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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
You think people might learn something after that ship got stuck sideways in the Suez Canal

In California a lot of ships are parked off shore waiting

Supply and Consume...move product. All a big long complex link

In England the shortages come in major cities, some on the phone or sending begging letters urging them to help drive fuel trucks amid a gasoline petrol crisis, there is a tunnel between France and England but little shipped and no trucking. Some say Brexit ISN’T to blame for fuel crisis – but confusingly say the French are doing things, the political claims leaving EU caused trucker shortage?

Port of San Diego helps with Los Angeles cargo ship backlog
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems the energy "supply chain" is effed up just about everywhere... here, the UK, the EU, northern China ... all for different reasons.

In the EU, it's because they refused to let Nordstream2 online, and - of course- didn't sign any long-term contracts with Russia, so now that they're facing a cold winter the spot-market supplies are very tight. Also, wind and solar are not, as it turns out, reliably reliable.

In the UK, apparently the lorry (truck) drivers delivering gasoline to the petrol (gas) stations are half non-citizens of the UK (mostly underpaid Poles and Romanians) so after Brexit they no longer have visas to work in the UK. so ... phfffft! There they went! Also, Britain had a year where the wind didn't blow, so they used up their natgas surplus to power electricity generation, and now the cupboard is bare and the spot market is... well... tight.

*There was an interesting discussion on The Duran about tapping and storing gas reserves. Gas in not like oil and coal: You can't store it very easily and "save it for later". Being a gas, it takes up huge volumes to store, which requires geological-sized formations to keep it in. Here in SoCal, SoCal gas used to store gas in depleted oilfields buying in in the summer and when it's cheap, pumping it underground and hen withdawing it in the winter. Until they had a major blowout near Porter Ranch, which was the simple result of them NOT having blowout protectors on any of their 100-odd onsite wells. Worst gas leak in USA history: think Deepwater Horizon excpet on land, with natgas.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/utility-paying-up-to-2418b-in-settle
ment-for-worst-methane-gas-leak-in-us-history/ar-AAOV2m3

I don't know what's going on with northern China. They have plenty of coal, but it's brown coal. I guess their problem is they sanctioned coal imports from Australia and now they have to scramble for supplies.

I think the problem in the USA is that hedging has polled the price of gas up, making utitilies reluctant to buy.

In the Mideast, war and sanctions are calling the shots.

So, panic buying is the order of the day, mostly due to policy failures and (in some cases) technical failures. It's predicted to subside in the next month or two.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup.
You're going to have a backlog when shit is sitting there not being picked up and delivered anywhere.
Try and keep up.

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Once the cranes are working 24/7 we will see whether there's a real shortage of truckers and warehouse people.

Then after that, retail workers.

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“We’ve lost some guys to the pandemic, drivers,” Goldsby said. “Just for fear of being exposed, decided to not be on the road.”

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According to Todd, here's what happens. Ships arrive at the port, carrying goods. The cargo is unloaded and then it awaits pick up from a truck driver. That driver then has to get through traffic, with the chance they may have to make a stop at one of the railways to unload or pick up more cargo. From there, the goods head to a distribution center, and are then sent out.

.. Todd said wait times, "Can vary from 30 minutes to five hours." He says more needs to be done to recruit new truckers, saying, "This is a dying industry right now, it really it is. There's only a few of us veteran truck drivers out here."

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“Nobody’s applying for these jobs, and (the companies) don’t understand why,” Featherston said. “The money is out there to be made.”

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, as of July, roughly 33,000 trucking industry jobs remained unfilled from pre-pandemic levels. There was already a shortage before COVID-19.

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Colson said the pandemic shutdown closed training schools, widening the gap between drivers retiring and new drivers entering the field.

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According to the American Trucking Association, the trucking industry was short nearly 70,000 drivers in 2018..."There is already a shortage of truck drivers, but with the pandemic and the supply line issues, and the huge uptick in people staying home and ordering things online, it's just made a bad problem even worse," said Baker

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“With truck drivers, if their wheels aren’t turning they aren’t earning. I’m sure you’ve heard that saying so they’re trying to implement too many restrictions on them,” said Klhoe.

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Yup.
You're going to have a backlog when shit is sitting there not being picked up and delivered anywhere.
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Once the cranes are working 24/7 we will see whether there's a real shortage of truckers and warehouse people.

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In other words, I've already thought of that.

Not only are you NOT keeping up, you started way behind me.
Sorry that you're wrong.



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Of all of the articles that you linked, exactly ZERO mentioned vaccines.

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Of all of the articles that you linked, exactly ZERO mentioned vaccines.

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They're going to keep telling you all the reasons in the world that there is a worker shortage right now except for admitting that it is the Covid vaccine mandate.

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It certainly has nothing at all to do with the vaccine mandate though.

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SIX: You said that the issues weren't due to trucker shortages.

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An operation can only move at the rate of it's slowest step (rate limiting step).

The bottleneck is at unloading. Crane operator shortage is the cause. Truckers wait in line for HOURS to pick up their cargo. There's no shortage of them!

So apparently it's a combination of surge in demand (stimulus checks) meeting a choke point.

Once the cranes are working 24/7 we will see whether there's a real shortage of truckers and warehouse people.

Then after that, retail workers.

I think people in the USA are tired of being flogged for measely pay. Covid just added another dimension of stress on top of that. So a lot of people are staying home, sitting it out.

That must be what all the illegals are for.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yeah? Let's see you do what those "lazy" crane operators do.

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I'm not easily awed about shit.

I'm just saying your average dumbass (you) isn't somebody you'd want to be operating a crane.

You love shitting all over people who's jobs you think are beneath you, which is funny because you don't provide anything for anybody and you're a piece of shit.

And 40,000 is a lot less than 250,000, so I guess you're full of shit again. Imagine that, huh?

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Everybody needs to stop blaming each other and put the blame on Biden* where it belongs.

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Everybody needs to stop blaming each other and put the blame on Biden* where it belongs.

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You are an idiot. The shipping companies saw that they could price gouge and they took the opportunity: According to Freightos - an online freight marketplace https://ship.freightos.com/ - shipping a 40-foot container from China to the West Coast cost $1,318 in October 2019. Now, it costs more than $16,000. That is price gouging.
https://abc7.com/covid-supply-chain-holiday-shipping-shortage-2021-por
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It all goes back to Biden* and Democrats.

Your boy is toast.

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It all goes back to Biden* and Democrats.

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The shipping companies, which are price gouging, know perfectly well that there is no laws stopping them from price gouging. But people who never understood Capitalism, Trump voters being particularly NOT true Capitalists, think it is illegal and the President can stop Capitalism from functioning. He could, but only if he executed a few port crane operators to encourage the others to speed it up. ( More subtly, President could pay port crane operators an extra $100 per box moved, but they have to move at least 100 boxes an hour before they get any money. Move 100 boxes in an hour and get $10,000. Move less and get nothing extra. The operators can be bribed, you know. That is how Capitalism works. And the ships would be emptied of containers damn quick.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Price gouging isn't the problem we're talking about here.

Please feel free to start a Communist thread about whatever you want to talk about, dummy.

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Price gouging isn't the problem we're talking about here.

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6ix, the shipping companies slowed down the movement of cargo so that they can "justify" charging more than $16,000 for what cost less than $1,318 in October 2019. If you cannot understand that, you can't understand Capitalism, which explains everything about your troubles and a bunch voters who also have trouble with money, either not enough income or too high expenses.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Dude. You're so full of shit on everything you're not worth listening too.

Just keep denying that the vaccine mandates have anything to do with this.

Watch what happened this weekend in Chicago.

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Dude. You're so full of shit on everything you're not worth listening too.

Just keep denying that the vaccine mandates have anything to do with this.

Watch what happened this weekend in Chicago.

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Dude. You're so full of shit on everything you're not worth listening too.

Just keep denying that the vaccine mandates have anything to do with this.

Watch what happened this weekend in Chicago.

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Dude. You're so full of shit on everything you're not worth listening too.

Just keep denying that the vaccine mandates have anything to do with this.

Watch what happened this weekend in Chicago.

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Funeral held for Michael Pickering, 4th Chicago firefighter to die from COVID complications

Too bad that Pickering refused to be vaccinated. Tough luck since others didn't get vaxed and they didn't die.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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The bottleneck is at unloading. Crane operator shortage is the cause. Truckers wait in line for HOURS to pick up their cargo. There's no shortage of them!

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https://www.wltx.com/article/news/national/truck-driver-shortage-suppl
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According to Todd, here's what happens. Ships arrive at the port, carrying goods. The cargo is unloaded and then it awaits pick up from a truck driver.... From there, the goods head to a distribution center, and are then sent out.

.. Todd said wait times, "Can vary from 30 minutes to five hours." He says more needs to be done to recruit new truckers, saying, "This is a dying industry right now, it really it is. There's only a few of us veteran truck drivers out here."

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Couple that with a shortage of truckers to get those supplies to you, the system is in chaos, drivers now facing serious pick up delays.

"Often it's a line outside the gate, waiting in line on the interstate," Todd said.

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I said the issue AT THE DOCKS wasn't due to trucker shortages. Twice. Again, we can all read what I posted, so stop trying to change it. AT THE DOCKS there is a huge line of trucks waiting for their cargo, and they wait - sometimes for HOURS.

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One day, SIX, if you ever get your shit together and stop denying reality like you stopped your drinking, this will be as embarassing as your drunk posts, JO753's RUSSIARUSSIA! paranoia, and AURAPTOR's IRAQWMD! hysteria. I hope you come to a point where you can look at this in hindsight with a clearer head.

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You'd better figure it out, Biden*.

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It certainly has nothing at all to do with the vaccine mandate though.

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The shipping companies, which are price gouging, know perfectly well that there is no laws stopping them from price gouging.

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Some confusing posts have been made since then.

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SIX: He didn't die of Covid because nobody dies of Covid.

SIGNYM: One day, SIX, if you ever get your shit together and stop denying reality like you stopped your drinking, this will be as embarassing as your drunk posts, JO753's RUSSIARUSSIA! paranoia, and AURAPTOR's IRAQWMD! hysteria. I hope you come to a point where you can look at this in hindsight with a clearer head.


SIX: There is nothing embarrassing about denying the existence of WMDs.
History will prove me right. It usually does.

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SIX: He didn't die of Covid because nobody dies of Covid.

SIGNYM: One day, SIX, if you ever get your shit together and stop denying reality like you stopped your drinking, this will be as embarassing as your drunk posts, JO753's RUSSIARUSSIA! paranoia, and AURAPTOR's IRAQWMD! hysteria. I hope you come to a point where you can look at this in hindsight with a clearer head.


SIX: There is nothing embarrassing about denying the existence of WMDs.
History will prove me right. It usually does.

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Are you being dense on purpose? AURAPTOR's problem was that he was convinced ... convinced, I tell you! ... that Saddam had WMD. And no lack of supporting evidence ... or contrary evidence found ... could sway his mind. Not even GWB's failed WMD search was enough for him to see the truth.

Just like JO753 is convinced ... convinced, I tell you! ... that Putin is some evil mastermind and that everything bad that happens to us is because of Putin, despite the fact that everything he points to as evidence has been debunked five times over.

And then there's you, SIX. You're convinced ... convinced, I tell you! ... that SARS Cov-2 is just a universally-promoted government conspiracy designed to scare people. And no amount of peoples' direct experience with family and friends dead of Covid will make you see the truth.

*Yanno, when I type that out loud... that's an shocking level of crazy. Why would you defend it?


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