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Saturday, January 26, 2019 7:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


You and JO took Friday off?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, January 26, 2019 7:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


BTW.... Says there are 313 posts on this thread, but my last post would only be 301 at 50 per page.

Who's deleting their posts here?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:44 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

SGG, a part of what sig tries to promote to achieve her agenda, the destruction of democratic institutions here and abroad, is anarchy. Her posts consistently promote a rebellion against any authority, established order, or ruling power in an otherwise free or global society.

Sig is desperately trying to undermine the building of a fully integrated global entity. Or, any society observing a rule of law that helps to build one. To promote her agenda she is a purveyor of conspiracy theories. Using any lies or disinformation she can to usurp the facts regarding globalization and democratic institutions. Remember her insistence America vote against The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)?

Sig deceptively argues for the transfer of power to a lower level, especially from central government to local or regional administrations. When it comes to trade or dealing with unruly governments i.e. Russia, that leads to protectionism and inaction. That's anti globalization and what the anarchist is all about.

As she does this she labels others as being the very thing she is. She is a troll. She has always been one, or she has evolved into one. Either way she is nothing more than a troll that would see America devolve or retreat from the global stage entirely if she could.

Fuck you comrade sig


T


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Saturday, January 26, 2019 8:49 AM

THG


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Originally posted by THGRRI:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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When impeachment is discussed it is with the understanding something egregious has or will occur.
THUGR you're just a fucking fascist. Most people wait until a crime has been committed BEFORE the trial. Good lord, you even post about "the rule of law" and then dismiss it completely!

I think we should arrest YOU, because I'm sure you'll do something treasonous. You're already posting about it.





13 Russians indicted.


T





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Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


highly edited - see link for entire article


The Deep State: The Headless Fourth Branch of Government

The fourth is what for decades now has been called a "headless fourth branch of government," the administrative state. ... Moreover, as the New Deal progressed, the regulatory agencies came to assume all the powers that were supposed to be reserved to the branches of government that were given specific powers in the federal constitution. "These agencies have built up a large body of administrative law which the people are obliged to obey. And not only to they make their own laws; they enforce their own laws, acting as prosecutor, jury and judge; and appeal form their decisions to the regular courts is difficult. … Thus the Constitutional separation of the three governmental powers, namely, the legislative, the executive and the judicial is entirely lost."

At the same time the regulatory administrative state was making so many gains, so was the federal government's domestic police force.

First came the Justice Department's Bureau of Investigation — later the FBI ... Over time, Hoover would work tirelessly to turn the FBI into a law unto itself, using it to blackmail politicians, harass innocent Americans, and generally twist American law and the American political system to benefit Hoover, his cronies, and the FBI itself.

Things became worse after the Second World War when Congress made permanent the intelligence agencies that had formed during the war to gather intelligence on the Axis.

These organizations — most notably the Central Intelligence Agency — would come to function virtually without oversight, with most of their activities declared too secret to endure public scrutiny. Over time, these ostensibly civilian organizations would become increasingly intertwined with the growing "special operations" arms of the Department of Defense. By the early twenty-first century, the Pentagon would develop "its own clandestine intelligence" capabilities and take over many of the "covert paramilitary activities and unconventional warfare" operations once directed by the CIA.

The strategic use of "leaks," reports, investigations, and criminal prosecutions through the Justice Department allow the intelligence organs of the United States to "nudge" policymakers in directions that service the preferred agenda of the security agencies themselves.

https://mises.org/wire/deep-state-headless-fourth-branch-government

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Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:20 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


There is of course the military-industrial complex. And the international deep-pockets Deep State, the financial sector at the moment in the ascendancy.

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Thursday, November 21, 2019 3:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


As Signy posted, America is an oligarchy.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/artic
le/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B


Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

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Sunday, December 1, 2019 11:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:

Newsweek Reporter Fired After Peddling Fake News That Trump Golfed On Thanksgiving

Newsweek has fired a reporter who penned a snarky, misleading article suggesting that President Trump spent Thanksgiving 'tweeting and golfing,' when he actually flew to Afghanistan for a surprise visit with US troops.

The fired journo, Jessica Kwong, wrote in an article entitled "How is Trump Spending Thanksgiving? Tweeting, Golfing and More," that the president "has been spending his Thanksgiving holidays at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida."

The golfing claim comes later in the article, as Kwong notes that Trump played golf on Thanksgiving Eve "from mid-morning to mid-afternoon." The headline, of course, suggests Trump golfed on Thanksgiving.

After Trump popped up in Afghanistan, Kwong and Newsweek took heat over Twitter for refusing to edit the article or delete the viral tweet promoting the lie.

This caught the attention of the Trump family, who promptly called out the beleaguered news outlet:

I thought Newsweek was out of business? https://t.co/3ro4eSJloo
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 29, 2019


Eventually, Kwong caved by deleting her tweet, and Newsweek edited the article - at first with no mention of the edit, and then an editors note only after virtually the entire piece had been rewritten.

"This story has been substantially updated and edited at 6:17 pm EST to reflect the president's surprise trip to Afghanistan. Additional reporting by James Crowley," reads the update.

"Newsweek investigated the failures that led to the publication of the inaccurate report that President Trump spent Thanksgiving tweeting and golfing rather than visiting troops in Afghanistan," a Newsweek spokesperson told The New York Post in an email. "The story has been corrected and the journalist responsible has been terminated. We will continue to review our processes and, if required, take further action."

After Trump tweeted "I thought Newsweek was out of business?," The Wrap reminds us that "The former owners of the publication and a faith-based online media company were accused of attempting to defraud lenders in an indictment filed in October 2018," adding "High-ranking editorial staffers have been leaving the publication and three senior editorial staffers were fired in retaliation for a story about a legal investigation into the company in February 2018."

Not quite out of business, but certainly not in a position to afford further reputational risk from obvious fake news.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/newsweek-reporter-fired-after-pedd
ling-fake-news-trump-golfed-thanksgiving



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Sunday, December 1, 2019 12:43 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"Newsweek investigated the failures that led to the publication of the inaccurate report that President Trump spent Thanksgiving tweeting and golfing rather than visiting troops in Afghanistan," a Newsweek spokesperson told The New York Post in an email. "The story has been corrected and the journalist responsible has been terminated. We will continue to review our processes and, if required, take further action."



Wouldn't it be great if every White House staffer, administration and cabinet member, and Trump TV "reporter" who made up shit was terminated so quickly? Trump, gone. Pence, gone. Mulvaney, gone. Conway, gone. Miller, gone...

Bravo Newsweek, for setting a higher standard for truth and accuracy than the White House (which actually isn't that hard).

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Sunday, December 1, 2019 1:06 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
MISSING IN ACTION:

Democratic Party leadership discussion of the deep state

Republican Party leadership discussion of the deep state




The Key Players In Trump’s ‘Deep State’ Conspiracy Theory Are All Republicans

WASHINGTON — The key law enforcement figures in what President Donald Trump and his allies have characterized as a “deep state” conspiracy against him are not lefties or even Democrats: They are Republicans. And Trump picked a number of them himself.

Trump and Republicans are continuing to attack the nation’s top law enforcement organizations to undermine the special counsel investigation into his campaign, which has already resulted in criminal charges against four Trump associates. But factually speaking, it’s really tough for Trump backers to credibly argue that the deck has been stacked against the president, simply based on the political leanings of the key figures in the case.

Robert Mueller III, aka “Bobby Three Sticks,” is the special counsel tasked with investigating ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. His probe is the true target of the classified memo Republicans wrote that Trump is moving to release this week.

Mueller is a Republican. After serving in Vietnam and earning a Bronze Star, Mueller became a federal prosecutor and landed at Justice Department headquarters during the George H.W. Bush administration. The younger Bush nominated him to become FBI director in 2001, and he was confirmed unanimously. The Senate liked him so much that they voted — once again unanimously — to extend his term. After he left the FBI in 2013, he joined the law firm WilmerHale as a partner.

Presumably, Mueller would have stayed in this lucrative position until retirement. But after Trump fired former FBI Director James Comey and later said he hoped it would help end the Russia probe, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had little choice but to appoint a special counsel to head the investigation. Under immense pressure to choose someone members of both parties would find credible, he chose Mueller.

For some reason, Trump thinks Rosenstein — the man he nominated as his deputy attorney general — is a Democrat. “There are very few Republicans in Baltimore, if any,” Trump told The New York Times last year as he discussed Rosenstein.

Rosenstein is not from Baltimore; he just worked out of an office there. And he is a Republican. He even wrote the memo that the White House used as justification for firing Comey over his handling of the Clinton probe, even though Trump quickly undermined it by saying it actually fired Comey because of the Russia probe.

Rosenstein has now found himself targeted by members of his own party, with his decisions reportedly questioned in the GOP-authored classified memo that Trump hopes will undermine the Russia probe.

FBI Director Christopher Wray, who angered Trump because the FBI released a statement essentially calling the GOP-authored memo bogus, is another Republican. Former President George W. Bush nominated him in 2003 to be the assistant attorney general in charge of the Justice Department’s criminal division. After leaving government in 2005 to work as a private lawyer, Wray represented New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a Republican candidate for president, during the Bridgegate scandal. Trump selected Wray to be the FBI director after he fired Comey last year.

Comey was a registered Republican, but is now resident of Virginia, which does not have party registration. He was the deputy attorney general under the younger Bush. Former President Barack Obama appointed him to head the FBI in 2013. While overseeing the bureau’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email server three years later, Comey made the controversial decision to publicly slam Clinton’s handling of classified information before announcing that the Justice Department would not be pressing charges. Days before the election, Comey told lawmakers — who quickly told the world — about the FBI’s decision to reopen the Clinton email investigation to review newly discovered emails. Clinton supporters blame Comey’s handling of the email probe for costing her the election.

Ron Hosko, a former top FBI official who believes the FBI should have been tougher on Clinton, laughed when HuffPost asked him about the notion that the FBI was a hotbed of liberalism.

“Nothing could be further from the truth,” Hosko said. “At its core, the FBI is still a pretty conservative, right-leaning organization that tries to divorce itself of politics.”
One FBI source told HuffPost that rank-and-file FBI agents are perplexed by the attacks on the bureau coming from the party that had aligned itself so closely with law and order.

Even Andrew McCabe — who Trump railed against on Twitter for months because his wife received donations from a Clinton ally during her failed state Senate campaign — does not appear to be a liberal member of the #resistance. McCabe, the former deputy of the director of the FBI who stepped down earlier this week, did not vote in the 2016 presidential general election — but he did participate in the Republican primary.

Jeff Sessions is most definitely a Republican. The Alabama lawyer served for 20 years in the Senate as a Republican. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Sessions headed Trump’s foreign policy advisory committee. When Trump won, he nominated Sessions to be the attorney general, only to be very disappointed when Sessions recused himself from the Trump-Russia probe. Trump was presumably again disappointed when Sessions gave a qualified defense of his Justice Department.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-russia-probe-republicans-deep-sta
te_n_5a737d6ee4b06ee97af0d4dd




Lies and corrupt individuals keep Trump afloat. Lies and corrupt individuals kept Hitler in power. Lies and corrupt individuals kept Stalin in power. Lies and corrupt individuals keep Putin in power. Well, that and stupid angry warped people. The list goes on.

Let us hope smart upright people out number the corrupt. History has shown us they do.

T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Sunday, December 1, 2019 1:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"Newsweek investigated the failures that led to the publication of the inaccurate report that President Trump spent Thanksgiving tweeting and golfing rather than visiting troops in Afghanistan," a Newsweek spokesperson told The New York Post in an email. "The story has been corrected and the journalist responsible has been terminated. We will continue to review our processes and, if required, take further action."



Wouldn't it be great if every White House staffer, administration and cabinet member, and Trump TV "reporter" who made up shit was terminated so quickly? Trump, gone. Pence, gone. Mulvaney, gone. Conway, gone. Miller, gone...

Bravo Newsweek, for setting a higher standard for truth and accuracy than the White House (which actually isn't that hard).





Nah. Newsweek was probably getting ready for another layoff. Or maybe they were just firing somebody who also happened to be asking too many questions...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/business/media/newsweek-firings.htm
l


Quote:

Two top editors and a reporter at Newsweek were fired on Monday, and two other reporters left in limbo, in a purge that targeted employees involved in coverage of the company’s financial and legal troubles.

Bob Roe, the magazine’s editor in chief; Kenneth Li, its executive news director; and Celeste Katz, a reporter, were dismissed after receiving Google Calendar invitations to meet with executives at Newsweek’s parent company, the Newsweek Media Group, three employees confirmed. Ms. Katz had reported on the company’s affairs, including a raid by the Manhattan district attorney’s office last month, and Mr. Li had overseen the coverage.

Two other reporters involved in the coverage — Josh Saul, a Newsweek writer, and Josh Keefe, a writer at the affiliated International Business Times — were locked out of their computers and email accounts on Monday. They were not fired, but did not know whether they would still have jobs come morning.

“I have not been fired, although that was very clearly the plan,” Mr. Keefe tweeted.

Newsweek’s communications department said in an email on Tuesday that the company does not comment on personnel matters. The magazine’s new acting editor, Nancy Cooper, did not respond to an email sent to her personal address.

After the district attorney’s raid on Jan. 18, editors at Newsweek assigned a group of reporters to investigate the company. An employee in the news department said that executives had vetted those reporters’ stories before publication.

At first, two employees said, the company’s chief content officer, Dayan Candappa, protected the reporters, essentially acting as a buffer between them and top executives. But last week, Mr. Candappa took a leave of absence in response to allegations of sexual harassment.



LOL

Seriously. They #MeToo'd somebody so they could fire all of them with no opposition.

Stay classy, Newsweek.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:44 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Wednesday, May 22, 2024 7:39 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


That era with JFK, Nixon, Ford

https://files.catbox.moe/v12lzx.mp4

Warren Commission, Tucker

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Thursday, May 23, 2024 4:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
My personal POV

Deep State was an idea that was formed in my lifetime as a poster on this board. So was American nationalism. You should therefore see a reflection of their genesis in my posts here. A quick recap on the evolution of the idea in my own personal history:

During Bill Clinton's tenure, I was almost completely consumed by our daughter's deteriorating neurological status, so my attention was focused elsewhere. Not SO distracted that I failed to notice Bill's pro-corporate economic and social policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, repeal of Glass Steagall, Commodity Futures Trading Modernization Act, Digital Millennium Copyright Act, DOMA, DADT, destruction of welfare as we know it, failure to enact meaningful health care reform, etc.) that I voted for him the second time- I didn't- but distracted that HIS destruction of Yugoslavia kind of blew by me.

GWB. The thing that stuck out for me ... aside from his even more pro-corporate stance and his destruction of the financial system ... was how little the invasion of Afghanistan made sense, and then how even more nonsensical was the invasion of Iraq. The invasions were CLEARLY carried out for specious reasons and propelled on a wave of media-hyped hysteria. There was no benefit to America at all, and the only motivation that I could think of that matched the expense was to support the petrodollar. Still, all in all, I thought the invasions were huge miscalculations.

But then, Obama made the same serial "errors" ... destabilizing Ukraine, destroying Libya, destroying Sudan, destablizing Yemen, and attempting to destroy Syria .... in most cases leaving giant smoking jihadist-filled ruins in their wake .... and I came to realize that these weren't serial errors on the part of the Administrations (all of them) but DELIBERATE POLICY. Combined with the realization that al Qaeda was just Saudi Arabia's proxy army it was a little hard to ignore that allowing Saudi Arabia free rein over the Middle East was part of the plan. As long as the Saudis and their jihadist army (1) didn't attack Israel and (2) kept to their petrodollar bargain and (3) kept the oil flowing our administration (or, the actors behind the administration) would be happy to fund the Saudi's jihadist proxies .... and even use them on occasion: Afghanistan, Chechnya, Libya, and Syria.

It was the apparent split behind some of Obama's policies and some of the State Department/CIA policies which pointed up the intransigent nature of these behind-the-scenes actors. CHRISISALL once posted - very early on in Obama's tenure - that he thought that the only explanation for Obama's failure to follow up on any of his policies is that he got a note on a napkin, about how vulnerable Malia and Sasha were to accidents, and that Obama should be careful what he did. And while I think the form of the threat was exaggerated, the thought has clearly stuck with me for more than seven years.

It has been clear to me for a while that there IS something called the "deep state". I sometimes imagine that part of the secret lore that Presidents pass on to each other is a warning about this deep state, and the oligarchs who direct it.

-------

In Trump's case, the deep state has had him in its sights since he became a SERIOUS contender for the Presidency, and not just a conveniently weak candidate to trounce.

The BUT RUSSIA! allegations can only be one of two things:

1) Either someone with access to highly classified information (which would have to be the CIA/NSA) is SELECTIVELY leaking classified information for political purposes ... which is treason or

2) These "unnamed sources" are making shit up whole cloth, and using their positions in intelligence to give their insinuations more weight than they deserve ... which is treason.




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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake




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Thursday, May 23, 2024 5:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Bump. Just bc this is when I had time to think about things. Unlike mostv
other clowns here.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Wednesday, August 14, 2024 8:32 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


how unfunny they got during the writers strike

Late Night Recaps Musk’s and Trump’s Two-Hour Chat on X

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/14/arts/television/late-night-trump-mu
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Thursday, August 15, 2024 6:29 AM

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Thursday, August 15, 2024 8:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
My personal POV

Deep State was an idea that was formed in my lifetime as a poster on this board. So was American nationalism. You should therefore see a reflection of their genesis in my posts here. A quick recap on the evolution of the idea in my own personal history:

During Bill Clinton's tenure, I was almost completely consumed by our daughter's deteriorating neurological status, so my attention was focused elsewhere. Not SO distracted that I failed to notice Bill's pro-corporate economic and social policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, repeal of Glass Steagall, Commodity Futures Trading Modernization Act, Digital Millennium Copyright Act, DOMA, DADT, destruction of welfare as we know it, failure to enact meaningful health care reform, etc.) that I voted for him the second time- I didn't- but distracted that HIS destruction of Yugoslavia kind of blew by me.

GWB. The thing that stuck out for me ... aside from his even more pro-corporate stance and his destruction of the financial system ... was how little the invasion of Afghanistan made sense, and then how even more nonsensical was the invasion of Iraq. The invasions were CLEARLY carried out for specious reasons and propelled on a wave of media-hyped hysteria. There was no benefit to America at all, and the only motivation that I could think of that matched the expense was to support the petrodollar. Still, all in all, I thought the invasions were huge miscalculations.

But then, Obama made the same serial "errors" ... destabilizing Ukraine, destroying Libya, destroying Sudan, destablizing Yemen, and attempting to destroy Syria .... in most cases leaving giant smoking jihadist-filled ruins in their wake .... and I came to realize that these weren't serial errors on the part of the Administrations (all of them) but DELIBERATE POLICY. Combined with the realization that al Qaeda was just Saudi Arabia's proxy army it was a little hard to ignore that allowing Saudi Arabia free rein over the Middle East was part of the plan. As long as the Saudis and their jihadist army (1) didn't attack Israel and (2) kept to their petrodollar bargain and (3) kept the oil flowing our administration (or, the actors behind the administration) would be happy to fund the Saudi's jihadist proxies .... and even use them on occasion: Afghanistan, Chechnya, Libya, and Syria.

It was the apparent split behind some of Obama's policies and some of the State Department/CIA policies which pointed up the intransigent nature of these behind-the-scenes actors. CHRISISALL once posted - very early on in Obama's tenure - that he thought that the only explanation for Obama's failure to follow up on any of his policies is that he got a note on a napkin, about how vulnerable Malia and Sasha were to accidents, and that Obama should be careful what he did. And while I think the form of the threat was exaggerated, the thought has clearly stuck with me for more than seven years.

It has been clear to me for a while that there IS something called the "deep state". I sometimes imagine that part of the secret lore that Presidents pass on to each other is a warning about this deep state, and the oligarchs who direct it.

-------

In Trump's case, the deep state has had him in its sights since he became a SERIOUS contender for the Presidency, and not just a conveniently weak candidate to trounce.

The BUT RUSSIA! allegations can only be one of two things:

1) Either someone with access to highly classified information (which would have to be the CIA/NSA) is SELECTIVELY leaking classified information for political purposes ... which is treason or

2) These "unnamed sources" are making shit up whole cloth, and using their positions in intelligence to give their insinuations more weight than they deserve ... which is treason.




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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake




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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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Thursday, August 15, 2024 8:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And finally (for now) ....

I have yet to see a discussion of Trump's assertion that the mainstream media is the enemy of the people.

Hearing that just made me squirm. But then I had to confront the idea, and I realized that it was true.

Similar to the thought that our serial Administrations didn't make repeated stupid military and foreign policy "mistakes", I came to realize that the press might get credit for one or two errors, but not a few dozen in the same kind of topic.

Every war that we engaged in since Vietnam has had the active collusion of the press, as it hyped one specious "reason" after another to press for one pointless provocation/incursion/invasion after another: Vietnam, Panama, Somalia, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Sudan. And this whole BUT RUSSIA! hysteria has been both relentless and ridiculous, and only credulous people - which seems to be an awful lot - wouldn't see it for the propaganda that it is.

Judith Miller NYT was the (in)famous purveyor of every fatuous made-up story about Iraq. MOST of the MSM were engaged in serial misinformation about Syria, Ukraine, and Libya including the BBC and WSJ.

Where are America's interests in all of this? Who is looking out for our safety, our tax dollars, our future interests, and the lives of our soldiers?

Not the MSM! It seems to me that they have been actively colluding to deceive the American public, and that - yes - they really do deserve the title of "enemy of the people".





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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake




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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time."
Or, any verification or thought.

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Thursday, August 15, 2024 8:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More Ukraine-style "color revolution" action from the always-honest NYT:

Quote:

How Can We Get Rid of Trump?
We’re just a month into the Trump presidency, and already so many are wondering: How can we end it?

MORE AT https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/how-can-we-get-rid-o
f-trump.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2


If there's one thing that invasion of Iraq (Operation "Enduring Freedom") taught me .... which was consequential, expensive, involving 130,000 troops from the USA alone, not counting the contractors, coalition, and various wartime hangers-on, is that

THE UNITED STATES POPULATION CAN BE STAMPEDED INTO ANYTHING

ANYTHING

How it is that somewhere between 47-60% supported the invasion of Iraq? In what real world did the invasion of Iraq make any sense at all??? Didn't anyone bother to take a clear-eyed view of the so-called "threat" and notice that it was bogus? Didn't anyone notice the relentless torrent of propaganda, the rapidly- shifting and escalating narrative ... 9-11- terrorists -Curveball - aluminum tubes - yellowcake - bioweapons - chemical - nuclear- "east west north south somewhat of Baghdad" ... designed to keep everyone in a constant state of fear?

Has nobody noticed that the same techniques are being used to stampede us again now? That each half of our nation is being provoked into attacking the other? In what real world does that even make sense??

So let's look at the so-called Russian threat, because looking at all this in the rearview mirror, it will be demonstrated to be fake news, just like Iraq's fake WMD.

The so-called "Russian threat":
Does Russia have missiles on our border, like we have on theirs?
Is Russia constantly patrolling our coasts, like we do theirs?
Does Russia spend $600 billion on defense, like we do?
Is Russia bringing Mexico, Costa Rica, Cuba, and Brazil into the CSTO, like we've brought Slovakia, Slovenia, and Albania and Croatia into NATO?
Did Russia use the CTSO to destroy Germany, like we did with Iraq and Libya?
Did Russia create a refugee crisis?
Does Russia have 900+ military installations around the world?

What threat does Russia pose to us? Take a chill pill, and come back and tell us all ... finally ... what threat Russia poses to us. It's been a shapeless monster in the dark, used to scare people into destroying their own nation.

Right now, the only thing that is tacking this nation together is procedure. We have supposedly agreed on the rules of the game. Once you decide to overturn procedure, to openly cheer on a shadow government to get your way, you will be taking America back a realm where it hasn't been for about 150 years, if perhaps ever.



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Thursday, August 15, 2024 8:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Right once again ^^^^^^

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Right once again ^^^^^^






Yeah, nah. Hey, you should appreciate this.

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Nobody but you appreciates Seth.

Dude can't even get 1 Million viewers a day anymore. People on YouTube crush him every single day. He is unfunny and irrelevant.

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