A remarkable and nightmarish scene playing out in Portland should terrify anyone who cares about the US constitution by reaverfan

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ANTIFA/BLM and DNC are blaming the violence on Trump!!

When that flames out, betcha dollar to donuts they start blaming Russia.

ANYTHING to shift the blame from themselves.

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Trump takes all his orders from Russia. As a Russian troll, you know that very well.

You'll have to provide credible sources.Do you know what a credible source even is?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:02 PM

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REAVERBOT REALLY HATES THE UNITED STATES: HE THINKS THE ISIS FLAG AND THE USA FLAG ARE THE SAME THING

The ISIS terrorists and the Nazi terrorists are the same thing. They claim different religions, but they're all fascists at the end of the day.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:02 PM

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Rosenbaum does not come up on a search for AZ sex offenders. Looks like the trumptards fell for more fake news.

Can't stop the stupid.
https://www.azdps.gov/node/22093

Nothing for Wisconsin, either.
https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public/offenders

Dummies will believe anything. That's what your lying sources count on.

It was up there. Somebody removed it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:03 PM

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You'll have to provide credible sources.Do you know what a credible source even is?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You're really embarrassed that I proved you wrong twice in such a short time. It's killing you.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:04 PM

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It was up there. Somebody removed it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Nope. It never existed. Because it was a lie.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:04 PM

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Rosenbaum does not come up on a search for AZ sex offenders. Looks like the trumptards fell for more fake news.

Can't stop the stupid.
https://www.azdps.gov/node/22093

Nothing for Wisconsin, either.
https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public/offenders

Dummies will believe anything. That's what your lying sources count on.

It was up there. Somebody removed it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It was up there. Somebody removed it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Nope. It never existed. Because it was a lie.

August 27th, 2020: http://archive.vn/99sfc

http://archive.vn/https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Jo
seph-D-Rosenbaum.html

Today: https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.h
tml

That's some George Soros funded bullshit right there.

Anybody else want to say that this isn't a highly organized operation?

They're even stepping in to lie on behalf of the antifags that get out of line and cause a lot of shit.

GOTTA KEEP THE FALSE NARRATIVE GOING, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!!!

Thankfully Archive.today hasn't been co-opted yet. Archive.org is now part of the enemy Legacy Media. Don't use Archive.org to back up any info anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:09 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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REAVERBOT REALLY HATES THE UNITED STATES: HE THINKS THE ISIS FLAG AND THE USA FLAG ARE THE SAME THING

The ISIS terrorists and the Nazi terrorists are the same thing. They claim different religions, but they're all fascists at the end of the day.

REAVERBOT thinks the American flag and the ISIS flag ... and the Nazi flag! ... are all the same thing!

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:12 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Rosenbaum does not come up on a search for AZ sex offenders. Looks like the trumptards fell for more fake news.

Can't stop the stupid.
https://www.azdps.gov/node/22093

Nothing for Wisconsin, either.
https://appsdoc.wi.gov/public/offenders

Dummies will believe anything. That's what your lying sources count on.

It was up there. Somebody removed it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It was up there. Somebody removed it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Nope. It never existed. Because it was a lie.

August 27th, 2020: http://archive.vn/99sfc

http://archive.vn/https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Jo
seph-D-Rosenbaum.html

Today: https://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/WI60063/Joseph-D-Rosenbaum.h
tml

That's some George Soros funded bullshit right there.

Anybody else want to say that this isn't a highly organized operation?

They're even stepping in to lie on behalf of the antifags that get out of line and cause a lot of shit.

GOTTA KEEP THE FALSE NARRATIVE GOING, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!!!

Thankfully Archive.today hasn't been co-opted yet. Archive.org is now part of the enemy Legacy Media. Don't use Archive.org to back up any info anymore.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You fell for fake news. Twice. Just be a man for once and admit it.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 1:24 PM

White Supremacists Are Invading American Cities To Incite a Civil War
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/30/white-supremacists-are-invadi
ng-american-cities-to-incite-a-civil-war/

Protests in this context are inevitable. And why not? The people of America’s cities have a right to demand action from their city leaders. It’s a problem for America’s cities to sort out, as citizens demand that their representatives fear their political power as much as they do that of the police organizations.

But the conservative white supremacist extremists are not content to allow that to play out. An empowered urban citizenry is a direct threat to their power, an acceleration of their loss of control. The “Boogaloo” movement wants to instigate a civil war along largely racial lines precisely to settle accounts before they suffer any further cultural or demographic declines.

So a few days ago a radicalized white supremacist teenager drove across state lines with the specific intent of killing protesters against racist police violence, and murdered two people and injured a third. He did so after being welcome by local police, given water, and ignored when he attempted to surrender. He is being celebrated in right-wing circles for doing so, and so-called “Christian” groups are funding his legal defense.

Yesterday, convoys of out-of-town trucks and SUVs bearing Trump flags stormed into Portland with the intent of creating confrontation. They allegedly rolled through groups of protesters in their vehicles, shooting projectiles and pepper spray into the crowds. In the ensuing violence, one of the far-right Trump supporters was shot and killed.

The Portland murderer should, of course, be brought to justice. There is no excuse for deadly violence. But all of this is happening because white supremacists are invading American cities with the express intent of starting a civil war. President Trump sees them as “very fine people” who are on his side. He sees the violence as politically beneficial, a useful cudgel against Democratic nominee Joe Biden–even though the violence is happening while Trump himself is president, not Biden.

Trump’s election theme is that Americans won’t be safe in a Biden presidency. The opposite is true. Americans won’t be safe as long as a white supremacist president is leading a movement of bigots to incite a civil war, and attempting to ensure that the majority of Americans with cosmopolitan, egalitarian values remain politically disenfranchised and under the thumb of those who fear and despise them.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 2:27 PM

Truth.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 2:58 PM

From QAnon to Kyle Rittenhouse, the Right is Sinking Deeper Into an Alternate Reality
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-qanon-donald-trump-the
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On August 19, President Donald Trump gave a nod of approval to believers in the QAnon conspiracy theory, which maintains that the president is secretly fighting to save the world from an elite satanic pedophile network, calling them “people that love our country.”

One week later, on August 26, Fox News host Tucker Carlson sympathized with Kyle Rittenhouse, a teenager who killed two Wisconsin Black Lives Matter protesters and maimed another. Carlson suggested Rittenhouse felt he “had to maintain order when no one else would.”

At a glance, these provocations might appear disconnected. But they are deeply intertwined. In the span of a week, Trump and Carlson both gave the green light to extremist elements on the Right, QAnon conspiracy theorists on the one hand and armed pro-police adventurists on the other. In the process they each drew on the same bedrock narrative: that the streets of America — especially Democrat-run cities, but nowhere is safe — are teeming with lawless agents of anarchy who flout authority, terrorize innocents, and threaten civilization itself. Thus besieged, right-wing extremism of one variant or another is not really extreme at all. It is rational, even heroic and patriotic.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 3:18 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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REAVERBOT REALLY HATES THE UNITED STATES: HE THINKS THE ISIS FLAG AND THE USA FLAG ARE THE SAME THING

The ISIS terrorists and the Nazi terrorists are the same thing. They claim different religions, but they're all fascists at the end of the day.
REAVERBOT thinks the American flag and the ISIS flag ... and the Nazi flag! ... are all the same thing!

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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:07 PM

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REAVERBOT thinks the American flag and the ISIS flag ... and the Nazi flag! ... are all the same thing!

Fascists are nationalists, just like ISIS. You lose again, Russian troll.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:08 PM

8/29, Portland shooting of Jay Bishop

Earlier in the day, a pro-Trump motorcade of ~600 cars went through the highway on the edge of Portland. A contingent of them decided to drive into the city and confront antifascist protesters. They brought mace, paint ball guns, and other weapons, which shows they preemptively wanted to attack people. They taped off their license plates, a crime, to hide their identities, and yet the police did nothing which gives even more credence to the idea that Portland PD is colluding with them, more info here and here. They attacked a man recording some not taped off plates. They tried to run over protesters, a common terrorist tactic, and shot paintball guns at people, who defended themselves by throwing bottles and other stuff they had on themselves.

During the day, two men were interviewed by a journalist. One is Chandler Pappas, a known patriot prayer activist, and the other is Jay Bishop, also known as Aaron Danielson, the one that ended up dead. The journalist tweeted this picture of them heavily armed before the shooting, quoting Chandler as saying “I’m here to stop people from assaulting these people” which to him meant hunting antifascists. There is also audio footage of Chandler talking about how he's ready to start killing leftists from a different incident.

The initial video that came out of this was fuzzy and gave away very little, making it easy for the right to make it out to be trump supporters being hunted by antifa. A second video has since emerged, posted by Ian Miles Cheong, right wing grifter turned influencer (more on him on the bottom), whose apparently too stupid to actually look at what he posts. Here is the transcript (source), feel free to follow along.

0:05 Chandler Pappas: "Hey, we got 'em right here! We got a couple right here. We got a couple right here. Mace 'em. Pull it out."

Jay: "Right here?"

Pappas maces Michael Reinoehl. A split second later, Reinoehl fires two shots, one of which kills Jay.

0:20 Chandler Pappas (same voice as earlier) starts screaming 'Jay', about his friend that was shot. It's clear that Chandler is the same person in the earlier portion that was hunting protesters and was screaming that his friend was shot.

They literally went to hunt antifascists on the streets with pepper spray, and Jay was killed by a man defending himself.

It's important to point out that Jay, the dead wannabe-badass, supported Jeremy Christian's terrorist attack when a Trump supporter killed two people who stood up against him racially harassing two teenage girls by framing it as "three vigilante thugs who assaulted a man for his opinions." He was also arrested for bringing a gun to a protest in 2017, but the charges were dropped because the search was deemed illegal.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:12 PM

8/28, Kenosha shooting by Kyle Rittenhouse

The protests in Kenosha were much more chaotic and it's harder to trace the day-of events because the protests didn't have a motorcade or something similar that are directly linked to the shooting. Instead, the city was rocked by massive protests which saw protesters throughout the city and militias coming in to intimidate them.

The most telling video so far of what Rittenhouse's actions that day were before the shooting is here. This video was taken shortly before the shooting, and Kyle wasn't yet a nationally know figure, so this is simply the interaction between two strangers. The protester recognizes Kyle and accuses him of aiming his gun at them and telling them to get out of their car earlier in the day, which adds credibility that Kyle wasn't some kid out there defending himself but is instead a kid that wanted to larp as a cop.

The first shooting was after an altercation between Rittenhouse and Joseph Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum briefly chased Kyle after a small confrontation between protesters and militia members, and Rosenbaum threw a plastic bag at Kyle, who then shot Rosenbaum. Protesters then tried to chase him because he was at that point a person that just shot and killed somebody and was fleeing the scene, and Kyle shot two others that were trying to take him down.

Much discussion has been had around him having the gun. His lawyer claims the gun belonged to his friend. However as a minor, he did not have the legal right to carry the firearm as he did. Any claims of self defense are very dubious because he broke the law in order to place himself in that position. When somebody goes out of their way to be part of a dangerous situation, such as illegally carrying around a loaded fire arm in a highly charged situation, the claim becomes very weak because they are contributing flame to the fire. This approach is epitomized in the felony liability rule which states that if somebody creates a situation that is likely to result in death (typically but not always by committing a felony) they are liable for any resulting death. Self defense and the felony murder rule doctrine aren't simple and vary between jurisdictions, and I don't claim to fully comprehend the nuances of Kenosha's laws, but it is a fact that Rittenhouse shouldn't have had the gun by his age alone, and his actions created a dangerous environment that directly resulted in 2 deaths.

The following day, a different video was revealed of Rittenhouse intervening in a fight between two girls to sucker punch one of them in the head from behind, starting at the 1:00 mark in the video. This, connected with the video of the protesters accusing him of pointing a gun at them, show Rittenhouse as a violent individual who wanted to become a cop, and for him this meant being violent and believing that he can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants with no repercussions.

So the important takeaways are

A) The right believes you have the right to lethally defend yourself from a plastic bag but not from pepper spray. Just kidding, their beliefs have no consistency.

B) Ian Miles Cheong, who posted the second video of the Portland shooting without even listening to what it actually shows, is either too fucking stupid to analyze what he posts before he posts it, or he thinks his followers are too stupid to figure out when he's lying. Considering he's a grifter that lives in Malaysia and makes a living off fueling the culture war in America (a common tactic of worldwide grifters who see manipulating American conservatives as an easy way to make money, see here or here), it's probably both. You can see a detailed catalog of how he built up his influence on reddit in order to grift off that influence here or here. He is a perfect example of the right wing influencers that spread lies in order to grift off their followers. When his reddit scam ended, he just jumped over to spreading lies on twitter. Yes Cheong, I'm calling you out for being a grifter whose too fucking stupid to see what a video actually shows before spreading it. Prove me wrong or issue a retraction.

Links in article.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AntifascistsofReddit/comments/ijztyy/what_you
_should_know_about_the_82829_shootings/

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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:15 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Trump wins in landslide in 2020.

Thank you Second/Marcos.

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One of the greatest oddities of the 2020 election season is that while it offers many examples of Republicans accusing Democrats of wanting to “defund” the police, Trump is actually defunding the police.

Trump has been very critical of the 1994 crime bill and the 2009 economic recovery act, both of which increased federal support for local police. He’s also submitted four budget proposals to Congress, each of which proposed cuts in police spending. More to the point, right now politicians are debating what to do about the CARES Act.

Democrats and Republicans are arguing about Democrats’ desire to provide state and local government with a massive injection of emergency aid money to plug giant budget holes in police departments. With no aid forthcoming due to GOP opposition, cities are cutting those budgets.

And while the abstract defunding debate plays out among Republican intellectuals, real cities are cutting. Not just liberal enclaves, either. Oklahoma City, one of the most conservative cities in America, is cutting its police budget because it’s cutting spending across the board.

If you believe in the empirical evidence that more cops equals less crime — which Trump seems to pretend to — then this trend would appear to make America less safe. And that’s only more so the case, given that the cutbacks in policing will be paired with cuts to mental health and other social services and occur at a time of high unemployment.

https://oklahoman.com/article/5664755/city-budget-approved-by-council
The police operations budget goes down $5.5 million.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:28 PM

Jeremiah just wanted to find his car and go home, but he was trapped.

A line of police in riot gear had just forced him and hundreds of other protesters out of Kenosha's Civic Center Park and into the street. After that, there was nowhere to go. Soldiers and cops blocked one end of the road. White guys with big guns blocked the other.

It was past 11 p.m. local time Tuesday, the third night of protests after a Kenosha police officer shot Jacob Blake seven times in the back. Jeremiah had received a text from a friend saying a bunch of protesters had their tires slashed. He wanted to get to his car before vandals did. He decided the quickest path was to cut through a parking lot.

As he made his way toward it, Jeremiah saw more armed white men. Two crouched on the roof of a building, sniper style. Two or three others stood guard over the lot. One of them, a babyface with a backward ball cap, raised an assault rifle and pointed it at him.

Jeremiah, 24 and Black, was more annoyed than afraid. He'd been out protesting all summer, more than 90 days so far. He knew about these guys and their scare tactics, and he refused to be intimidated.

When the kid started yelling, Jeremiah shouted back: "I'm trying to get out of here. If you're gonna shoot me, just shoot!"

A few minutes later, Jeremiah saw the same guy pointing his weapon at someone else.

This time, Kyle Rittenhouse fired.

Rittenhouse, 17, has been charged with five felonies and a misdemeanor after shooting three people Tuesday night, two of them fatally. His lead attorney, John M. Pierce of the law firm Pierce Bainbridge, has said he plans to argue self-defense.
https://news.yahoo.com/witnesses-describe-night-kyle-rittenhouse-09003
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Monday, August 31, 2020 4:47 PM

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Monday, August 31, 2020 6:51 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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REAVERBOT thinks the American flag and the ISIS flag ... and the Nazi flag! ... are all the same thing!

Fascists are nationalists, just like ISIS. You lose again, Russian troll.

All fascists are nationalists, therefore all nationalists are fascists.

All dogs have four legs, therefore elephants are dogs.

Logic fail.

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Also, I disagree with your statement that fascists are nationalists. They aren't. The first loyalty of a fascist is to corporations, not the state. They believe that the state should serve corporations. In that sense, many of our current politicians (of both parties) are fascists.

Maybe you're thinking of Nazi (National Socialism)? Even so, your logic fails. All Nazis are nationalists, but not all nationalists are Nazis.

It's even possible to be a nationalist AND a socialist (like AOC) without being a genocidal maniac, much less an actual Nazi.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 7:17 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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All dogs have four legs, therefore elephants are dogs.

Logic fail.

Wisconsin has an unusual law. It was one of the first in the country, passed after a previous killing by the Kenosha police. When people are killed by police in Wisconsin, an outside agency reviews the case, but Jacob Blake was not killed. Is there going to be an outside investigation triggered in a case like this one?

I think it’s really interesting that our law, which was in fact the first in the nation, was passed largely due to the efforts of a man named Michael Bell, whose son was fatally shot in the head by Kenosha police all the way back in 2004. Michael Bell’s son, whose name was also Michael Bell, was shot point-blank in the head in front of his mother and sister in their driveway. Kenosha Police Internal Affairs did their own investigation and within 48 hours cleared those officers of any wrongdoing. So that is when Bell’s father said, This is ridiculous. (A logic fail, Signym.) How can anybody be expected to do a thorough investigation of their own department?

And I think one thing that people need to know about the shooting of Jacob Blake, and people need to know about what’s going on with policing in Kenosha, is that since 2004, the police have not had a great relationship with basically anyone in Kenosha. Michael Bell, who was shot in the head and killed in 2004, was white. And our review of fatal police shootings in Kenosha since then shows that the majority of the people that police have fatally shot are white also. We know of one Black man who’s been fatally shot in Kenosha since 2003. But it seems to me that the police in Kenosha don’t have a great relationship with people of any race.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/kenosha-jacob-blake-protes
ts-shootings-kyle-rittenhouse-what-next.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 31, 2020 7:34 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SignyM:

All dogs have four legs, therefore elephants are dogs.

Logic fail.

Here is another Logic fail, this time it is Trump's fail:

Trump says he won't meet with Jacob Blake's family.

"Well, I spoke to the (family's) pastor ... and I thought it would be better not to do anything where there were lawyers involved. They wanted me to speak. They wanted to have lawyers involved and I thought that was inappropriate, so I didn't do that. But I did speak with the pastor of the family," Trump said. The President said he and the pastor had "a great talk," adding, "I may at some point do that, but they did have a lawyer that wanted to be on the phone and I said no. That's inappropriate, but I did just give my best regards."

www.cnn.com/2020/08/31/politics/donald-trump-jacob-blake-kenosha-visit
/index.html

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Blake family, said it was a routine practice for his clients to have legal counsel with them when they spoke to someone in the government, including Barack Obama during his presidency and former Vice President Joe Biden.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 31, 2020 7:38 PM

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SECONDRATE brings up two examples of what he thinks are logic fails, but neither one is, demonstrating SECONDRATE's logic fail.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 7:46 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
8/29, Portland shooting of Jay Bishop

Earlier in the day, a pro-Trump motorcade of ~600 cars went through the highway on the edge of Portland. A contingent of them decided to drive into the city and confront antifascist protesters. They brought mace, paint ball guns, and other weapons, which shows they preemptively wanted to attack people. They taped off their license plates, a crime, to hide their identities, and yet the police did nothing which gives even more credence to the idea that Portland PD is colluding with them, more info here and here. They attacked a man recording some not taped off plates. They tried to run over protesters, a common terrorist tactic, and shot paintball guns at people, who defended themselves by throwing bottles and other stuff they had on themselves.

During the day, two men were interviewed by a journalist. One is Chandler Pappas, a known patriot prayer activist, and the other is Jay Bishop, also known as Aaron Danielson, the one that ended up dead. The journalist tweeted this picture of them heavily armed before the shooting, quoting Chandler as saying “I’m here to stop people from assaulting these people” which to him meant hunting antifascists.

[Mind reading, imputing a motive

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There is also audio footage of Chandler talking about how he's ready to start killing leftists from a different incident.

The initial video that came out of this was fuzzy and gave away very little, making it easy for the right to make it out to be trump supporters being hunted by antifa. A second video has since emerged, posted by Ian Miles Cheong, right wing grifter turned influencer (more on him on the bottom), whose apparently too stupid to actually look at what he posts. Here is the transcript (source), feel free to follow along.

0:05 Chandler Pappas: "Hey, we got 'em right here! We got a couple right here. We got a couple right here. Mace 'em. Pull it out."

Jay: "Right here?"

Pappas maces Michael Reinoehl. A split second later, Reinoehl fires two shots, one of which kills Jay.

0:20 Chandler Pappas (same voice as earlier) starts screaming 'Jay', about his friend that was shot. It's clear that Chandler is the same person in the earlier portion that was hunting protesters and was screaming that his friend was shot.

They literally went to hunt antifascists on the streets with pepper spray, and Jay was killed by a man defending himself.

It's important to point out that Jay, the dead wannabe-badass, supported Jeremy Christian's terrorist attack when a Trump supporter killed two people who stood up against him racially harassing two teenage girls by framing it as "three vigilante thugs who assaulted a man for his opinions." He was also arrested for bringing a gun to a protest in 2017, but the charges were dropped because the search was deemed illegal.

LINKS PLEASE

You keep posting stuff without ever revealing the source. Is this someone's opinion? A sworn eyewitness statement? Analysis of a video? What?

You have quite a reputation for being wrong to live down. You've been so wrong about so many things before, bringing quotes to the board by people who themselves were 100% wrong, I'd need to know who your source is and how they reached this scenario. also a link to the video.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 11:19 PM

Siggy once again repeats a typical Russian troll logical fallacy.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
LINKS PLEASE

You keep posting stuff without ever revealing the source. Is this someone's opinion? A sworn eyewitness statement? Analysis of a video? What?

You have quite a reputation for being wrong to live down. You've been so wrong about so many things before, bringing quotes to the board by people who themselves were 100% wrong, I'd need to know who your source is and how they reached this scenario. also a link to the video.

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Jesus fuck, you typical Russian troll. It's all linked, as always, you dumb bitch. I suppose that living in Russia, you may not be able to access them, living in a fascist country, as you do.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 11:26 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, thanks for putting them in after-the-fact!

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Monday, August 31, 2020 11:26 PM

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Monday, August 31, 2020 11:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, thanks for putting them in after-the-fact!

You're just another lying Russian troll, bitch. You've never even been in the US.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:06 AM

LOL

The second Civil War would be 5 minutes long.

Bunch of fucking LARPing, soy swilling retards.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 12:51 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

My original question about locals v outsiders was re Portland, but this is interesting information about Kenosha:

More Than Half Of Those Arrested During 7 Days Of Kenosha Unrest Were From Out Of Town, Police Chief Says

Since the demonstrations started 7 days ago, Kenosha police have arrested 175 people. But here's the thing: more than half of them - 102 - listed addresses from outside the city.

https://twitter.com/KenoshaPolice/status/1300260991696097280

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/more-than-half-of-people-arreste
d-at-kenosha-protests-were-from-out-of-town-police/2331742/

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/more-half-those-arrested-kenosha-u
nrest-are-out-town-police-say

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:30 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, thanks for putting them in after-the-fact!

You're just another lying Russian troll, bitch. You've never even been in the US.

Dood, I hit "reply with quote" when I asked for a link, and there was NO LINKY in there.

Sorry for catching you in yet another lie! Maybe if you stopped lying so much you wouldn't look like such a doofus!

Oh, and BTW ... if you think you want to rewrite history, just be aware that I'm NOT the only one who saw your original post and noticed the missing linky!

So I advise you to stop digging the hole that you're in deeper than it already is!

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:46 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, too bad but your linky no worky for me.

However, I DID find a video on Youtube which shows the moment of killing. It appears that Jay Bishop was walking away from some men, and there appears to have been no altercation or commotion immediately beforehand.

So I will continue to gather evidence.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:48 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Same video of the shooting in which Jay Bishop appears to be walking by/away from the shooter, but with audio.

I advanced the first minute frame-by-frame many times. Jay Bishop and the shooter never appeared to face each other or even get within 8 ft. Jay Bishop was walking down the street, away from the videographer, and the shooter was walking diagonally behind Jay from left to right, across the path where Jay had just walked, and appeared to have shot without provocation.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 4:09 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Interview of Jay's friend, who was with him when he was killed. HE said that he didn't even realize a gun was pointed at them until it was fired, and the shooter ran away.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 4:09 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The dratted double!

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Interview of Jay's friend, who was with him when he was killed. HE said that he didn't even realize a gun was pointed at them until it was fired, and the shooter ran away.

Yeah, that poor, innocent little victim. If only they hadn't rolled into the city and attacked peaceful protesters, his fellow Nazi might be alive today.

Chandler Pappas, on parole and far away from his home in Astoria, attended a Gresham hate rally yesterday. Chandler has been caught on audio saying he wants to kill protesters and the @DAMikeSchmidt
.

See the video below by
@F12Anon
with the leaked audio.

https://twitter.com/defendpdx/status/1299177450576855040

"I'm ready to start killing these motherfuckers..."

What a little angel.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:40 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
SECONDRATE brings up two examples of what he thinks are logic fails, but neither one is, demonstrating SECONDRATE's logic fail.

Here is another logic failure: Trump starts comparing police shootings to golfers missing putts, but Laura Ingraham cuts him off because she realizes how bad it sounds.

Trump defends police violence saying that they do a lot of great things, but when they murder someone in the streets, everyone goes berserk. In the Trump bubble, mistakes happen. It’s just like, you know, a golfer under pressure on the 18th green, officers “choke” and shoot unarmed Black people. “They choke just like in a golf tournament. They miss a three-foot…” Trump said before he was rescued by Ingraham before getting to the word “putt.”

Trump tells many strange and false stories and has on-the-air failures of logic at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/trump-laura-ingraham-fox-n
ews-interview-golf-biden.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
SECONDRATE brings up two examples of what he thinks are logic fails, but neither one is, demonstrating SECONDRATE's logic fail.
Here is another logic failure: Trump starts comparing police shootings to golfers missing putts, but Laura Ingraham cuts him off because she realizes how bad it sounds.

Trump defends police violence saying that they do a lot of great things, but when they murder someone in the streets, everyone goes berserk. In the Trump bubble, mistakes happen. It’s just like, you know, a golfer under pressure on the 18th green, officers “choke” and shoot unarmed Black people. “They choke just like in a golf tournament. They miss a three-foot…” Trump said before he was rescued by Ingraham before getting to the word “putt.”

Trump tells many strange and false stories and has on-the-air failures of logic at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/09/trump-laura-ingraham-fox-n
ews-interview-golf-biden.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Saw that. Trump will now go to Kenosha and encourage the fascist violence the right has been pining for for the last 50 years.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:46 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Saw that. Trump will now go to Kenosha and encourage the fascist violence the right has been pining for for the last 50 years.

Trump has inched ever closer to a campaign solely and explicitly appealing to white voters on racial grounds. This interview is just the latest in the long line of Trump saying what he really thinks. And he has 63 days to get even more explicitly racist. Maybe Trump is a very stable genius and that is a winning strategy.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:49 AM

Shot by a man, killed by the cops.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 10:06 AM

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 10:28 AM

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 10:45 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Quote:
SIGNYM:
Interview of Jay's friend, who was with him when he was killed. HE said that he didn't even realize a gun was pointed at them until it was fired, and the shooter ran away.

REAVERBOT Yeah, that poor, innocent little victim. If only they hadn't rolled into the city and attacked peaceful protesters, his fellow Nazi might be alive today.

EVIDENCE?

DO YOU HAVE ANY?

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 10:46 AM

4 more years of Trump.

Thanks Marcos/Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 11:10 AM