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Breoanna Taylor Details Discussion
Sunday, September 27, 2020 8:48 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, September 27, 2020 8:59 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: He shot the cop through a closed door. Why are you making up shit? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, September 27, 2020 10:13 PM
Sunday, September 27, 2020 11:41 PM
Quote:They
Quote:were in the hallway, and he shot a cop through the door.
Monday, September 28, 2020 2:52 AM
Monday, September 28, 2020 6:48 AM
JAYNEZTOWN
Quote:Originally posted by WISHIMAY: I have ZERO doubts they executed her.
Monday, September 28, 2020 8:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX, what are you saying? That Walker and Taylor were in the hallway (supposedly the hallway outside her apartment) AND at the same time INSIDE the apartment, allowing Walker to shoot "through the door"? Or am I completely misunderstanding what you're posting? Because so far it sounds like a mixed up contradictory mess.
Monday, September 28, 2020 3:00 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Monday, September 28, 2020 3:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'm not a fan of no knock warrants. I'm no fan of warrants in general. In fact, I think the only thing a warrant should allow is for police to come inside to detain you ONLY if you refuse to go willingly when an arrest warrant is presented, and ONLY specifically for the purpose of getting you out of the dwelling and into custody. But I also realize that's easier for me to say since I'm not a criminal and I've generally lived in areas with average to below average crime rates. That being said, if anybody is really looking for an argument that is PRO no-knock warrant, I would say it's right here in front of you. Had the police not knocked and giving warning ahead of time, Brianna and her boyfriend would not have been standing in the hallway, and her boyfriend would not have shot at cops outside their door. And really... what happened there? 20 shots were fired back, Brianna takes 6 of them and shitstain doesn't even get scratched? Did he use her as a human shield? Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Officers qualify—shoot for a recorded score—usually no more than twice a year, and for most, only once. Qualifications normally consist of shooting only standard, stationary silhouette targets at known, never-changing, ranges. Usually, 25 yards is the outer limit. No more than 50 rounds are normally fired, and passing scores are generous, as low as 70%–hitting the target with only 35 out of 50 rounds. Virtually all allow reshooting as many times as necessary to pass. Hiring and training new officers because the old can’t shoot is prohibitively expensive. In 1990, NYPD officer hit potential was only 19%. Eighty-one percent of the rounds they fired at criminals missed. At less than three yards, they hit only 38% of the time. From 3-7 yards, 11.5% and from 7-15 yards, only 9.4%. My personal experience validates the NYPD statistics, but statistics from the Metro-Dade Police Department from 1988-1994 published in a Police Policy Studies Council report indicate officers fired app. 1300 rounds at suspects, missing more than 1,100 times. They hit only about 15.4% of their shots, most of these from near-touching distance. During that period, using revolvers, they missed 65% of the time, but oddly, 75% of the time with semiautomatic handguns. More data from the same report for the NYPD during 1994-2000, when the NYPD was far more semiautomatic heavy, are interesting, and sobering. At 0-2 yards, the hit rate was 69%, but from 3-7 yards, only 19%. With increasing distance the hit rate dramatically declined, with only 2% from 16-25 yards and 1% at 25 yards and greater. 4) The greater the distance, the lower the police hit probability. The lower the ambient lighting, the lower the hit probability. 5) Most police officers are much more likely to miss than hit their targets. 6) The idea that officers can shoot well enough to incapacitate criminals by shooting to wound is Hollywood nonsense. In most cases, they can barely hit their targets at ridiculously close ranges. 7) The more officers involved in a shooting the more likely a greater number of rounds will be fired and the higher the probability of misses. The Dorner case, where eight LAPD officers–including a supervisor–unleashed 103 rounds at two innocent women delivering newspapers, is a case in point. They only wounded both women, but bravely shot seven nearby homes and nine parked, and thankfully unoccupied, cars.
Monday, September 28, 2020 4:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: I've been hearing weird info about the incident of her death. I am returning to edit this OP on 28 Sept. The portions I am highlighting are erroneous or in dispute as correct. What seems to be universally understood: Police executed a Search Warrant, at around 3am,
Quote: at the wrong address.
Quote: The first shot fired was from Breoanna's boyfriend, who shot and injured at least one cop. Cops returned fire, including some wayward shots into adjoining apartments. Breoanna was shot in this return fire, and died from these wounds. The release of the Grand Jury report reveals that, whether or not it was a No-Knock Warrant, it was not served as a No-Knock Warrant. Meaning the cops knocked first.
Quote: What I had thought I'd heard, but not sure the source: Whether knock and announced or not, cops had broken through the door to the apartment. And the boyfriend shot at the cops who were within the apartment. But now I have heard that the cops knocked, announced, did not break into the apartment, and waited in the hallway for somebody to answer the door. Then without exchanging words with the cops, the boyfriend started shooting at the cops through the door, while the cops were in the hallway. Then cops returned fire, presumably also through the door, while still in the hallway.
Quote: This new version of events sounds really fishy. Not that we will ever know for sure, with BLM and Antifags dreaming up and spouting fictional narratives for the past few months, but it would be nice to have a clearer picture of the facts. To be clear, I do find this event to be horrific. I consider the persons at fault to be the clowns who got the address wrong, and who also did not know who was inside the residence that they were serving the warrant on. These are unlikely the cops who actual performed the entry. These responsible parties should be fired for certain, and also jailed. Perhaps for negligent homicide or dereliction of duty, but certainly it must be made clear that these minor technicalities are not to be sneezed at if you want to remain out of prison. This also includes the "supervisors" who kludged together these unsychronized units from the point of error to those who executed the warrant. I don't care if they were cops, prosecutors, clerks making typos, whatever. Detective Joshua Jaynes sought the Warrant, and apparently was not present to serve it. Sgt. Mattingly was shot by the boyfriend, Kenneth Walker. Detective Cosgrove fired the specific round which was declared to have "killed" Breonna, although I heard she was shot 8 times in the crossfire. Detective Hankinson was not injured by gunfire, and apparently did not hit Breonna or Walker, or anybody else, with his gunfire. He has been fired. I am not finding any transcript of the Grand Jury Report. Transcript of the Press Briefing: https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/23/breonna-taylor-decision-kentucky-ag-daniel-cameron/3507419001/
Monday, September 28, 2020 4:39 PM
Monday, September 28, 2020 6:00 PM
REAVERFAN
Monday, September 28, 2020 7:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: He shot the cop through a closed door. Why are you making up shit? Do Right, Be Right. :)Wrong, yet again. Ballistics don't support AG Cameron's claim Breonna Taylor's boyfriend shot officer https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/breonna-taylor/2020/09/27/ballistics-report-dont-support-daniel-cameron-claim-breonna-taylor-boyfriend-shot-louisville-cop/3552007001/
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Mattingly shot by 9mm round. Only 9mm weapon on site was Walker, and possibly Hankerson from an unavailable angle. All Cop rounds were .40 Caliber.
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:59 AM
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 2:09 AM
Quote:Originally posted by reaverfan: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Mattingly shot by 9mm round. Only 9mm weapon on site was Walker, and possibly Hankerson from an unavailable angle. All Cop rounds were .40 Caliber. Read for comprehension. But appearing later that night on CNN, Steve Romines, one of Walker’s attorneys, said he had obtained a LMPD record showing Hankison had been issued a 9-mm weapon as well.
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 2:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Black Bonnie would still be alive if she wasn't fucking Black Clyde. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 5:27 PM
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:03 PM
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 7:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Black Bonnie would still be alive if she wasn't fucking Black Clyde. Do Right, Be Right. :) as far as I can tell, Walker is completely not involved, or even potentially involved, in any of the alleged drug-money handling going on. (No drugs or money was found on the scene.) Seems like he was just trying to protect his g/f. He called 911, after all, assuming that criminals were breaking in. ***** IF the warrant had not been executed at 1 AM but at a more reasonable time ... say, 1 PM ... chances are the residents would have already been awake. Not jolted awake by someone pounding on the door shouting incomprehensible things. But no knock and quick knock warrants are almost always served at night ... why? ... causing a compounding of potential errors. So imagine this: The warrant is served at 1PM. The police knock on the door. Taylor and/or Walker answer the door, the police present the warrant. The residents ask to see badges, and then let the cops in. (Remember, no drugs or money was found on the scene, so there would be no reason to keep the cops out.) Alternatively, the residents refuse to open the door, and - after some negotiation- the police bust it down. But there is no confusion as to who is on the other side of the door. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #WEARAMASK
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 8:46 PM
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 8:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Not a single one of these shitstains that BLM has been burning shit down for are worth the paper their death certificates were printed on. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:00 PM
Quote:SIX: Black Bonnie would still be alive if she wasn't fucking Black Clyde. SIGNY: as far as I can tell, Walker is completely not involved, or even potentially involved, in any of the alleged drug-money handling going on. (No drugs or money was found on the scene.) Seems like he was just trying to protect his g/f. He called 911, after all, assuming that criminals were breaking in. ***** IF the warrant had not been executed at 1 AM but at a more reasonable time ... say, 1 PM ... chances are the residents would have already been awake. Not jolted awake by someone pounding on the door shouting incomprehensible things. But no knock and quick knock warrants are almost always served at night ... why? ... causing a compounding of potential errors. So imagine this: The warrant is served at 1PM. The police knock on the door. Taylor and/or Walker answer the door, the police present the warrant. The residents ask to see badges, and then let the cops in. (Remember, no drugs or money was found on the scene, so there would be no reason to keep the cops out.) Alternatively, the residents refuse to open the door, and - after some negotiation- the police bust it down. But there is no confusion as to who is on the other side of the door. SIX: They intentionally do them when they will most likely catch the people unawares.
Quote:SIX: If there is a heads up, that allows time for destruction of evidence
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:34 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, September 29, 2020 10:36 PM
Wednesday, September 30, 2020 6:33 AM
Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:18 PM
Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I agree, KIKI. For a thread about "Breoanna Taylor Details" it's awfully short of .... details. SIX, for example, claims that Walker shot thru the door. If so, the door should have a bullet-hole in it. He then goes on to assume that the police shot back through the door. If THAT were the case, then the door should be riddled with bullet holes. But that would violate police policy, which is not to shoot unless there is a clear line of sight. Forme, the critical missing detail is .... how much time elapsed between when the police announced themselves and when they broke the door down. Since Walker called 911, it's clear that he thought it was a criminal breaking down the door. What can you hear in the background? Was 911 able to advise him that it was the police at the door? Howit is that Taylor was hit, and not Walker? So many unanswered questions. The data is for sure available, but not to the public.
Wednesday, September 30, 2020 5:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: I just want to point out how much contradictory nonsense has been posted here, based - AS USUAL - on nothing.
Quote: I looked for a copy of the search warrant. Whose name was on it? What did it claim? Supposedly it was released and 'news' 'sources' have written all sorts of stories with WHAT THEY CLAIM it was about - though the stories don't match each other. Was Taylor on it, or not? Was Walker on it, or not? Was it a 'place' warrant? Did those 'news' 'sources' link the original? NOPE. Did the cops knock and announce themselves? Did Walker reply? If there's bodycam recordings of that time period they haven't been released either. But the lack of actual knowledge certainly hasn't kept people from arguing all sorts of mutating ignorance. Did Walker shoot? Did Taylor shoot? Gunshot residue testing would answer the question! Was that test even done? What was the physical layout? If it wasn't for me stumbling across a several second clip from VICE tv after the shooting I'd have no idea! Having read ALL the arguments here, I can tell you - YOU WERE ALL WRONG! But that didn't keep you from endlessly posting your ignorance. second clip https://www.tmz.com/2020/09/26/breonna-taylor-crime-scene-aftermath-body-cam-footage-released/ Jeeze, just get a grip, already. Don't start with your opinions to be followed by a quest for matching evidence.
Wednesday, September 30, 2020 5:54 PM
Thursday, October 1, 2020 10:51 AM
Thursday, October 1, 2020 3:44 PM
Monday, October 5, 2020 3:59 PM
Tuesday, October 6, 2020 2:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: On Friday, testimony of the Grand Jury was released. Audio, not Transcripts. https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-officer-in-grand-jury-testimony-breonna-taylors-boyfriend-initially-said-taylor-shot-at-officers https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/breonna-taylor-grand-jury-testimony-release
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