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Friday, May 20, 2022 12:47 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


The media House of 'salon' is full of Pedophiles?

I notice second you still support the mohammedan islamics

you also still support the fire bombings, and terroristic attacks on pro-life offices and a mob following the Supreme Court home and making death threats to their family

I know you second with your perversions might have some kind of political point to make

But can you link to another site other than Salon DEFENDERS Of PEDOPHILES ?

Are there other sites out there which are NOT pro-pedophile perverted websites??
Perhaps a more moderate liberttarian middle ground site with links to pedo criminals?
Salon Publishes Male ReaverFan Antifas Disturbing Article About His Violent Anti-White Fantasies
Salon offering pedophiles a platform and has been trying to normalize criminal child abuse and pederasty


The party of open-borders? fire bombings? and Free Crack for the Welfare Reparations Gibs?



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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
All you Democrats have now is Russia and Abortion.


They will hand out Free Crack to those weirdos doing Occult Abortion Rituals with Dolls...

...perhaps the crackheads will be too drunk and stoned to get out on vote
maybe human sterilization for some crazy type wasn't such a bad idea afterall?
or maybe in the political silly seasons they can just hack the voter machines?



the screeching protests and Occult Human Sacrifice shit they do with dolls outside Churches is weird

the same so-called Atheist crowd are too chicken shit and self-hating to do it outside an islamo mosque

and Salon?
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/02/21/isnt-that-convenient-salon-de
letes-all-articles-defending-pedophiles-from-their-site/

,

https://wearechange.org/virtuous-pedophiles-mike-cernovich-reveals-sal
ons-dirty-secret/

,

https://theralphretort.com/disgusting-salon-goes-back-pro-pedophile-we
ll-5017016/

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One disturbing trend over the last year or so has been the move by SJWs to attempt to normalize pedophilia.


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pro-pedophile website salon
https://archive.ph/0464Q

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Friday, May 20, 2022 5:28 PM

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CPAC Head Promotes Abortion Ban to Stave Off ‘Great Replacement’

“If you’re worried about this quote-unquote replacement, why don’t we start there. Start with allowing our own people to live.”

by David Gilbert

The GOP has come up with a solution for the “great replacement” it fears is threatening to replace traditional white Republican voters with immigrants: an abortion ban.

Matt Schlapp, the head of the influential Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) and a confidant to former President Donald Trump, says that overturning Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide, would be a good “first step” in fixing what he says is the problem of immigration in the U.S.

And in doing so, he floated a core concern of white supremacists’ original “great replacement theory” that even fringe GOP politicians haven’t been willing to voice publicly: that immigrants are outbreeding the native-born population and threatening to replace them in society.

“I am very hopeful in America that we will give the right to life to our unborn children,” Schlapp told U.S. media, who were denied entry to the CPAC conference occurring this week in Budapest. Schlapp was asked whether he agreed with the comments made by his host, authoritarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who told the conference that Europe was “committing suicide” through immigration.

“Roe v. Wade is being adjudicated at the Supreme Court right now, for people that believe that we somehow need to replace populations or bring in new workers, I think it is an appropriate first step to give the…enshrinement in law the right to life for our own unborn children,” he said.

Pressed further for what he meant, Schlapp added that he thought overturning abortion and immigration were “separate issues,” but then contradicted himself almost immediately.

“If you say there is a population problem in a country, but you’re killing millions of your own people through legalized abortion every year, if that were to be reduced, some of that problem is solved,” Schlapp said. “You have millions of people who can take many of these jobs. How come no one brings that up? If you’re worried about this quote-unquote replacement, why don’t we start there? Start with allowing our own people to live.”

(The most recent figures from the CDC put the number of legal abortions in the U.S. in 2019 at 630,000.)

The “great replacement theory” is a century-old conspiracy that has found new life inside the Republican Party of late. The danger of this rhetoric was highlighted this week when the 18-year-old accused of killing 10 people in a Buffalo supermarket wrote in his diary about being inspired by the “great replacement theory” or “white genocide,” to allegedly commit the horrific attack.

The conspiracy holds that “native” white Christian populations are being replaced by immigrants of different races and religions and GOP candidates for the Senate have been pushing a specific version of the theory that claims Democrats want an immigrant invasion to overwhelm “traditional” voters and take over the country.

But Schlapp’s version of the conspiracy is even more extreme and aligns with the white supremacist origins of the theory that claims low birthrates will see the country’s “native” population replaced by an immigrant population.

This was a cornerstone of the 2017 Charlottesville rally when white supremacists chanted “You will not replace us” and “Jews will not replace us,” and some in the GOP have echoed similar statements. In 2018, former Rep. Steve King said, “We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies.”

Like many others in the GOP, Schlapp pushed the lie that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump, and in the same breath spoke about the dangers of immigration.

When asked directly if he was a supporter or believer in the “great replacement theory,” he didn't back down.

“I think one of the marks on our history is the idea of turning a blind eye to the millions of children who were not allowed to live and could have lived wonderful, beautiful lives and could have contributed in ways we’ll never really understand,” he said. “That to me is what is the most interesting thing the left doesn’t bring up when they talk about criticism of this theory, which I don’t know if I’m not expert in, I’ve certainly read a couple of articles.”

Schlapp also dismissed the link between “great replacement” theory and the shooting in Buffalo. “Clearly they were very troubled and I think it is a mistake to jump to some kind of philosophy or journal entry for us to give some sort of political answer in our society,” Schlapp said.

Schlapp then complained about media reports citing Tucker Carlson’s boosting of the “great replacement” theory, and said it was unfair to link him to the shooting. Carlson, who sent a video message to the CPAC attendees in Hungary this week, has long been a booster of the conspiracy theory on his show.

Asked again if he agreed with Orban’s comments about European countries “committing suicide” by embracing immigration, Schlapp said: “I think Orban is skeptical of their solution, and I think in America we have a solution that could be right around the corner.”

The Supreme Court is expected to strike down Roe in June.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjb7ad/cpac-head-promotes-abortion-ban
-to-stave-off-great-replacement

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Friday, May 20, 2022 10:21 PM

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CPAC Head Promotes Abortion Ban to Stave Off ‘Great Replacement’


That's funny. The amount of babies murdered by our Government were disproportionately black babies by a million miles.

If anything, Roe v Wade has been a great contributor to staving off the Great Replacement for decades now. Whites would have been a minority if Democrats didn't kill so many black babies for a few generations now.

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 8:17 AM

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Trump Is Telling Allies His Record on Abortion Could Hurt His 2024 Chances

If Trump's Supreme Court Justices overturn Roe v Wade, women voters might blame Trump.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-2024-
abortion-roevswade-1356278/

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 8:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Trump Is Telling Allies His Record on Abortion Could Hurt His 2024 Chances

If Trump's Supreme Court Justices overturn Roe v Wade, women voters might blame Trump.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-2024-
abortion-roevswade-1356278/

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Nah.

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 1:15 PM

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Nah.
All of Trump's judges are Catholics. Some voters realize what that means, but most voters realize nothing, which is forever causing for themselves endless unsolvable problems:

GOP candidate: I’d vote to ban birth control. ‘It should not be legal.’
Jacky Eubanks says no society can succeed “outside of the Christian moral order.”

https://onlysky.media/hemant-mehta/michigan-gop-candidate-id-vote-to-b
an-birth-control-it-should-not-be-legal/

Roman Catholics account for 20% of the U.S. population, yet they are 67% of the Supreme Court’s nine seats now that President Donald Trump has nominated Amy Coney Barrett to fill its vacancy. Less than 1% of Catholics would lie to a Senate Committee when asked if they would overturn Roe v Wade, but every Catholic Trump chose is in that less than 1% group. I wonder how that happened? I wonder if voters will notice what Trump did? Probably not.
https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-ruth-bader-ginsburg-archiv
e-courts-donald-trump-987e5fb6de8a1a29d1cbb00bf1f1948c

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 1:54 PM

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Do you want to know why Catholic Judges force non-Catholics to obey Catholic Canon Law when non-Catholic Judges don't? This is why and it is also a reason why Catholics should NOT be judges unless they swear to only base their decisions on US Law, never on Catholic Canon Law:

The conservative archbishop of San Francisco, Salvatore Cordileone, says House Speaker Nancy Pelosi may no longer receive the holy sacrament of Communion in the archdiocese, because she supports abortion rights.

In a letter to Pelosi released Friday afternoon, the archbishop wrote that he had informed the California Democrat that “should you not publically repudiate your advocacy for abortion ‘rights’ or else refrain from referring to your Catholic faith in public and receiving Holy Communion, I would have no choice but to make a declaration, in keeping with canon 915, that you are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

“As you have not publically repudiated your position on abortion, and continue to refer to your Catholic faith in justifying your position and to receive Holy Communion, that time has now come,” he continued. “Therefore, in light of my responsibility as the Archbishop of San Francisco to be ‘concerned for all the Christian faithful entrusted to [my] care’ (Code of Canon Law, can. 383, §1), by means of this communication I am hereby notifying you that you are not to present yourself for Holy Communion and, should you do so, you are not to be admitted to Holy Communion, until such time as you publicly repudiate your advocacy for the legitimacy of abortion and confess and receive absolution of this grave sin in the sacrament of Penance.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics/pelosi-communion-ban-abortion-
san-francisco-archdiocese/index.html

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 5:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Your problem, Second, is that if one were truly to believe that Biden* got 80 million votes in 2020, you've already so deeply saturated the total possible vote count that a Democrat was ever going to get.

Then there were two years of everything being bullshit afterward.


Nobody gives one single fuck about abortion.


Keep talking about abortion and Russia and see where it gets you.

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Saturday, May 21, 2022 5:11 PM

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Keep talking about abortion and Russia and see where it gets you.


Oh. BTW... have you explained to the blacks and Latinos how sending $40 Billion to Ukraine was in their best interests yet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-40-billion-dollars-ukraine-ai
d-south-korea-trip/

Tick Tock

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Sunday, May 22, 2022 4:28 PM

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Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy: Our Maternal Death Rates Are Only Bad If You Count Black Women

Headline looks like an exaggeration, but read the article and it is not.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/bill-cassidy-maternal-mortalit
y-rates

Cassidy — who wants to defund Planned Parenthood - says Louisiana's maternal mortality rates are abysmal, but if you only count white women, they’re not that bad! In Louisiana, Black mothers are four times as likely to die than white mothers. The USA has the worst mortality rate in the world.

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Sunday, May 22, 2022 4:36 PM

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Oh. BTW... have you explained to the blacks and Latinos how sending $40 Billion to Ukraine was in their best interests yet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-40-billion-dollars-ukraine-ai
d-south-korea-trip/

Tick Tock

Sending $40 billion or $40 trillion or $40 bazillion would NOT decrease what goes to other projects. Congress has infinite dollars. Republicans pretend otherwise because they want to spend nothing and pretending there is only a limited amount of money is the best way to trick the ignorant into believing nothing can be done.

As a practical note, the wealthy underpay their income taxes by $1 trillion per year. That would be easy money to collect, but Republicans don't want it collected.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-treasury-irs/irs-chief-says-1-t
rillion-in-taxes-goes-uncollected-every-year-idUSKBN2C0255

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Sunday, May 22, 2022 6:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Oh. BTW... have you explained to the blacks and Latinos how sending $40 Billion to Ukraine was in their best interests yet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-40-billion-dollars-ukraine-ai
d-south-korea-trip/

Tick Tock

Sending $40 billion or $40 trillion or $40 bazillion would NOT decrease what goes to other projects. Congress has infinite dollars.


This is all you need to know about Second.

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This is all you need to know about Second.
I have another that 6ix can't understand: The One Thing the Dissenting Justices Could Do to Save Roe v. Wade

Five of the nine Supreme Court justices are prepared to overturn Roe v. Wade. The four justices in the minority can stop that from happening.

Federal law and the Supreme Court’s own rules establish the quorum of justices necessary to do business at six. Unless at least six justices agree to hear a case, the Supreme Court cannot act. Thus, a denial of quorum would deprive the presumptive five-justice majority in Dobbs from adopting Justice Samuel Alito’s leaked draft majority opinion, leaving Roe intact for now.

Deprivations of quorum are not novel. For instance, in 2008, the Supreme Court agreed to hear American Isuzu Motors Inc. v. Ntsebeza, a case concerning a group of businesses accused of maintaining apartheid in South Africa. Because so many large corporations were named defendants, four justices recused themselves due to conflicts of interest. As a result, the Supreme Court lacked a quorum and the five remaining justices were unable to rule on the case.

In such situations, federal law states that a majority of the remaining justices can either affirm the judgment of the lower court or, if they believe the lack of quorum is temporary, hold the case until the next term and decide it then. Accordingly, a majority of the five qualified justices in Ntsebeza voted to affirm the appeals court’s judgment, presumably because they did not foresee their fellow justices’ conflicts of interest abating.

Moreover, justices can recuse themselves from any case for any reason. To that end, while federal law compels recusal in the face of certain conflicts of interest, it imposes no requirement that unconflicted justices hear a case. Indeed, despite some lower courts imposing a “duty to sit” on federal judges—a duty that Chief Justice William Rehnquist once thought applicable to Supreme Court justices—never has a majority of the Supreme Court held that its justices must decide a case where they are qualified to do so.

For example, despite his qualification to hear cases, Justice Robert Jackson famously took a leave of absence from the Supreme Court from 1945 to 1946 to serve as chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials, leaving eight justices to keep the court operating in his absence. Furthermore, to the extent a “duty to sit” ever applied to Supreme Court justices, Congress abolished it in 1974 to relieve federal judges from having to hear cases where they were arguably disqualified due to conflicts of interest, thus “enhanc[ing] public confidence in the impartiality of the judicial system.” One consequence of this legislation was an increase in the independence of the judiciary, giving judges the unchecked discretion to recuse themselves whenever they please, so long as federal law does not compel them to do so. Today, the four justices who will ostensibly make up the Dobbs minority can recuse themselves despite their having no apparent conflict of interest.

Justice and the institutional legitimacy of the Supreme Court demand that these justices do so.

So, to the four justices writing your dissents in Dobbs: Stop writing. Take evasive action. Recuse yourselves.

Denying quorum to avoid constitutional calamity may set a troubling precedent, but at least the Supreme Court would survive, as would the fundamental rights of millions upon millions of Americans. Watching your colleagues destroy a core constitutional right would be unimaginable. But watching them do so when you could have stopped them would be unforgivable.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/abortion-save-roe-v-wade-j
ustices-supreme-court-filibuster.html

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 1:54 PM

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What Justice Alito Can Learn From a 114-Year-Old Sex Abuse Scandal

By Aaron Tang
June 02, 2022, 12:32 PM

In 1908, a local scandal gripped the attention of some residents of Portland, Oregon. Authorities arrested a prominent “electric healer” named J.D. Dunn on allegations that he had sexually abused a fourteen-year-old patient during an appointment to treat her for goiter.

At trial, Dunn’s entire defense hung on the credibility of his star witness, a certain Mrs. Kruse. Kruse testified that she was physically present in Dunn’s office when he’d allegedly abused the minor patient—and that she saw no such thing.

Prosecutors responded with a tactic familiar to anyone who’s seen Law and Order: they tried to discredit Kruse on cross-examination. They got her to admit that she, too, was a patient of Dunn’s, but they couldn’t get her to describe the nature of her treatment. So they called another witness who testified that Dunn had actually performed an abortion on Kruse when she was three months pregnant.

What happened next reveals a striking lesson about the legal status of abortion in early America. This lesson casts severe doubt on the historical assertions that underpin Justice Samuel Alito’s leaked draft opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, an opinion that would eliminate the constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy.

In Alito’s world, the accusation that Dunn had performed an abortion should have been a jaw-dropping moment in open court. At the time, Oregon had a law declaring any abortion performed on any “woman pregnant with a child” to be punishable as manslaughter. According to Alito, such language would have “made abortion a crime at all stages in pregnancy.” Dunn, in other words, had just been accused of an offense even more severe than the one for which he was on trial.

But in the real world, Oregon prosecutors never even considered prosecuting Dunn for performing the abortion. Quite the opposite. Appearing before the Oregon Supreme Court, attorneys for the state insisted that “abortion is not a crime” under Oregon law unless it results in the death “of a quick fetus.” Dunn had accordingly broken no law because he performed Kruse’s abortion prior to quickening—the point at which a fetus makes its first noticeable movement, as early as fifteen or sixteen weeks in pregnancy.

This is devastating for Alito’s argument. Here’s why.

Recall that the leaked opinion overturns Roe v. Wade on the basis of a particular legal test: the Constitution, it says, can only protect the right to abortion if it is “deeply rooted in our nation’s history and tradition.” Alito recognizes that this test is actually terrible for him as of the founding because every state then in the union respected the “distinction between pre- and post-quickening abortion” and treated the former as no crime at all.

His response is to assert that this tradition changed by the time the 14th Amendment was adopted in 1868. By then, Alito claims, “three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy.” So crucial is this argument to his opinion that he includes a 23-page appendix—longer than many Supreme Court majority opinions—quoting every state law he believes criminalized abortion throughout pregnancy.

Oregon is one of the states on his list.

But as the story of J.D. Dunn proves, that cannot be correct. Not unless one thinks Oregon prosecutors lied to their own Supreme Court when they affirmed the state’s longstanding position that pre-quickening abortions remained perfectly legal under the state’s abortion law, just as had been true throughout America at the founding.

With Alito’s mistreatment of Oregon revealed, the rest of his opinion crumbles. Many of the other state laws concerning abortion that Alito lists in his appendix used similar language—and were also understood to continue the founding-era tradition of permitting pre-quickening abortion (I describe those laws and how they were understood historically in this research paper https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3921358 ).

After combing through the historical record, my best sense is that just 16 of the 37 states actually banned pre-quickening abortions at the time of the 14th Amendment’s adoption. What is more, even these 16 states should be heavily discounted given how they were driven by an all-male medical association’s peddling of openly misogynistic stereotypes, such as one anti-abortion advocate’s declaration that pregnant women should not be “allowed to judge for [themselves] in this matter” because they are too “prone to … derangement.”

Correcting the historical record matters. Noted conservative and libertarian originalists like Professors Michael McConnell and Randy Barnett have argued that the 14th Amendment’s original meaning protects unenumerated rights that a substantial majority of states respected for a lengthy period of history. That describes the legal status of pre-quickening abortion throughout our nation’s early years: it was permitted by every state at the founding and still by a majority of states when the 14th Amendment was ratified. Contrary to Alito’s opinion, in other words, history and tradition actually support a constitutional right to abortion for much of early pregnancy.

None of this should be a surprise to Alito, though. All of the sources I’ve drawn on to describe Dunn’s case and Oregon’s official interpretation of its abortion ban are publicly available and easy to find through a basic search of any legal database.

That Justice Alito and his clerks drafted a 98-page opinion overruling a right belonging to millions of Americans without ever performing such a search—or worse, having done it only to suppress the unfavorable results—is eye-opening. The only question left is whether the court’s more institutionalist-minded conservatives will take off their blinders.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/06/justice-alito-abortion-his
tory-roe-v-wade-constitution.html

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Friday, June 10, 2022 7:46 AM

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The Janes HBO tells the revelatory story of a group of unlikely outlaws. Defying the state legislature that outlawed abortion, the Catholic Church that condemned it, and the Chicago Mob that was profiting from it, the members of “Jane” risked their personal and professional lives to support women with unwanted pregnancies in the pre-Roe v. Wade era. Premieres June 8 on HBO Max.



The Janes 2022 rated 84 out of 100
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-janes
The Catholic user score for this documentary at metacritic is very low. Catholics on the Supreme Court also gave Roe v Wade a low score. The Religion of the Supreme Court Justices -- https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/391649/religion-suprem
e-court-justices.aspx

The Janes 2022 rated 100% out of 100
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_janes

Download at https://yts.mx/movies/the-janes-2022

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Friday, June 10, 2022 7:58 AM

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Grandfather of armed man who wanted to kill Brett Kavanaugh says he is a 'good kid'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10901867/Grandfather-armed-ma
n-wanted-kill-Brett-Kavanaugh-says-good-kid.html
Federal agents raided Roske's Simi Valley, Commiefornia home

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Grandfather of armed man who wanted to kill Brett Kavanaugh says he is a 'good kid'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10901867/Grandfather-armed-ma
n-wanted-kill-Brett-Kavanaugh-says-good-kid.html
Federal agents raided Roske's Simi Valley, Commiefornia home
Roske allegedly called 911 on himself after taking a cab to Kavanaugh's house. He apparently told emergency dispatchers what his location was, and that he was armed and was suffering from a need for 'psychiatric help'.

This a parody: New Law Safeguards 50 Million Children From Threats Of Gun Violence By Adding Them To Supreme Court
https://www.theonion.com/new-law-safeguards-50-million-children-from-t
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In an effort to prevent further gun deaths among minors, Congress passed a new law Thursday safeguarding 50 million children from threats of gun violence by adding them to the Supreme Court. “This law will do the important work of protecting these kids from those who wish to harm them with guns by putting them on the bench of the U.S. Supreme Court,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), explaining the children would have the same 24/7 Secret Service detail that is offered to all justices, agents who are willing to take a bullet for the youth when they’re at the playground, a public pool, or school. “Now that these children are members of the highest court in the land, they will no longer have to worry about a rogue gunman taking their lives. This law could protect millions of children, as anyone who is found carrying a firearm in their near vicinity will be immediately detained and face criminal charges.” At press time, Pelosi emphasized that the children would be forced to recuse themselves in cases involving gun rights, due to a conflict of interest.
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Patrick S. Tomlinson @stealthygeek tweeted:

Whenever abortion comes up, I have a question I've been asking for ten years now of the "Life begins at Conception" crowd. In ten years, no one has EVER answered it honestly. 1/
7:34 PM · Oct 16, 2017·Twitter Web Client
https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/920085535984668672

It's a simple scenario with two outcomes. No one ever wants to pick one, because the correct answer destroys their argument. And there IS a correct answer, which is why the pro-life crowd hates the question. 2/

Here it is. You're in a fertility clinic. Why isn't important. The fire alarm goes off. You run for the exit. As you run down this hallway, you hear a child screaming from behind a door. You throw open the door and find a five-year-old child crying for help. 3/

They're in one corner of the room. In the other corner, you spot a frozen container labeled "1000 Viable Human Embryos." The smoke is rising. You start to choke. You know you can grab one or the other, but not both before you succumb to smoke inhalation and die, saving no one. 4/

Do you A) save the child, or B) save the thousand embryos? There is no "C." "C" means you all die.

In a decade of arguing with anti-abortion people about the definition of human life, I have never gotten a single straight A or B answer to this question. And I never will. 5/

They will never answer honestly, because we all instinctively understand the right answer is "A." A human child is worth more than a thousand embryos. Or ten thousand. Or a million. Because they are not the same, not morally, not ethically, not biologically. 6/

This question absolutely eviscerates their arguments, and their refusal to answer confirms that they know it to be true.

No one, anywhere, actually believes an embryo is equivalent to a child. That person does not exist. They are lying to you. 7/

They are lying to you to try and evoke an emotional response, a paternal response, using false-equivalency.

No one believes life begins at conception. No one believes embryos are babies, or children. Those who claim to are trying to manipulate you so they can control women. 8/

Don't let them. Use this question to call them out. Reveal them for what they are. Demand they answer your question, and when they don't, slap that big ol' Scarlet P of the Patriarchy on them. The end. 9/9

Because a lot of people are missing the point, it is not being argued the embryos are not alive. Nor is it being argued they are without value.

All that is being demonstrated is their value is not equal to that of a human child. That's it. That's the point.

Thank you to everyone in the comments twisting in the wind to find a way to avoid answering the question, just as I said you would. Your help proving my point is greatly appreciated.

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GOP Senators blocked a bill allowing women free rights to interstate travel.

The eight-page bill would make it unlawful for a person or a government official to prevent or punish traveling across state lines "to receive or provide reproductive health care that is legal in that State." It also would bar states from imposing laws that prohibit women from traveling to other states to get abortions.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-block-bill-prote
cting-women-travel-states-abortion-rcna38301

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Friday, July 15, 2022 8:47 AM

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GOP Senators blocked a bill allowing women free rights to interstate travel.


Ummmmm...

That's not what they did.

There's not a single American citizen that isn't under house arrest that isn't 100% free to travel to any state they wanted to at this very moment. They don't even need a passport!




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Friday, July 15, 2022 2:27 PM

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Oh. BTW... have you explained to the blacks and Latinos how sending $40 Billion to Ukraine was in their best interests yet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-40-billion-dollars-ukraine-ai
d-south-korea-trip/

Tick Tock

Sending $40 billion or $40 trillion or $40 bazillion would NOT decrease what goes to other projects. Congress has infinite dollars.


This is all you need to know about Second.

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"We will not rest, we will not weary until we abolish abortion nationally as unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment," Americans United For Life board member Chad Pecknold said.

https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/1548017620384747521

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There's not a single American citizen that isn't under house arrest that isn't 100% free to travel to any state they wanted to at this very moment. They don't even need a passport!
“I think states are not going to rest with just saying ‘there won’t be abortions in our state.’ I think they’re going to want to ban abortion for their citizens as much as they can, which would mean stopping them from traveling,” said David Cohen, professor at Drexel University’s Kline School of Law.

“We’re going to see state-against-state battles that are really going to divide this country even deeper on this issue,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/us-abortions-travel-wave
-of-restrictions

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's not a single American citizen that isn't under house arrest that isn't 100% free to travel to any state they wanted to at this very moment. They don't even need a passport!
“I think states are not going to rest with just saying ‘there won’t be abortions in our state.’ I think they’re going to want to ban abortion for their citizens as much as they can, which would mean stopping them from traveling,” said David Cohen, professor at Drexel University’s Kline School of Law.

“We’re going to see state-against-state battles that are really going to divide this country even deeper on this issue,” he said.


That doesn't change the facts. Nobody is prohibiting anybody from traveling.

Now traveling to get your baby murdered? Fine. But that's NOT what the intentionally poorly written article is claiming. And most people are stupid and only read the headline, which in this case is another complete fabrication.


In any event. I don't agree with it. There was nothing stopping me from taking the short jaunt across the border to Indiana to buy cheap cigarettes and gas back when I lived in Illinois many years ago. If I smoked weed today, there'd be nothing stopping me from driving the short distance to Illinois and buying a whole bunch legally and bringing it back home (as long as I wasn't recklessly driving and didn't get pulled over and searched when I got back to Indiana, at least).


My only dog in this race is that I don't want any state, local or federal tax dollars going to pay for the procedures. But that being said, I don't even agree with states making legislature completely banning the practice in the first place.

But this is the type of shit that happens when you go from Safe, Legal and Rare to downright celebrating it and living in a world where the grossest women alive are online keeping score of how many they've had.

Stop catering the the fucking wack-jobs on the far-left of the spectrum. Call out their bullshit. Don't allow them to continually normalize things like this.

Sanity is somewhere in the middle.

But Democrats have had the lunatics running things for well over a decade now and everybody is getting really fucking sick of their shit.

Even a lot of Democrats.

SPOILER ALERT: Not EVERYTHING is right when it comes out of the lips of somebody representing your Party. Your blind partisanship will be the undoing of the Democratic Party, possibly forever.

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That doesn't change the facts. Nobody is prohibiting anybody from traveling.

Now traveling to get your baby murdered? Fine. But that's NOT what the intentionally poorly written article is claiming. And most people are stupid and only read the headline, which in this case is another complete fabrication.


In any event. I don't agree with it. There was nothing stopping me from taking the short jaunt across the border to Indiana to buy cheap cigarettes and gas back when I lived in Illinois many years ago. If I smoked weed today, there'd be nothing stopping me from driving the short distance to Illinois and buying a whole bunch legally and bringing it back home (as long as I wasn't recklessly driving and didn't get pulled over and searched when I got back to Indiana, at least).


My only dog in this race is that I don't want any state, local or federal tax dollars going to pay for the procedures. But that being said, I don't even agree with states making legislature completely banning the practice in the first place.

But this is the type of shit that happens when you go from Safe, Legal and Rare to downright celebrating it and living in a world where the grossest women alive are online keeping score of how many they've had.

Stop catering the the fucking wack-jobs on the far-left of the spectrum. Call out their bullshit. Don't allow them to continually normalize things like this.

Sanity is somewhere in the middle.

But Democrats have had the lunatics running things for well over a decade now and everybody is getting really fucking sick of their shit.

Even a lot of Democrats.

SPOILER ALERT: Not EVERYTHING is right when it comes out of the lips of somebody representing your Party. Your blind partisanship will be the undoing of the Democratic Party, possibly forever.
Nice rant, 6ix, but I've heard it all before. Not from you, but from my brother-in-law and his younger brother. I wrote a rant about that only two day ago: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=11589
29#1158929

To make a long story short, it never ends well for people who rant like you. For example, one step along the road to the ranting younger brother's doom was where he located his restaurant. I talked to him about how many other restaurants had failed at that exact same spot. He comes back with the reply that his establishment will be different. I tell him that restaurants serving Mexican food are NOT different. He replies that his will have an Irish bar! My reply was that jamming two ideas that frequently fail into one restaurant will not increases the chances of success. I did not invest in that restaurant because I couldn't trust that guy to correct himself when he makes a bad decision. The restaurant failed, but the younger brother would not admit failure until he was bankrupt. He could have shutdown at the end of his first lease, but he renewed in hopes that the next year his bad ideas would become good.

The now dead younger brother (who I will always remember as ranting and raving just like 6ix) drives home a lesson that people who think they are sane and competent, but do stupid things, are not sane no matter how loudly they insist they know what they are doing. 6ix, you only have two choices: Democrats or Republicans and I know perfectly well what the GOP is and who the people are that vote for Trump. On the other hand, Democrats are a mixture, some good, some bad. When I only have two choices, and I know for sure which choice will never admit they made a mistake, as in the case of that restaurant, I will go with the better choice. Until the USA establishes a third party that can get elected, rather than a two party system, the decision is easy.

It is easy to know where GOP stands on abortion. The GOP made a bad decision and it will never correct itself because "abortion is murder". It's not, but the GOP is crazy, exactly the same as the younger brother was crazy about a Mexican food restaurant with an Irish bar attached, all at the wrong location.

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How the Supreme Court recalibrated the abortion debate in just 3 words

It's not just that US Supreme Court majorities upheld Mississippi's 15-week abortion ban and overturned Roe v. Wade. The opinion also skewed the crux of the conversation going forward -- with just three words.

"Unborn human being" is the term Associate Justice Samuel Alito adopted from the Mississippi statute, thereby replacing the key phrase in the landmark 1973 Roe ruling that spelled out a constitutional right to abortion: "potential life." It may seem like a semantic argument. Experts say it's anything but.

Alito didn't write God or Christianity or Bible anywhere in the opinion, but his justification is a veiled "religious narrative," said Rebecca Todd Peters, a religious studies professor at Elon University. By co-opting the language in Mississippi's law in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, the majority opinion gives credence to the notion -- embraced largely by the religious right -- that life begins at fertilization, she said. The ruling has already emboldened several states to ban and criminalize the medical procedure in almost all circumstances.

"That is an enormous shift," Peters said. "It erases whole groups of people who have different religious beliefs."

Various religions have relied on a range of wayposts, including fertilization, quickening (when the mother feels the fetus moving), when the embryo develops a heartbeat, ensoulment and birth.

Confounding matters is that, just like in Christian sects, there are chasms of disagreement among other religions -- not only regarding personhood but also a woman's bodily autonomy -- making holy texts a troublesome barometer for whether abortion should be outlawed. Worse, said Peters, is that by co-opting the term, "unborn human being," it signals "which religious voices get authority and power in our country."

"We've allowed a minority religious belief to curtail the rights of the majority of women in the country. I feel like I'm in the middle of a dystopian novel."

More than 50 religious groups sought to make this clear to the high court last year, filing a friend-of-the-court brief explaining religious traditions have various views of when life begins, affirm a woman's "moral right" to decide when to terminate pregnancy and stand by "the importance of ensuring reproductive choice for women in marginalized communities who are disproportionately harmed by the ban."

"By prohibiting abortions beyond 15 weeks gestation, the Ban precludes women from making that choice in accordance with their own moral, spiritual, and religious beliefs, which this Court has recognized as a constitutional right," the brief said.

The attitude that a woman would have to justify her decision to others is "rooted in religion," Peters said. It robs women of their autonomy and espouses a narrow, archaic view of Christianity that has long been malappropriated to dictate "women are to be subservient and meant to be child bearers," she said.

Religions and religious people vary widely

A Gallup poll in May -- before Roe's reversal -- found 55% of Americans identified as "pro-choice," while 39% said they're "pro-life." Only 13% of Americans said abortions should be prohibited across the board, and 53% said abortions should be legal in most or all circumstances, Gallup reported.

Breaking the percentages down by dogma demonstrates only a handful of groups -- Jehovah's Witnesses (68%), Mormons (66%) White evangelical Protestants (65%), Hispanic Protestants (58%) and Hispanic Catholics (52%) -- count a majority of members as opposing abortion, the nonprofit Public Religion Research Institute found in 2018.

Catholics have long driven the debate on abortion -- and five Catholics and a justice who was raised Catholic upheld Mississippi's 15-week ban -- even as the institute's data suggests 52% of White Catholics are OK with legal abortion. (It is worth noting Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor broke with her fellow Catholics in Dobbs.)

87% of agnostics and 97% of atheists expressed support for abortion in all or most cases, the Pew Research Center reported this year.

Much more at https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/17/us/abortion-religion-dobbs-roe/index.ht
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Life does begin at fertilization, you dumb shit.

Science will tell you that. You don't need to believe in fairy tales.


For the so-called party of Trust the Science, you guys rarely ever do, do you?

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Nice rant, 6ix, but I've heard it all before. Not from you, but from my brother-in-law and his younger brother. I wrote a rant about that only two day ago: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64887&mid=11589
29#1158929


Only two day ago, huh? DURRRRR!

And " jamming two ideas that frequently fail into one restaurant will not increases the chances of success.".

What's wrong with you? Are you having a stroke?


You have to be married to have a brother-in-law. You're not married.

Second is a poorly written character.

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And " jamming two ideas that frequently fail into one restaurant will not increases the chances of success.".

What's wrong with you? Are you having a stroke?
This restaurant sold both food and alcohol in the bar and needed both halves of the business to be successful. I can see that 6ix is under the same delusion as my brother-in-law's dead brother -- that if either food or alcohol is successful, the restaurant as a whole will be successful. The dead man couldn't understand, even while he was losing money steadily, that his restaurant would fail unless he got both halves of his business working as they should. Not to mince words, he was too stupid to run a business. 6ix, don't go into business. You're the same kind of guy who can't understand.

6ix, you also didn't understand what the Supreme Court did when it used the three words: "unborn human being". Once five Catholic Justices and a 6ixth Justice who was raised as a Catholic but became a Episcopalian, used those three words in their decision, inserting Catholic religious doctrine into United States law, it logically follows that any zygote, any embryo, any fetus is an "unborn human being" and therefore any abortion at any time is capital murder if a state legislature feels like declaring it to be murder. If Congress in DC decided to make it murder, Federal prosecutors in all 50 states and the territories would be filing federal murder charges against any woman who had an abortion. Oh well. Mistakes happen. Too bad if those three words "unborn human being" rip the country into pieces.
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The Catechism contains only six paragraphs on abortion, including: “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.” . . . Many church officials and antichoice Catholics now focus on the argument that the fetus is a person from the moment of conception.
https://time.com/4045227/the-catholic-case-for-abortion-rights/
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Abortion

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.
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Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:55 PM

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Nah. Read it again.

One of two things happened with you today.

1. You let Ted write your post.

OR

2. You had a stroke.



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Sunday, July 17, 2022 10:57 PM

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Meanwhile, keep on posting your dumb shit man. Nobody cares.

Democrats are finished. You will never see them in power again in your lifetime.

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The Real Reason Why the GOP Is Passing Abortion Bans Without Exceptions for Rape

When did these exceptions start to fall out of favor among Republican lawmakers?

After Brett Kavanaugh was confirmed to the Supreme Court in 2018, you see this explosion of laws without rape or incest exceptions. This generation of laws — the so-called “heartbeat bills” — ban abortion at six weeks, and most did not have rape or incest exceptions. That’s a direct response to the changing of the Supreme Court. Previously, Republican legislators had a sense that pushing too hard on unpopular things like abolishing rape or incest exceptions could make it harder to reverse Roe. But they read Kavanaugh’s confirmation as a sign that Roe would go anyway.

The GOP has taken a extreme hardline stance against reproductive rights.

The GOP became much more beholden to the anti-abortion movement and much less concerned about competition because of a combination of political polarization, gerrymandering, limits on access to the vote. These are essentially one-party states. Republican politicians aren’t worried these positions will be unpopular with voters because voters wouldn’t elect Democrats anyway.

In other words, anti-abortion advocates stop hiding the ball.

In about half the country, maybe more, the GOP can just say whatever they want. Even if voters don’t like it, voters won’t actually do anything about it.

When the 10-year-old child in Ohio was raped and forced across state lines, Jim Bopp defended the idea that she should carry pregnancy to term. Jim Bopp had previously been the leading figure of the cautious, pragmatic wing of the movement. He had flown down to Ohio to testify against a heartbeat bill.

More at https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/07/10-year-old-girl-rape-ohio
-abortion-incest-life-exceptions.html

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LOL

Nobody cares about abortion dude.



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LOL

Nobody cares about abortion dude.
6ix, run a test. Stop going out. Stop eating. If anybody asks how you are, tell them you have never been better. Since Indiana is Trumptard country, 6ix, you will discover that nobody cares what happens to you, even your death, so long as you keep croaking out to them how great things are going for you while you slowly grow weaker and weaker from lack of food. I've heard the same story told over and over about East Texans who have given up the will to live. Nobody comes to save them. Nobody cares or even notices they died for months until their mail box is full, their grass isn't mowed, and they haven't paid their tax bills and the police search the house. That's how things go in Trumptard country. But at least the Trump-loving politicians are in total control of East Texas Trump country.

6ix, start your weight-loss program! I have a warm and fuzzy feeling about how this ends for you -- in silence, slowly returning to the Earth the elements you were made from.

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LOL

Nobody cares about abortion dude.
6ix, run a test. Stop going out. Stop eating. If anybody asks how you are, tell them you have never been better. Since Indiana is Trumptard country, 6ix, you will discover that nobody cares what happens to you, even your death, so long as you keep croaking out to them how great things are going for you while you slowly grow weaker and weaker from lack of food. I've heard the same story told over and over about East Texans who have given up the will to live. Nobody comes to save them. Nobody cares or even notices they died for months until their mail box is full, their grass isn't mowed, and they haven't paid their tax bills and the police search the house. That's how things go in Trumptard country. But at least the Trump-loving politicians are in total control of East Texas Trump country.

6ix, start your weight-loss program! I have a warm and fuzzy feeling about how this ends for you -- in silence, slowly returning to the Earth the elements you were made from.


Why on earth would I do any of that? I'm one of the only people in this country winning right now. Soon I get to buy all the used stuff that people bought on credit as they sell everything that isn't nailed down to buy food and put gas in their cars to get to work.

I'm also getting to witness the end of the Democratic Party right now.

You're losing more ground every day. Soon you will be irrelevant.

These are wonderful times. Keep that inflation coming Joe, and watch your entire Leftist agenda fall apart before your very eyes.





P.S. Unlike you toward me, I don't wish death on you, psycho. Please get some help before you hurt yourself.

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There’s a Way to Appeal Dobbs.

In Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the U.S. Supreme Court jettisoned the guarantee of abortion care, triggering a cataclysm of state bans—and it did so while trivializing and dismissing the profound consequences for pregnant people. But the Supreme Court need not have the final word on the case.

By centering the human rights of those marginalized by the Supreme Court, counsel for the pro-choice litigants can effectively appeal the Dobbs decision: Counsel can file a petition with the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights, the multilateral body tasked with promoting human rights across the Americas. Even if the U.S. does not ultimately implement the commission’s ruling, bringing the case to this body could prove to be a potent strategy in the fight for reproductive justice.

The commission is more than 60 years old and based in Washington D.C., although domestic awareness of its existence and functions is minimal (by contrast, the commission is a household name in many Latin American countries). One of the body’s main functions is to adjudicate cases brought against member countries that have violated human rights standards. In general, a case is only admissible once the violating country’s highest court has rendered a decision; indeed, the commission is designed to be a forum of last resort.

If counsel files a petition, assuming it meets all of the technical requirements, the commission will review the Supreme Court’s decision, as well as the actions (and non-actions) of other government organs. The U.S. will submit multiple rounds of briefing trying to defend the country’s rollback of abortion care. The commission will then issue its own decision, explaining the pertinent human rights dimensions and likely ordering an array of remedial measures.

Although the U.S. regularly participates in commission proceedings, administrations of every political stripe have posited that the country is not bound by the body’s rulings. In all probability, the government will not treat the commission’s decision as legal authority, and there is no enforcement mechanism to compel implementation.

There are at least three reasons why counsel should consider bringing the case anyway.

First, a decision by the commission would help reframe access to abortion care from an issue of purported originalist interpretation to one of basic human dignity. Human rights standards seek to codify our innate and inalienable dignity—which the government cannot take away. The panoply of human rights supporting access to abortion care include the right to equality and non-discrimination; the right to health; the right to be free from torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment; the right to enjoy the benefits of scientific progress; and the right to life (despite international lobbying efforts by anti-choice movements attempting to coopt this right). A ruling from the commission elucidating how the Dobbs decision violates these rights would provide normative validation that abortion bans are an affront to the inherent dignity of pregnant people. Such validation could help shore up resistance and serve as a bulwark against settling into the current reality as a “new normal.”

Second, the case could bolster recent commission jurisprudence and advocacy movements promoting access to abortion care throughout the Americas. While the international human rights system, on balance, has been explicit in supporting access to abortion care, Inter-American bodies have been relatively loath to confront the issue. Their circumspection tracks the refusal of several member countries to legalize abortion. In recent years, however, local advocacy efforts have brought about greater legalization in Mexico, Argentina and Colombia, among other countries. Progress at the national level has coincided with (and possibly emboldened) official statements and a case against El Salvador in which the commission squarely addressed governmental strictures on abortion. The commission explained that such strictures implicate a range of human rights and that countries cannot reverse existing access to abortion. While any type of litigation carries some risk of a less-than-ideal ruling (and while only a few years ago this risk may have militated against seeking the commission’s review), the body has now signaled that it is a hospitable forum for abortion cases. Bringing Dobbs to the commission could help solidify access to abortion care as a regional human rights concern—one that countries must provide to their residents without any type of regression.

Third, elevating the case to the commission may help galvanize action by the executive branch. International human rights law looks at a country’s impact as a whole; government organs cannot point fingers at each other to evade accountability. Thus, the State Department, which litigates commission cases on behalf of the U.S., may need to answer for the Supreme Court’s decision, states’ (particularly Mississippi’s) abortion bans and the failures of other organs to pursue corrective measures. This awkward posture could motivate the Biden administration to do more to protect access to abortion care, including declaring a public health emergency and asserting FDA preemption over abortion pills. Pressures from other countries, media outlets and reproductive justice advocates scrutinizing the case could provide further motivation to explore all viable options.

These potential benefits support appealing Dobbs to the commission. Counsel has six months from the date of the Supreme Court’s decision to do so. The sooner the better because, although it can take several years to reach a decision on the merits, the commission can issue a preliminary opinion with precautionary measures within a matter of weeks.

The architects of the international human rights system intended for regional bodies, including the commission, to safeguard rights when national governments fail to ensure them. The Dobbs decision, brazen in its disregard for the human rights of pregnant people, amounts to such a failure.

This is the moment to invoke and an opportunity to engage with international human rights—a crucial last resort.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/dobbs-abortion-internation
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Republicans attack birth control, their next target

Preventive care such as birth control challenged in Texas lawsuit

The plaintiffs are represented by attorney Jonathan Mitchell, who is known as a key strategist behind the Texas abortion law passed in 2021 that bans abortions after 6 weeks of pregnancy. America First Legal Foundation, launched by former Trump administration official Stephen Miller, is also providing counsel.

"The plaintiffs seem perhaps extra motivated by the contraceptive requirement and coverage of services like PrEP," says Katie Keith, director of the Health Policy and the Law Initiative at the O'Neill Institute at Georgetown University.

More at https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/08/09/1115454627/preven
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Indiana isn't Ireland, but it heading in that direction.
OB-GYN residents want to quit in Indiana after state's abortion law, harassment - August 15, 2022
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/15/1117605629/ob-gyn-residents-want-to-qui
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The Irish Lesson by Fintan O’Toole

If the purpose of abortion bans is to actually reduce the rate at which women terminate pregnancies, the Irish experience shows how utterly ineffectual they are.

August 18, 2022 issue
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A crowd celebrating the repeal of the Eighth Amendment to the Irish Constitution, which had banned abortion, Dublin Castle, May 2018

In 1973, soon after the US Supreme Court established a right to abortion in Roe v. Wade, Charles E. Rice concluded that “the essential remedy to the abortion problem is a constitutional amendment.” Rice is an important figure in the intellectual history of the antiabortion movement that is now, with the recent overturning of Roe, enjoying its moment of triumph. He was a cofounder of the Conservative Party of New York State, formed by those who considered the Republican Party too liberal; one of his scholarly tracts is an attack on the Voting Rights Act of 1965. As a professor of constitutional law, he established Notre Dame University in Indiana as a redoubt of the conservative Catholic legal thinking whose influence most fully blossomed when Donald Trump appointed Rice’s colleague and associate Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

But back in 1973 Rice despaired of the possibility that even a Republican-dominated Supreme Court would overturn Roe. He hoped instead for a constitutional amendment that would be “unequivocal” in outlawing both abortion and all forms of contraception that could be deemed to be “abortifacient”: “In order to prevent the licensing and legal distribution of abortifacients, the constitutional amendment on abortion must prohibit abortion at every stage beginning with the moment of conception.”

In the US, this was pure fantasy. The social and political conditions necessary for the passage of such a constitutional amendment did not exist. At the time, even evangelical Christians were reluctant to engage with the question of abortion, which they tended to see as a peculiarly (and suspiciously) Catholic obsession. But there was a place where Rice’s idea could be tried out: Ireland. In 1981 and 1982, when right-wing Irish Catholic activists were teasing out the wording of a proposed antiabortion amendment to the country’s constitution, Rice was the man whose advice and guidance they followed most closely. These campaigners sought and received Rice’s approval of the text that became, in 1983, the Eighth Amendment. For the Catholic conservatives who then seemed to be on the wrong side of US history, victory in Ireland was a harbinger of a possible American future. Now that they are, apparently, on the right side of American history, they might do well to remember that their Irish victory turned out to be pyrrhic.

These American conservatives were interested in Ireland partly because many of them (Rice included) were Irish Americans and partly because the old country offered the prospect of an easy win. As an example of preaching to the choir, sending conservative Catholic missionaries from the US to Ireland would be hard to better. Divorce was outlawed, not just by statute but in the text of the Irish constitution. The importation and sale of contraceptives was banned. The laws against “gross indecency” under which Oscar Wilde had been persecuted in England in 1895 were still in force in Ireland. Having or performing an abortion was punishable by life imprisonment.

Ireland was one place where the rot (as they saw it) of permissiveness had not yet set in. There was still, in the English-speaking world, one island of sanctity, one place where church and state were still so entwined that government could be relied on to enforce religious dogmas as civil and criminal law. If Ireland could continue to hold its head above the rising waters of depravity and decadence, the tide of sexual and reproductive reform then sweeping the Western world could be held back—and ultimately turned. As Rice had put it in 1973, quoting an earlier antiabortion ideologue, “It is of transcendent importance that there be in this chaotic world one high spot, however small, which is against the deluge of immorality that is sweeping over us.”

One purpose of this missionary effort was to scare Irish women off the Pill. The first of the American speakers to tour Ireland after Roe v. Wade was Herbert Ratner, a distinguished Chicago-based physician and Catholic convert who warned his audiences that the Pill was “chemical warfare against women.” Speaking in Cork in September 1976, he listed seventy-four of the Pill’s side effects, among them “the loss of sexual pleasure, depression, psychiatric illness, diabetes, obesity, sterility, fibroids, uterine cancer, hair loss and chromosomal damage.” He added that “when you have migraine and you’re on the Pill you’re in immediate danger of a stroke.”

But the other aim was to make abortion into something it had never yet been in Ireland: a political issue. It was already outlawed by Victorian legislation that remained in force from the nineteenth century, when Ireland was still part of the United Kingdom. No significant political party was in favor of repealing these laws. A small number of radicals argued for abortion rights, but most feminists and liberals were far more concerned with contraception, divorce, and other forms of legalized discrimination against women. What mattered for the Americans, however, was not this indigenous Irish reality but the possibility that Ireland could provide a vicarious triumph to boost their own morale and give them hope for the future.

In November 1973 an American Catholic priest, Father Paul Marx, arrived at Dublin airport. In his hand luggage were three bottles—each containing what he said was the fetus of an aborted baby. As an Irish newspaper reported, “The little bodies in Father Marx’s bag were aged between 10 and 16 weeks. All were perfectly formed human shapes.” Marx landed in Dublin on the same day that Mary McGee, a married mother of four children who had suffered strokes during her pregnancies, was beginning a legal challenge in the Irish Supreme Court to the government’s seizure of some contraceptive jelly she had attempted to import the previous year. He toured Ireland twice in 1973. Catholic religious orders gave him access to their schools, where he displayed to the students color slides of what he said was an abortion, as well as fetuses in bottles.

By 1976, when he returned to Ireland, Marx had replaced the slides with a film, depicting (according to contemporary newspaper reports) “an actual abortion with the sucking out of the uterus. What was taken from it was poured through a sieve and then the camera zoomed in on decapitated [sic] limbs.” If young audiences were traumatized by these images, the effect was deliberate. Marx insisted that “it was impossible to get through to people unless you shocked them.” At a Marx demonstration in the Mercy convent in Galway, for instance, “a number of people became ill.” The head nun acknowledged that the film was “gruesome” but insisted that showing it was still “worthwhile” as a warning of the “danger and challenges” of “an increasingly promiscuous society.” The point was to instill, especially in teenage girls, a horror not just of abortion but of the alleged results of sexual laxity.

The underlying fixation of these pioneers of the American antiabortion movement remains familiar in the worldview of the far right in the United States and Europe: the allegedly catastrophic decline of white populations. (Hence Republican congresswoman Mary Miller recently hailing the overturning of Roe v. Wade as a “historic victory for white life.”) Abortion was, for them, no more or less evil than contraception—both had the effect of limiting the necessary production of white babies. Ireland’s crushing of women’s reproductive rights had the desirable effect of forcing them to produce large families, making the country an exception that (in this way of thinking) ought to be the rule. Marx, himself born into a Catholic family of seventeen children in Minnesota, claimed that “Ireland is the only developed country with a good reproductive birth rate. All other developed countries are dying out. It would be a shame if Ireland would follow suit and legalize abortion.”

What was seldom said, however, was that Ireland actually had special incentives for women to have abortions in secret. Although attitudes were changing in the 1970s and early 1980s, Ireland’s systems of organized repression against women who became pregnant outside marriage were still very much intact. Girls and women who were judged to pose a moral danger to themselves or others were incarcerated as “penitents,” often with no legal process, in the Magdalene laundries where they had to perform slave labor under harsh conditions. (The last of these institutions did not close until 1996.)

In August 1982 Eileen Flynn was dismissed from her job as an English and history teacher at the Holy Faith convent in John F. Kennedy’s ancestral hometown of New Ross, County Wexford. She was unmarried but had recently given birth to a baby son and was living with the baby’s father. When she appealed her dismissal to the courts, the judge, in his ruling, expressed the view that the nuns had in fact been “far too lenient” in not sacking Flynn earlier. He told Flynn that she was fortunate because “in other places women are being condemned to death for this sort of offence.” The implicit message to any woman who became pregnant out of wedlock was that she should find a way to terminate her pregnancy without letting anyone know. Thousands of Irish women were in fact doing this, going quietly to England for abortions. None of them, at that time, spoke about it.

In 1981, when I was beginning to work as a freelance journalist in Dublin, I saw a poster in my neighborhood advertising a public meeting. Its purpose was to demand that Ireland hold a referendum to insert into its constitution a clause guaranteeing the protection of the “unborn” from the moment of conception. I went, with my girlfriend, to the venue for the meeting: a grand Georgian house on extensive grounds called Temple Hill. It had a two-story modern annex that I thought was a small hospital for infants. It was actually a kind of storage facility for babies whose mothers had, under moral and verbal duress, signed away their parental rights. The infants were kept there while they waited for adoption by good Catholic parents, some of them American. Often, the birth mother’s name was erased from the birth certificate, as if she had never existed. This, for women who were pregnant and unmarried, was the official Irish alternative to abortion.

Temple Hill was run by an order of nuns, the Sisters of Charity. I didn’t realize it then, but one of their customers was the best-known priest in Ireland, Michael Cleary, an exuberant media performer who had acted as emcee when Pope John Paul II conducted a vast open-air mass for hundreds of thousands of young people in Galway in 1979. Cleary had impregnated his twenty-year-old lover, Phyllis Hamilton. After she gave birth to their son Michael Ivor in 1970, Cleary baptized him and then a friend of his drove mother and child to Temple Hill.

According to Hamilton in her memoir Secret Love (1995), “I felt powerless to protest; I had no control over what was happening.” She surrendered her baby to a nun “like I was handing over my soul.” Three weeks later, when she hadn’t yet signed adoption papers, she changed her mind and wanted to keep her baby after all. Calling Temple Hill to explain this, she was told by the woman who answered the phone (almost certainly a nun), “You selfish little bitch. That baby has gone to a very good home and you should be very grateful.” When Hamilton told Cleary she wanted to keep the baby he “went into a rage…and told me how immature I was.” She signed the adoption papers.

At the antiabortion meeting I attended in 1981 the superior, Sister Frances, sat at the top table. Facing her was a row of young nurses in high-necked, starched white uniforms with pointy white headdresses. After the speakers warned of the moral danger facing Ireland and urged the crowd to demand a “pro-life” referendum, someone from the campaign asked for volunteers. After a short silence, Sister Frances the head nun pointed to individual young nurses and volunteered them as activists. None of them spoke a word. They just signed their names on the sheet.

It seemed grimly obvious to me then that, although this idea of writing into the constitution a ban on a procedure that was already banned by law was absurd, the referendum would be held, and it would pass. Abortion was being transformed, as it would be in America, from a physical reality into a marker of identity. Majority identity in Ireland at the time was still defined by loyalty to orthodox Catholicism. The actual experiences of women who had abortions—their lives, their situations, their concrete choices—were successfully occluded. Life as it was really lived in Ireland would not weigh very heavily in the scales against “Life” as a concept that one could be “pro.” The satisfaction of declaring to the world that the unholy writ of Roe v. Wade would never be followed on our side of the Atlantic gave Catholic Ireland an inflated sense of its own importance.

Michael Woods, the minister for health in the Irish government that introduced legislation for the antiabortion referendum, asked the parliament in Dublin to note that “the experience in America is particularly relevant. There are those who say that there has been an American holocaust.” Woods seemed to suggest that Ireland could lead the way to America’s salvation: “If we as a people mark our respect for the life and dignity of the unborn, who knows what ripples may flow throughout the world which has lost its reverence for life in the womb.”

During the referendum campaign, American antiabortion groups sent speakers and organizers to Ireland. The US Conference of Catholic Bishops shipped color brochures showing “the horrors of abortion” and Marx’s organization, Human Life International, sent thousands of direct mail solicitations to Irish American and US Catholic groups seeking funds for the Irish cause. These efforts were unnecessary: the constitutional amendment was passed by two to one, an outcome that was never really in doubt. At least one Western democratic state had drawn a line: there would never, ever, be abortion in Ireland.

From the point of view of American Catholic conservatives, this triumph was an experiment conducted in perfect laboratory conditions, a battle fought on favorable ground and against negligible enemies. But it didn’t work. It failed in its own specific purpose, which was to stop Irish women having abortions. And it failed in its wider mission. The idea behind the constitutional amendment of 1983 was to use the emotive issue of abortion as a bulwark against social change. It was intended to control the future, to project the power of conservative Catholicism forward into the distant decades. It was meant to act as an impassible boundary beyond which Ireland could never go. Instead, it served only to discredit the very ideology it was supposed to bolster. It caused great misery. It sustained a culture of shame and silence. It even killed some women. But it did all this, in the end, for nothing. Even from the point of view of those who most passionately believed in it, this reactionary project proved to be abortive.

What happened in Ireland after the constitutional coup of 1983 exposed the three great problems of legal bans on abortion. The first of these is bodily reality. Prohibition is as successful in this arena of human life as it has been for alcohol and drugs. It doesn’t diminish the number of pregnancies that women cannot or do not want to bring to term. In 1985, after the Eighth Amendment had passed, 3,888 Irish women were recorded as having abortions in Britain. By 1991 the number was 4,154; by 2001 it was 6,673. The numbers began to diminish somewhat thereafter, but only because Irish women were finding ways to procure abortion pills without leaving the country. If the purpose of abortion bans is to actually reduce the rate at which women terminate pregnancies, the Irish experience shows how utterly ineffectual they are. Some poor, vulnerable, or very young women and girls can be forced to carry babies they do not want, but a policy that depends for its success on female impoverishment and powerlessness is not easy to sustain in an open society.

The second problem highlighted by the Irish case is that, for the antiabortion project, absolutism is both imperative and impossible. The ideological core of the movement is the (relatively recent) Catholic theological dogma that the human person comes fully into existence at the precise moment of the fertilization of the ovum. From then on, the zygote has the same moral standing, and the same rights in law, as every other human being, especially its mother.

This belief may seem absurd to those who do not share it, but for those who do, it imposes a duty to be extreme. There is no acceptable moderate response to mass slaughter. Analogies with the Holocaust are commonplace in antiabortion literature: Rice, for example, maintained that the principle of allowing abortion if a child would be born with severe defects was “the same as that which underlay the Nazi extermination of the Jews.” These comparisons are, to those who assent to their validity, coercive—if you accept them, nuance and restraint are terrible moral failures. Even draconian laws are justified to prevent this mass extermination. Any shade of gray blurs the black-and-white vision on which the antiabortion argument rests.

The difficulty is that this necessary extremism is also, in a democracy, politically unsustainable. Even in Catholic Ireland in 1983, the antiabortion campaigners could not draft an absolutist ban on abortion in all circumstances. They conceded, with Rice’s approval, to a formula in which the Irish state would guarantee “the right to life of the unborn,” but with “due regard to the equal right to life of the mother.” This was extreme enough in itself—there was no exception even for rape or incest. But it was still fatal to the whole project. It sapped the force of absolutism. It meant that Irish courts would have to sanction abortions, albeit in the very limited circumstances where a mother was in danger of death.

The antiabortionists were blind to this contradiction because their beliefs are rooted ultimately not in law but in religious doctrine. Catholicism has a neat way out of the dilemma. If a doctor removes a fetus from a woman who has, for example, an ectopic pregnancy, this is OK because the termination of the pregnancy is not the primary intention. It is merely an indirect effect—which means that the abortion is not an abortion. This casuistry is fine for theologians, but it doesn’t work for judges or doctors.

Or, of course, for pregnant women or girls whose lives are in danger. In the Irish case, the conservative triumph of the Eighth Amendment began to melt away in 1992, when the Supreme Court was faced with the case of Miss X, a fourteen-year-old girl who had become pregnant as a result of rape and wished, with the support of her parents, to have an abortion in England. A lower court, at the urging of the Irish attorney general, had ruled that Miss X should be prevented from leaving Ireland—essentially incarcerated within the country. But the Supreme Court, having heard evidence that the child was suicidal, decided that her equal right to life meant that she could, after all, travel for an abortion. It turned out that the constitutional amendment, intended to ban all abortion forever, had in fact established a right to abortion in some very limited circumstances. The conservatives were left to rail at the effects of their own handiwork, but they could never find a textual formulation that would satisfactorily obliterate in law the right to life of the mother.

Revulsion at the treatment of Miss X also forced the Irish government to put forward further constitutional amendments, including one guaranteeing access to information on abortion services abroad and another assuring women of their right to travel out of the country to have an abortion. The conservatives felt unable to oppose these amendments. To do so they would have had to argue for pregnancy tests for women leaving Ireland and for the banning of magazines or newspapers that carried information about abortion. Yet by failing to insist on precisely these measures, they lost the integrity of their argument. If abortion is murder, such radical measures would be fully justified. If they are not justified, it is not murder. In Ireland—as is now happening in the US—the conservative moral order came to be a matter of location. We won’t stop you having an abortion (and thus killing a baby) so long as you do it outside our state. If conservatives shy away from the fiercely repressive measures necessary to enforce their ideological positions, they begin to seem cynical and hypocritical. If they do not balk at outright autocracy, they seem merely mad.

The third great problem that became evident in the Irish experience is that, while poor and marginalized girls and women are the primary sacrificial victims, some middle-class, well-educated women will also end up being killed for the cause of antiabortion righteousness. By their nature, antiabortion laws cannot be clear. They bury innately complex physical, social, and psychological realities in abstract phrases that can never be adequate to the multiplicity of circumstances in which pregnant women find themselves. In Ireland the once-and-for-all constitutional amendment of 1983 spawned five more constitutional referendums and half a dozen major cases in local and European courts. Buried within this thicket of argument were women’s bodies. In 2012 a young dentist, Savita Halappanavar, died of sepsis in Galway University Hospital. She was seventeen weeks pregnant and, even though she was having a miscarriage, medical staff were afraid to intervene until they were sure that the fetus had no heartbeat, lest they be accused of having carried out an abortion.

This was the last straw. In 2018 the Irish people voted overwhelmingly to excise the Eighth Amendment from the constitution. Attempts to ban abortion did not preserve holy Catholic Ireland as an island of sanctity in the deluge of immorality. They ultimately served, rather, to force the Irish to reject the ideological system that created so many cruel hypocrisies. Arguably, the great victory of Irish and American conservatives in 1983 actually hastened the demise of Catholic Ireland by making Catholicism seem heartless, fanatical, absurd, and misogynistic. Abortion is now legal in Ireland—the beacon of morality that was meant to shine back across the Atlantic at benighted America has been turned off.

It is, for the American religious right, no longer necessary. The same is true of the amendment to the US Constitution that Rice demanded in 1973. His aims have been achieved instead by a long, slow march through the institutions of law and by the weird alliance that religious reactionaries made with Trump. But even if Ireland no longer matters much to the history of American religious conservativism, it shows them their future. For what happened to the vicarious victory of the antiabortion fanatics in Ireland in 1983 will happen to their indigenous triumph in the US Supreme Court in 2022. They will cause girls and women to suffer. They will reduce female personhood to the same level as that of a zygote. They will spread shame and silence. They will kill some women by terrifying and confusing the doctors who should be treating them. But they will not change the necessity of abortion in women’s lives. They will not be able to enforce the coercive laws that their zealotry demands. And they will not find that the fulfillment of their long-held desire puts an end to the social change they so despise. We know in Ireland that banning abortion is a line in the sand only in the sense that, like all such lines, it gets washed away by the tides of life.

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I already posted about this, stupid.


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I already posted about this, stupid.


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You missed the point that Abortion is Murder. There is no compromising with Murder or Murderers. That is the end of the story, except when law enforcement starts treating Abortion as the same as Murder. After a delay of 50 years, and many arrests and deaths, Ireland amended its Constitution so that Abortion is NOT the same as Murder. To arrive at that sane place, there had to be story after story after story for decade after decade after decade before the Irish majority would undo what should have never have become the law of Ireland in the first place.

Indiana is on the same path as Ireland, but Indiana is 50 years behind Ireland. Eventually, Indiana will very slowly figure out what the Irish figured out after 50 years of abortion laws demanding that all Irish live in a state of stupidity, nonsense, suffering and death.

Indiana becomes first state post-Roe to pass law banning most abortions
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/05/politics/indiana-state-house-abortion-b
ill/index.html

The Indiana House and Senate passed the GOP-sponsored bill earlier Friday. Just "another radical step by Republican legislators to take away women's reproductive rights and freedom, and put personal health care decisions in the hands of politicians rather than women and their doctors."

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You missed the point that Abortion is Murder.


I didn't miss that point. You just didn't put my whole quote. Allow me to put it here, with the pertinent part underlined:

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See Ted, Second and Cap'n?

THIS is how you show that you have half a brain and aren't some mindless mouthpiece for your corrupt party.

Indiana Republicans led by Holcomb really fucked the pooch here.

And it's not just political... I say all of this when you know full well what my PERSONAL opinions on abortion are regardless of what anybody on any point of the political spectrum thinks about them.


You know full well by now that I view abortion as murder. But we live in a society that for the most part doesn't agree with my opinion on this matter, so long as it's done early and it is safe, legal and rare.

I blasted the fuck out of Indiana Republicans in that post, as well as the post that came right after it. 11 whole days before you were even aware this was an issue.

Fuck Indiana Republicans. Fuck Eric Holcomb.

I voted against him.



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You know full well by now that I view abortion as murder.
Republicans in the Texas Legislature agree with you.

Texas’s penalty for rape is only 5+ years prison and a $10K fine, but under GOP’s new abortion ban, Texas’s penalty for providing an abortion to a woman impregnated by a rapist is life in prison and a $100K fine

Texas GOP: Protecting rapists, punishing doctors who support rape survivors

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https://twitter.com/QasimRashid/status/1562877925997047808

Texas’ new law prohibiting all abortions from the moment of fertilization takes effect today.

Doctors now face life in prison and at least $100,000 in penalties if they perform the procedure.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/08/25/texas-trigger-law-abortion/

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When Does Life Begin? As State Laws Define It, Science, Politics and Religion Clash

For decades, the U.S. medical system has adhered to a legally recognized standard for death, one embraced by most states. Why is a uniform standard for the start of human life proving so elusive?

After decades of deliberations involving physicians, bioethicists, attorneys, and theologians, a U.S. presidential commission in 1981 settled on a scientifically derived dividing line between life and death that has endured, more or less, ever since: A person was considered dead when the entire brain — including the brainstem, its most primitive portion — was no longer functioning, even if other vital functions could be maintained indefinitely through artificial life support.

Now, with the overturning of Roe v. Wade and dozens of states rushing to impose abortion restrictions, American society is engaged in a chaotic race to define the other pole of human existence: When exactly does human life begin? At conception, the hint of a heartbeat, a first breath, the ability to survive outside the womb with the help of the latest technology?

A legal and political maelstrom

That we've been able to devise and apply uniform clinical standards for when life ends, but not when it begins, is due largely to the legal and political maelstrom around abortion.

When life begins is up to whoever is running your state — whether you agree with them or not.

State legislators are eagerly bounding into that void, looking to codify into law assorted definitions of life that carry profound repercussions for abortion rights, birth control, and assisted reproduction, as well as civil and criminal law.

"The court said that when life begins is up to whoever is running your state — whether they are wrong or not, or you agree with them or not," said Mary Ziegler, a law professor at the University of California-Davis who has written several books on the history of abortion.

More at https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/08/27/1119684376/when-d
oes-life-begin-as-state-laws-define-it-science-politics-and-religion-clash


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Monday, August 29, 2022 1:23 PM

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If you had your way they'd be chopping off babies heads after they were born.

How many literal bodies do you have in your closet, psycho?

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Monday, August 29, 2022 3:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


According to many Republicans, human life begins at conception and ends at birth.

According to many left-wing authoritarians, many people aren't even human beings.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
According to many Republicans, human life begins at conception and ends at birth.

According to many left-wing authoritarians, many people aren't even human beings.
The implied rights held by a legally recognized zygote are potentially vast. Will death certificates be issued for every lost pregnancy? Will miscarriages be investigated by a homicide detective? When will Social Security numbers be issued? How will census counts be tallied and congressional districts drawn? Even carpooling will change:

Pregnant Texas driver argues fetus is passenger after carpool fine
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220711-pregnant-texas-driver-a
rgues-fetus-is-passenger-after-carpool-fine

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Monday, August 29, 2022 7:54 PM

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Quote:
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Pregnant Texas driver argues fetus is passenger after carpool fine
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220711-pregnant-texas-driver-a
rgues-fetus-is-passenger-after-carpool-fine


We're going to watch you fantasize that men are women and women are men and nobody who isn't a Biologist that was brainwashed in Uni is even qualified to tell you what men and women are for the last 6 years and you think anybody is going to have a problem with this one?

The Democrats and the Legacy Media are the ones who have spent over half a decade warping reality while you cheered it on. Calling certain riots insurrections while calling other, far more dangerous riots causing hundreds of millions of dollars in property damage peaceful protests.

Don't be surprised then when nothing is real anymore.

That is your legacy.




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Trends have put Republicans from Michigan to Arizona on the defensive, forcing those in competitive races who have taken rigid stances against abortion rights to soften them or risk drawing the ire of a motivated segment of the electorate.

The latest example came from Arizona Senate candidate Blake Masters, who recently scrubbed his website of his support of a "federal personhood law" and a host of other strict anti-abortion positions. Masters' website previously said he was "100% pro-life" and noted his support for a constitutional amendment that "recognizes unborn babies are human being that may not be killed" and a slew of other legislation that would make it illegal to perform an abortion.

He is far from alone, however.

Michigan congressional candidate Tom Barrett reportedly branded himself "100% pro life -- no exceptions," a position he touted on the "values" section of his campaign website. "Protecting individual rights includes protecting the unborn," the website read, adding that he and his wife had "been involved in the pro-life movement our entire lives" and pledging that as an elected leader, he will "always work to protect life from conception."

The values section from the website was scrubbed after the Kansas election on abortion rights results.

The Republican party is "trying to mislead voters and hide their deeply unpopular positions on abortion rights. They know that voters are willing to hold responsible the people who take away their rights and they are concerned about their elections," said Christina Reynolds, a top operative at Emily's List, a Democratic organization that works to elect women who support abortion rights.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/29/politics/republicans-shift-abortion-pos
itions-general-election/index.html

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trends have put Republicans from Michigan to Arizona on the defensive, forcing those in competitive races who have taken rigid stances against abortion rights to soften them or risk drawing the ire of a motivated segment of the electorate.

The latest example came from Arizona Senate candidate Blake Masters, who recently scrubbed his website of his support of a "federal personhood law" and a host of other strict anti-abortion positions. Masters' website previously said he was "100% pro-life" and noted his support for a constitutional amendment that "recognizes unborn babies are human being that may not be killed" and a slew of other legislation that would make it illegal to perform an abortion.

He is far from alone, however.


Moral of the story:

Republicans are capable of learning from their mistakes and don't continue to double down on them every fucking day like Democrats do.

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