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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Alec is an absolute jagoff... quite possibly the king of all Hollywood jagoffs, but I agree with every single word that Alan Dershowitz has to say in this article.

Unless somebody can come up with some ironclad damning evidence that he intentionally and knowingly killed Halyna Hutchins with that gun, I don't even understand why a criminal case is even taking place here. If you are going to press criminal charges against anyone in this case, it should be against the person or persons responsible for handing an actor a loaded weapon on a movie set.

Short of said evidence being brought to light, he'd better be found innocent is all I have to say.

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Originally posted by whozit:
They over charged him to get him to plead down to a lesser charge, IMHO. As ex-producer (and the douche holding the gun) he bears some responsibility.

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A woman died because Baldwin and the other investors were in a big hurry to finish a low budget flick, somebody has to answer for this.

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New Mexico prosecutors may receive some solace from a highly publicized accidental shooting case in Minnesota that resulted in the conviction and imprisonment of a police officer. Former officer Kim Potter believed she was firing a taser at a fleeing felon. But she had accidentally pulled her wrong firearm and shot the victim with live ammunition, killing him. There was no dispute that Potter shot the wrong gun by accident. So despite her long record of distinguished service to the police, she was convicted. That case is now on appeal and the conviction should be reversed, but because of the current atmosphere surrounding police shootings of African American men (the victim in the Potter case was a teenager), it is possible that the Minnesota appellate courts will come to the wrong decision.

But two wrongs do not make a right. The criminal law should be reserved for willful, deliberate, and intentional actions. At the very least, if negligence can serve as a basis for conviction, it should be the kind of negligence that the defendant could have anticipated would produce a tragic outcome.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by whozit:
They over charged him to get him to plead down to a lesser charge, IMHO. As ex-producer (and the douche holding the gun) he bears some responsibility.

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I don't see how he bears any responsibility, being either the producer or the douche holding what should have been a prop gun.

Chances are the Hollywood pussy never even held a real gun in his life and wouldn't even know the difference between a real gun and a prop gun.

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The assistant director has already pleaded guilty

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so Baldwin and the armor are likely going to have to play 'let's make a deal' with the D.A.

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The armorer alone should bear the responsibility for this, at least as criminal charges are concerned. And even those would be negligence charges, which would probably be legitimate, even if they weren't intentional, because they gave a real weapon with live ammo to an actor.

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A woman died because Baldwin and the other investors were in a big hurry to finish a low budget flick, somebody has to answer for this.

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A woman died because somebody gave Alec Baldwin a real gun with real bullets in it. That's the person who needs to answer for this.

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New Mexico prosecutors may receive some solace from a highly publicized accidental shooting case in Minnesota that resulted in the conviction and imprisonment of a police officer. Former officer Kim Potter believed she was firing a taser at a fleeing felon. But she had accidentally pulled her wrong firearm and shot the victim with live ammunition, killing him. There was no dispute that Potter shot the wrong gun by accident. So despite her long record of distinguished service to the police, she was convicted. That case is now on appeal and the conviction should be reversed, but because of the current atmosphere surrounding police shootings of African American men (the victim in the Potter case was a teenager), it is possible that the Minnesota appellate courts will come to the wrong decision.

But two wrongs do not make a right. The criminal law should be reserved for willful, deliberate, and intentional actions. At the very least, if negligence can serve as a basis for conviction, it should be the kind of negligence that the defendant could have anticipated would produce a tragic outcome.

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As far as money goes, civil suits have already begun with some settlements already taking place.



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Originally posted by whozit:
The assistant director, David Hall, pleaded guilty to 'negligent use of a deadly weapon'.

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Originally posted by whozit:
The assistant director, David Hall, pleaded guilty to 'negligent use of a deadly weapon'.

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That doesn't even make sense to me. I think that's more an example of how broken our justice system is rather than getting the right verdict.

I wonder what deal they must have offered him to cop that plea, vs. what the cost of fighting it would have been.



SOMEBODY brought a real gun with live ammunition onto the set and put it in the hands of an actor.

One of three scenarios here is true...

1. Somebody on set wanted somebody else murdered and planted the live gun AFTER the armorer had readied the prop gun and/or blank rounds. In this scenario, it probably was whoever Alec was supposed to be shooting in the scene and not the cinematographer. (Since I wasn't there and didn't see it with my own eyes, how the gun was even pointed at her still baffles me... Maybe she said something Alec didn't like and he played with the "prop" gun like a toy and pointed it at her and fired, not knowing it was a real gun because, yanno... Democrat idiots will be Democrat idiots).

2. The armorer wanted somebody else murdered and planted the live gun herself. In this scenario, it probably was whoever Alec was supposed to be shooting in the scene and not the cinematographer.

3. The armorer is an idiot who was completely unqualified to have that position and brought a real gun loaded with real bullets on set. If I remember correctly, I believe that nepotism played a role in her even getting the position. Beyond that, I'm sure she checked some woke Democrat boxes, especially with Alec Baldwin being the producer. But even in this case where Alec himself would share responsibility for hiring a woke Democrat idiot to be the armorer, it wouldn't be negligence with criminal intent.


I don't see any other scenario other than these.

Should he get off scot-free? Almost certainly not. Especially if scenario 3 is the real story.


But he shouldn't be facing criminal charges here. But I wouldn't mind seeing him have to pay Hutchins' surviving family members $5 or $10 million for their loss in a civil suit... ESPECIALLY if scenario 3 were found to be true.



ETA: But then, come to think of it, there is scenario 4... Alec Baldwin actually intended to murder Halyna Hutchins and swapped out the gun himself, having the balls to actually murder the woman on set in front of everybody and then pretend that it was an accident. Say what you want of Alec, but he is a good actor and I believe he could pull this off.

I don't know how hard it would be to prove he did this intentionally if that were the case. I don't even know if anybody has tried investigating that possibility or even considered it.


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Originally posted by whozit:
I'll go with #3,

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Three is my choice as well. I'm interested to know if you see any other plausible scenarios yourself that I missed?

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the first two and #4 read like episodes of "Columbo".

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Yeah? What better place for an episode of Columbo to play out than a shitty low-budget western written, directed and acted by Leftist douchebags?

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Like I wrote earlier, it was a low budget flick they wanted to rap ASAP, they fired the union crew because they kept complaining about the working conditions and brought in cheap non union labor.

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How very non Democrat of them.

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Also, I don't give a rats ass how good an actor Baldwin is, he's a douchebag AND a liar!

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I don't deny any of those three things.

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He said he never pulled the trigger, LIE!

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Correct. Also irrelevant, at least pertaining to this case.

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A woman is dead because 3 people never checked that gun, FACT!

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