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Sure. They ACTUALLY died of cancer in 2020. But the cause of death was listed as Covid-19. Every Time.

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Sure. They ACTUALLY died of cancer in 2020. But the cause of death was listed as Covid-19. Every Time.

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The biggest problem I have with the stories floating around is that people who 'believe' or 'disbelieve' 'the numbers' don't know where the numbers are coming from. And they attach many different stories to the numbers without knowing if those stories apply, or even if they make sense.
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One story is that hospitals inflate 'the numbers' of COVID-19 deaths because COVID-19 patients get extra government reimbursement. So a COVID-19 cause of death represents income to the hospital.

Whether a person who comes in to a hospital is treated for COVID-19 pneumonia or for a broken leg - a person who tests COVID-19 positive has to be treated like a person who tests COVID-19 positive. People need to come in to the room with all the required PPE for COVID-19, patients need to be isolated from non-COVID-19 patients, and COVID-19 disinfection and protection procedures need to be followed for everything from cleaning the room to throwing out the trash to washing the linens.

Any hospital patient who tests positive for COVID-19 needs extra precaution procedures, supplies, equipment, and facilities due simply to their COVID-19 infection, whether they have COVID-19 pneumonia or a broken leg. So extra reimbursement makes sense for ALL COVID-19 positive hospital patients.

But the story the numbers skeptics tell goes further. It says that hospitals count any COVID-19 positive DEATH as a COVID-19 death, whether or not it was due to COVID-19 or not ... because ... reimbursement. But the hospital doesn't get reimbursed on the basis of 'cause of death' - it gets reimbursed on the basis of COVID-19 diagnosis. So it makes no sense that a hospital would fudge its COVID-19 death numbers in order to get more money for treatment. That ship has already sailed.

And lastly for the hospital-inflated-numbers story, it's fallacy to claim that 'the numbers' are inflated hospital numbers if you don't actually know that those numbers came from hospitals. And people who dismiss 'the numbers' as hospital-inflated can't show that those numbers came from hospitals.
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Then there's the story that 'the numbers' of deaths are coming from insurance companies, and that they're inflated.

But that makes even less sense than the claim that hospitals are providing inflated death numbers. Aside from all the considerations that apply to hospitals: anyone who tests positive for COVID-19 needs to be treated differently than someone who doesn't, payment for treatment has no bearing on assigning cause of death, and nobody can point to insurance numbers as the source of the statistics, insurance companies have zero incentive to maximize 'the numbers' and every incentive to minimize them, since a COVID-19 diagnosis means an increased payout from them, and less profit. Why would insurance companies want to make themselves LESS profitable? They wouldn't.
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And for the US, there's the story that death certificates are being systematically fudged. And that makes the least sense of all for US numbers. There are hundreds of thousands of doctors, ME's, coroners, and pathologists with no ties to any vested economic interests, and everything to lose (like their licenses and their jobs) who are the people solely empowered to assign cause of death on the death certificate. And then they sign their name to the death certificate as the person who wrote it. Aside from the fact that there is literally no reason at all to fudge the cause of death - because a COVID-19 cause of death is neither a potential nor actual income or loss to anybody, least of all the people who write out death certificates - how does one wrangle hundreds of thousands of independent people to fudge the cause of death and risk losing their profession?
In addition, another related story is that all these hundreds of thousands of doctors, ME's, coroners, and pathologists are so vastly incompetent that they can't tell a death from a broken leg apart from a death from COVID-19, or a death from diabetes from a death from COVID-19, or a death from 'obesity' (and just like 'old age' no one ever died from 'obesity', they died from a definitive cause) from a death from COVID-19. So when it comes to internal US numbers, this story makes the least sense of all.

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The REAL US numbers will be put out by the CDC, but that'll take literally years - roughly 2, if they keep to their normal timetable. At that point the CDC people will have purchased all of the nation's death certificates for 2020, compiled them, entered the information into a database, verified and validated the data, run the statistics, checked their calculations ... and released their official report.

Until then, unless you know at the very least the actual source of the numbers you quote or dispute (ie don't claim they were from 'hospitals' unless you know for a fact they're hospital-generated numbers), you really don't have a factual basis for your opinions.

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Are you claiming that covid reimbursement is not based upon positive test result (sometimes days later, and days after discharge) for a facility?

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The covid death after decapitation in an accident: you are saying the person was driving their car while in the hospital? Otherwise the death had to be declared covid to reap the $13,000 of covid pay.

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The hospitals having patients retested every day so they can boost the covid count each day for 9 days

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You're just believing corrupt government agencies and corrupt media companies that you already know lie to you about literally everything else.

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links or it didn't happen

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Are you claiming that covid reimbursement is not based upon positive test result (sometimes days later, and days after discharge) for a facility?

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Well, now you're doing a SECOND and 'responding' to things that are the exact opposite of what I posted. I said that hospital reimbursement WAS based on COVID-19 test results, but that it WASN'T based on DEATH CERTIFICATES.

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The covid death after decapitation in an accident: you are saying the person was driving their car while in the hospital? Otherwise the death had to be declared covid to reap the $13,000 of covid pay.

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I also said in detail that all persons diagnosed with COVID-19 had to be treated with all the same precautions no matter if they had a broken leg or COVID-19 pneumonia, and so a COVID-19 diagnosis warranted extra reimbursement.

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Are you claiming that covid reimbursement is not based upon positive test result (sometimes days later, and days after discharge) for a facility?

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Well, now you're doing a SECOND and 'responding' to things that are the exact opposite of what I posted. I said that hospital reimbursement WAS based on COVID-19 test results, but that it WASN'T based on DEATH CERTIFICATES.

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The covid death after decapitation in an accident: you are saying the person was driving their car while in the hospital? Otherwise the death had to be declared covid to reap the $13,000 of covid pay.

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I also said in detail that all persons diagnosed with COVID-19 had to be treated with all the same precautions no matter if they had a broken leg or COVID-19 pneumonia, and so a COVID-19 diagnosis warranted extra reimbursement.

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That is an insipid statement.
Testing results days after discharge determines which patients are retroactively diagnosed, and therefore treated and isolated separately from those who had test results days after discharge as negative?
Are you saying in the time of covid that every hospital was issued time machines to travel backwards several days every time a positive result was determined?

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I'd be happy to discuss any EVIDENCE or LOGIC you might bring that's on topic!

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Everybody hear that Prince Philip and the Queen had gotten their Vaccine shots on 9 Jan?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55602007


In completely unrelated news:

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/prince-philip-spend-second-weekend-131015933
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It is just a coincidence. Really. For Sure.

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... Georgia Senate hearings featured Jovan Pulitzer, who demonstrated live during the hearing that Georgia Voting Machines were connected to the internet, sending and receiving data during LIVE Voting.

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And yet despite the many observed anomalies, nobody seems on-board with having a stellar group of academics study the results for anomalies/ impossibilities, like the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project recommends.

BTW, the original study that showed 2004 was jinked was commissioned by a private non-partisan group with one goal in mind: study the 2004 vote. It brought together academics to look at the vote statistics as were available at the time, and evaluate them statistically. (Mitofsky Report).

No politicians or political parties were involved: they didn't request it, they didn't acknowledged it, and they certainly didn't act on it. And after the report was written, the group dissolved.

And in 16 years, nothing has changed, despite the Vote Project of CalTech/ MIT which was a follow-up ongoing effort to put the US vote on solid ground.



Making a point of ignoring how the vote occurs is a long-historied, concerted, bipartisan effort to shield unaccountable black-box voting. So let's hear it for our democracy! and its mystery-votes!

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About 3 weeks ago, TX announced it was opening, and no more Mask requirements.

Since then, hospitalizations and cases have taken a nosedive.

But NY and NJ have massive spikes.

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About 3 weeks ago, TX announced it was opening, and no more Mask requirements.

Since then, hospitalizations and cases have taken a nosedive.

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Too bad that data does not show "massive spikes" or "a nosedive" you say it shows:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-jersey/

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All the old and sick people who died from their comorbitities already died.

And the Legacy Media loves it a Democrat.

They went with the nuclear option to make sure Trump didn't win. They put everyone through hell for the entire year of 2020 and then destroyed election integrity to ensure Biden* won*.

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RICHMOND, Va. -- With Virginia's top three elected officials engulfed in scandal, fellow Democrats were rendered practically speechless, uncertain of how to thread their way through the racial and sexual allegations and their tangled political implications.

Gov. Ralph Northam's career was already hanging by a thread over a racist photo in his 1984 medical school yearbook when a woman publicly accused the lieutenant governor of sexual assaulting her 15 years ago, and then the attorney general admitted that he too wore blackface once, as a teenager.

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I don't recall if this was mentioned.

The total cases of Flu for the last winter were 38,000,000 total.
For this past winter, total of 1,800 cases of Flu.

Looks like Covid killed the Flu.

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Maricopa County is conducting a forensic audit of its 2020 vote because the State Senate has subpoenaedthe results.

And Dems, not surprisingly, have thrown roadblock after roadblock in front of the process.

They objected to the State Senate's authority to demand such an audit. But the state Senate's authority was held up by the courts.

Then they objected to one of the audit companies (there are four) on the grounds that it was pro-Trump. When the courts bulldozed that objection, they switched to the idea that the audit company did not have an adequate security plan in place (so individual votes would not be revealed) and demanded an immediate stay.

The courts overruled that, but did require that a security plan be submittd.

So a security plan was submitted, on the proviso that it be kept secret, butsome nimord Dem law clerk let it "slip" into publication.

NOW Maricopa County refuses to turn over the election materials, with the Biden* administration providing support.

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Maricopa County Defies Subpoena, Won't Release Hardware For Election Audit Over 'Security Risk'

Update (1400ET): Something must be really worrying Democrats. There appears to be a full court press effort to delay and defer any and every effort to audit Maricopa County's election results. The Biden justice department added to pressure from Arizona's chief elections officer (a Democrat) and the Arizona Democratic Party, and now, Daniel Payne at JustTheNews.com reports that officials in Arizona's Maricopa County are withholding materials subpoenaed by the state legislature as part of its audit of the county's 2020 election, claiming that surrendering them would constitute a security risk for both law enforcement and federal agencies.

A Monday letter sent from the Maricopa County Attorney's Office to Ken Bennett, the former Arizona secretary of state and the liaison between the state Senate and the auditors, said the county had elected not to turn over "several routers" requested by the legislature due to an alleged "significant security risk to law enforcement data utilized by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office as well as numerous federal agencies."

Given that President Biden is the most popular president ever and we know from the mainstream media that there was no, none, zip, nada, election fraud anywhere in America, why are Democrats so aggressively interfering in the process of auditing the county's election?

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MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/arizona-elections-chief-alleges-pr
oblems-maricopa-county-audit-2020-election

I've been following this drawn-out saga since it started,and it's clear that Demsare engaging in a camapaign of obstruction.

Seeing as it's the only forensic audit being conducted on the vote, it's important that it go thru. Or, if you're a Dem, it's vitally important that it be stopped.


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