.

Bye.

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Friday, May 8, 2020 7:21 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

But somewhat on the topic:

Of course there are the people who deny anything is wrong and want everything just opened up without caution or concern.

But most people are squeezed - between their fear of catching SARS-COV-2 or maybe even passing it on to a loved one - and their need to work - and the piss-poor government response to a historic crisis.

I think if people thought the government reliably had their backs with the emergency relief checks or unemployment or the Payment Protection Program they wouldn't be so stressed. Or if there were realistic (#wearamask) requirements for helping people stay safe as they went back to work they wouldn't be so stressed. But there seems to be nothing. 10M still haven't received their relief checks. Unemployment is swamped and weeks behind. The PPP is inadequate and often misdirected. And there seems to be no positive protection people can use to stay safe besides hoping other people can and will keep their distance and hoping no one coughs on you. And we've seen how well that works at meat packing plants.

People are left dangling, to fend for themselves.

BTW I don't see a lot of people who've lost their employment being depressed over this, I see them being royally pissed off.

My PERSONAL opinion is that people should be allowed to vote in a referendum as to when and how their states should reopen. There are too many people with a vital interest in this to leave it to political pressure groups. And mandatory masks and available hand sanitizers or gloves should be on the list of options to choose, if the majority decides that's how to reopen.

most recent poll numbers:
https://apnews.com/9ed271ca13012d3b77a2b631c1979ce1
AP-NORC poll: Few Americans support easing virus protections
About 8 in 10 Americans say they support measures that include requiring Americans to stay in their homes and limiting gatherings to 10 people or fewer — numbers that have largely held steady over the past few weeks.
While the poll reveals that the feelings behind the protests that materialized in the past week or so in battleground states such as Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are held by only a small fraction of Americans, it does find signs that Republicans are, like President Donald Trump, becoming more bullish on reopening aspects of public life.

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Friday, May 8, 2020 10:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

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Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:12 AM

WHOZIT

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Hey Sig, you must live in a state that's still closed, have you read or heard about spikes in deaths in states that have opened? If there were spikes that's all we would be hearing and reading right now. And when they do open your state you do know you don't have to go out right? You can stay locked in your home and post stupid political cartoons all day and night.

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Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:05 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

Hey Sig, you must live in a state that's still closed, have you read or heard about spikes in deaths in states that have opened? If there were spikes that's all we would be hearing and reading right now.

Give it a week or 2 and revisit that.

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Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:23 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:
Originally posted by whozit:

Hey Sig, you must live in a state that's still closed, have you read or heard about spikes in deaths in states that have opened? If there were spikes that's all we would be hearing and reading right now.
Give it a week or 2 and revisit that.

It sure would be helpful (for some humans) if Covid killed immediately. Bodies just keeling over all day long, anywhere, mostly in large gatherings and where people didn't wear masks or observe social distance. I can imagine *exploding* groups of people, like a pipe bomb from Left 4 Dead - poof! - another group of dummies bites the dust.

In all seriousness, while we are observing every single recommendation to not get infucted, we are very curious to see what the trend lines do through the rest of May and into the first half of June. I wonder how easy it would be to mess with those numbers - lots at stake either way.

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Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:18 AM

WHOZIT

Come November people will pass boarded up business's on their way to the voting booth, they'll be reminded of what their dictators did to them. They'll remember having to wear a mask while waiting in line to get into the supermarket and having to be off the street by 8 pm. Get ready for a Trump landslide this fall.

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Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:59 AM

JONGSSTRAW

The masks and quarantine are staying on for us until we see 14 days in a row with no new cases here. We haven't had even the first day of no new cases yet, so I think this rush to reopen is premature and reckless.

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Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
In all seriousness, while we are observing every single recommendation to not get infucted, we are very curious to see what the trend lines do through the rest of May and into the first half of June. I wonder how easy it would be to mess with those numbers - lots at stake either way.

One thing for sure is that there aren't enough tests. I wonder btw how deliberate that is. If one is in a position of responsibility, it certainly is advantageous to minimize the COVID-19 death count in order to make oneself look better. Anyway, because of the lack of adequate tests, no matter how many confirmed COVID-19 deaths are counted, there will be more actual ones, maybe even many more actual ones.

Fortunately here in the US there are robust statistics on deaths associated with causes, and on total deaths. So 'excess deaths' are a reasonable measure to use. I don't think we'll know down to the last case how many COVID-19 deaths there are, but we'll have a good enough ballpark figure.

There will always be people who either don't want to admit to any facts at all, or will dispute the validity of any measure you put in front of them - like JACK who keeps insisting that COVID-19 is just like 'the' flu, despite that fact that no flu ever led to overwhelmed hospitals, reefer body storage, and mass graves in NYC. Hopefully a majority are saner people who understand that that POV lacks any credibility.

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