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How Does Russia Want to Lose?
Wednesday, March 23, 2022 8:18 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Wednesday, March 23, 2022 9:25 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: It's clear he knows his long-running playbook has now failed him.
Wednesday, March 23, 2022 10:23 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, March 23, 2022 11:38 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: There isn't going to be any nukes.
Thursday, March 24, 2022 12:45 AM
Thursday, March 24, 2022 7:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Nukes have nothing to do with me smoking. There's not going to be any nukes you fucking fear-porn junkie Karen bitch. Go fucking live in a bunker with your fake wife and fake daughters and your Reaverfan persona. Nobody wants to listen to you anymore.
Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: I'm pretty sure Putin thinks he can smoke one city, Kyiv, and then he can stop. Well . . . maybe smoke two cities. Oh, why not smoke all the cities in Ukraine and finish the 20 nukes that come in every pack?
Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by second: I'm pretty sure Putin thinks he can smoke one city, Kyiv, and then he can stop. Well . . . maybe smoke two cities. Oh, why not smoke all the cities in Ukraine and finish the 20 nukes that come in every pack? Texas droll.
Thursday, March 24, 2022 12:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: There's people to fear in the world, and Putin ain't one of them.
Tuesday, March 29, 2022 1:33 PM
THG
Keep it real please, and use a VPN
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: https://www.wired.com/story/biden-putin-russia-lose-ukraine-war/ Putin, Biden Face a Dangerous Choice: How Does Russia Want to Lose? As Russia's failures mount in its war against Ukraine, can Biden prevent an isolated Putin from doing the unthinkable? US President Joe Biden meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the 'Villa la Grange' in Geneva on June 16 2021 Today, Bidenâs balancing act is understanding the extent to which Putin views himself as inseparable from the state. As this war becomes an existential threat to Putin, will it bring forth even greater tragedy? Can Biden navigate a path to help Putin lose without destroying the world? ++++++++++++
Saturday, September 10, 2022 6:12 PM
Saturday, September 10, 2022 6:38 PM
Saturday, June 17, 2023 11:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: https://www.wired.com/story/biden-putin-russia-lose-ukraine-war/ Putin, Biden Face a Dangerous Choice: How Does Russia Want to Lose? As Russia's failures mount in its war against Ukraine, can Biden prevent an isolated Putin from doing the unthinkable? US President Joe Biden meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the 'Villa la Grange' in Geneva on June 16 2021 THREE WEEKS INTO Russiaâs invasion of Ukraine, as its underperforming military bogs down in the face of a world-inspiring defense effort, US president Joe Biden and Russian president Vladimir Putin find themselves caught between the cautionary lessons of history and todayâs geopolitical realities. Almost nothing has gone according to Putinâs earlier plans: Ukraine rallied against his military, inflicting horrendous losses and making it clear that Russia will never be welcomed into the former Soviet republic, and the world has united against Putinâs government, inflicting an immediate economic toll that already poses the greatest threat to his ongoing leadership in two decades. Now Putin faces a dangerous question with destabilizing consequences for the West and the world beyond: How does he want to lose this war? What more of Russiaâs treasury, economy, and peopleâand, not least of all, his own political powerâis he willing to risk to either grind down Ukraine or preserve his hold on the country heâs led for nearly a quarter-century? Meanwhile, half a world away, Biden faces his own, fraught choiceâhow to punish and defeat Russia without risking a war heâs clearly chosen not to fight and hold the line on American aid in the face of popular and political pressure to escalate. For both presidents, the political calculations are informed by a half-century of geopolitical lessons reaching from the Cold War to Afghanistan to Libya. VLADIMIR PUTINâS WAR of choice in Ukraine caught nearly everyoneâincluding his own troopsâby surprise. The act seemed so irrational, so costly, and such a throwback to a previous era (tanks in European capitals?) that few imagined Putinâs build-up as much more than his normal saber-rattling. After all, it was clear to everyone, except perhaps Putin, that Ukraine was fundamentally differentâin size, geography, and geopoliticsâfrom previous targets in Chechnya and Georgia. Now that Putin has cast his lot in Ukraine, nearly every passing day seems to confirm that he has made an awful, hubristic, and perhaps even politically fatal mistake. Russian military losses are staggering: Leaked numbers appear to indicate as many as 9,800 killed and 16,000 wounded. That would be the equivalent of the US losing 12,000 to 15,000 soldiers in the multi-week 2003 invasion of Iraq, which actually saw just about 140 Americans killed. Ukrainian officials say a half-dozen generals and top Russian commanders have been killed in action, around a quarter of all the leaders it deployed to the fieldâwhile the US lost a single general in 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan and none in the Gulf War. Those human and material costs to Russia will only mount, and itâs apparent that the billions of dollars in âmodernizationâ spent on the Russian military have failed to deliver an intimidating force. Russiaâs military might will only grow weaker as it brings forward even less-prepared units. And the country has apparently turned to China for help with the most basic military supplies. The Ukrainian response has made it clear that any long-term attempt to occupy the country will come at an impossible price, both in terms of Russian casualties and ongoing financial costs. Russia simply does not possess a military force capable of subduing a resistance as strong as that put forward by Ukraineâs 43 million people. The American Enterprise Institute and the Institute for Study of War, the think tanks that have been providing the most thorough unclassified battle analysis available, offered an assessment over the weekend that âUkrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war,â adding, âthe initial Russian campaign to seize Ukraineâs capital and major cities and force regime change has failed.â At home, the Russian economy is unraveling at warp speed; Western sanctions and moves against almost every facet of the Russian economy were broader, faster, and more coordinated than anyone anticipatedâleast of all, apparently, Putin himself. Foreign airspace closed, banks unplugged, McDonaldâs locations shuttered. In a series of rapid moves, the Putin-backing billionaire oligarchs who have long crossed freely between Russia and polite society in capitals like London were uninvited. Videos are already circulating of barren Russian grocery stores and runs on basic supplies. In a few months, Russian planes will cease flying even domestically. The pain will grow by the day; the impact harder to hide from the civilian population with every passing hour. The broad economic devastation could hardly come at a weaker point for Putinâs homeland. Russia and Putin were already facing a bad set of cards. As Chinaâs economy soars and millions emerge from poverty to the middle class, Putinâs strategy for the last decade has focused on tearing down Western democracy because he understood his country couldnât compete. The Soviet Union was never the economic engine America once feared, and 30 years of kleptocratic rule has further weakened Russia. Its economy recently ranked around the eleventh-largest in the worldâabout the size of South Korea or Brazil, and not all that much larger than Spainâand less than a tenth the size of the US or China. And that was before crippling sanctions decimated its foreign currency reserves, upended the comfortable lives of its ruling oligarchs, and so excised the country from the world economy that its stock market has not reopened since the Ukraine invasion. Russia mishandled Covid, failed to develop a functional vaccine, and continues to face shrinking birth rates and an unhealthy, aging population. Last year, Russiaâs population of 140 million actually shrank by a million peopleâa dangerous and disruptive economic factor even without sanctions. Putinâs gamble in Ukraine has been the quick undoing of 30 years of economic liberalization and Western expansion inside Russia; his moves since, like seizing and nationalizing the hundreds of leased aircraft on Russian soil, all but guarantee that Western firms will never spend another dollar in Russia while Putin leads the country. Over the weekend, the UK already made it clear that there is no ânormalizationâ to come, even if Russia suddenly and uncharacteristically backs down. âTo try to renormalize relations with Putin after this, as we did in 2014, would be to make exactly the same mistake again, and that is why Putin must fail,â Prime Minister Boris Johnston said Saturday, calling the crisis a âturning point for the world.â Russiaâs own bright next generation is abandoning the nation in droves, fleeing abroad and taking their talents and entrepreneurship to new economies. For Putin, the Ukraine war is quickly becoming an existential fightâwhich increases the danger inherent in each step of Western escalation. âThere are a lot of things that can start the ball rolling toward a confrontation Putin doesnât want but might not know how to get out of. Heâs already proven he's a terrible strategist. We have to deal with that reality,â strategist Tom Nichols tweeted Monday. Bidenâs job, it increasingly appears, is to allow Putin the time and space to lose the war without giving him an excuse to escalate it into World War III. UNTIL A FEW weeks ago, Bidenâs presidency seemed to stand on the cusp of a new world eraâone that finally put the failed forays of Iraq and Afghanistan behind the US and allowed it to focus on the rising global competition with China, a pivot Bidenâs two most recent predecessors had tried and failed to make. For a decade, national security officials have warned that Russia was yesterdayâs battle and China todayâs. âRussia is a hurricane; China is climate change,â theyâve said. Now the West is facing the a world-upending hurricane. As Russian tanks breached the Ukrainian border, Bidenâa politician who came of age during the Cold War but has spent the last 20 years at the forefront of floundering conflicts from the global war on terrorâfinds himself confronting questions closer to those of 20th-century leaders like Dwight Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy than 21st-century predecessors like George W. Bush and Barack Obama. As Biden weighs how to calibrate Americaâs response and resists the charismaticâand desperateâpleas of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky for direct NATO involvement in the war, Biden faces one of the oddest conundrums of the office: Americans celebrate our wartime leaders and give little credit to those who avoid wars in the first place. Itâs the lesson Dwight Eisenhower tried hardest to teach his young successor in the midst of the Cold War. Few leaders in American history know modern war more intimately than Eisenhowerâboth how hard and costly it is to win one and how difficult it is to stay out of one. He understood procedures, organization, logistics, and the need for decisive decision-making in times of crisis. As president at the start of the Cold War, he sat in the White House and doodled as his own generalsâjunior pip-squeaks in his mind, men who had been young officers when he led the Normandy invasion in 1944ârecommended using nuclear weapons to settle now forgotten international crises: Kaesong, Quemoy, Matsu, Formosa, Berlin. At the end of his two-term presidency, asked what he was most proud of, he didnât hesitate: âWe kept the peace,â he said. âPeople asked how it happened. By God, it didnât just happenâIâll tell you that.â Part of Eisenhowerâs insistence on maintaining peace was his knowledge that the laws of physics apply to war, too: Objects in motion stay in motion. War has a natural momentum; itâs easy to start, easy to escalate, and hard to turn off. And once itâs underway, commanders use the weapons at hand. Facing defeat, theyâre unlikely to leave even extreme weapons unused if theyâre available. Most worrying of all is the fact that wartime leaders tend to dramatically misunderstand the circumstances they face, increasing the risks of miscalculation or accidental escalation. Thatâs why the most important thing is not getting into a superpower war in the first place. Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, one of the more remarkable human achievements remains that across two dozen US, Soviet, and Russian leaders, the worldâs first two superpowers have never directly gone to war. The Cold War stayed cold. One of the key lessons of the Cold War was that those leaders came much closer to war than they realized at multiple pointsâand knew surprisingly less than they thought in the middle of those crises. The Cuban Missile Crisis, which today is remembered as the moment when the superpowers came âeyeball to eyeballâ and faced nuclear Armageddon, is filled with close calls and missing intelligence pieces that have only become clear with time. In one, US Navy ships enforcing the blockade on Soviet ships dropped harmless explosives in an attempt to force a Soviet submarine to the surface. But unbeknownst to the US, the sub captain was armed with a nuclear-tipped torpedo and was unaware of the quarantine line or the surfacing procedures that the US Navy had transmitted to the Soviet government. He initially thought he was under attack and came close to arming and firing his ultimate weapon. In another near miss, John F. Kennedy resisted the call from his own generals to invade Cubaâa push informed by the militaryâs sense that they could easily take the Caribbean island and overrun the Soviet positions. It took 40 years for the US government to realize that 162 tactical nuclear weapons had been deployed to Cuban soil with Soviet troops instructed to use them if they faced a US invasion. Throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy tried desperately to hold on to events as they spiraled. At the time, Barbara Tuchmanâs new history of World War I was on the bestseller lists, famous for its portrayal of how the great powers of Europe had gambled, stumbled, and misread their way into the âWar to End All Wars.â Kennedy, a student of history, was haunted throughout the Cuban crisis by Tuchmanâs narrative and, in particular, a conversation between two German leaders after the war began. One, a former German chancellor, asked the current chancellor, âHow did it all happen?â The latter, who had led his nation into war, replied, âAh, if only one knew.â Amid the darkest moments of the crisis, JFK confided in his brother Robert F. Kennedy that he wanted to avoid an account comparable to The Missiles of October being written about him. As President Kennedy recalled later, âIf this planet is ever ravaged by nuclear war, if 300 million Americans, Russians, and Europeans are wiped out by a 60-minute nuclear exchange, if the survivors of that devastation can then endure the fire, poison, chaos, and catastrophe, I do not want one of those survivors to ask another, âHow did it all happen?â and to receive the incredible reply, âAh, if only one knew.ââ Every action from Biden thus far seems calibrated to Eisenhowerâs Cold War promise and Jack Kennedyâs caution: When dealing with a nuclear-armed foe, it is imperative to keep events from spiraling out of control. It was a dance Bidenâs predecessors kept at straight through the fall of the Berlin Wall. Managing the dissolution of the Soviet Union was a feat of extraordinary delicacy; as Madeleine Albright once phrased it, the West had âto manage the devolution of Russia from an imperial to a normal nation.â Another aide phrased it bluntly: âRussia was too big and too nuclear to fail.â It still is. The canon of books on the end of the Cold Warâincluding Strobe Talbott and Michael Beschlossâs classic, At the Highest Levels, and the brand-new book by M.E. Sarotte about NATO expansion, Not One Inchâunderscore how hard it was to keep the peace even at the end, to not antagonize Soviet and Russian hard-liners, and to not risk unraveling the peaceful withdrawal of Soviet forces from Eastern Europe. Robert Gates, in his first memoir of the Cold War, outlines how the US placed economic pressure on the Soviet Union while only engaging militarily through proxies, like arming the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, and through battles with developing nations that overextended the Soviet Union while never threatening the central leadership directly. As he watched the Iron Curtain collapse and the Berlin Wall fall, President George H. W. Bush was chastised by the media for not appearing celebratory enough. âIâm not going to dance on the wall,â he said. Behind closed doors, Bushâs team weighed the right response, and Talbott and Beschloss concluded that they had a single overarching concern: âThe US must not try to make Gorbachevâs life any more difficult than it already was.â Condoleezza Rice, one of primary foreign policy aides at the time, phrased it more colorfully: âHeâs afraid to light a match in a gas-filled room.â That victory, which has held for three decades after the end of the Soviet Union, has rarely seemed as tenuous as it does with the Russia-Ukraine War entering a particularly dangerous new phase and Putin contemplating the unraveling of his grandest ambitions. âThe prospect of nuclear war is now back within the realm of possibility,â UN secretary general AntĂłnio Guterres warned last week. Today, Biden faces Bushâs dilemma: how to not light a match in a gas-filled room. The US is clearly calibrating its response to avoid anything that would give Putin an excuse to launch a wider war against NATO or drag the alliance directly into the conflict. AS THE WESTERN responses unify, Putin faces the opposite dilemma: He is increasingly alone. Putin biographer Ben Judah recently called Putin âthe most isolated Russian leader since Stalin,â cut off from the world even more in recent years by his apparent paranoia about Covid, exemplified in bizarre photos of him in socially distanced meetings with aides seated at the other end of long tables. Until a few months ago, Putin was effectively on a path toward presidency for life, the now 69-year-oldâs two-decade rule a finely calibrated descent into authoritarianism. His steady corruption of Russiaâs institutions has spread as he faces a mounting series of challenges at home and abroad, trying to balance the needs of the wealthy elites who surround and support him while ensuring that no internal or external critic can grow powerful enough to unseat him. The growing list of his regimeâs crimes are the main reason he canât trust any others in powerâhe canât guarantee that a successor wonât choose to prosecute or execute him. Added to that is the fact that his war crimes in Ukraine appear so monstrous and enormous that heâll likely be forever ostracized by the West. He has watched, warily, as the US moved to overthrow and kill two of the few other dictators in his worldâs worst clubâSaddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafiâand he knows that dictators rarely retire peaceably. Putin may realize by now that he will likely never leave Russian soil again. His war is already lost; Ukraine, which he has long seen as a step toward rebuilding Russia into the great imperial power it once was, will never be his. The challenge increasingly appears to be how to lose the war without sacrificing his hold on power. He knows that any sign of weakness or defeat might very well be his political undoing, but his militaryâs ability to remain functioning and his countryâs economyâs future are likely measured in weeks more than months. Before an impending collapse, can he find a way to declare victory, get out, and avoid a coup? He has few friends left to help; his circle of loyalists has shrunk considerably. Heâs already begun hunting at home for âscum and traitorsâ who are undermining his war, senior intelligence officers are reportedly under house arrest, and heâs continuing to squelch any domestic political dissent while warning oligarchs to remain loyal. It's clear he knows his long-running playbook has now failed him. Since the beginning of his political rise, Putin has looked to foreign threats and military campaigns to boost his popularity and secure his rule at home. Soon after coming to power, he launched the grim Second Chechen War. Russia initiated the invasion in response to a string of apartment building bombings in Moscow and elsewhere in September 1999 that killed 243 Russians and injured 1,700, bombings that most now believe the Russian FSB security services carried out themselves, perhaps even with the explicit permission of Putin. The war initially delivered political capital, and Putinâs popularity soared. One of the most remarkable passages in M.E. Sarotteâs new book, Not One Inch, about the delicate politics of NATO expansion in the 1990s, comes from records she found in the State Department archives of a December 1999 conversation in which Nursultan Nazarbayevâthen dictator of neighboring Kazakhstan, whose 30-year brutal rule coincidentally ended just a few weeks agoâtold President Bill Clinton that Putin âhad nothing going for him besides the Chechen War.â As Nazarbayev recognized even then, âHe has no charisma, no foreign policy experience, no economic policy of his own. He just has the warâa fight with his own people.â In many ways, Nazabayevâs words ring even more true now. Putinâs been shown to be an empty strategist; whatever economic success he may have had is in shambles, and the monetary and human costs of his war will be felt more acutely at home by the day. Domestic political dissent, never easy in his Russia, may well increase in temperature. What clearly worries the West is that Putinâs dwindling options increase the chances of ever-worsening outcomes. The Russian military appears unable to defeat the Ukrainian military, but it is still able to pound civilians, massacre children, and level cities. Western governments are warning now about the possibility that Putin will open up new frontsâchemical or biological weapons or, as Biden warned on Monday, cyberattacks against the US. And then thereâs the nuclear question. Since his earliest forays into Ukraine, in 2014, Putinâs government has warned that it still believes in the use of nuclear weapons âwhen the existence of the state itself is threatened.â Today, Bidenâs balancing act is understanding the extent to which Putin views himself as inseparable from the state. As this war becomes an existential threat to Putin, will it bring forth even greater tragedy? Can Biden navigate a path to help Putin lose without destroying the world? ++++++++++++
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