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People SHOULD be mentally much more robust to outside ideas; they should be able to parse information rationally no matter what the source; remember what happened ten days .. or ten years... ago; and be able to identify their own interests so that they can judge campaign promises realistically.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One way to bring America up to speed is to dump us into the rough-and-tumble of free speech. Shadow-banning/ censorship is NOT the way to sharpen the intellect. And running into the deep dark echo-chamber of preference simply guarantees that you will remain as stupid and gullible as you were before.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
You don't agree with my childlike, narrow-minded view of the world, therefore you can't be one of the 320+ Million people with a US Zipcode.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Russian Oligarch Funded ‘Troll Farm’ To Interfere In 2018 Midterm Elections: Feds

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/midterms-russian-interference_us_
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.

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Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp

Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.

Dos Vadanya

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Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp

Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.

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Putin approves law targeting journalists as 'foreign agents'

Vladimir Putin has signed a law that will allow Russia to declare journalists and bloggers as “foreign agents” in a move critics say will allow the Kremlin to target government critics.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-approves-law-targeting-jour
nalists-as-foreign-agents/ar-BBXGvc7?ocid=spartandhp

Dear comrades kiki, and sig. While you're bashing America, your homeland is crumbling. It's turning into one big gulag. A country that is just one big penal system. Don't forget to show your papers when you visit your relatives there.

Dos Vadanya

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From where I'm sitting, that's exactly what you Lefty Looney Toons are trying to tear down.

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Lindsey Graham says he's '1,000% confident' Russia meddled in 2016 US election -- not Ukraine

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on Tuesday said he is "1,000% confident" that Russia, not Ukraine, meddled in the 2016 US presidential election, breaking from President Donald Trump and others in his party who have pushed the discredited conspiracy theory.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lindsey-graham-says-hes-1000pe
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


Spare me.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
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I also want to upend ' liberal democracy '.

Too much honesty about our leaders and their corruption!! Oh no!!


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A liberal democracy is a form of representative democracy in which elected representatives who hold power are limited by a constitution that emphasizes protecting individual liberties, equality and the rights of minority groups. Among the many liberties that might be protected are freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion, the right to private property and privacy as well as equality before the law and due process under the rule of law. Such constitutional rights, also called liberal rights, are guaranteed through various controlled institutions and statutory laws. Additionally, the constitutions of most contemporary liberal democracies prohibits majoritarianism, which is rule by the will of majority, when it harms those in the minority.


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I'll let second explain it to you moron. I'm sure he'll be by shortly.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol

He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?

Good luck with that.

No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.


I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.

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lol

He's going to explain to me how the definition of Liberal Democracy is not what Democrat voters or politicians actually do?

Good luck with that.

No... He's going to come in here, quote one sentence out of one of my replies, and then go on some completely unrelated tangent like he always does.


I think you had better handle this one yourself, dummy.

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As we all know, Donald Trump spent many months last year trying to force Ukraine to announce an investigation into Hunter Biden’s work for a Ukrainian energy company called Burisma Holdings. The idea was to imply that (a) Hunter was employed solely to curry favor with Joe Biden, and (b) Joe Biden therefore treated Burisma favorably when he was vice president. There was never any evidence for any of this, but Trump tried and tried to extort Ukrainian officials into insinuating it anyway. This failed, and eventually led to impeachment charges in Congress.

But just because Trump failed didn’t mean that his friends all gave up. By an enormous coincidence, it turns out that Trump’s Russian buddies from the 2016 campaign decided to investigate Burisma:

The Russian spy agency known as the GRU launched a cyber “phishing” campaign against Burisma Holdings to trick unsuspecting employees into giving up their email credentials so the hackers could gain access to their email accounts — once again entangling Moscow in domestic U.S. politics, according to Area 1 Security, a Redwood City, Calif., company.

The operation’s launch coincided with a congressional impeachment inquiry into Trump and whether he abused his office by seeking to press Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into announcing a probe of Burisma and Hunter Biden — an action that conceivably would aid Trump’s reelection bid.

The New York Times adds this:

The Russian attacks on Burisma appear to be running parallel to an effort by Russian spies in Ukraine to dig up information in the analog world that could embarrass the Bidens, according to an American security official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. The spies, the official said, are trying to penetrate Burisma and working sources in the Ukrainian government in search of emails, financial records and legal documents.

In other words, the Russians are beavering away in all areas to try and find something that might look bad for Joe Biden. Did Trump ask them to do this? He just announced on TV what he’d like to see happen and the Russians took the hint. If they find anything, they’ll launder it through a couple of cutouts and then leak it to some friendly reporters. Will the American press be less credulous about reporting this stuff than they were in 2016? I wouldn’t count on it no matter how often they say they’ve learned their lesson. “But it’s newsworthy,” they’ll say.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Right on cue, I see.


What did I tell you T?

You can smell that turd from a mile away.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Right on cue, I see.


What did I tell you T?

You can smell that turd from a mile away.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Just responding to your title:

SO WHAT?

Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.

If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.

It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?



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Just responding to your title:

SO WHAT?

Russia can't "upend" anything if we don't let them.
That means that we have clean and auditable elections, and robust discussion of the issues under the banner of freedom of speech.

If you depend on censorhip and propaganda and mob rule to "enforce" your "democracy" then YOU HAVE JUST UPENDED IT YOURSELF.

It's like WISHY wanting to impose a Reign of Terror and kill 99.999% of the people on the globe, all in the name of "freedom" ... it's kind of self-contradictory, wouldn't you say?



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#WEARAMASK

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Coming straight from a Russian troll who works for a Russian troll farm. ^

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
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I'm from New York as well dreamtorve. A state where we hunt down Russian trolls and feed them to the rats.

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I have issues with extreme points of view myself rap. Many of those points of view come from you. However, Patton would roll over in his grave if he saw what you posted instead of coming together to push Putin back. What he represents in not democracy.

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I ignored your silly post for a year, and now looking back, what have we found ?

What ' interference ' did the Russians actually do to our election ? To date, nothing. Oh, they " may have " tried , but functionally , there's nothing to show that their actions had 1 iotas worth of impact on who voted for either candidate.

Nothing.

Patton wanted to drive through Berlin and not stop until he reached Moscow. He never trusted the Russian govt. So how is it a shock to anyone that a former KGB man like Putin would change his spots ? Point is, this is nothing new ! Been going on for 70+ years.

She LOST. Get over it.

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Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election between President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton has led to the indictments of 31 people and three companies — that we know of so far.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a13122012/robert-mueller-russia-
investigation-charges/

That group is composed of four former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals rappy with much more to come. Still think it's much ado about nothing? As I've said, Patton would roll over in his grave reading what your opinion of all this is.

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Even though Jack is sitting at a computer when he asks what is Liberal Democracy he can't figure how to find out what it is by himself.

Here you go dummy. A liberal Democracy is what Trump along with you trolls, claim to want while trying your damndest to destroy it.

Liberal democracy is a liberal political ideology and a form of government in which representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism. Also referred to as Western democracy, it is characterised by elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either formally written or uncodified, to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of sustained expansion throughout the 20th century, liberal democracy became the predominant political system in the world.

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#Rootin4Putin

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",

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Ukraine isn't winning. So there goes your gibberish about superior western weaponry and the invincibility of "wokeism",

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WHY PUTIN'S NEW YEAR SPEECH IS SCARY: How The Holiday Of New Year Is Used To Brainwash

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Originally posted by THGRRI: Monday, January 30, 2017 6:10 PM

Former Ukraine finance minister:

Russia's interference in the U.S. election was but the latest and most audacious episode in Moscow's ongoing effort to destroy liberal democracy and the Trans-Atlantic partnership, says a top Ukrainian leader. "The information attacks, the propaganda, the cyberattacks. We've lived through all the things they tested first in Ukraine," Natalie Jaresko, the country's former finance minister told David Axelrod on The Axe Files podcast, a joint production of CNN and the University of Chicago's Institute of Politics.

"It's shocking that they would take the risk of doing that in the United States. And now it appears -- I've seen reports -- Germany, France and elsewhere. "

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/natalie-jaresko-axe-files/index
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