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Monday, November 2, 2020 1:03 AM

WISHIMAY


*What DOES modern Socialism mean to you?*



All I hear is Socialist paranoia from the right, but I never hear what specific things they think are ACTUALLY possibly going to happen and why it would be the worst ideas ever?

ONE TOPIC PER POST WITH ANY *ACTUAL EVIDENCE* it would be a possibility.


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Monday, November 2, 2020 3:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


This has been addresed in many threads on this forum already.

Some people have referenced "cultural Marxism".

Others have pointed to centralized (globalized) non-democratic government control of everything.

Neither one sounds like a good endpoint.

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Monday, November 2, 2020 9:38 AM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has been addresed in many threads on this forum already.

Some people have referenced "cultural Marxism".

Others have pointed to centralized (globalized) non-democratic government control of everything.

Neither one sounds like a good endpoint.

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Now, for the class, tell us what "cultural Marxism" is.



Is it this? ^



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Monday, November 2, 2020 10:20 AM

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Monday, November 2, 2020 11:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:







AOC - "Also the idea that Socialists like Dems... lol".

First honest thing AOC has said.

I'll refer you to the post I made the other day about how a Biden win is going to be great when
the Democrats realize they're 3 parties in one and they hate each other.

That's going to happen eventually one day no matter what, but with 4 more years of Trump
they won't figure out that lesson until at least 2024.





That being said, Nilbog's entire thread premise is a misnomer.

True Liberals don't push Socialist agendas. Socialists and Communists push Socialist agendas. The
former pushing exactly what they want, while the latter pushes what they think they can get
away with now in America.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, November 2, 2020 1:59 PM

REAVERFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

AOC - "Also the idea that Socialists like Dems... lol".

First honest thing AOC has said.

I'll refer you to the post I made the other day about how a Biden win is going to be great when
the Democrats realize they're 3 parties in one and they hate each other.

That's going to happen eventually one day no matter what, but with 4 more years of Trump
they won't figure out that lesson until at least 2024.





That being said, Nilbog's entire thread premise is a misnomer.

True Liberals don't push Socialist agendas. Socialists and Communists push Socialist agendas. The
former pushing exactly what they want, while the latter pushes what they think they can get
away with now in America.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The know-nothing again demonstrates that he knows nothing. Good job with that smooth brain, bruh.



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Monday, November 2, 2020 2:01 PM

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Monday, November 2, 2020 2:32 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has been addresed in many threads on this forum already.

Some people have referenced "cultural Marxism".

Others have pointed to centralized (globalized) non-democratic government control of everything.

Neither one sounds like a good endpoint.




SIG, ever the student of Trump

"This has been addressed elsewhere" = misdirection = "I have no clue."

Classic Trumpisms: "Some people..." & "Others have..." Who are these people?

EX: "Most people say SIGNYM is a liar and a fraud."

"Neither one sounds like a good endpoint." = "I have no clue."

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Monday, November 2, 2020 2:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


AOC - "Also the idea that Socialists like Dems... lol".

First honest thing AOC has said.

I'll refer you to the post I made the other day about how a Biden win is going to be great when
the Democrats realize they're 3 parties in one and they hate each other.

That's going to happen eventually one day no matter what, but with 4 more years of Trump
they won't figure out that lesson until at least 2024.





That being said, Nilbog's entire thread premise is a misnomer.

True Liberals don't push Socialist agendas. Socialists and Communists push Socialist agendas. The former pushing exactly what they want, while the latter pushes what they think they can get away with now in America.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I agree that it's a misnomer.

What the DNC is pushing for is FASCISM ... government in service to corporations. While some say that Trump is pushing the same idea, they (Trump, DNC) differ on WHICH corporations they back... The DNC is wedded to the biggest transnationals (banks, big tech, big pharma... also NATO and the international spook agencies thru which they mold foreign governments and policies) and eager to place regulation of these transnational actors into secret foreign trade tribunals... hence, Bill and Obama's urge to ratify all of those "free trade" agreements (WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, TTP, TTIP). Also Bill's eagerness to reduce regulations on banking, monopolies (including media monopolies), and his support of "intellectual property" (DMCA) and Obama showering money on the banks, protecting bankers from prosecution, being joined at the hip with the NSA (with all its illegal surveillance) and the CIA and all of his "secret wars", and the ACA being a big wet smooch to big pharma.

Trump, OTOH, is closer to the military industrial complex, seeks to reduce our entanglement with China and NATO, wants to promote what HE thinks is "American business", and keep our sovereign powers safe by keeping economic and military decision-making at home.

I kinda cringe when I hear libertarians call every DNC idea "socialist" or "communist" or "Marxist" ... clearly, they don't know what any of those are. More accurate descriptions would be "Trotskyist" or "fascist"

Anyway, WISHY, to be specific, what I expect under a DNC reign is

More "free trade" agreements

Re-entanglemnt with NATO

More "secret" foreign destabilizations conducted by the State Dept, the CIA, and cooperating NGOs, with "allied" military involvement where necessary

An attempt to change the entire election process (Electoral College, adding DC as a 51st state, reducing ID requirements at the polls etc) to ensure a permanent DNC dominnce (altho this may be blunted by the Supreme Court)

Some money "giveaway" program* where (just like the CARES Act) 80% will go to the biggest businesses, and continued reliance on "The Fed" to loan money to a broke government.
*It could be "reparations", limited UBI, ACA "reform", Covid-relief, or some combination. But follow the money, it won't go to "the people" but to banks and monopolies

There will be nothing in there about meaningful jobs at living wages, defending our Constitutional rights, defending American sovereign rights, or anything like that.


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Monday, November 2, 2020 3:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This has been addresed in many threads on this forum already.

Some people have referenced "cultural Marxism".

Others have pointed to centralized (globalized) non-democratic government control of everything.

Neither one sounds like a good endpoint.




SIG, ever the student of Trump

"This has been addressed elsewhere" = misdirection = "I have no clue."

GSTRING, there was a fairly lengthy discussion of "cultural marxism" ... I believe you may have even participated. And, of course, I have discussed globalization ad nauseum. I'm sorry for you if your memory is worse than Joe Biden's, but I'm sure everyone else remembers the discussions.

Quote:

Classic Trumpisms: "Some people..." & "Others have..." Who are these people?
SIX and I had a long discussion about cultural Marxism, and I persoanlly have posted multiple times about globalism... free trade agreements and their trade tribunals etc. Like I said, too bad for you that your memory islike Swiss cheese, but others remember those discussions even if you don't.

Quote:

"Neither one sounds like a good endpoint." = "I have no clue."

I am posting, as WISHY requested, EXACTLY and in detail what I expect from a DNC win.

Unlike you, I DO have a clue.


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Monday, November 2, 2020 3:08 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I agree that it's a misnomer.

What the DNC is pushing for is FASCISM ... government in service to corporations. While some say that Trump is pushing the same idea, they (Trump, DNC) differ on WHICH corporations they back... The DNC is wedded to the biggest transnationals (banks, big tech, big pharma... also NATO and the international spook agencies thru which they mold foreign governments and policies) and eager to place regulation of these transnational actors into secret foreign trade tribunals... hence, Bill and Obama's urge to ratify all of those "free trade" agreements (WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, TTP, TTIP). Also Bill's eagerness to reduce regulations on banking, monopolies (including media monopolies), and his support of "intellectual property" (DMCA) and Obama showering money on the banks, protecting bankers from prosecution, being joined at the hip with the NSA (with all its illegal surveillance) and the CIA and all of his "secret wars", and the ACA being a big wet smooch to big pharma.

Trump, OTOH, is closer to the military industrial complex, seeks to reduce our entanglement with China and NATO, wants to promote what HE thinks is "American business", and keep our sovereign powers safe.

I kinda cringe when I hear libertarians call every DNC idea "socialist" or "communist" or "Marxist" ... clearly, they don't know what any of those are. More accurate descriptions would be "Trotskyist" or "fascist"

Anyway, WISHY, to be specific, what I expect under a DNC reign is

More "free trade" agreements

Re-entanglemnt with NATO

More "secret" foreign destabilizations conducted by the State Dept, the CIA, and cooperating NGOs, with "allied" military involvement where necessary

An attempt to change the entire election process (Electoral College, adding DC as a 51st state, reducing ID requirements at the polls etc) to ensure a permanent DNC dominnce (altho this may be blunted by the Supreme Court)
Some money "giveaway" program* where (just like the CARES Act) 80% will go to the biggest businesses, and continued reliance on "The Fed" to loan money to a broke government.

*It could be "reparations", limited UBI, ACA "reform", Covid-relief, or some combination. But follow the money, it won't go to "the people" but to banks and monopolies

There will be nothing in there about meaningful jobs at living wages, defending our Constitutional rights, or anything like that.

Signym described what it thinks fascism is, but Signym knows nothing: www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
Fascist parties and movements have many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. That definition is NOTHING similar to Democrats.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 2, 2020 3:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:






I think it's sweet that REAVERBOT imagines that AOC will be driving DNC policy.

REAVERBOT, son ... the Democrats have always had their politicians of conscience ...

JFK
Paul Wellstone
Marcy Kaptur
Paul Kucinich
Russ Feingold
Tulsi Gabbard
even Bernie Sanders, who caucused with the DNC

Do you know what their effect on policy has been??

ZIP. ZERO. ZILCH. NADA

The DNC sold its soul many decades ago. AOC and "the squad" will get nowhere. But they WILL make the DNC look better than it really is!

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Monday, November 2, 2020 4:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



"What Socialist agendas DO conservatives think are intended by liberals?"

Whatever it is they fear the most. Masks. Taxes. Government unemployment aid. A Sanctuary Country. Reparations. Having their guns taken away. More job loss thanks to free trade agreements. Open borders. Healthcare. CO2 caps. But I'd be really, really surprised if we got a reasonable healthcare system or real action on climate change from a demolican federal government, even if it was completely controlled by that party. And I fully expect identity politics, the nuclear-chicken-game, destabilization of foreign governments, and the demonization of Russia to go on unabated. And the surveillance state against the citizens, propagandizing by the m$m, and free trade agreements to blossom. So some fears imo are quite reasonable, others, not so much.


I myself find the flavors of demolicans and repubmocrats different, but similar enough that NEITHER have our best interests at heart.

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Monday, November 2, 2020 6:10 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

"What Socialist agendas DO conservatives think are intended by liberals?"

Whatever it is they fear the most. Masks. Taxes. Government unemployment aid. A Sanctuary Country. Reparations. Having their guns taken away. More job loss thanks to free trade agreements. Open borders. Healthcare. CO2 caps. But I'd be really, really surprised if we got a reasonable healthcare system or real action on climate change from a demolican federal government, even if it was completely controlled by that party. And I fully expect identity politics, the nuclear-chicken-game, destabilization of foreign governments, and the demonization of Russia to go on unabated. And the surveillance state against the citizens, propagandizing by the m$m, and free trade agreements to blossom. So some fears imo are quite reasonable, others, not so much.


I myself find the flavors of demolicans and repubmocrats different, but similar enough that NEITHER have our best interests at heart.

Signym showed it understands nothing about what Fascism is, not even being aware that Fascism opposes the Democrats www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Common-characteristics-of-fascist-mov
ements


1kiki doesn't understand that Democrats can't undo what the Republicans have done until the Democrats have 67 Senators and a majority of Supreme Court Justices. 50 or 51 Dem Senators and 3 Dem Supreme Court justices won't be enough to stop the GOP. And the Dems can't turn the government around in 2 years, but in the 2022 election, Dems will start losing Senators because American voters always decide things aren't improving fast enough for their tastes so it is, once again, time to vote for the Republican.

The really silly part about Americans is that Trump will be campaigning in 2022, telling voters they never had it better than when he was President, and about 55% of voters will believe him.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 2, 2020 6:54 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


I am posting, as WISHY requested, EXACTLY and in detail what I expect from a DNC win.




Actually I asked for ONE point per post with any ACTUAL EVIDENCE, not just a listing of your paranoias and agendas. I was actually giving you a fair chance on this one and all you've managed to do once again is prove you only wanna say.... THEM IS WRONG!! without the slightest bit of reasoning.

You have failed again.


Didn't actually expect any better from you anyway.


https://refusefascism.org/

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Monday, November 2, 2020 8:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jeezus, SECOND, you DO like to conflate things to muddy the waters, don't you?

Fascism doesn't oppose "the Democrats", it opposes democracy. The DNC and "democracy" are NOT the same. In fact, with the spook state colluding with foreign agents under Democrat leadership, and the media spewing disinformation 24/7 and censoring opposing opinions in order to depose a democratically-elected President, I would go so far as to say that Democrats oppose democracy. I know YOU do!


For me, this is the main thing about Trump:

IF the people of Bangor, Maine vote to ban GMOs, and
The people of Wayne County want to ban high-capacity small arms, and
The people of California want to prohibit high-carbon fuels like tar sands, and
The people of the United States refuse to import goods made with child labor

BUT

The prohibitions are prohibited by a "free trade" agreement, and a trade tribunal in Singapore or Brussels decides that these prohibitions are ILLEGAL under the free trade agreement, and, furthermore, the "harmed" corporations are able to sue Bangor, Wayne County, California, and the USA in trade tribunal ... AND WIN ... WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A DEMOCRACY?

If the people of the USA vote in an anti-war President but NATO decides it needs a war, WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A DEMOCRACY?

If all of your local, state, and sovereign decisions can be overturned by technocracy abroad ... WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING A DEMOCRACY?

That, for me, is the one deciding factor in Trump's favor: Where are all of these decisions ajudicated? In USA courts, or secret tribunals abroad?

No matter what harm Trump may do to the USA- short of nuclear war- a President who cedes the USA's sovereignty does far GREATER harm than Trump can ever do. Because as long as we are able to make those decisions ourselves, we can undo former decisions. But if that decision-making authority is ceded, it would take a Brexit-like movement to undo that. That scenario would be pretty godawful.



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Monday, November 2, 2020 8:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:

www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Common-characteristics-of-fascist-mov
ements



Fascism: definition

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
fasc•ism fash'iz??m?
n.
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/fascism



Fascism | Definition of Fascism by Merriam-Webster

Fascism definition is - a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism



Fascism (/'fæ??z?m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism



Fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and was characterized by extreme militant nationalism, hatred of communism and socialism, contempt for democracy, and belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:07 AM

WISHIMAY


It's AMAZING how in all those definitions they post they still don't get that Fascism is entirely about


1. domination (of mindset)

2. suppression (of biological norms)

3. territory (abnormal rationalizations for taking all of it)



IT IS ALWAYS SLAVERY. You cannot manipulate the natural order to such a degree and expect any level of normalcy or decency.

Supporting fascism is supporting depravity.





https://refusefascism.org/

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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:09 AM

WISHIMAY





I WILL HEARTILY DEFEND HUMAN RIGHTS UNTIL YOU CAN SEE YOUR WRONGS
............................. https://refusefascism.org/..................................

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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


^ Virtue signalling.

Gross.

Nobody cares, Nilbog.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 2:55 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

[You cannot manipulate the natural order to such a degree and expect any level of normalcy or decency.
Human nature is pretty malleable. Think about the Spartans and their methods of male child-raising - at 5 they turned 'em loose to live with packs of older boys who roamed the wild hills surviving on their own, or the Aztecs and their willing sacrifice of thousands of their own people every year for the greater good, or the Papau New Guineans where boys are trained to be sex servants to the men, and all males live separately from all females except for procreation. Those cultures lasted many hundreds up to thousands of years, so they must have approximated human nature well enough.

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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 7:05 AM

REAVERFAN


Yet again, the Russian trolls are unable to answer the simplest of questions. They don't know what socialism OR fascism are, even with the dictionary.

All they can do is deflect, and prove to us that they are, in fact, RUSSIAN TROLLS.





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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:23 AM

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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:26 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
Yet again, the Russian trolls are unable to answer the simplest of questions. They don't know what socialism OR fascism are, even with the dictionary.

All they can do is deflect, and prove to us that they are, in fact, RUSSIAN TROLLS.



In its simplest terms, socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the state. You can look that up anywhere.

In my lifetime, the meanings of "socialism" and "communism" have been morphed by establishment anti-communist narrative to "trigger" people more often, so nations which were originally thought of as "welfare states" which tightly control the distribution of income (eg Sweden) became known as "socialist" while nations which were, in fact, socialist became known as "communist" (USSR, China). But it is widely acknowledged by political economists that "communism" NEVER EXISTED. Communism, as originally defined, is where "the state has withered away". And since you can't have a nation-less region in a world of nations (because it will be taken over by other nations) communism, by definition, must be GLOBAL. Therefore, communism remains a theoretical construct (no matter what China calls itself)


Also, "socialism" refers to ECONOMIC policies, NOT POLITICS. You can have democratic socialism ... and indeed, many parties in Europe call themselves that ... or you an have authoritarian socialism. While socialist states own and control the means of production, it says nothing about who controls the state.


Also in my lifetime, "fascism" and "Nazism" have also morphed to mean anything we don't like, from mild racism to nationalsim to genocide.

Why don't we let the original users of those words tell us what they mean?

MORE TO COME, I just don't want this to get lost in the ether, like my previous post



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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:37 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


To continue

Moussolini and the "Doctrine of Fascism"

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

So, reading thru all the blah, blah, blah we come to these nuggets

Quote:

Therefore, for the Fascist, everything is in the State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has value, outside the State. In this sense Fascism is totalitarian ...

Outside the State there can be neither individuals nor groups (political parties, associations, syndicates, classes). Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism which confines the movement of history within the class struggle and ignores the unity of classes established in one economic and moral reality in the State; and analogously it is opposed to class syndicalism

Fascism attacks the whole complex of democratic ideologies and rejects them both... fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, can rule human societies... it affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men.

For Fascism the tendency to Empire, that is to say, to the expansion of nations, is a manifestation of vitality; its opposite, staying at home, is a sign of decadence: peoples who rise or re-rise are imperialist, people who die are renunciatory.

The role of corporations in Moussolini's fascist state doesn't become law until Nov 13, 1933

Quote:

Resolution on the Definition and Attribution of Corporations
November 13, 1933

“The National Council of Corporations:

define Corporations as the instrument which, under the aegis of the State, carries out the complete organic and unitarian regulation of production with a view to the expansion of the wealth, political power, and well-being of the Italian people;
declare that the number of Corporations to be formed for the main branches of production should, on principle, be adequate to meet the real needs of national economy;
establish that the general staff of each Corporation shall include representatives of State administration, of the Fascist Party, of capital, of labour, and of experts;
assign to the Corporations as their specific tasks: conciliation, consultations (compulsory on problems of major importance), and the promulgation, through the National Council of Corporations, of laws regulating the economic activities of the country;

MORE AT
https://arplan.org/2020/02/21/mussolini-corporate-state/

Quote:

In 1925-26, after a lengthy crisis with the parliament following the killing of the Socialist leader Giacomo Matteotti, he imposed a Totalarian Dictatorship. His Corperative State came to terms with Italian Capitalism but abolished the free trade unions.

https://schoolworkhelper.net/benito-mussolini-biography-leadership/amp/


So, what does "Fascism" mean? It is an aggressively expansionist state which is in total control of everything, of people willing to sacrifice everything (including their lives) for "the state", and led by a small elite who (in practice) turned out to be the corporate elite.




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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


One more thing... I ran across this nugget while researching the origianl meaning of fascism.

Quote:

In 1922, Fascists were instructed to wear uniforms, including black shirts, when in squads that were modeled after Roman army groups. All party members were considered squad members.

Soon after, several Italian cities were seized by Fascist squads, who also burned down Communist and Socialist offices.

In October 1922, Mussolini threatened to march on Rome to take control of the government through violent force if it was not handed over. The government was slow to act, eventually dispatching troops, though Fascists had already seized control of some local governments.

Mussolini’s first act as prime minister was to demand special emergency powers allowing him to rig elections in the Fascists’ favor. Soon after, the Italian parliament made suspicion of being anti-Fascist punishable by imprisonment without trial.

The next year police rounded-up Socialists, and the government restricted their publishing activities....

The same year, all Communist members of Parliament were arrested, and all Socialist members expelled. Anyone who could not be prosecuted for a crime was detained for up to five years and placed in island internment camps.

Cinemas were required to screen government propaganda in the form of newsreels. Fascists owned 66 percent of the newspapers and controlled reporting, issuing daily editorial guidelines and threatening editors with arrest.

The Order of Journalists was created and membership was mandatory. Newspapers were allowed to criticize the government as long as they generally expressed support.



It seems to me that, with a few modifications to accommodate the rise of the internet and big tech, many of the elements of Moussolini's rise to power are already in place, with Antifa acting as the shock troops and the entanglement of the CIA, DC (BOTH PARTIES), media corporations, and mass surveillance already in place.


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Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


And finally, "Nazi".

"Nazi" was a political party whose name was a contraction of "national" and "socialism". Originally it was a reaction to Germany's economic freefall (from having to pay reparations for WWI), social dissolution (cabarets where anything went, for example), and hyperinflation under the Weimar government, which seemed unable to control the economic and financial distress. I knew people (they have since passed away) who recall boiling and eating shoes because they were starving. And there is the story of a mn who took out his entire life savings (which had been whittled to nothing by hyperinflation), went to a deli and ordered and drank a cup of coffee (which was all he could afford), and then shot himself. Like fascism, Nazism originally promised to be benign and restore economic and financial order. Unfortunately, Hitler turned Germany into a genocidal and aggressively expansionist nation.

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Tuesday, August 8, 2023 5:41 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


'Big Tech' and political infiltration of government servants of the state are one faction, they are not open minded, non-partisan. It's basically the Neo-Con playbook when they began to stack Federal Employees and Courts in the favor of the Neo-Con agenda but only this time its nu-Democrats that are the Deep State. Neo-Cons and nu-Democrats become one and the same, Neo-Cons and ordinary 'Conswervatives' however were way way behind when it came to 'Tech' they had a few blogs or something. All the Facebooks and U-tube were Leftwing or werido Globalist, banning Trump from the net could have helped Libertarianism...fake Libertarian Conservative Republicans and new Socialists all become one gang, 'Trump' had his name banned but then builds TurthSocial, it is kinda Conservative Rightwing but boring, hoepfully a new internet comes back a little like the old free web and the days of Crony Capitalism exposed.

Big Tech censors criticism of government COVID policies, scientific research as pandemic fades

https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/big-tech-censors-criticism-
government-covid-policies-scientific-research


Jack Smith advisor on Trump indictments donated thousands to Biden, Democrats: report

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/06/jack-smith-advisor-on-trump-in
dictments-donated-thousands-to-biden-democrats-report-1384270
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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 11:08 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


a new type of corporate state propaganda?

https://x.com/i/status/1815516628345581748

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