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Saturday, March 26, 2022 10:17 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah. Jaynez is definitely drinking the Kool Aid here.

Weird.

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Monday, April 25, 2022 5:39 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


'Ukrainian ATGM Team Knocks Out T-72'
https://funker530.com/video/ukrainian-atgm-team-knocks-out-t-72/

Some of the Alt-Right Cheer for Putin?

Vox Day aka Theodore Robert Beale is an American Rightwing Conservative activist, writer, musician, publisher, and video game designer. He has been described as a white radical, offensive, a misogynist, and part of the alt-right.

African-American writer N. K. Jemisin, during her delivery of the Guest of Honour speech at 2013 Continuum in Australia, stated that 10% of the SFWA membership voted for Beale in his bid for the SFWA presidential position and called him "a self-described misogynist, racist, anti-Semite, and a few other flavors of asshole" and asserted that silence about these issues was the same as enabling them

Beale describes himself as a Christian nationalist. He has been described as an alt-right personality by Wired, and a leader of the alt-right by Business Insider. In September 2018, Beale announced Comicsgate Comics as a "100% SJW-free" comic book publishing imprint.

https://voxday.net/2022/04/23/southern-ukraine-is-with-russia/


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by SignyM:


Why do you believe them?


Jaynez is definitely drinking the Kool Aid here.




Another Russian general killed amid invasion

more ships destroyed

They tried to cover truth for a while
and yet even now Russia now admits claims its Moskva ship has sunk!

Could it be that Russians should consider keeping their general officers away from the front line, before they no longer have any left to send into Ukraine.

The Moskva was deployed in military conflicts in Georgia (2008), Crimea (2014), and Syria (2015). Beginning in February 2022, it led the naval assault during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, until its sinking in April 2022

The ship is the largest warship by tonnage to be sunk in wartime since the end of World War II.

Ukrainian sources reported that some of Moskva's crew were killed, including First Rank Captain Anton Kuprin (age 43), the ship's commanding officer, at the time of the explosion. A senior US official said the government also believed there had been casualties.

Enviornmental satellite photos, film on news media stations and shipping radar marine traffic perhaps forced Russians to admit their ships was sunk?

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Monday, April 25, 2022 5:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Some of the Alt-Right Cheer for Putin?

Vox Day aka Theodore Robert Beale is an American Rightwing Conservative activist, writer, musician, publisher, and video game designer. He has been described as a white radical, offensive, a misogynist, and part of the alt-right.

African-American writer N. K. Jemisin, during her delivery of the Guest of Honour speech at 2013 Continuum in Australia, stated that 10% of the SFWA membership voted for Beale in his bid for the SFWA presidential position and called him "a self-described misogynist, racist, anti-Semite, and a few other flavors of asshole" and asserted that silence about these issues was the same as enabling them

Beale describes himself as a Christian nationalist. He has been described as an alt-right personality by Wired, and a leader of the alt-right by Business Insider. In September 2018, Beale announced Comicsgate Comics as a "100% SJW-free" comic book publishing imprint.

https://voxday.net/2022/04/23/southern-ukraine-is-with-russia/
But what does your link have to do with Beale? He didn't author the article, and I
ve seen much the same from sites that aren't alt-right in ANY sense.

Are you trying to smear Russia with charges of being supported by "white racists"? Or trying to smear alt-right with charges of being "pro-Russian"?

FWIW, the article is true. Many Ukies, particularly in the south and east, were Russian-speaking to begin with, were the overwhelming source of support for Yanukovich, and voted (as they did in Crimea, Mariupol, Donetsk and Lugansk) to separate from Kiev. I pointed out, back in 2014, there there was a significant minority - at least 35% of the population- who would never accept an anti-Russian government. Support for Russia in Ukraine is genuine, especialy since Kiev decided to unleash its Nazis on the Russian-speaking population. Expect the same in Transistria.

So there you have it.

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Monday, April 25, 2022 6:02 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


On top of a pile of rubble and ash there will be no winners?


Druzhba explosion: Russian oil depot engulfed in flames - Kremlin claims Ukraine attack
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1600540/Druzhba-explosion-Russian
-oil-depot-ukraine-news-russia-latest-ont
Giant inferno at Russian oil storage amid suspicion of strike by Ukraine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10749921/Giant-inferno-Russia
n-oil-storage-amid-suspicion-strike-Ukraine.html?ito=rss-flipboard

Ukraine war: Russia 'failing in its war aims' and Ukraine will be around 'a lot longer than Putin', US secretary of state says
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-us-secretary-of-state-antony-bl
inken-visits-kyiv-to-meet-volodymyr-zelenskyy-12597776

and Ukraine itself?

Is diplomatic time running out? Maybe the honey moon war business of supplying cash and weapons will soon be over??

Ukraine says sorry to Japan for comparing Emperor Hirohito to Hitler on Twitter
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3175402/ukraine-says-
sorry-japan-comparing-emperor-hirohito-hitler
Ukraine 'disappointed' as Austria says besieged nation shouldn't be offered EU membership
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-25/austria-ukraine-eu-membership/1
01012486
Anger in Japan as Ukraine Links Emperor Hirohito to Adolf Hitler
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/ukraine-apologizes-
to-japan-for-linking-former-emperor-to-hitler

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But what does your link have to do with Beale?



He might not cheer for Putin here but without doubt he is part of this fringe right movement, some are Christain Apocalypse prepper types, some I see are conspiracy Piratenews types and some I see some of them do cheer Putin, I'm not sure what it is that got people super angry and doom like, people have got so disenfranchised, hateful of their own government that these people now believe Putin will be the Savior of White Christian Civilization?

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Monday, April 25, 2022 9:04 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I pointed out, back in 2014, there there was a significant minority - at least 35% of the population- who would never accept an anti-Russian government. Support for Russia in Ukraine is genuine, especialy since Kiev decided to unleash its Nazis on the Russian-speaking population. Expect the same in Transistria.

So there you have it.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Forensic doctors carrying out postmortem examinations on bodies in mass graves north of Kyiv say they have found evidence some women were raped before being killed by Russian forces, Lorenzo Tondo and Isobel Koshiw report.

“We already have a few cases which suggest that these women had been raped before being shot to death,” said Vladyslav Pirovskyi, a Ukrainian forensic doctor who with a team of coroners has carried out dozens of autopsies on residents from Bucha, Irpin and Borodianka who died during Russia’s month-long occupation of the area.

“We can’t give more details as my colleagues are still collecting the data and we still have hundreds of bodies to examine,” he said.

Pirovskyi’s team has been examining about 15 bodies a day, many of them mutilated. “There are many burnt bodies, and heavily disfigured bodies that are just impossible to identify,” he said. “The face could be smashed into pieces, you can’t put it back together, sometimes there’s no head at all.”

He said the bodies of some women they had examined showed signs that the victims had been killed by automatic gunfire, with upwards of six bullet holes in their backs.

Oleh Tkalenko, a senior prosecutor for the Kyiv region, said details of alleged rapes had been forwarded to his office, which is investigating circumstances such as locations and the ages of victims.

“Rape cases are a very delicate and sensitive matter,” Tkalenko said. “Forensic doctors have a specific task of checking the genitalia of female victims and looking for signs of rape.”

A foreign coroner working north of Kyiv who asked to remain anonymous said some bodies “are in such bad shape that it is not easy to find signs of rapes and sexual abuses. But we are collecting evidence in a few cases of women we believe had been raped before being murdered.”

Following the withdrawal of Russian troops from towns and suburbs around the capital, dozens of women have told police, the media and human rights organisations about atrocities they say they suffered at the hands of Russian soldiers. Investigators have heard testimony of gang-rapes, assaults taking place at gunpoint and rapes committed in front of children.

Ukraine’s human rights commissioner, Lyudmila Denisova, has officially documented the cases of 25 women who were kept in a basement and systematically raped in Bucha, a town north of Kyiv now synonymous with Russian war crimes. Authorities have warned those cases could be the tip of the iceberg and accused Russian troops of using rape as an instrument of war.

Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said in a statement last week that hundreds of women had been raped by Russian soldiers. Ukrainian authorities have declined to give exact figures or details about where the rapes occurred or the ages of the victims.

Russia has repeatedly denied targeting civilians during the war even as evidence to the contrary has mounted.

Tkalenko said women were reluctant to file police reports about acts of sexual violence because they believed the perpetrators would not be caught. Instead, they were contacting psychologists and doctors for help.

“Psychologists work with the rape victims and then with detectives,” Tkalenko said. “Women are very reserved, and the information on rape cases is more closed.”

Much of the evidence collected by Ukrainian prosecutors will soon be forwarded to the international criminal court (ICC), which has launched an investigation into possible war crimes and crimes against humanity in Ukraine.

One volunteer who travelled into liberated areas north of Kyiv on 1 April to help evacuate residents said they encountered three naked women who emerged from houses and basements. One had been badly beaten and was taken away by ambulance, they said. The volunteer said they also witnessed about 10 other women giving statements to police about being raped.

“What usually happens is that rape victims initially want to tell their story, but then they go away and it isn’t until months later that they come back to talk,” the person said.

Tkalenko says that when prosecutors hear about rape cases they approach victims individually and try to see if they will file a statement. “People are ashamed to talk about rape,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/25/evidence-ukraine-women-r
aped-before-being-killed-say-doctors-russia-war
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I pointed out, back in 2014, there there was a significant minority - at least 35% of the population- who would never accept an anti-Russian government. Support for Russia in Ukraine is genuine, especialy since Kiev decided to unleash its Nazis on the Russian-speaking population. Expect the same in Transistria.

So there you have it.
So there you have it, Signym.

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Monday, April 25, 2022 9:21 AM

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Monday, April 25, 2022 9:59 AM

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No one cares.
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You actually pointed out the very thing that makes a Trump voter: "you don't care". You could extend that to "you aren't careful" because Trump voters aren't careful with their health, with their jobs, etc. With time, the results are obvious, which makes Trump voters angry when the government doesn't save them from their carelessness. 6ix, to show what I mean, smoke another pack of cigarettes. It won't do much more harm compared to the thousands you have already smoked, but in time you will learn the cost of your carelessness. I have seen it happen to other Trump voters. It will happen to you.

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Monday, April 25, 2022 8:32 PM

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Ukraine and the Words That Lead to Mass Murder

First comes the dehumanization. Then comes the killing.

In the terrible winter of 1932–33, brigades of Communist Party activists went house to house in the Ukrainian countryside, looking for food. The brigades were from Moscow, Kyiv, and Kharkiv, as well as villages down the road. They dug up gardens, broke open walls, and used long rods to poke up chimneys, searching for hidden grain. They watched for smoke coming from chimneys, because that might mean a family had hidden flour and was baking bread. They led away farm animals and confiscated tomato seedlings. After they left, Ukrainian peasants, deprived of food, ate rats, frogs, and boiled grass. They gnawed on tree bark and leather. Many resorted to cannibalism to stay alive. Some 4 million died of starvation.

At the time, the activists felt no guilt. Soviet propaganda had repeatedly told them that supposedly wealthy peasants, whom they called kulaks, were saboteurs and enemies—rich, stubborn landowners who were preventing the Soviet proletariat from achieving the utopia that its leaders had promised. The kulaks should be swept away, crushed like parasites or flies. Their food should be given to the workers in the cities, who deserved it more than they did. Years later, the Ukrainian-born Soviet defector Viktor Kravchenko wrote about what it was like to be part of one of those brigades. “To spare yourself mental agony you veil unpleasant truths from view by half-closing your eyes—and your mind,” he explained. “You make panicky excuses and shrug off knowledge with words like exaggeration and hysteria.”

He also described how political jargon and euphemisms helped camouflage the reality of what they were doing. His team spoke of the “peasant front” and the “kulak menace,” “village socialism” and “class resistance,” to avoid giving humanity to the people whose food they were stealing. Lev Kopelev, another Soviet writer who as a young man had served in an activist brigade in the countryside (later he spent years in the Gulag), had very similar reflections. He too had found that clichés and ideological language helped him hide what he was doing, even from himself:

I persuaded myself, explained to myself. I mustn’t give in to debilitating pity. We were realizing historical necessity. We were performing our revolutionary duty. We were obtaining grain for the socialist fatherland. For the five-year plan.

There was no need to feel sympathy for the peasants. They did not deserve to exist. Their rural riches would soon be the property of all.

But the kulaks were not rich; they were starving. The countryside was not wealthy; it was a wasteland.

Continue reading at https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2022/06/ukraine-mass-murder-hate-speech-soviet/629629/

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Monday, April 25, 2022 9:04 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No one cares.
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You actually pointed out the very thing that makes a Trump voter: "you don't care". You could extend that to "you aren't careful" because Trump voters aren't careful with their health, with their jobs, etc. With time, the results are obvious, which makes Trump voters angry when the government doesn't save them from their carelessness. 6ix, to show what I mean, smoke another pack of cigarettes. It won't do much more harm compared to the thousands you have already smoked, but in time you will learn the cost of your carelessness. I have seen it happen to other Trump voters. It will happen to you.




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Monday, April 25, 2022 10:20 PM

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While not every use of genocidal hate speech leads to genocide, all genocides have been preceded by genocidal hate speech. The modern Russian propaganda state turned out to be the ideal vehicle both for carrying out mass murder and for hiding it from the public. The gray apparatchiks, FSB operatives, and well-coiffed anchorwomen who organize and conduct the national conversation had for years been preparing their compatriots to feel no pity for Ukraine.

They succeeded. From the first days of the war, it was evident that the Russian military had planned in advance for many civilians, perhaps millions, to be killed, wounded, or displaced from their homes in Ukraine. Other assaults on cities throughout history—Dresden, Coventry, Hiroshima, Nagasaki—took place only after years of terrible conflict. By contrast, systematic bombardment of civilians in Ukraine began only days into an unprovoked invasion. In the first week of the war, Russian missiles and artillery targeted apartment blocks, hospitals, and schools. As Russians occupied Ukrainian cities and towns, they kidnapped or murdered mayors, local councilors, even a museum director from Melitopol, spraying bullets and terror randomly on everyone else. When the Ukrainian army recaptured Bucha, to the north of Kyiv, it found corpses with their arms tied behind their backs, lying in the road. When I was there in mid-April, I saw others that had been dumped into a mass grave. In the first three weeks of the war alone, Human Rights Watch documented cases of summary execution, rape, and the mass looting of civilian property.

Mariupol, a mostly Russian-speaking city the size of Miami, was subjected to almost total devastation. In a powerful interview in late March, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, noted that in previous European conflicts, occupiers hadn’t destroyed everything, because they themselves needed somewhere to cook, eat, wash; during the Nazi occupation, he said, “movie theaters were operating in France.” But Mariupol was different: “Everything is burned out.” Ninety percent of the buildings were destroyed within just a few weeks.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2022/06/ukraine-mass-murder-hate-speech-soviet/629629/

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Monday, April 25, 2022 11:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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While not every use of genocidal hate speech leads to genocide, all genocides have been preceded by genocidal hate speech.


Oh yeah? Prove it.

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At the height of the fighting, civilians were still trapped inside the city, with no access to food, water, power, heat, or medicine. Men, women, and children died of starvation and dehydration. Those who tried to escape were fired upon. Outsiders who tried to bring in supplies were fired upon as well. The bodies of the dead lay in the street for many days.

Yet even as these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people. As in the past, the use of jargon helped. This was not an invasion; it was a “special military operation.” This was not a mass murder of Ukrainians; it was “protection” for the inhabitants of the eastern-Ukrainian territories. This was not genocide; it was defense against “genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime.” The dehumanization of the Ukrainians was completed in early April, when RIA Novosti, a state-run website, published an article arguing that the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine would require the “liquidation” of the Ukrainian leadership, and even the erasure of the very name of Ukraine, because to be Ukrainian was to be a Nazi: “Ukrainianism is an artificial anti-Russian construct, which does not have any civilizational content of its own, and is a subordinate element of a foreign and alien civilization.” The existential threat was made clear on the eve of the war, when Putin reprised a decade’s worth of propaganda about the perfidious West, using language familiar to Russians: “They sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature.”

For anyone who might have seen photographs of Mariupol, explanations were provided. On March 23, Russian television did broadcast film of the city’s ruins — drone footage from CNN. But rather than take responsibility, they blamed the Ukrainians. One television anchorwoman, sounding sad, described the scene as “a horrifying picture. Ukrainian nationalists, as they retreat, are trying to leave no stone unturned.” The Russian Defense Ministry actually accused the Azov battalion, a famously radical Ukrainian fighting force, of blowing up the Mariupol theater, where hundreds of families with children had been sheltering. Why would über-patriotic Ukrainian forces deliberately kill Ukrainian children? That wasn’t explained — but then, nothing is ever explained. And if nothing can be known for certain, then no one can be blamed. Maybe Ukrainian “nationalists” destroyed Mariupol. Maybe not. No clear conclusions can be drawn, and no one can be held accountable.

Few feel remorse. Published recordings of telephone calls between Russian soldiers and their families—they are using ordinary SIM cards, so it’s easy to listen to them—are full of contempt for Ukrainians. “I shot the car,” one soldier tells a woman, perhaps his wife or sister, in one of the calls. “Shoot the motherfuckers,” she responds, “as long as it’s not you. Fuck them. Fucking drug addicts and Nazis.” They talk about stealing television sets, drinking cognac, and shooting people in forests. They show no concern about casualties, not even their own. Radio communications between the Russian soldiers attacking civilians in Bucha were just as cold-blooded.

All of this — the indifference to violence, the amoral nonchalance about mass murder, even the disdain for the lives of Russian soldiers — is familiar to anyone who knows Soviet history. But Russian citizens and Russian soldiers either don’t know that history or don’t care about it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2022/06/ukraine-mass-murder-hate-speech-soviet/629629/

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah...

None of that happened.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:30 AM

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Putin gets what he didn't want: Ukraine army closer to West

WASHINGTON (AP) — The longer Ukraine's army fends off the invading Russians, the more it absorbs the advantages of Western weaponry and training — exactly the transformation President Vladimir Putin wanted to prevent by invading in the first place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-gets-what-he-didn-t-want-uk
raine-army-closer-to-west/ar-AAWAXHh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=29bf3ebca96648dcb78f1ae69d1a909b


Tisk tisk comrade. I told you so signym. I told you so.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You've told nothing worthwhile to anybody, Ted.



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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:37 AM

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You've told nothing worthwhile to anybody, Ted.
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Put down the bottle, get your rotten teeth fixed and see a psychiatrist.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 10:11 AM

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Haven't had a drink i almost 5 years and 5 months.

My teeth were fixed over two years ago.

I have no need to see a psychiatrist.


Things are going my way buddy.

You behave no different 15 months into a Democrat ran country than you did 2 years into Trump's Presidency. You should probably be the one looking up numbers for a psychiatrist. Particularly after November 9th when Democrats lose power for the rest of our lives.

Although I'd reckon you'd have to find a REALLY good one since they won't be left with much to work with.



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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 11:30 AM

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Fléchettes found in Bucha victims: evidence of Russian war crimes continues to grow

Forensic doctors say that civilians killed by Russians were found with metal arrows (fléchettes) embedded in their heads.

Dr. Vladyslave Pirovskyi, a Ukrainian forensic doctor, told The Guardian, “We found several really thin, nail-like objects in the bodies of men and women, and so did others of my colleagues...The majority of these bodies come from the Bucha-Irpin region.”

Shells are packed with up to 8,000 fléchettes and explode in a conical pattern, at times dispersing across an area as large as three football fields wide. Using imprecise lethal weapons in highly populated civilian areas is considered a war crime as it violates humanitarian law.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fl%C3%A9chettes-found-in-bucha-vi
ctims-evidence-of-russian-war-crimes-continues-to-grow/ss-AAWB9I7

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flechette#Air-dropped


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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 1:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yeah, like the Russians did that.

Bullshit.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 1:32 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Putin gets what he didn't want: Ukraine army closer to West

WASHINGTON (AP) — The longer Ukraine's army fends off the invading Russians,
the more it will be destroyed.



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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 1:33 PM

SIGNYM

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You guys seem to have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 1:54 PM

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You guys seem to have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.

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Says comrade fecal matter. You being the lowest of the low is recorded here in these threads shit head. And that can't be changed.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:18 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.

Bullshit.



They've done much, much worse. Face it, SIGTOOL, you're defending a mass murderer, mass rapist, mass mutilator. Of men and women AND young girls and boys. But, their "just Ukies" right? Hell isn't hot enough for that fcker.

https://time.com/6168330/rape-war-crime-russia-ukraine/

Ukrainians Are Speaking Up About Rape as a War Crime to Ensure the World Holds Russia Accountable

"Rape as a weapon of war may date to the dawn of conflict. But in Ukraine, female lawmakers are waging a campaign to turn sexual violence by Russian soldiers against the invaders.

“No one thought that such cruelties and atrocities could happen in the middle of Europe,” says Lesia Vasylenko, a Ukrainian Member of Parliament who in March traveled from Kyiv to London, where she and three other female lawmakers urged Prime Minister Boris Johnson to stop U.K. trade with Russia on the grounds that it was funding the rape of their countrywomen. A few weeks later, they took their message to Paris, raising the same issue with President Emmanuel Macron. On April 21, they will head to Brussels, seat of the European Union.

“It’s important that people do not avert their eyes from this crime,” says Vasylenko.

When Russian troops retreated from areas around Kyiv on April 1, official reports of sexual violence, which had trickled in during the five weeks after the invasion, suddenly took the shape of a systemic, coordinated campaign of sexual violence. Women and girls were the main target, but victims spanned old and young, male and female.

Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys, and Ukrainian men and boys have been sexually assaulted in other incidents. A group of Ukrainian women POWs had their heads shaved in Russian captivity, where they were also stripped naked and forced to squat.

Human rights monitors say the number of additional cases extend into the scores, stoking fears for Ukrainians both still under Russian control or facing the prospect of becoming so, as Moscow launches a massive assault in the country’s east.

“These sex crimes…are a weapon of war in order to humiliate, subjugate, terrorize and force people to flee the territory,” says Marta Havryshko, Research Associate in contemporary history at the I. Krypiakevych Institute of Ukrainian Studies and a URIS Fellow at Basel University. “Russian soldiers are trying to send a signal to the whole community: we are the winners, you are weak, we will destroy you, so you better give up your struggle for independence.”

The Ukrainian campaign reflects the evolution of outrage. Rape was first recognized as a war crime in 1919, but many wars and decades passed before the first prosecution of rape as a war crime took place, against a Rwandan politician in 1998. The U.N.’s first prosecution was for the Former Yugoslavia, when Serbian forces maintained “rape camps” as what judges deemed “an instrument of terror.”

In Kyiv, the current effort for justice shows not only advances by women—Ukraine currently has the largest number of female lawmakers in its history, several of whom are raising awareness about wartime rape—but also of the rising awareness that robs sexual violence of the stigma its perpetrators intend. As the lawmakers press the case for prosecution in the capitals of Europe, viral posts on Ukrainian social media—from a gynecologist, a lawyer, even a popular TV host—implore fellow Ukrainian women to come forward with evidence of sexual violence committed by Russian troops.

Technology also helps. A war broadcast 24/7 over social media feeds not only hastens the documentation of other war crimes; it also makes it harder for the Kremlin to deny sexual violence. Images of the dumped naked bodies of women and children, as well as the bloodied thighs of dead men with their hands tied behind their backs, are indelible.

There are signs the world is beginning to listen.

In the United Kingdom, which has a track record of documenting sexual violence in conflict, from Syria to Iraq to Somalia and South Sudan, Ukraine’s mass rapes have reignited calls for a permanent, independent, international body to investigate and prosecute rape as a war crime.

“If we’re going to make a meaningful dent in the calculated and planned use of sexual violence in war then we need to have a proper, separate individual body,” says British MP Alicia Kearns, who organized for the Ukrainian lawmakers to visit London. “I think it would be transformative.” The effort is backed in the House of Lords by Arminka Helic from the House of Lords, who fled Bosnia as a refugee in the 1990s and helped set up a landmark initiative by the UK on preventing sexual violence in conflict a decade ago, with then-Foreign Secretary William Hague and Angelina Jolie, a U.N. Special Refugees Envoy.

Kearns describes how such a body—with a member-state setup, headquartered in London or the Netherlands, which is already home to the International Criminal Court at the Hague—might function in a warzone. At the beginning of a conflict, protective measures would be put in place and experts immediately deployed to help the local prosecutor’s office collect evidence to prosecute the “low level and middle-ranking commanders who are the ones ordering their men to commit rape.”

The goal is to gather evidence contemporaneously. What usually happens now, Kearns says, is a scramble for evidence when the “conflict finally resolves and by then, quelle surprise, it’s too late.”

A step toward the new body came April 13 with the Murad Code, guidelines for conduct focused on gathering information about sexual violence in conflict. Launched by the U.K. and Nobel Laureate Nadia Murad, the Yazidi campaigner and former ISIS captive, it aims to set a gold standard for collecting evidence from survivors and witnesses. It was introduced as Murad spoke to the United Nations Security Council last week about the need to develop a plan addressing the sexual violence in Ukraine. The U.N. said its human rights monitors have been seeking to verify allegations of rape and sexual violence.

Meanwhile, Ukraine’s prosecutor general Iryna Venediktova—who in 2020 became the first woman to hold this position—has consulted with Beth Van Schaak, the U.S. Ambassador-at-Large for Global Criminal Justice, on how to work with Ukrainian prosecutors and investigators on cases of sexual violence. A spokesperson for the State Department told TIME the U.S. included rape and other gender-based violence in its consideration of war crimes.

Ukraine's Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova (C) and Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Karim Khan (R), visit a mass grave on the grounds of the Church of Saint Andrew in Bucha on April 13 Fadel Senna—AFP/Getty Images
Russia denies allegations of rape by its soldiers in Ukraine. “It’s a lie,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters at the end of March. A week later, Russia’s chief propagandist Vladimir Soloviev held a discussion with five other men on state TV, where they dismissed the accusations of rape as a “British psyops”.

But Kateryna Busol, a Ukrainian lawyer specializing in international human rights, says Russian soldiers received the encouragement to rape from the very top. She noted that at a news conference with Macron on Feb. 7, Putin cast aside Ukraine’s objections with a ditty about rape from a Soviet-era punk song: “Like it or don’t like it, it’s your duty, my beauty.”

“It was both chilling and outrageous to me that a president who’s also the commander of the armed forces would so easily make a rape joke…. It’s enabling the troops on the ground,” says Busol, an Academy Associate at Chatham House’s Russia and Eurasia Program in London.

It would not be the first time Putin has joked about rape, or made degrading comments about women. In recent years, he has put down women for menstruating, and boasted his country’s prostitutes are the best in the world. In 2017, he decriminalized domestic violence. (That same year, Ukraine, which has some of Europe’s highest rates of domestic violence, went in the opposite direction and outlawed it).

And while Ukraine has been caught unawares by the scale of sexual violence in the war, it is slowly moving towards greater gender equality, says Sasha Kantser, external affairs manager for Feminist Workshop, an NGO based in Lviv in western Ukraine that provides women and men in the occupied territories with information about everything from emergency contraception to sexual health.

“Women are being encouraged by society to talk about the sexual violence they’ve experienced because that makes the Russian side accountable,” she says. “And people are responding as humans… This is partly an achievement.”"

Might as well include "Russia" as a Putin rape victim.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:27 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.

Bullshit.
As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.

As in the past, the use of jargon helped.

1. This was not an invasion; it was a “special military operation.”

2. This was not a mass murder of Ukrainians; it was “protection” for the inhabitants of the eastern-Ukrainian territories.

3. This was not genocide; it was defense against “genocide perpetrated by the Kyiv regime.”

4. The dehumanization of the Ukrainians was completed in early April, when RIA Novosti, a state-run website, published an article arguing that the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine would require the “liquidation” of the Ukrainian leadership, and even the erasure of the very name of Ukraine, because to be Ukrainian was to be a Nazi:

5. “Ukrainianism is an artificial anti-Russian construct, which does not have any civilizational content of its own, and is a subordinate element of a foreign and alien civilization.”

6. The existential threat was made clear on the eve of the war, when Putin reprised a decade’s worth of propaganda about the perfidious West, using language familiar to Russians: “They sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature.”

The modern Russian propaganda state turned out to be the ideal vehicle both for carrying out mass murder and for hiding it from the public. The gray apparatchiks, FSB operatives, and well-coiffed anchorwomen who organize and conduct the national conversation had for years been preparing their compatriots to feel no pity for Ukraine.

They succeeded. From the first days of the war, it was evident that the Russian military had planned in advance for many civilians, perhaps millions, to be killed, wounded, or displaced from their homes in Ukraine. Other assaults on cities throughout history—Dresden, Coventry, Hiroshima, Nagasaki—took place only after years of terrible conflict. By contrast, systematic bombardment of civilians in Ukraine began only days into an unprovoked invasion. In the first week of the war, Russian missiles and artillery targeted apartment blocks, hospitals, and schools. As Russians occupied Ukrainian cities and towns, they kidnapped or murdered mayors, local councilors, even a museum director from Melitopol, spraying bullets and terror randomly on everyone else. When the Ukrainian army recaptured Bucha, to the north of Kyiv, it found corpses with their arms tied behind their backs, lying in the road. In the first three weeks of the war alone, Human Rights Watch documented cases of summary execution, rape, and the mass looting of civilian property.

Mariupol, a mostly Russian-speaking city the size of Miami, was subjected to almost total devastation. In a powerful interview in late March, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, noted that in previous European conflicts, occupiers hadn’t destroyed everything, because they themselves needed somewhere to cook, eat, wash; during the Nazi occupation, he said, “movie theaters were operating in France.” But Mariupol was different: “Everything is burned out.” Ninety percent of the buildings were destroyed within just a few weeks.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220425173725/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2022/06/ukraine-mass-murder-hate-speech-soviet/629629/

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 4:00 PM

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 4:36 PM

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You guys seem to have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
‘At war with the whole world’: why Putin might be planning a long conflict in Ukraine

Stalling peace talks and new offensive suggest Kremlin could escalate its ‘special operation’ into a ‘war’ against the west

Despite Russia’s failure to break down Ukraine’s defences, heavy casualties and a series of military defeats, the Kremlin has kept up a refrain: the goals of Vladimir Putin’s invasion will be reached in full.

Russia’s territorial targets have appeared to shift depending on the short-term gains Putin feels his troops can achieve on the battlefield. He scaled back an initial plan to seize central areas including the capital, Kyiv, in favour of a new assault focused on the eastern Donbas region.

But Russia’s goals, which the Russian president has made clear include ending Ukrainian statehood, remain unchanged, according to people involved in efforts to broker a peace deal between Moscow and Kyiv.

This means, they assessed, that he is prepared for a protracted conflict going much further than the recently outlined target of “liberating” the Donbas. Putin wants to capture all of south-eastern Ukraine to cut the country off from the Black Sea and create a platform for further attacks, they say.

“He’s a tactician . . . a judoka . . . He wants to feint and throw you over his shoulder,” one of the people said, referring to Putin’s love of judo. “He’s not reasonable, he has a distorted picture of the world in his head [ . . . ] and the scenarios have changed. Appetite comes during the meal.”

An influential Moscow-based tycoon said the conflict would go on as long as it took for Putin to sell it as a success domestically. “If you can’t make it look like a victory to the electorate, you can’t save face,” the businessman said.

Russia appears to have learned from some of its military mistakes in the early days of its invasion of Ukraine on February 24. This led to a redeployment of its forces to the Donbas and the appointment of a single field commander.

But Putin’s view of the situation on the ground appears distorted by inaccurate field briefings and state television reports, the people involved in the talks say.

Events are not reported up the chain accurately, said Pavel Luzin, an independent military analyst. This in turn is likely going to hamper Russia’s offensive and force it to pause operations at some point in the next month.

“It’s a huge hierarchy, and when some low-ranking analyst . . . writes a report about what’s really happening, it goes through 10 bosses and when it comes out at the top, it says everything is going great. That’s how the system works,” Luzin said.

“They need a break just to work out what they have. They don’t know how many contract soldiers they have left, they don’t know the full extent of their own losses, and they don’t know how much equipment they have left or what state it’s in.”

Assessing that Russia needed to regroup, Ukrainian officials initially thought Putin would look for a way to declare victory by May 9, when he celebrates the Soviet Union’s victory in the second world war with a military parade on Moscow’s Red Square.

But with few military gains secured so far and peace talks faltering, there are signs the Kremlin is preparing for a protracted conflict that it sees as a proxy war with the west. Putin said this month that “the most important thing happening today” was not the “tragic events” in Ukraine, but “breaking the unipolar world system that was created after the collapse of the Soviet Union”.

Rhetoric on state television has changed accordingly. With few triumphs to boast of beyond the capture of the port city of Mariupol — which required all but destroying it — presenters have blamed the lack of progress on the west’s support for Ukraine.

Some of them frequently muse about using nuclear weapons against the west, trumpeting Russia’s recent test of a new intercontinental ballistic missile, the Sarmat, and quoting a 2018 comment by Putin in which he joked about destroying the world in a nuclear holocaust because “what is a world without Russia good for?”

To gain ground on the front lines, Russia needs a significant manpower boost to protect its higher-value equipment. This can only be done through retaining conscripts, calling up reserves or mobilising volunteers — all of which require the Kremlin to admit it is waging a full-on war, rather than a “special operation”, according to Jack Watling, a senior fellow for land warfare at the Royal United Services Institute think-tank.

“If you’re going to go to war, then you need to explain to people what you’re doing and why the sacrifice is worth it,” Watling said. “Because it’s going badly and they’re taking very, very high levels of attrition, they’re going to have to explain to the Russian public why they’re taking casualties and what they’re taking the casualties for.”

Rather than signalling a push to end the war, the Donbas offensive may also be the prelude to broadening the conflict.

When Rustam Minnikayev, a top Russian general, outlined plans to seize south-eastern Ukraine last week, he also suggested an attack on neighbouring Moldova was planned, indicated Russia was preparing for a longer war of attrition against what would remain of Ukraine, and that Moscow saw the conflict as part of a greater geopolitical clash.

“All things considered, we are now at war with the whole world, like we were in the Great Patriotic War, [when] all of Europe, the whole world was against us. And it’s the same now, they never liked Russia,” Minnikayev said.

While Minnikayev’s analogy makes little sense — the US and its European allies fought the Nazis alongside the Soviet Union — it indicates a belief the Ukraine conflict is “just an episode of a greater confrontation with the west”, said Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of political analysis project R. Politik.

“Until Putin manages to seal a new Yalta” — the summit that divided Europe into US and Russian spheres of influence after the second world war — “Russia will dig in, and it won’t be limited to Ukraine,” she said.

“That doesn’t mean they’re going to conquer Moldova or the Baltics — it means they could escalate in any way through sabre-rattling, testing weapons or maybe even using them.”

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 8:15 PM

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Stalling peace talks and new offensive suggest Kremlin could escalate its ‘special operation’ into a ‘war’ against the west


Nah

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 8:17 PM

SIGNYM

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'The west" is already at war with Putin, so ... why not?

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 8:23 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.

Bullshit.

SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.



UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.

If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?

Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:25 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.

Bullshit.

SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.



UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.

If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?

Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.
Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of the Ukrainian nation going back to 11th century Kyiv, surviving centuries of oppression by Russia and Poland, and, finally, emerging out of the wreckage of the Soviet Union as a sovereign Ukrainian state in 1991.

For the Russians, the various western and southern provinces now called “Ukraine” were populated by Slavic border people (Ukrainians) who were essentially Russian. They considered this land as a part of the Russian Empire for centuries.

The press has been treating the Ukrainian origin story as “truth” and the Russian one as “lies,” but things are never that simple. Like all origin stories, both are a mixture of historical fact and political imagination.

In recent weeks, the depth and sincerity of the commitment to Western democracy, the repudiation of the Communist past and rejection of the Russian connection has been impressively demonstrated by the Ukrainian government and people.

Russians whose memories go back 30 or 40 years see the Ukrainian situation differently. It is not clear if the younger post-Soviet generation – in particular, young men liable for military conscription – see Ukraine and its current Western orientation in the same way as their elders.

Putin’s past wars and acts of aggression on the international scene (Chechnya, Crimea) raised his popularity at home, but they were successful wars. So far, Russia’s Ukrainian adventure is not looking like a success.

In the case of Crimea (which, as all Russians know, was transferred from Russia to Ukraine in 1954 on a whim of Khrushchev), this aggression was essentially bloodless.

Chechnya was bloody, but the victims were not Slavs.

It remains to be seen how the Russian Army and Russians back home will feel about the killing of Ukrainians: Slavic kith and kin.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-as-a-borderland-a-brief-history-of
-ukraines-place-between-europe-and-russia-178168

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Tuesday, April 26, 2022 9:29 PM

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Yup. Because those damned Polacks are known for their oppressive behavior.

Shut up, moron.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2022 2:17 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.

SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.

SIGNY: UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.

SECOND: Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of
This is as far as I got b4 wading into more of your bullshit, distraction, and misdirection.

Bc, yanno, you can't really address my point, can you?

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Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:15 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.

SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.

SIGNY: UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.

SECOND: Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of
This is as far as I got b4 wading into more of your bullshit, distraction, and misdirection.

Bc, yanno, you can't really address my point, can you?
In what way are your points different than Putin's? You have written many words, but you have not deviated from Putin's positions. Why do you bother to write when Putin has already done all the work for you? Just copy and paste whatever official press release is coming out of Russia and save your energy for gardening or whatever you do in retirement.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:26 AM

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Russia’s threat to retaliate against US-Japan naval exercises shows it’s getting jumpy

Russia has warned Japan of “retaliatory measures” if it expands joint naval exercises with the United States near Russia’s eastern borders.

The threat is just the latest salvo from Moscow, which has been angered by Japan’s support for Ukraine and its growing ties with NATO countries, and is turning up the heat in a long-running dispute over the sovereignty of islands captured by Soviet forces at the end of World War II.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Igor Morgulov said Tuesday that US-Japan naval exercises were “potentially offensive in nature,” according to a report on Tuesday by Russian state news agency RIA-Novosti.

“We see such actions by the Japanese side as a threat to the security of our country,” Morgulov said. “If such practices expand, Russia will take retaliatory measures in the interests of strengthening its defense capabilities.”

However, he did not specify which US-Japan exercises he was talking about – nor did he make explicit what form Russia’s retaliation might take.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/27/asia/russia-threat-japan-naval-exercise
s-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Long story shortened: Russia put troops into Japan and never withdrew. Russia did the same to Ukraine. That is why Japan is helping Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute

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Russian Leaders Know They’re Committing War Crimes. Their Laws of War Manual Says So.

The manual requires commanders to be aware that, generally, attacks are forbidden on targets including concentrations of civilians, their dwellings, infrastructure necessary to their survival, nuclear power plants and cultural icons. It also makes clear that attacks on those targets employing weapons such as indirect artillery and missile fire, indiscriminate automatic weapons fire, and landmines can constitute separate war crimes.

“Civilian” is defined in the manual as “any person present in the area of combat operations, who is not a member of armed forces and refrains from any act of hostility.”

The manual warns, “Especially dangerous objects are nuclear power stations … whose destruction may release dangerous destructive factors and consequent severe losses among the civilian population. These objects shall not become the object of attack even when they are military objectives if attacking them may result in the above-mentioned consequences.”

The manual tells a commander: “While organizing and conducting combat operations the commander and staff must take into account the rules of international humanitarian law.” Prohibited methods of warfare include “killing or wounding civilians … taking of hostages… terrorizing the civilian population; using starvation of civilians to achieve military objectives, the destruction, removal or reduction to uselessness of objects indispensable to their survival … destroying cultural property, historic monuments, places of worship and other objects of cultural or spiritual heritage of peoples …; destroying or capturing enemy property, unless required by military necessity; ordering to pillage a town or place.”

In addition, “the following shall be prohibited [during] combat operations: “booby-traps which are placed outside a military objective and in any way attached to, or associated … dead bodies; burial or cremation sites, graves[.]” If bodies were mined at Bucha, that was another direct violation.

The manual warns:

In accordance with … the penal legislation of the Russian Federation, perpetrators of international humanitarian law violations can be held criminally responsible. Such violations include actions against persons and objects protected under international humanitarian law: willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment…willfully causing great suffering or serious injury, or harm to health; … taking of hostages; intentionally making the civilian population or individual civilians, …, an object of attack if it causes death or serious bodily injury, or harm to health; illegal arrest; … unlawful deportation … of civilian population of the occupied territory beyond its borders;

… The actions of occupying forces must comply with the rules of international humanitarian law. The commander … in the occupied territory is obliged, …, to take all possible measures to ensure public order and security, prevent pillage and illegal confiscation of property. … Life, family, property, customs of the civilian population shall be respected.

Further, “search for, collection, identification, and burial of the dead members of the enemy armed forces as well as of other victims of armed conflicts shall be organized immediately, as soon as the situation permits and carried out … to establish the identity of the dead (deceased) and bury them with due dignity and respect as required by ethical principles.”

There are many other requirements, but those above were clearly violated in the shelling and bombing of Kyiv, Kharkiv and Mariupol, the murders in Bucha, the expulsions from Mariupol into Russia, and the mistreatment of civilians in numerous occupied towns and villages.

Do these rules matter?

This Russian manual is clear evidence that the Russian military leadership is aware their actions and inaction in Ukraine constitute war crimes. In any trial, the manual provides the necessary nexus to demonstrate that Russian leaders are legally responsible for illegal attacks upon and destruction of civilians and their homes, of cultural monuments and on nuclear power plants.

By their own words they are condemned.

More at https://www.lawfareblog.com/russian-leaders-know-theyre-committing-war
-crimes-their-laws-war-manual-says-so

The Law of War in the 21st Century Kindle Edition by Evan J. Wallach
https://www.amazon.com/Law-War-21st-Century-ebook/dp/B07CCP3HNN

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Quote:
SignyM:
Yeah, like the Russians did that.
Bullshit.

SECOND: As these crimes were carried out, in full view of the world, the Russian state successfully hid this tragedy from its own people.

SIGNY: UH huh. And Saddam had WMD and Assad gassed how own people.
If this was "in view of the whole world" why didn't someone... OSCE, maybe? They're pro-western enough!... come forward with evidence AT THE TIME? Do an investigation AT THE TIME? Instead of, yanno, fabricating after the fact?
Like I said: You have an infinite capacity to absorb swill.

SECOND: Ukrainians tell a story of the origins of

SIGNY: This is as far as I got b4 wading into more of your bullshit, distraction, and misdirection.
Bc, yanno, you can't really address my point, can you?

SECOND: In what way are your points different than Putin's? You have written many words, but you have not deviated from Putin's positions.


All I'm doing is demanding evidence, which is what I did for Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Panama, Grenada etc etc

And all YOU'RE doing is repeating neocon/M$M lies.

If YOU had demanded evidence before signing up for Vietnam, maybe you wouldn't be the twisted fuck you are today. But instead of learning from your past mistakes, you seem to want others to follow your path to insanity. Bc that's what happens when you believe lies.

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Nobody cares.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
Putin cares too much. He is threatening, today, to nuke the world. He keeps making the threat. I wonder if he thinks he wasn't heard the first 6 times he said the same thing?

Russia has issued a chilling new threat to the UK over continued weapon supplies to Ukraine.

Vladimir Putin's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said strikes could be authorised against NATO member countries' military targets.

She said: "Do we understand correctly that for the sake of disrupting the logistics of military supplies, Russia can strike military targets on the territory of those Nato countries that supply arms to the Kyiv regime?"

"After all, this directly leads to deaths and bloodshed on Ukrainian territory. As far as I understand, Britain is one of those countries.”

On Wednesday Putin also seemed to hint at a possible nuclear attack, telling assembled Russian lawmakers: "If someone intends to interfere in what is going on from the outside they must know that constitutes an unacceptable strategic threat to Russia.

"They must know that our response to counter strikes will be lightning fast. Fast."

He went on: "We have all the weapons we need for this. No one else can brag about these weapons, and we won't brag about them. But we will use them."

It comes after Russia also warned NATO weapons were a "legitimate" target in Ukraine - and that British diplomats in Kyiv could be targeted.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said "nuclear" action was a "real" danger, adding the risk of World War 3 was now "considerable".

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russias-chilling-threat-launc
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Wednesday, April 27, 2022 7:54 PM

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Nobody cares.
Putin cares too much.


He's got a reason to.

You don't.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2022 10:34 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.
Putin cares too much.


He's got a reason to.

You don't.
Putin is the richest man in the world, but he will lose his wealth if he doesn't stop this stupid war he started whimsically because the richest man believed he could do anything. Think of Putin as a weirder and older Elon Musk with an army and a bureau of assassination to do his will.

How Putin might be 'the richest man in the world'

Throughout his decades-long political career, Russian President Vladimir Putin has amassed a fortune that some authorities believe is vast enough to crown him one of the richest people in the world.

Now that wealth is in the crosshairs of the West. Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which is believed to have killed thousands of civilians, has triggered economic sanctions that target him, his associates and now his adult children.

But the system that built Putin's riches has also frustrated U.S. and European efforts to punish him. Each round of sanctions raises new questions about whether those efforts can affect the man who treats the wealth of an entire nation as his own.

That wealth was not built solely by simple corruption or theft, according to statements from an array of government officials, interviews with experts in U.S. intelligence and law enforcement, and a USA TODAY review of thousands of pages of reports and documents.

While Putin was far from the first to capitalize on the wealth of the formerly communist country, he turned the tables on Russia’s oligarchs, using the power of his office to put himself in control of their futures – and their fortunes.

He installed his closest allies from St. Petersburg as a new class of oligarchs whose business riches became, effectively, Putin's own. Today, while Putin declares a $123,000 salary, his actual wealth is as hard to imagine as it is to quantify.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/04/26/russia-preside
nt-vladimir-putin-money-oligarchs/9543309002/

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Thursday, April 28, 2022 2:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

SECOND: Putin cares too much.

SIX: He's got a reason to.
You don't.

SECOND: Putin is the richest man in the world...
You crave lies like an alcoholic craves booze.

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Thursday, April 28, 2022 2:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

SECOND: Putin cares too much.

SIX: He's got a reason to.
You don't.

SECOND: Putin is the richest man in the world...
You crave lies like an alcoholic craves booze.


Yup. It's like the government took Trump away from him and now his only source of Copeium is Putin.

Turn that frown upside down, little buddy. Trump is coming back.

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Thursday, April 28, 2022 7:58 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Turn that frown upside down, little buddy. Trump is coming back.
Trump is 4 times more likely to be assassinated than to be reelected. Four Presidents have been assassinated, but only one President, Grover Cleveland, served non-consecutive terms. There could be a John Wilkes Booth for Trump. Maybe there are two? The second one is for Putin.

In other speculative news, Russia already has phases 2 and 3 planned after Ukraine

Russia will not stop at Transnistria if Moscow is successful and the Western world loses interest in Ukraine as the war drags on. The potential “third phase” would be a drive to connect the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad Oblast, which borders NATO members Poland and Lithuania. This action would entail the Russian military seizing the Suwalki Gap, which is the border between Poland and Lithuania – with Kaliningrad Oblast and Belarus on the two endpoints. The Suwalki Gap is a mere 65 miles end-to-end. Those 65 miles between the exclave and Belarus (which Moscow is using as a staging area for its invasion of Ukraine) is NATO territory.

Putin might risk a wider European war – specifically an attack on two NATO member-states, plus drawing in non-member Moldova. As part of the defense of the Suwalki Gap, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas has advocated for the U.S. to establish a permanent military base in her country. Estonia shares a land border with Russia and has a minority Russian-speaking population that may need “liberation” if Russia is not expelled from Ukraine.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/opinion/2022/04/28/russia-already-
aiming-nato-nations-borders-after-ukraine/9551808002/

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Thursday, April 28, 2022 8:21 AM

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Use the Weapon the Russians Can’t Match

It’s nowhere near as expensive as it sounds, and much more humane: offer every Russian soldier who defects $100,000 and the right to settle in any EU/North American country of their choice. It might not work, especially if Russia uses deadly force against soldiers who lay down their arms or violent reprisals against their families back home. But if a large enough portion of their troops accept the offer, the Russian war effort would be crippled.

Of course, Putin will claim that this is an inducement to the worst sort of betrayal, selling out your country’s fundamental values and interests in exchange for a bribe. If this were really what’s at stake in the war, he’d be right. But if not just a few, but thousands, including whole units, opt for the deal, it sends the message that Putin’s war aims are hollow. Of course, defectors can send that message directly as well, for instance through social media, and it would take a much higher level of repression than today’s to block it.

Too expensive? Way cheaper than war in every way. As an upper bound, consider that if 100,000 troops defect—which would likely end the war on the spot—the cost would come to $10 billion, far less than what will be spent on arms and lost through death and destruction.

Note that this is a weapon only the West can wield, since Russia can neither afford such largesse, nor would settlement in Russia be as attractive.

https://angrybearblog.com/2022/04/in-ukraine-use-the-weapon-the-russia
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6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Turn that frown upside down, little buddy. Trump is coming back.
Trump is 4 times more likely to be assassinated than to be reelected. Four Presidents have been assassinated, but only one President, Grover Cleveland, served non-consecutive terms. There could be a John Wilkes Booth for Trump. Maybe there are two? The second one is for Putin.


That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.

In any event... archived.



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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.

In any event... archived.
I'm afraid you, Signym and Putin are full of it. Putin made his statistical calculation of when there would be a victory in Ukraine. His calculation was too optimistic, but that doesn't mean victory will never happen. Nor does it mean that nobody will kill Putin for his mathematical errors.

NASA said the same as 6ix says, but about Space Shuttle. NASA management said the probability of a catastrophic loss was a million to one. Richard Feynman did a back of the envelope calculation after 25 space shuttle flights and one crash to arrive at one chance in a hundred. Eventually there would be 135 Space Shuttle flights, 2 crashes, 14 dead. Feynman’s approximation was pretty close, but if he wanted the accuracy that 6ix wants, there would have to be thousands of Space Shuttle crashes and thousands of USA Presidents being assassinated in order to get the best estimate of the likelihood of Trump being murdered.

NASA’s Understanding of Risk in Apollo and Shuttle
Harry W. Jones NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA, 94035-0001
Mathematical risk analysis was used in Apollo**, but it gave unacceptably pessimistic results and was discontinued. Shuttle was designed without using risk analysis, under the assumption that good engineering would make it very safe. This approach led to an unnecessarily risky design, which led to the Shuttle tragedies. Although the Challenger disaster was due to a mistaken launch decision, it might have been avoided by a safer design. The ultimate cause of the Shuttle tragedies was the Apollo era decision to abandon risk analysis.
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20190002249/downloads/20190002249.
pdf

6ix, if you do a risk analysis of Trump blowing up on TV like the Space Shuttle Challenger, it is more likely than him being reelected. That makes Trump as heroic as an astronaut, assuming Trump runs again for President. He'd be safer going to the Moon or Mars.



** Apollo 1 was expected to fly to Earth orbit in 1967 with astronauts Gus Grissom, Roger Chaffee and Ed White on board. During a test on the launch pad, however, a fire erupted and rapidly asphyxiated all three astronauts.

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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.

In any event... archived.
I'm afraid you, Signym and Putin are full of it.


If we're talking statistics for kindergartners where there is only one variable, sure, you're on to something.

That's not how the real world works.

If it were, any dumb asshole like you could be a Statistician.



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Before Mr. Putin’s troops rolled into Ukraine, says Joanna Bryson, an ethics professor at the Hertie School in Berlin, it was easy to argue either for or against the idea that Mr. Putin may be a reliable partner for the West.

“Everyone could turn their heads both ways,” says Dr. Bryson. “Large numbers of people staked their entire identities and professional histories in saying things like ‘The Cold War was over, and we have these institutions that will secure us.’ Then suddenly Russia proved that one narrative was false and one narrative was true” – shaking Germany’s long-held policy foundation toward Russia to its core.

Prior to the invasion, government language and media coverage describing Mr. Putin’s troop buildup around Ukraine left it all open to different interpretations. The language allowed for nuance. Instead of “soldiers” it was “pro-Russian separatists,” for example.

“Now we’re falling back to old language that’s much more connected to Cold War times and classical war coverage,” says Dr. Liefke. “It’s Putin’s war. And it’s very clear that the Russian side are the bad guys and Ukrainians are the good guys. That is a big change. It’s an indication to society that it’s actually no longer acceptable to be somehow pro-Putin.”

This morality has brought trouble to public figures such as Gerhard Schröder, the former German chancellor who’s a close friend of Mr. Putin’s. After leaving public office, Mr. Schröder joined the board of Russian energy giant Gazprom with an accompanying hefty salary. Now Mr. Schröder’s political party is being pressured to oust him.

Mr. Schröder’s “relationship to Putin was always somehow disputable, but in the OK zone. It no longer is,” says Dr. Liefke.

Germany’s welcome to thousands of Ukrainian refugees also has a strong moral foundation, as society has opened its arms with donations of food and shelter, while the government proclaims there is no upper limit on the numbers of Ukrainians who can pass into the country. Analysts say the Ukraine war hits the right combination of factors: namely, flight from war or persecution by a population that’s geographically close and similar in culture and religion. (More than 70% of Ukrainians are Christian, as are the majority of Germans.)

Hence what ensued was a mass outpouring of empathy.

“It’s very clear and prominent in news media and political speeches that Ukrainians really are fleeing a war,” says Christian Cyzmara, a sociologist at Goethe University Frankfurt. “It also feels very drastic and close, which boosts acceptance among Germans and Europe in general.”

Germany is moving away from Russian energy, which will ultimately “help rid the world of the dictatorship of a degrading country.”

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2022/0428/Moral-nation-Why-Germ
any-changed-course-so-radically-on-Russia

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That's not how statistics work, I'm afraid.

In any event... archived.
I'm afraid you, Signym and Putin are full of it.


If we're talking statistics for kindergartners where there is only one variable, sure, you're on to something.

That's not how the real world works.

If it were, any dumb asshole like you could be a Statistician.



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Awwwwwwww...

You're done with that dead-end line of thought, huh?

*pout*



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