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'Kyle did nothing wrong'? or the crimes of the Kenosha Shooter

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Friday, November 19, 2021 11:42 AM

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Analysis: Here's why Kyle Rittenhouse is likely to be acquitted — and why the law on self-defense must change

by John Gross | Wisconsin Law School
Gross is director of the Public Defender Project at the Wisconsin Law School at UW–Madison.

In the Rittenhouse case, I expect that the jury will not be convinced of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in large part because of the way the law defines self-defense.

The issue to be decided in a criminal trial is extremely specific: Did the prosecution prove every element of the offense or offenses charged beyond a reasonable doubt. The jury is only permitted to render one of two verdicts: guilty or not guilty. By finding a defendant not guilty a jury is not saying that the defendant is innocent. Innocent isn’t an option. The jury is not deciding whether someone is morally blameworthy, they are deciding whether a legal standard has been met.

In the current state of the law, Rittenhouse is not barred from claiming the privilege of self-defense because he illegally possessed a firearm. He is also not barred from claiming the privilege of self-defense because he was violating a curfew order. While many people feel that carrying an AR-15 assault rifle in public is dangerous and invites confrontation, Wisconsin is one of many “open carry” states where parading down a public street with a military-style assault rifle is permitted.

If the jury acquits Rittenhouse, then they will be doing what the law requires them to do. That should prompt us to ask why the law dictates this result, and how the law might be changed to discourage people from resorting to deadly force -- and if they do, to hold them more accountable.

We could deny the right to act in self-defense to people who illegally possess a weapon and are in a place where they are not allowed to be. We could also restore the requirement that before someone has the right to use deadly force, they have a duty to retreat. Recently, state legislatures have been doing the opposite, eliminating the duty to retreat by passing “stand your ground” laws.

We could make self-defense an affirmative defense that must be proven by the defense by clear and convincing evidence, not disproven beyond a reasonable doubt by the prosecution. One of the challenges facing prosecutors in the Rittenhouse case is that once the issue of self-defense is raised, the law requires them to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act in self-defense. It is fair and reasonable to require that the person who felt privileged to use self-defense bear the burden of persuading the jury that they acted in self-defense.

We could make self-defense a complete defense to a charge of homicide only when the threat to the person’s safety is obvious and immanent. The law now permits a person to use deadly force if they reasonably believed it was necessary even if that belief was mistaken. The law also does not require that a person wait until the last second to use deadly force. Police officers who shoot unarmed people of color often rely on this argument to justify their use of deadly force. They never see the barrel of a gun but claim that under all the surrounding circumstances they reasonably believed that someone was armed.

We could prohibit testimony that the defendant feared that the weapon they were carrying could be used against them. This is also a claim that police officers make when they have a physical altercation with someone who is unarmed. It was one of the claims that Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey made to investigators when attempting to justify his shooting of Jacob Blake. It would also address the fear that is instilled in people when others decide to openly carry assault weapons.

If the jury acquits Rittenhouse, it will not be a mistake. They will have properly applied the law to the facts of the case. If you think a verdict of “not guilty” was the wrong result, your quarrel is not with the jurors who decide the case but with the law as it is written. That law is not set in stone. It is dictated by statute, not by our state or federal constitutions. It can, and should, be changed to discourage the use of deadly force and to hold those who resort to the use of deadly force accountable.

More at https://madison.com/wsj/opinion/column/analysis-heres-why-kyle-rittenh
ouse-is-likely-to-be-acquitted-and-why-the-law-on/article_f1e4edf4-6fd2-5004-ae14-d45b009ab5a9.html

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Friday, November 19, 2021 12:39 PM

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Kyle Rittenhouse’s Defense Was Strong. It’s Also a Threat to the Rule of Law.

Rittenhouse’s killing of Rosenbaum may have been lawful. But that was scarcely self-evident to the bystanders who heard gunshots and then saw a killer holding an AR-15. The group of protesters who proceeded to chase and attack Rittenhouse could have reasonably believed that killing the armed teenager was necessary to save others from imminent bodily harm. If Rittenhouse had a right to shoot Huber and Grosskreutz in self-defense, the latter had a similarly legitimate basis for shooting Rittenhouse dead.

Put differently: Once Rittenhouse fired his first shots, he and his attackers plausibly entered a context in which neither could be held legally liable for killing the other. Whether one emerged from this confrontation legally innocent or lawfully executed hinged on little more than one’s relative capacity for rapidly deploying lethal violence. Rittenhouse had a more powerful weapon and a quicker trigger finger than Huber or Grosskreutz. Thus, he may well walk free, in full health, while Huber lies in a grave and Grosskreutz gets by without the bulk of his right bicep.

This outbreak of “Wild West” rule isn’t as anomalous as one might hope. America’s culture of vigilantism, high rate of gun ownership, and increasingly permissive self-defense laws have conspired to turn “kill or be killed” scenarios into a regular occurrence.

The culture that turned the 17-year-old into a revered killer — a culture of mass firearm ownership and vigilantism — is antithetical to law and order as it is conventionally understood. It is a culture premised on the illegitimacy of the state’s monopoly on violence and the incapacity of formal institutions to uphold social order or public safety. It sees America as a society forever teetering on the brink of Hobbesian breakdown (“war of every man against every man,” a constant and violent condition of competition in which each individual has a natural right to everything, regardless of the interests of others) and firearms as the sole guarantor of individual security. And the more influential this culture becomes, the more its paranoid delusions come to resemble our collective reality.

“Legally kill or legally be killed” scenarios are just one of several pathological consequences of America’s lax gun regulations, and permissive police use of force and/or self-defense laws.

More at https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/11/rittenhouse-jury-verdict-self-
defense-legal-analysis.html

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Friday, November 19, 2021 2:15 PM

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Jury finds Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty on all charges

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/582382-jury-finds-kyle-ritten
house-not-guilty-on-all-counts

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Friday, November 19, 2021 5:45 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


The soap opera?

Visibly shaking Kyle Rittenhouse breaks down upon hearing not guilty verdict
https://www.bitchute.com/video/z8WjgGry0_E/

Tulsi Gabbard (D) Hawaii
Jury got it right finding Rittenhouse not guilty
https://rumble.com/vphw1y-jury-got-it-right-finding-rittenhouse-not-gu
ilty.html

BLM protestor suffers mind seizure
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CNlJYVOPQK1X/

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Friday, November 19, 2021 6:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Kyle Rittenhouse’s Defense Was Strong. It’s Also a Threat to the Rule of Law.

Rittenhouse’s killing of Rosenbaum may have been lawful. But that was scarcely self-evident to the bystanders who heard gunshots and then saw a killer holding an AR-15.


Which just goes to show that jumping to mistaken conclusions can lead to Lynch mobs.

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A group of protesters who proceeded to chase and attack Rittenhouse could have reasonably believed that killing the armed teenager was necessary to save others from imminent bodily harm. If Rittenhouse had a right to shoot Huber and Grosskreutz in self-defense, the latter had a similarly legitimate basis for shooting Rittenhouse dead.
Was he threatening THEM? Or do you like mob rule and unreasonable action?



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Put differently: Once Rittenhouse fired his first shots, he and his attackers plausibly entered a context in which neither could be held legally liable for killing the other. Whether one emerged from this confrontation legally innocent or lawfully executed hinged on little more than one’s relative capacity for rapidly deploying lethal violence. Rittenhouse had a more powerful weapon and a quicker trigger finger than Huber or Grosskreutz. Thus, he may well walk free, in full health, while Huber lies in a grave and Grosskreutz gets by without the bulk of his right bicep.
Somebody fired into the air. That set off the melee. But Rittenhouse was responding to ACTUAL THREAT, the others were operating on apparently mistaken assumptions. That makes Rittenhouse's the more accurate response, and therefore lawful. If the others could point to anACTUAL THREAT, they, too would be lawful.

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This outbreak of “Wild West” rule isn’t as anomalous as one might hope. America’s culture of vigilantism, high rate of gun ownership, and increasingly permissive self-defense laws have conspired to turn “kill or be killed” scenarios into a regular occurrence.
You just don't like our legal system

It is what PREVENTS lynch mobs and Wild West mentality, by rewarding reasoned response and (hopefully) punishing unreasoned ones.

Quote:
blah blah blah blah


And cue SECOND's defense of the rioters that will follow in 3... 2 ... 1...

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Friday, November 19, 2021 7:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And cue SECOND's defense of the rioters that will follow in 3... 2 ... 1...
I am very pleased with the jury's decision, but I expected it in less than a hour. The jury went off on an unnecessary tangent about reviewing the video. Such a waste of time. The primary thing that counts in the law of self-defense as it was written was whether the defendant "feels" threatened. The law doesn't use that exact formulation, but that is what it boils down to in an American courtroom.

The law requires the prosecution to prove the defendant did NOT "feel" threatened. Hard to prove that. If the defendant says he "feels" threatened, the defendant goes free. Sometimes the defendant does not take the oath because they can't convincingly fake for the jury the "feeling" of being threatened, so defense witnesses and experts testify to what the defendant was "feeling". Prosecution can't break down that barrier unless the murderer is instinctively hated by a jury or the prosecution had at least three telepathic psychics at the scene of the murder testify about what the murderer was actually feeling before, during, and after the murder.

In a Civil trial for damages, the murderer's "feelings" count for nothing. If Kyle Rittenhouse is sued for wrongful death, he might lose. That's what happened to O.J. Simpson, who was declared not guilty of murder, but was successfully sued for $33.5 million in damages. O.J. didn't pay much because he moved to another state and declared bankruptcy, but that is just how the legal system habitually malfunctions in America. Rittenhouse has a much weaker Civil case than O.J. because everybody saw Rittenhouse murder his victims but nobody saw O.J. pull the trigger. On the other hand, Rittenhouse has zero assets to be seized, other than the AR-15. Win or lose, Rittenhouse won't pay much. His lawyers will certainly prosper if Trumptards raise the money for his defense in Civil court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Civil_trial

How often does a self-defense case end with guilty verdict?
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+often+does+a+self-defense+case+end
+with+guilty+verdict%3F

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Friday, November 19, 2021 7:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I am very pleased with the jury's decision


Bullshit.

Dozens of your ignorant posts in this thread say otherwise.




Second spent all day long crying today.



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Friday, November 19, 2021 7:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


SEPTEMBER 4TH, 2020:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Kyle ain't even getting a slap on the wrist for this.

That's fair warning to any other would-be murderers out there.

You get what you fucking deserve.

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Now he gets to sue everybody all the way up to Fuck Joe Biden for slandering his name.

Cast a wide net, Kyle.



Maybe you and Sandmann can come to an agreement and share custody of CNN and MSNBC.







P.S....

JANUARY 6TH, 2021:

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Kyle ain't even getting a slap on the wrist for this.



Another prediction?

He's on trial btw


ALSO, JANUARY 6TH, 2021:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Yup. A lot of innocent people get put on trial.

Are you insinuating that he's guilty because he's on trial?

I certainly hope not.

He'll be fine.


To which, of course, I got no reply.


Here's your I Told You So from the bag.

They're free, but you're welcome to get on your knees now and blow me too.



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Friday, November 19, 2021 9:29 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


And Justice prevails:

https://nypost.com/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-acquitted-of-all-charge
s-in-kenosha-shooting/







There were some details that I had forgotten, or learned.


Criminal pedophile serial boy rapist Rosenbaum announced that he would kill Kyle because Rosenbaum had set a trash dumpster on fire, and was wheeling it to the police vehicles to set the police on fire, and then Kyle used his fire extinguisher to put out the fire in the dumpster. This incensed Rosenbaum that his arson was extinguished, and he announced he was going to kill Kyle.
Rosenbaum was not scared off by being shot, so he was shot 4 times.


One of the attackers that Kyle shot at (but missed) was known as jump-kick-man, who kicked Kyle in the head. This was violent criminal Maurice Freeland, which Prosecutors kept hidden until the end of the trial.

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Friday, November 19, 2021 9:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah. Just hope those jurors got some good security.

The Lunatic Left is out to get them.

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Friday, November 19, 2021 10:31 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Not going to click on any of your Jack's links because ... you.
That's why you're a stupid and ignorant bitch.

I didn't make the video. That unedited video has been around since the very day of the incident.

Good luck finding it on YouTube anymore where the Leftist Activists ban anyone who doesn't follow conform to the narrative. It's not being removed from Bitchute though.
I think the word choice was incorrect. I corrected it above.






Also, and aside, the total time elapsed from Ziminski firing behind Kyle, then shooting of attacker Rosenbaum, then firing at but not hitting another attacker,then getting bashed in the head with a skateboard by Huber and shooting him, and then firing at and missing another attacker, then Grosskreutz aiming his illegal handgun at Kyle and Kyle shooting him, was all of 16 seconds.
Also, Rosenbaum was shot 4 times, not getting the hint after being shot once or twice.
This totals at least 9 shots within the same 16 seconds. That is how long it takes for the mob of Libtard arsonist rioters to get a clue and step back.

Clearly, he was merely responding to the murderous mob attacking him, not thinking about how many he could kill.

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 12:10 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Wow! Look what happened while I was out of town!

Cool. The jury got a lot of evidence, and the jury decided. That's all I was hoping for.

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 3:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
SIGNYM:

And cue SECOND's defense of the rioters that will follow in 3... 2 ... 1...

SECOND: I am very pleased with the jury's decision
I got this far into your post to know that you're

a) lying your ass of, and
b) changing the topic. You WILL defend any rioters who disagree with the jury's decision. Also, anyone who doxxes or threatens the jury members or the judge. That's how much you LOVE America!

Oh, yeah, and you can get on your knees and blow SIX.


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Saturday, November 20, 2021 7:51 AM

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Democratic President Joe Biden, who has been critical of Rittenhouse and of armed vigilantes patrolling communities, said the decision must be respected.

“I stand by what the jury has concluded,” Biden told reporters. “The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.”

Meanwhile . . .

Gov. Greg Abbott celebrates Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal: ‘NOT GUILTY!’

“This verdict reiterates that every American has the God-given right to self-defense and the protections of the Second Amendment,” Republican U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas said in a statement.

U.S. Rep. Chip Roy and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton were among those who also welcomed the ruling.

In private, Texas Trumptards were giddy that now they can call it self-defense when they kill the hated and evil Libtards who are cancer and turning Texas into a Communist land. Also privately, Trump is their President and Biden* stole the election.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Gov-Greg-Abbot
t-celebrates-Rittenhouse-16635488.php

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 7:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


NOW:

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Democratic President Joe Biden, who has been critical of Rittenhouse and of armed vigilantes patrolling communities, said the decision must be respected.

“I stand by what the jury has concluded,” Biden told reporters. “The jury system works, and we have to abide by it.”


THEN:


Pictured: Half-Mexican "white" supremacist.


Save it, Joe*. You don't get to pretend to be the responsible one now.

Kyle's going to sue your ass off.



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Saturday, November 20, 2021 8:46 AM

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We're really headed to an extremely dark place, where this is the mainstream GOP view of the Libs. To be honest, I think we're already there:

Kurt Schlichter @KurtSchlichter
Your pain delights me. Kyle Rittenhouse killed two leftist catspaws and bisected the bicep of another and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan
It is difficult to express in words, or even via stats, how messed up the U.S. ‘justice’ system is, & how riddled with double standards it is.
Does anyone - even the most conservative person - really believe a black man or a Muslim like me would have been acquitted, too?

8:55 PM · Nov 19, 2021·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/Wilson__Valdez/status/1461890922178879492

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 9:38 AM

DREAMTROVE


That was stupid
everything in this incident was stupid
everyone in this incident was stupid
the jury and judge and the rest of it also stupid
don't reward the triggerhappy moron with the AR15
the convected child molestor throwing laundry at him not a hero
the stoner with the skateboard also not briliiant
skateboard no match for AR15
The rapist they're protesting over not brilliant either
the burglar qho pointed a gun at the "active shooter" to disarm him
that's not how to stop an active shooter
kyle stopped him as a shooter correctly
but this was the dumbest story I have read in a while

I avoid these when I can.
I've been in bed for over a month so I haven't been around

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 9:38 AM

DREAMTROVE


That was stupid
everything in this incident was stupid
everyone in this incident was stupid
the jury and judge and the rest of it also stupid
don't reward the triggerhappy moron with the AR15
the convected child molestor throwing laundry at him not a hero
the stoner with the skateboard also not briliiant
skateboard no match for AR15
The rapist they're protesting over not brilliant either
the burglar qho pointed a gun at the "active shooter" to disarm him
that's not how to stop an active shooter
kyle stopped him as a shooter correctly
but this was the dumbest story I have read in a while

I avoid these when I can.
I've been in bed for over a month so I haven't been around

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 3:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:

And cue SECOND's defense of the rioters that will follow in 3... 2 ... 1...

SECOND: I am very pleased with the jury's decision
I got this far into your post to know that you're

a) lying your ass of, and
b) changing the topic. You WILL defend any rioters who disagree with the jury's decision. Also, anyone who doxxes or threatens the jury members or the judge. That's how much you LOVE America!

Oh, yeah, and you can get on your knees and blow SIX.





https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rittenhouse-acquitted-all-charges


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Quote:
Portland Rittenhouse Protest Escalates Into Riot

by Tyler Durden
Saturday, Nov 20, 2021 - 07:15 AM

Update (Saturday 0715 ET): The reports turned out to be correct. Protests were seen in multiple cities, and a riot was declared in Portland, Oregon, hours after Kyle Rittenhouse’s acquittal.

Protests were observed in downtown Brooklyn, New York; Boston, Massachusetts; Chicago, Illinois; and Portland, Oregon. Focusing on Portland, a riot was declared at 9 p.m. local (or 2400 ET) after hundreds of demonstrators unleashed their liberal rage by smashing windows and hurling objects at police.





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Saturday, November 20, 2021 4:41 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF SHIT
and had nothing to do with this trail

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Kyle Rittenhouse killed two leftist catspaws


One of them he killed was a pedophile
is it your dream to defend pedophiles or something?

One of the Men Killed by Kyle Rittenhouse just got out of the Psyche Mental Hospital, he was a Convicted Pedophile, Who Used N-Word and Provoked People to ‘Shoot Me’ ... he the pedophile was chasing down a kid and finally got shot by that kid. Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor.

The survivor of Rittenhouse self defense shootings, that guy with a chunk of his arm blown off AFTER he pulled a gun on the kid also has criminal past, probably goes around half drunk and drugged out of his mind was charged with smashing the bedroom window at an ex-girlfriend’s home at 4 a.m. with the woman claiming he had been harassing her on the phone, charged with prowling and stalking police, Grosskreutz was arrested and charged with hitting his grandmother in the face during a dispute, another year, was hit with a felony burglary charge

The other guy Huber was already under arrest for attacking women for domestic violence, “Use of Dangerous Weapon,” “Strangulation & Suffocation,” “False Imprisonment,”

Pedophiles and Criminals Attacking a Kid who won the fight
the Leftists perhaps not sending their best?

and...

What the fuck is it with people coming in to threads to suck to dick off jihadi islamo propaganda pushers
Why do people insist on taking it up the ass from mohammedan islamics?

That's not to say all muslims are terrorists, some muslims as individual people have good qualities despite having such a shit religion

but some people insist on making this a racial, worship, political and religion and ethnic issue...so cool
Let's go there

You get a rich dude like O.J its a scene where a person basically gets away with murdering a Jew 'Ronald Lyle Goldman' and a Blonde Caucasian woman ...why because its the Media Circus and MONEY...not Race

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

or a Muslim like me would have been acquitted, too?



Why do you expect us to click on such a shit link?

Are you also a Muslim or Anarchist Commie Marxist or something, maybe your just one of those fucked up Antifa Lennist Afro centric Marxists or something?

oh... POOR FUCKING ISLAM....feel sorry for the poor 1400 yr old pedophile terrorist that jihadists pray to and Feel soory for a shit book, the shit jihadi literature that islamists worship, feel sorry for their shit terrorist pedo prophet called Moohammad, they say

POOR POOR FUCKING ISLAMIC ...BOO FUCKING WOO CRY cry

Dozens of Innocent Black African Americans get gunned down EVERY FUCKING Weekend by HOODRAT Negroid Gangbangers

Hundreds and Thousands of Black Africans are openly sold as slaves in Markets in Libya

The jihadi islamics are going on a rampage of murder, rape, shootings and bombings this month across Arabia, they are killing Hindu on the Indian sub continent, in Europe, in N.Africa in Asia killing and murdering Buddhists, they are killing in France, killing Black African Christians in Nigeria, in genociding ethnic races in Syria, in Uganda, in England, in Afghanistan, in Thailand, in Egypt, they carry out mass slaughter and massaceres in Burkina Faso, they might even be a few crossing the US Southern Border inside groups of other illegals
but an American guy 'Kyle' you hate, a guy the media programmed you to hate,
this guy is 'not guility' allowed walk free
So you think -
Let's stop the entire planet from turning, let's stop everything from moving
and make this about poor poor islams

but let's stay silent about all the crimes, about all the hundreds of thousands of Americans dying by drugs
all the other crimes and real deaths and real murders in this world
and let's not miss a propaganda opportunity to bash America and promote more shit islamist bullshit religion and Sharia Law Jihadi propaganda

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
We're really headed to an extremely dark place


No YOU and ONLY YOU ARE HEADED TO AN EXTREMELY DARK PLACE ...
have you started going to those mosques, maybe its the Antifa Karl Marx crap you read, or have you started putting the jihadi rags on top of your head? Have gone full mohammedan retard yet?

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

I've been in bed for over a month so I haven't been around


Sounds like you've been sick, I remember you posted a thread 'I think I have delta' but I only read the first post and didnt reply
I know some people have gone through medical Corona stuff and some might have recovered from Covid, I hope others gave you some tips

Glad to hear theres fight in you, get well!

Anyways back on Topic it seems Tucker made a Documentary on Kyle
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/threw-them-room-several-times-074749943.html
'I threw them out of the room several times': Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney says he didn't approve of Tucker Carlson film crew

Tucker Carlson at Fox says he's going to air the interview with Kyle Rittenhouse

the media madness continues....

Kyle Rittenhouse: verdict exposes divide that ‘angry’ Biden fails to heal
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5c4b7302-4a23-11ec-9b62-734d2c1aba5
2?shareToken=0e1aedc27f4ec635b43134eaf708046a
QUOTE
White supremacist, vigilante, gun nut, all-American hero, a boy trying to protect businesses as police stepped back?

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 5:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



BTW, in the attempted murder case I was on that resulted in an acquittal, the defendant was a convicted gun-thief, suburban, black, gang-banger wanna-be.

But he didn't throw the first punch, and he quit beating the legal-gun-owner, suburban, white, military wanna-be guy when the white guy stopped swinging at him.

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 5:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Anyway, the most egregious 'self-defense' defense I can think of was when the hefty, gun-toting George Zimmerman got to stalk and threaten an unarmed black youth, then shoot him in 'self defense'.

And in the current Ahmaud Arbery trial, we're to believe that 3 armed white men felt so threatened by a single unarmed black man they had stalked and threatened, that they had a reason to shoot him in 'self-defense'.

Something is very wrong with the self-defense laws when one can get defenses like that.


In the Rittenhouse case, the judge was so befuddled by the law, he could offer no instructions, so the jury was on its own.


I have no issue with whatever decisions the juries render. But there clearly is something wrong with particular self-defense laws as written. It seems it should be possible to write laws with clarity (unlike the Rittenhouse case), that clearly distinguish between aggressor and defender (unlike the Zimmerman case, and possibly the Arbery case).

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:02 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


double post.



Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF SHIT
and had nothing to do with this trail

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Kyle Rittenhouse killed two leftist catspaws


One of them he killed was a pedophile
is it your dream to defend pedophiles or something?

One of the Men Killed by Kyle Rittenhouse just got out of the Psyche Mental Hospital, he was a Convicted Pedophile, Who Used N-Word and Provoked People to ‘Shoot Me’ ... he the pedophile was chasing down a kid and finally got shot by that kid. Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor.

The survivor of Rittenhouse self defense shootings, that guy with a chunk of his arm blown off AFTER he pulled a gun on the kid also has criminal past, probably goes around half drunk and drugged out of his mind was charged with smashing the bedroom window at an ex-girlfriend’s home at 4 a.m. with the woman claiming he had been harassing her on the phone, charged with prowling and stalking police, Grosskreutz was arrested and charged with hitting his grandmother in the face during a dispute, another year, was hit with a felony burglary charge

The other guy Huber was already under arrest for attacking women for domestic violence, “Use of Dangerous Weapon,” “Strangulation & Suffocation,” “False Imprisonment,”

Pedophiles and Criminals Attacking a Kid who won the fight
the Leftists perhaps not sending their best?

and...

What the fuck is it with people coming in to threads to suck to dick off jihadi islamo propaganda pushers
Why do people insist on taking it up the ass from mohammedan islamics?

That's not to say all muslims are terrorists, some muslims as individual people have good qualities despite having such a shit religion

but some people insist on making this a racial, worship, political and religion and ethnic issue...so cool
Let's go there

You get a rich dude like O.J its a scene where a person basically gets away with murdering a Jew 'Ronald Lyle Goldman' and a Blonde Caucasian woman ...why because its the Media Circus and MONEY...not Race

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

or a Muslim like me would have been acquitted, too?



Why do you expect us to click on such a shit link?

Are you also a Muslim or Anarchist Commie Marxist or something, maybe your just one of those fucked up Antifa Lennist Afro centric Marxists or something?

oh... POOR FUCKING ISLAM....feel sorry for the poor 1400 yr old pedophile terrorist that jihadists pray to and Feel soory for a shit book, the shit jihadi literature that islamists worship, feel sorry for their shit terrorist pedo prophet called Moohammad, they say

POOR POOR FUCKING ISLAMIC ...BOO FUCKING WOO CRY cry

Dozens of Innocent Black African Americans get gunned down EVERY FUCKING Weekend by HOODRAT Negroid Gangbangers

Hundreds and Thousands of Black Africans are openly sold as slaves in Markets in Libya

The jihadi islamics are going on a rampage of murder, rape, shootings and bombings this month across Arabia, they are killing Hindu on the Indian sub continent, in Europe, in N.Africa in Asia killing and murdering Buddhists, they are killing in France, killing Black African Christians in Nigeria, in genociding ethnic races in Syria, in Uganda, in England, in Afghanistan, in Thailand, in Egypt, they carry out mass slaughter and massaceres in Burkina Faso, they might even be a few crossing the US Southern Border inside groups of other illegals
but an American guy 'Kyle' you hate, a guy the media programmed you to hate,
this guy is 'not guility' allowed walk free
So you think -
Let's stop the entire planet from turning, let's stop everything from moving
and make this about poor poor islams

but let's stay silent about all the crimes, about all the hundreds of thousands of Americans dying by drugs
all the other crimes and real deaths and real murders in this world
and let's not miss a propaganda opportunity to bash America and promote more shit islamist bullshit religion and Sharia Law Jihadi propaganda

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
We're really headed to an extremely dark place


No YOU and ONLY YOU ARE HEADED TO AN EXTREMELY DARK PLACE ...
have you started going to those mosques, maybe its the Antifa Karl Marx crap you read, or have you started putting the jihadi rags on top of your head? Have gone full mohammedan retard yet?

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

I've been in bed for over a month so I haven't been around


Sounds like you've been sick, I remember you posted a thread 'I think I have delta' but I only read the first post and didnt reply
I know some people have gone through medical Corona stuff and some might have recovered from Covid, I hope others gave you some tips

Glad to hear theres fight in you, get well!

Anyways back on Topic it seems Tucker made a Documentary on Kyle
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/threw-them-room-several-times-074749943.html
'I threw them out of the room several times': Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney says he didn't approve of Tucker Carlson film crew

Tucker Carlson at Fox says he's going to air the interview with Kyle Rittenhouse

the media madness continues....

Kyle Rittenhouse: verdict exposes divide that ‘angry’ Biden fails to heal
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5c4b7302-4a23-11ec-9b62-734d2c1aba5
2?shareToken=0e1aedc27f4ec635b43134eaf708046a
QUOTE
White supremacist, vigilante, gun nut, all-American hero, a boy trying to protect businesses as police stepped back?
Folk seem to keep forgetting that he was working as a Security Guard that night. He was merely acting as a First Responder when he repeatedly provided First Aid to the injured, and escorting them to the EMTs, as well as using his Fire Extinguisher to extinguisherthe fires that the criminal arsonist rioters were setting.


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Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:02 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF SHIT
and had nothing to do with this trail
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Kyle Rittenhouse killed two leftist catspaws
One of them he killed was a pedophile
is it your dream to defend pedophiles or something?

One of the Men Killed by Kyle Rittenhouse just got out of the Psyche Mental Hospital, he was a Convicted Pedophile, Who Used N-Word and Provoked People to ‘Shoot Me’ ... he the pedophile was chasing down a kid and finally got shot by that kid. Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor.

The survivor of Rittenhouse self defense shootings, that guy with a chunk of his arm blown off AFTER he pulled a gun on the kid also has criminal past, probably goes around half drunk and drugged out of his mind was charged with smashing the bedroom window at an ex-girlfriend’s home at 4 a.m. with the woman claiming he had been harassing her on the phone, charged with prowling and stalking police, Grosskreutz was arrested and charged with hitting his grandmother in the face during a dispute, another year, was hit with a felony burglary charge

The other guy Huber was already under arrest for attacking women for domestic violence, “Use of Dangerous Weapon,” “Strangulation & Suffocation,” “False Imprisonment,”

Pedophiles and Criminals Attacking a Kid who won the fight
the Leftists perhaps not sending their best?

and...

What the fuck is it with people coming in to threads to suck to dick off jihadi islamo propaganda pushers
Why do people insist on taking it up the ass from mohammedan islamics?

That's not to say all muslims are terrorists, some muslims as individual people have good qualities despite having such a shit religion

but some people insist on making this a racial, worship, political and religion and ethnic issue...so cool
Let's go there

You get a rich dude like O.J its a scene where a person basically gets away with murdering a Jew 'Ronald Lyle Goldman' and a Blonde Caucasian woman ...why because its the Media Circus and MONEY...not Race

















Anyways back on Topic it seems Tucker made a Documentary on Kyle
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/threw-them-room-several-times-074749943.html
'I threw them out of the room several times': Kyle Rittenhouse's attorney says he didn't approve of Tucker Carlson film crew

Tucker Carlson at Fox says he's going to air the interview with Kyle Rittenhouse

the media madness continues....

Kyle Rittenhouse: verdict exposes divide that ‘angry’ Biden fails to heal
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5c4b7302-4a23-11ec-9b62-734d2c1aba5
2?shareToken=0e1aedc27f4ec635b43134eaf708046a
QUOTE
White supremacist, vigilante, gun nut, all-American hero, a boy trying to protect businesses as police stepped back?
Folk seem to keep forgetting that he was working as a Security Guard that night. He was merely acting as a First Responder when he repeatedly provided First Aid to the injured, and escorting them to the EMTs, as well as using his Fire Extinguisher to extinguisherthe fires that the criminal arsonist rioters were setting.

I hear the Rittenhouse interview with Tucker will be on the Manday show.






Also, I keep forgetting to mention that the verdict was rendered on Friday, yesterday. Just in time for Deer Hunting Season in Wisconsin, which started on Saturday. One might wonder if this has any affect on all of the riots about the verdict happening in cityslicker sites, not in WI while everybody with a rifle or bow is roaming around.

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 1:40 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Anyway, the most egregious 'self-defense' defense I can think of was when the hefty, gun-toting George Zimmerman got to stalk and threaten an unarmed black youth, then shoot him in 'self defense'.
Just how confused are you?

"hefty" Zimmerman, with his injuries of his head smashed into the pavement, was age 28, all of 5' 6" and 185 lbs - mostly lard at that point, was a Neighborhood Watch, working with Police to deter the criminals from perpetrating in his hood. I personally have not been down to 195 since I was 21 - until my first Covid.

And your tiny little helpless drug addict, thief, burglar, vandal, violent thug Trayvon Martin, age 17, 6' and 160 lbs trying to kill Zimmerman by smashing his head into the pavement, which all of the witnesses agreed and admitted to (but outside the prosecutor's blackmail directives to lie). Being high on pot, having had somebody buy cigars for him, and carrying the ingredients for drug cocktail "Lean", he only took 40 minutes to walk the 10 minutes from 7-11 - and then 10 minutes after he was next to the house where his dad was, he backtracked to hunt down Zimmerman and beat him.

Not that your FACTS Vaccine has worn off enough for you to wake up, but:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/06/what_the_media_choose
_not_to_know_about_trayvon.html


When I was 17 and 160 pounds I was benching 350, doing 44 chin-ups in a set, 130 pushups every other day, 75 dips in a set, 240 dips in a day. That hulking thug had a lot of strength and power. And he practiced Fight Club style street fighting.

I guess you just would have only been happy when Trayvon completed his murder of Zimmerman, and then anonymously slipped away in the night.






Quote:
Something is very wrong with the self-defense laws when one can get defenses like that.


In the Rittenhouse case, the judge was so befuddled by the law, he could offer no instructions, so the jury was on its own.


I have no issue with whatever decisions the juries render. But there clearly is something wrong with particular self-defense laws as written. It seems it should be possible to write laws with clarity (unlike the Rittenhouse case), that clearly distinguish between aggressor and defender (unlike the Zimmerman case, and possibly the Arbery case).

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 6:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You're just as ignorant of the effects of marijuana as Kiki is about Covid.



--------------------------------------------------

Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 7:38 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF SHIT
and had nothing to do with this trail

Why do you expect us to click on such a shit link?

Are you also a Muslim or Anarchist Commie Marxist or something, maybe your just one of those fucked up Antifa Lennist Afro centric Marxists or something?

oh... POOR FUCKING ISLAM....feel sorry for the poor 1400 yr old pedophile terrorist that jihadists pray to and Feel soory for a shit book, the shit jihadi literature that islamists worship, feel sorry for their shit terrorist pedo prophet called Moohammad, they say

POOR POOR FUCKING ISLAMIC ...BOO FUCKING WOO CRY cry

Dozens of Innocent Black African Americans get gunned down EVERY FUCKING Weekend by HOODRAT Negroid Gangbangers

Hundreds and Thousands of Black Africans are openly sold as slaves in Markets in Libya

The jihadi islamics are going on a rampage of murder, rape, shootings and bombings this month across Arabia, they are killing Hindu on the Indian sub continent, in Europe, in N.Africa in Asia killing and murdering Buddhists, they are killing in France, killing Black African Christians in Nigeria, in genociding ethnic races in Syria, in Uganda, in England, in Afghanistan, in Thailand, in Egypt, they carry out mass slaughter and massaceres in Burkina Faso, they might even be a few crossing the US Southern Border inside groups of other illegals
but an American guy 'Kyle' you hate, a guy the media programmed you to hate,
this guy is 'not guility' allowed walk free
So you think -
Let's stop the entire planet from turning, let's stop everything from moving
and make this about poor poor islams

but let's stay silent about all the crimes, about all the hundreds of thousands of Americans dying by drugs
all the other crimes and real deaths and real murders in this world
and let's not miss a propaganda opportunity to bash America and promote more shit islamist bullshit religion and Sharia Law Jihadi propaganda

No YOU and ONLY YOU ARE HEADED TO AN EXTREMELY DARK PLACE ...
have you started going to those mosques, maybe its the Antifa Karl Marx crap you read, or have you started putting the jihadi rags on top of your head? Have gone full mohammedan retard yet?
Jayneztown, were you foaming-at-the-mouth mad?

Trump’s "stop the steal" lawyer Lin Wood, who once represented Kyle Rittenhouse, is threatening to sue the Rittenhouse's current attorney after he called Wood an "idiot" on CNN on Friday night.

https://www.rawstory.com/lin-wood-2655769596/

Two stories from Wisconsin:

Chrystul Kizer—17-yr-old Black girl in Wisconsin who killed the man raping & trafficking her
• Convicted & case is now in Appeals

Kyle Rittenhouse—17-yr-old white boy in Wisconsin who took an AR-15 to a protest & killed 2
• Acquitted

The system isn't broken—it was built this way

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 4:06 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


America is a great country when the self-defense argument works for a black man in Florida, even when shooting at cops:

On the same day as Rittenhouse was declared not guilty, Andrew Coffee IV found not guilty of murder, attempted murder in Indian River County SWAT raid

Alteria Woods, 21, died during exchange of gunfire

https://www.wptv.com/news/region-indian-river-county/andrew-coffee-iv-
found-not-guilty-on-5-counts-in-indian-river-county-swat-raid


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 5:27 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


We have all followed this story since August 2020 ... it has almost come to its conclusion

Unfortunately it got very political, it was election season and the truth was almost lost.

Wisconsin's court system has four levels: municipal courts, circuit courts, the Court of Appeals, and the Supreme Court. During the Civil War, Wisconsin was a Republican state; in fact it is the state that gave birth to the Republican Party.

In another seperate case the United States v. Skoien, 587 F.3 d 803 (7th Cir. 2009 ) – Steven Skoien, a Wisconsin man convicted of two misdemeanor domestic violence convictions, appealed his conviction based on the argument that the prohibition violated the individual rights to bear arms, as described in Heller. After initial favorable rulings in lower court based on a standard of intermediate scrutiny, on July 13, 2010, the Seventh Circuit, sitting en banc, ruled 10–1 against Skoien and reinstated his conviction for a gun violation, citing the strong relation between the law in question and the government objective.
Skoien was convicted and sentenced to two years in prison for the gun violation, and will thus likely be subject to a lifetime ban on gun ownership. Editorials favoring gun rights sharply criticized this ruling as going too far with the enactment of a lifetime gun ban, while editorials favoring gun regulations praised the ruling as "a bucket of cold water thrown on the 'gun rights' celebration"

since people here have discessed the Right to Firearms to have a Militia or to Bear Arms
Let's have a look at a quote on the 2nd Amendment

The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate and later ratified by the States, reads:


A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights which hangs in the National Archives had slightly different capitalization and punctuation inserted by William Lambert, the scribe who prepared it. This copy reads:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Both versions are commonly used by "official" U.S. government publications.

Quote:
Originally posted by second:


Trump’s "stop the steal" lawyer Lin Wood, who once represented Kyle Rittenhouse, is threatening to sue the Rittenhouse's current attorney after he called Wood an "idiot" on CNN on Friday night.


You must of the memory of a fucking goldfish or something but I told you before many, many, many times I don't vote for Trump, I'm not American, I don't really give a shit either way who gets elected, its a country for the American people, its not my country, its a place where US citziens and the American people vote and I have nothing to do with its voting.
I will admit this one I got interested in because I watched the news breaking as it went viral and the Gun Debate and Legal system is of slight interest to me just for the sake of debate and firearms rights and right to defend.

I do follow American News because if the US economy goes into the shitter typically the rest of the Western world also starts to suffer

...but

Tell me have You Read ANYTHING any single thing about islam.

Have you read any of the pages in their islamo books

All of it is translated you know into English, Japanese, Spanish and many other languages so even an ignorant less educated idiot who has the ability to read and write can pick up one of their shit islamist books or you can even download a translation for free and understand what islam is and who mahomet the founder of islamism really was.

If You had read any fucking thing about islam at all, I wonder if you would be so quick to defend it.
Or maybe you are so fucked up you will twist and turn words and politics and make it seem like jihadis, and moslems and terrorists and radcial islamists are oppressed by this Kyle Kenosha unrest shooting and court ruling ... you are a radical Leftists tactic, you have wishes to somehow by false means win a debate by any means at all, the end will justify the means because in your mind you must think as conservaitves or Republicans they all must be bad or evil???

Have you read a single page even a single paragraph from those islamic jihadi and pedophile terrorist prophet inside those books you chose to protect?

Or do you just re-act automatically, a knee jerk emotional reaction perhaps to defend the islamics...Are you not thinking for yourself and just getting brainwashed by the Batshit insane regressive left Neo-Democrats that you just repeat and parrot their talking points without even thinking?


Did you simply re-post and parrot the talking points of Keith Al-jihada Ellison or illhan Omar or Anjem Choudary or Rashida Tlaib did you just repeat their islamic garbage and jihad gibberish without thinking or do you just really hate and dislike America as it is?

Quote:
Originally posted by second:


Chrystul Kizer—17-yr-old Black girl in Wisconsin who killed the man raping & trafficking her


Alleged Sex Salve I believe ... the trial is ongoing I believe, as much as I would think it cool if someone shot a guy like Harvey Weinstein that kinda becomes mob rule or mob vigilante justice, people are expected to go to trail first, that is also not how the Second Amendment works.

The girl I hear some reports say ...I'm not sure if true, but they say she might have willingly offered herself as a prostitute, she advertized her services in some page ...then the psycho sexual predator pimp took over.

These are two totally seperate cases

Some say thing was premeditated. She was texting friends right before it happened, you could try call for 'insanity' but she was not insane enough to not be able to write messages to her friends that she was going to do it. She took an uber there. She took selfies afterward with the dead body? She went joyriding after. They weren't fighting. There was no struggle. She shot him in the head while he sat in a chair
its a difficult debate inside a court room and there could be 'extenuating circumstances'

She might also be a trashy person...

She made herself judge, jury, and executioner. She might have 'issues' but she doesn't get to do that killing in a civilized society, another problem she steals cash from the scene and gets her friends to go riding around in the BMW they now stole...a much different story to the Kyle kid in Kenosha get ambushed by a mob gang.

But share the BLM Antifa buzzwords and memes and make it into a Race issue if you so desire

Quote:
Originally posted by second:


On the same day as Rittenhouse was declared not guilty, Andrew Coffee IV found not guilty of murder, attempted murder in Indian River County SWAT raid



Before you tried to make this a religion, class and race issue

Are you now saying its not a Race issue, seen that a Black guy, feared for his life when a bunch of people busted down his door and he responded and shot a police officer?
or maybe its about how the cops forget to knock or broadcast their intentuion over megaphone or how Indian County Cops acted like Wild Cowboys in Flordia, the Sheriff then says her boyfriend used her as shield...the whole thing goes to trial but he happened to have good attorney, strong lawyers.
If the media wanted to promote a story where things go wrong they could have picked this one, instead of pushing the trashy 'Breonna Taylor', I wonder do the Media pick the most odd controversial ones to air to allow the political clown show to continue???

So you are saying it is a race issue or is not?

and do you want to bring 'islam' back into the debate?

Have you read a single damned page from that Disgusting Terrorist Pedophile Book the Quran or Koran that you chose to defend?

or are you simply against Guns and Firearms, unless they are owned by the State/Police?

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND: You are implying that ANYONE who sings "God Bless America" is a "Trumptard".


You know I'm not even American but I think Second simply hates America as it was founded and hates the US Constitution as it is today

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


I hear the Rittenhouse interview with Tucker will be on the Manday show.




I might catch it, not sure... never was a fan of Fox but Tucker seems like he's worth a look once in a while

Fox says it did not pay Rittenhouse family for media access

https://www.kxxv.com/news/fox-says-it-did-not-pay-rittenhouse-family-f
or-media-access

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 6:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



JSF, you seem to forget that unlike Ritternhouse - or you - I've been an actual licensed professional first responder, an EMT.

So let me ask you - was Rittenhouse deputized to be 'security'? Licensed? Hired? Registered with the police? Anything? Was he a real first responder? Police? Fire? EMT/ Paramedic? (A first responder is a person with specialized training who is among the first to arrive and provide assistance at the scene of an emergency, such as an accident, natural disaster, or terrorism. First responders typically include law enforcement officers, paramedics, EMT's and firefighters.)

Or was he a self-important busy-body, self-assigned and self-promoted?



As for Trayvon Martin, you seem to forget he was unarmed and was STALKED AND CONFRONTED by a man with a gun. Where was Martin's right to self-defense? To stand HIS ground?


You are one seriously confused dood.

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 6:52 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I'm not American, I don't really give a shit either way who gets elected, its a country for the American people, its not my country, its a place where US citizens and the American people vote and I have nothing to do with its voting.

I will admit this one I got interested in because I watched the news breaking as it went viral and the Gun Debate and Legal system is of slight interest to me just for the sake of debate and firearms rights and right to defend.
Life is short. Make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers about politics.

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 7:47 PM

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Fireflyfans user Second bashed the Kyle verdict
and like other threads and said this was an attack on islam

Second still while defending islamism, won't tell me if a single page of the Koran or Koran has been read
has Second read just even one single translated page of that shit islamist jihadi book that Second wants to Defend?

Some people with their own tiwsted wraped sick minds think Kyle is somehow oppressing, keep down people like ... bin Laden? some islamo preacher? they are opressing mosques? the San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik? the ayatollah khomeini?
for some odd reason some person here in fireflyfans community thinks the Kyle judgement is an attack on isalm or some shit?

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers about politics.


I'm not not here to argue I just want Facts, historical Fact and not the clownshow of Politics

The internet is an opportunity to always learn

Tell me some truth
Why The Fuck have you come into this thread to defend islam???

If you know little of islam or refuse to tell me if you have read anything on islam then let's read out some of their islamism...?
Let me quote some FACTUAL pages from their books then...

I will give you information on islam from their own books, you can confirm this info historically, scientifically...you can read and photocopy their books go on a quest to study their languages, confirm it through literature, you can watch online videos of islamic quotes and check these translated quotes by your own self
You can download free PDFs and E-book and confirm this info to be true or false yourself.

Tell me a Fact about your reading, have you read any books during your life???
Do you read much

Have people read Mao's little red book?
Did they read the Bible?

I assume people are aware of Karl Marx and they are aware there are books or writing called the Communist Manifesto or Das Kapital or aware that Hitler wrote a book called Mein Kampf ...but have people read any islamic words

Have you ONE SINGLE PAGE of their islamist books, have you even read a paragraph, did you read anything, any pages, anything at all from hadith, Al-Bukhari, sunnah, the shiite and sunni books, Ishaq Sirat Rasul, al-Tabari, the writings of the Quran or Koran and Mohammedanism

I will for now take your refusal to answer my question as an admission of your ignorance

So let me give you some quotes
In the future if you remember these quotes and in the future you will no longer sound so stupid and ignorant when talking about jihadists or 'islam'

HATRED and TERROR in islam


Quran You can go to section page 2:216

“Fighting has been enjoined upon you jihadists islamists while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you islamists jihaidsts; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And the Demon Moongod Al Lah Knows, while you know not.”

Here is another Terroristic quote from islam

Koran or Quran go to page section 8:67 - "
It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land...
"


Fighting and Killing inside one's own tribe, race and family

Quran or Koran 18:65-81
A parable condoning “honor killings”. This demonic Moongod jihadi parable encourages the murdering of family members who bring shame or dishonor to their family.


Killing and Toture of old women in islam

They capture a woman and tie her to camels and then ripped her body apart
Some will say they ripped her arms and legs off, her split her legs open and tear her in half and others just say she was killed in a cruel way
Let me quote so you get the message from these islamic books.
Quote:

QUOTE

Umm Qirfa Fatima was taken prisoner. She was a very old woman, wife of Malik. Her daughter and Abdulla b. Mas’ada were also taken. Zaid ordered Qays b al-Musahhar to kill Umm Qirfa and he killed her cruelly.
Zyad bin Harithah ordered Qays to kill Umm, and he killed her cruelly. He tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to two camels, and they split her in two.
Among them was a woman from Banu Fazara. She was wearing a leather coat. With her was her daughter who was one of the prettiest girls in Arabia. I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize. So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of the demon Al Lah met me in the street and said: Give me that girl, O Salama. I said: Messenger of Allah, she has fascinated me. I had not yet disrobed her. When on the next day, the Messenger of Allah again met me in the street, he said: O Salama, give me that girl, may God bless your father. I said: She is for you. Messenger of of thje demonic Moongod Al Lah! By the demonic Moongod al Lah, I have not yet disrobed her. The Messenger of the demon Moongod al Lah sent her to the people of Mecca, and surrendered her as ransom for a number of Muslims who had been kept as prisoners at Mecca.



did you know moohammad had many wives, he took people as booty, he tortured and killed and terrorized, he took women and slaves as war booty, he was a sexual pervert, a cross dresser and dressed in women's clothes, he raped animals, he was a terrorist who lead a terrorist army of bandits, he had sex with his dead aunt and his favorite 'wife' was a 6 year old?

The Quran or Koran is an old book that describes the life of mahomet a bloody thirsty perverted savage from 1400 years ago
This preacher,/bandit mahomet he starts out his life as an annoying preacher, gets kicked out from this multi-cultural city/town ... he then builds himself an army ...returns later to that same town with his army, as a terrorist rapist and starts to conquer, ending his life as a terrorist rapist mass murdering extremist.


PEDOPHILES in islam



Aisha Muhammad's child bride says "The Moon god al Lah's Apostle married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old."


There are also reference to young boys as pearls which probably helped spawn that criminal pedophil;e Bacha Bazi culture.

Killing of Jews

Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - The Demonic Moongod Al Lah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Killing of Infidels
QUOTE

Sahih Muslim section and page (1:33) - the Messenger of the Evil Demonic Al Lah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but the Moongod Al Lah, that Mahomet is the messenger of this demon Moongod Al-Lah

Tabari page and section 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of the demon Moongod Al Lah and kill those who disbelieve in the Moongod Al-Lah."

Islamic texts supporting Beheadings or Chopping of the Head/Neck Area?

“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

Why are muslims still using the old barbaric way of killing people doing genocide on people like Yezidi up close and personal, maybe because laser guided missiles or submarines or fighter aicraft or firing squads were unheard-of when 47:4 was written

more jihadism and islamism?

Abu Dawud (14:2526) considered daif - The man Mahomet who moslems believe a Prophet said, Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day the Demonic Moongod Al Lah sent me as a prophet...

More TERROR and JIHAD

“They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore do not take friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of the Demon Moongod Al-Lah;
Qur’an or Koran 4:89
then, if they turn their backs, seize them and kill them wherever you find them; do not take for yourselves any one of them as friend or helper.”

Quran page and section (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of the Demon Moongod Al Lah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of the Demonic Moongod Al Lah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

“When you meet the unbelievers, strike their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if the demonic Moongod Al Lah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.” the Koran or Qur’an 47:4 page and section

Quran or Koran 3:56 - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

I could go on and on but it would take a while ...there is lots and lots and lots of terrorism and rape and jihadi and islamist crap in these books but

We are now both aware of some islamic quotes
Now at least you have some understanding of 'islam' and you are not totally ignorant of what these books contain


No longer ignorant of islams quotes
Do you now still believe the Kyle Rittenhouse Verdict is keeping islamisms down, do you believe this kid child 'Cracka' is oppressing Al-Lah or some crazy paranoid insane Anti-American pro jihadi bullshit?

or maybe just maybe you might develop a sense of humor and even start postinga few good memes on islam???





Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:


Or was he a self-important busy-body, self-assigned and self-promoted?



Like I said from the very first post of this thread 'what the fuck was that kid doing'

but the legal trial wasn't about if the kid was doing something dumb, was he a bit stupid and young, was he unwise

or did he have the right to defend himself?

...it not about being totally innocent of stupidity

its that he was found 'Not Guilty' that's what the final outcome of the trial was

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 7:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Life is short. Make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers about politics.


When taking the source of this comment into context, this is the funniest fucking thing I've heard all year.

Thanks for all the laughs over the years, moron.



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Sunday, November 21, 2021 8:47 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Or was he a self-important busy-body, self-assigned and self-promoted?

Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Like I said from the very first post of this thread 'what the fuck was that kid doing'
but the legal trial wasn't about if the kid was doing something dumb, was he a bit stupid and young, was he unwise
or did he have the right to defend himself?
...it not about being totally innocent of stupidity
its that he was found 'Not Guilty' that's what the final outcome of the trial was
I wasn't disputing the verdict. I was disputing JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to go running around armed because he - Rittenhouse - was a 'first responder'. That's all I was pointing out. It had nothing to do with the verdict.

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 11:40 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


He didn't?

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Sunday, November 21, 2021 11:44 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


https://www.newsweek.com/you-win-arm-all-angry-young-men-scared-ones-t
oo-opinion-1651643

Quote:
You Win. Arm All the Angry Young Men—and the Scared Ones, Too


You're goddamned right I win.

It's the brothers in the Democrat ran shitholes that own all the illegal guns and account for a vast majority of the murder by guns.

You're afraid of white men now, after pretending that you're tougher than we are all these years?

Good.

Maybe you'll start acting a little more polite, now that we understand each other.





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Monday, November 22, 2021 3:39 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He didn't?
I was specifically responding to JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to be out there doing what he was doing because he, Rittenhouse, was some kind of 'first responder' - which he definitely wasn't. And in general, Rittenhouse had as much right to be out there, armed or not, as anybody ... considering there was an 8PM curfew, that means, not much.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 7:30 AM

SECOND

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Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Fireflyfans user Second bashed the Kyle verdict
and like other threads and said this was an attack on islam

Second still while defending islamism, won't tell me if a single page of the Koran or Koran has been read
has Second read just even one single translated page of that shit islamist jihadi book that Second wants to Defend?

Some people with their own tiwsted wraped sick minds think Kyle is somehow oppressing, keep down people like ... bin Laden? some islamo preacher? they are opressing mosques? the San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik? the ayatollah khomeini?
for some odd reason some person here in fireflyfans community thinks the Kyle judgement is an attack on isalm or some shit? . . . .
Much more, etc., etc.
Jayneztown, your brain is overheating and is emitting huge quantities of smoke, sparks and flames.

You are not tweeting, but many tweeters are foreigners promoting false information and stoking divisions in America:

Pro-Rittenhouse tweets came largely from Russia, China and the EU: ex-FBI official
https://www.rawstory.com/kyle-rittenhouse-support-tweets-international/

Barb McQuade @BarbMcQuade
So much of the anger on social media is fueled by foreign adversaries, promoting false information and stoking divisions. We need to educate the American public to build our resilience.

Frank Figliuzzi @FrankFigliuzzi1
Divide & conquer: A sample of 32,315 pro-Rittenhouse hashtag tweets, Nov 19-20, showed 29,609 with disabled geolocation. Of those, 17,701 were listed as “foreign”, but a deep scrub revealed most of those were in Russia, China, and the EU. @Tara_Writer @TAPSTRIMEDIA #Rittenhouse
3:22 PM · Nov 21, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/BarbMcQuade/status/1462532013550977030

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Monday, November 22, 2021 8:02 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And cue SECOND's defense of the rioters that will follow in 3... 2 ... 1...


Second LOVES what happened now. He would have driven the van if he could.


(Make sure to watch the video before Communist Susan Wojcicki removes it).

Little to no rioting going on while 500 national guard were stationed, but they wait until people go back to sleep and then mow down 20+ people, including the elderly and over a dozen kids in a van at a Christmas parade.

If the Legacy Media, celebrities and politicians don't shut the fuck up immediately and stop feeding the flames of racial tension, this is only going to continue to get worse as wackjobs on the fringes on both sides continue to try to one-up each other.

Watch your backs out there. Grow a third eye in the back of your head if possible.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 8:28 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He didn't?
I was specifically responding to JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to be out there doing what he was doing because he, Rittenhouse, was some kind of 'first responder' - which he definitely wasn't. And in general, Rittenhouse had as much right to be out there, armed or not, as anybody ... considering there was an 8PM curfew, that means, not much.


The only people allowed to be at an arsonfest riot after curfew are the arsonist rioters *COUGH* *COUGH*, I mean the peaceful protestors.

Got it.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 8:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Don't care to chime in on this one anymore, Second?

You stupid race-baiting fuck.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 11:52 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He didn't?
Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I was specifically responding to JSF's claim that Rittenhouse had a right to be out there doing what he was doing because he, Rittenhouse, was some kind of 'first responder' - which he definitely wasn't. And in general, Rittenhouse had as much right to be out there, armed or not, AS ANYBODY ... considering there was an 8PM curfew, that means, not much.
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The only people allowed to be at an arsonfest riot after curfew are the arsonist rioters *COUGH* *COUGH*, I mean the peaceful protestors.
Got it.
Did ** I ** make ANY exception for ANYBODY? No, I didn't. I posted about anybody, everybody, without exception.

So why are you implying that I did?

You've become a second SECOND. All you do is lie, and troll. But just like all of the other bullshit you've posted for years, saying something a million times doesn't make it true.


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Monday, November 22, 2021 2:53 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Seriously, SIX, when you have to lie about what ppl posted, that's stooping pretty low.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 2:59 PM

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Rittenhouse and the Right’s Strategy of Deputizing Vigilantes

The government can’t trample on protesters’ First Amendment rights, but armed vigilantes can do it for them.

The freedom of assembly is guaranteed by the First Amendment, which prevents discrimination on the basis of viewpoint. So, despite what repeated instances of police violence against protestors might suggest, the police cannot punish protestors for protesting police killings. But what if police stand by while private so-called militias attack and intimidate protestors, forcing them to flee and causing others to stay home? That happened time and again during last year’s Black Lives Matter protests, without repercussion for the police. The result is a system in which vigilantes armed with assault rifles and uniformed in combat gear can trample protestors’ rights with government endorsement.

The culprit is the First Amendment, which protects only against governmental abridgements of rights. The so-called “state action” requirement means that, for better or worse, the First Amendment does not prohibit private abridgments of speech or assembly rights.

Militias have gathered under the “thin blue line” flag (signifying solidarity with police), enjoyed friendly treatment from officers (including tips and encouragement), and assaulted counter-protesters while police watched (and did nothing). All this has blurred the lines between police and militia. Sometimes there are no lines. Recently hacked membership lists and emails from the Oath Keepers, a prominent far-right anti-government militia that played an extensive role in the Jan. 6 insurrection, showed that many active-duty officers in New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey are part of the organization.

Florida, Iowa, and Oklahoma granted immunity to drivers who run over protestors in certain circumstances, worrying advocates that extremists might mow down protestors and political enemies.

Vigilante targeting of protestors exploded. Rallies and protests have been repeatedly cancelled under looming threats of violence. By one count, militias and similar far-right actors showed up at approximately 500 protests last year, where they were responsible for 64 assaults, 38 cars driven into demonstrators, nine firings of guns at protesters, and 387 other instances of intimidation. There is reason to worry things will only get worse in the wake of Friday’s verdict.

GOP congressmen are already fighting to hire Rittenhouse.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kyle-rittenhouse-is-acquitted-republican
-lawmakers-fall-over-each-other-to-offer-him-a-job

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/11/how-the-rittenhouse-verdic
t-threatens-first-amendment-right-public-protest.html

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Monday, November 22, 2021 5:24 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SECOND sure likes to post distorted diatribes, doesn't he?

BTW, SECOND, I didn't even read thru first sentence.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 6:24 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND sure likes to post distorted diatribes, doesn't he?

BTW, SECOND, I didn't even read thru first sentence.
Only a troll would say "distorted diatribes" AND say didn't read it. You were pre-programmed to do what you did. A troll robot program. Come to think of it, a human with an AR-15 would have been able to wound an assailant, but a robot like Rittenhouse can't use a little finesse when solving a problem and goes with straight forward murder. I already knew that Texas Trumptards cannot improvise under even the slightest pressure (they inevitably get completely discombobulated) so there was no reason to think Rittenhouse could show restraint when he aims an AR-15.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 6:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seriously, SIX, when you have to lie about what ppl posted, that's stooping pretty low.


Kiki is a piece of shit on my shoes. She should go back to ignoring me, because she's not worth my time at all.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 8:09 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Go wipe yourself, jack-shit.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 9:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Eat my balls, shitstain.

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Monday, November 22, 2021 9:44 PM

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Hey Janez...

You see another thread about Rittenhouse anywhere? I just went through 20 pages and I can't find it.

I got into an argument with Second or his split personality Reaverfan on one of them when I posted that Rosenbaum was a pedophile, and I had to use an archive site capture of the info on that because the Legacy Media had scrubbed it, and they were telling me that I was full of shit.

It seems that nobody is arguing today that Rosenbaum dated single women so he could diddle their kids, and I wanted to rub that in it's disgusting face.

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