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The science of prophecy

By Joel Eissenberg | October 1, 2024 8:49 am

https://angrybearblog.com/2024/10/the-science-of-prophecy

The existential threat to humanity in this century is climate change. It is estimated that upwards of half a billion people will be displaced by flooding, fires and desertification due to global warming.

But such frightening predictions are based on climate modeling. How reliable are these models? It turns out, remarkably reliable:

“Climate change doubters have a favorite target: climate models. They claim that computer simulations conducted decades ago didn’t accurately predict current warming, so the public should be wary of the predictive power of newer models. Now, the most sweeping evaluation of these older models—some half a century old—shows most of them were indeed accurate.”

*snip*

“The researchers compared annual average surface temperatures across the globe to the surface temperatures predicted in 17 forecasts. Those predictions were drawn from 14 separate computer models released between 1970 and 2001. In some cases, the studies and their computer codes were so old that the team had to extract data published in papers, using special software to gauge the exact numbers represented by points on a printed graph.

“Most of the models accurately predicted recent global surface temperatures, which have risen approximately 0.9°C since 1970. For 10 forecasts, there was no statistically significant difference between their output and historic observations, the team reports today in Geophysical Research Letters.”

Much more at: Even 50-year-old climate models correctly predicted global warming

Study debunks idea that older models were inaccurate

By Warren Cornwall | 4 Dec 2019

https://www.science.org/content/article/even-50-year-old-climate-model
s-correctly-predicted-global-warming


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Wednesday, October 2, 2024 5:13 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Bill Nye the Bachelor's Degree Guy & Science Fetishization



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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

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Monday, October 7, 2024 6:19 AM

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Before Hurricane Helene, A Perfect Storm Of Climate Denialism

North Carolina was once a climate leader, but more than a decade of Republican and corporate obstruction left the state ill-prepared for the historic disaster.

In the years before Hurricane Helene ravaged North Carolina last week, the state’s Republican lawmakers and corporate interests continually fought climate adaptation and mitigation measures that could have helped communities withstand the storm’s tidal surge, hurricane-force winds, and widespread flooding.

While North Carolina was once a national leader in renewable energy and climate change resiliency policies, that changed in the early 2010s when Republicans secured control of both chambers of the state’s legislature and a former utility company executive moved into the governor’s mansion. Since then, GOP politicians and their big-business allies have sabotaged climate resiliency projects, delayed plans to embrace renewable energy, and stonewalled efforts to prepare the state for stronger storms and a rising sea.

More at https://www.levernews.com/before-hurricane-helene-a-perfect-storm-of-c
limate-denialism
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Monday, October 7, 2024 6:21 AM

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Believe Me, Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax -- Trump

An editorial in The Charlotte Observer:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article293483114.html

Western North Carolina is trying to pick up the pieces left behind by Hurricane Helene, which decimated the region, leaving communities destroyed and a death toll in the triple digits.

This is not a situation to capitalize on for political gain. But former President Donald Trump has politicized the situation at every turn, spreading falsehoods and conspiracies that fracture the community instead of bringing it together.

The worst example is a social media post Trump made on Monday, in which he accused the federal government and Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper of “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas. MAGA!” That same day, Trump also posted that the Biden administration has “left Americans to drown” in North Carolina and other states.

Then, in an interview with his former adviser Kellyanne Conway, Trump doubled down on his claim, saying the government is “going out of their way to hurt” Trump voters in Western North Carolina.

“They’re not getting water, they’re not getting anything,” Trump said.

Trump has also said that Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp couldn’t get President Joe Biden on the phone to help his state with hurricane relief — a claim that Kemp himself debunked — and falsely claimed that the government doesn’t have enough money to respond to the disaster because “Kamala spent all her FEMA money, billions of dollars, on housing for illegal migrants.” He’s called it “the worst response in the history of hurricanes” and suggested it would be the Biden administration’s own Hurricane Katrina.

There’s no evidence to support any of those ridiculous claims. And by every indication, state and federal agencies have been working to help people in need. They’ve been airlifting food and other supplies to affected areas. Helping families get information about missing loved ones. Providing monetary assistance to folks whose homes were destroyed. Working to clear and repair roads and get critical infrastructure back up and running.

It may not be enough, because this is one of the worst disasters our state has ever seen. It will take months and years to rebuild, and we still won’t be able to recover everything that was lost. But the people of North Carolina have not been left out to dry. Their government has not abandoned them. The Republican governors of Georgia and South Carolina have expressed satisfaction with the federal response.

Trump knows that. So does Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson, who accused Cooper and Biden of not doing enough to prepare for and respond to the storm. Robinson has used the tragedy for photo ops and posts on social media and predicted he will be called a “hero” for his efforts to help victims, despite the fact that he missed a key vote to declare a state of emergency in preparation for the storm. Trump’s claims are as hypocritical as they are harmful. POLITICO’s E&E News reported this week that, as president, Trump could be “flagrantly partisan” in times of disaster and “on at least three occasions hesitated to give disaster aid to areas he considered politically hostile or ordered special treatment for pro-Trump states.” According to the report, Trump was hesitant to send disaster aid when California was ravaged by wildfires in 2018 until he learned the affected part of the state was saturated with Trump voters.

Let’s be clear: Western North Carolina is not a political football. This is not a campaign opportunity. The most unhelpful thing any politician — or anyone else — can do right now is spread misinformation and tell people that their government isn’t doing anything to help them.

Sowing the seeds of political division is always an unnecessary and tiresome endeavor. But doing so in times of great need, when unity is paramount, is particularly shameful.

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In a survey, 90% of Floridians said they believe that climate change is happening.
But less than half of all respondents (48%) said they would be willing to pay $10 a month to strengthen Florida’s infrastructure to weather hazards.

https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/climate-resilience-survey

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Tuesday, October 8, 2024 7:34 AM

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Who’s Taking Out the Ashes?

By Monte Davis | Tuesday, Oct 8, 2024 5:00AM

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2024/10/whos-taking-out-the-ashe
s.html


Fossil fuels aren’t pure carbon, of course, and combustion rarely burns every bit of what there is, so the emission ratio varies. Coal typically yields 2.1 times its mass in CO2; firewood, 1.6 to 1.8 times; gasoline, 2.3 times; natural gas, about 2.8 times.

Picture Georgia Power’s 3.5-gigawatt Plant Scherer, near Macon, the largest coal-fired power plant in the US. It came on line in the 1980s, and at peak output required up to five trains a day, 100 coal cars or more long, from the Powder River basin in Wyoming. In 2018 it burned on the order of 9 million tons of coal, with CO2 emissions of 20 million tons.

Now, picture that 20 million tons of CO2 not drifting invisibly away from the smokestacks, but being dealt with: Stored in a giant tank farm. Pumped into pipelines or long trains of tank cars. At the end of its journey, forced down large numbers of dedicated shafts by powerful pumps. And that is what’s going to happen to nearly all of it, because while there is a market for CO2 in industrial processes, it’s trivial compared to supply on this scale. So nearly all that new investment and operating cost is economic dead weight: 20 million tons of former “externality” turned into the utility’s red ink. Even if coal-fired generation weren’t already under a lot of pressure from cheaper oil and gas, its economics can’t possibly survive that burden.

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Tuesday, October 8, 2024 1:00 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Believe Me, Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax -- Trump

Another one of those policies where Trump and I part ways. It's too bad that the one Presidential candidate who has a record of caring about America... as opposed to caring about transnationals and financialists ... also happens to be blowhard salesman with ADHD.

Quote:

An editorial in The Charlotte Observer:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article293483114.html

Western North Carolina is trying to pick up the pieces left behind by Hurricane Helene, which decimated the region, leaving communities destroyed and a death toll in the triple digits.

This is not a situation to capitalize on for political gain.

Dood. EVERY crisis, real, imagined, or something in between, has been turned by the DNC and deep state in an oppty for more power. "Never let a good crisis go to waste" ring any bells?

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But former President Donald Trump has politicized the situation at every turn, spreading falsehoods and conspiracies that fracture the community instead of bringing it together.
Which means .... what, exactly? Does this hamper rescue and aid efforts? The WH's best publicity is an effective, coordinated effort.

Quote:

The worst example is a social media post Trump made on Monday, in which he accused the federal government and Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper of “going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas. MAGA!” That same day, Trump also posted that the Biden administration has “left Americans to drown” in North Carolina and other states.

Then, in an interview with his former adviser Kellyanne Conway, Trump doubled down on his claim, saying the government is “going out of their way to hurt” Trump voters in Western North Carolina.

“They’re not getting water, they’re not getting anything,” Trump said.and

which is true. So, why aren't they?

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Trump has also said that Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp couldn’t get President Joe Biden on the phone to help his state with hurricane relief — a claim that Kemp himself debunked — and falsely claimed that the government doesn’t have enough money to respond to the disaster because “Kamala spent all her FEMA money, billions of dollars, on housing for illegal migrants.” He’s called it “the worst response in the history of hurricanes” and suggested it would be the Biden administration’s own Hurricane Katrina.
I dont know if it's the worst response, but it's certainly not very good.

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There’s no evidence to support any of those ridiculous claims.
there's evidence that FEMA'S response is flat footed, somewhere between dysfunctional and counterproductive.

If FEMA is doing such a great job, why aren't we hearing about it? Its ok to take credit for a job well done!

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And by every indication, state and federal agencies have been "working to help" people in need. They’ve been airlifting food and other supplies to affected areas. Helping families get information about missing loved ones. Providing monetary assistance to folks whose homes were destroyed. Working to clear and repair roads and get critical infrastructure back up and running.
Well, by gosh! It's good to know they've been "working on it"!

Any metrics as to how they're doing? Timelines? Areas assisted and areas remaining?


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It may not be enough,...


Apparently it isn't.

But the WH, and Congress, would rather send a few hundred billion to Ukraine and a few more billion to Israel, instead of preparing for disaster.

The main point is that WH's and Congress' priorities are fucked up, and someone should un-fuck them.
Looks like a case of AMERICA LAST.

MAGA.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


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Tuesday, October 8, 2024 6:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Believe Me, Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax -- Trump

Another one of those policies where Trump and I part ways. It's too bad that the one Presidential candidate who has a record of caring about America... as opposed to caring about transnationals and financialists ... also happens to be blowhard salesman with ADHD.

Before Trump came along, every Republican I knew in the hydrocarbon industry was saying anthropogenic climate change is fake, will always be bogus, and can never be the truth. To be a leader of the GOP, Trump has to follow the wisdom of the mob he is nominally leader of. Therefore: Climate Change is a Hoax. For Trump to take a different direction than the mob is heading would be as absurd as Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederacy, worrying about the plight of slaves and calling for emancipation. The Confederates would have abandoned Jeff. The oil & gas executives would abandon Trump if he changes.

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Tuesday, October 8, 2024 11:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Better to have a President who cares about America, no matter how mistakenly, than a President who would sell us down river.

We can always correct mistakes. It's much harder to fix deliberate corruption.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


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Thursday, October 10, 2024 1:27 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Some are saying that with Hurricanes Helene and Milton as October Surprise in Election Year, Geo Tech is becoming too obvious.

But I've been hearing The Ministry of Truth openly scoff at and denounce Geo Tech and Agro Tech, even amidst Helene and Milton.

But apparently Monsanto Bayer (big investor: Billy boy Gates) is making gobs of $$ from their Weather Insurance Department right now. Must be coincidence.

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Friday, October 11, 2024 6:45 AM

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Hurricane Helene isn’t an outlier. It’s a harbinger of the future.

By John Morales | September 30, 2024

https://thebulletin.org/2024/09/hurricane-helene-isnt-an-outlier-its-a
-harbinger-of-the-future
/

Something’s shifted. And it’s not just the climate.

Even before being named a tropical storm, I knew that what would become Mean Helene was set on a mission to be yet another multibillion-dollar disaster. I knew that it would undergo rapid intensification and become a catastrophic hurricane. And I knew that a calamitous rainfall event would unfold in the Southeast many hours after landfall.

So, I did what I’ve done during my entire 40 year career—I tried to warn people. Except that the warning was not well received by everyone. A person accused me of being a “climate militant,” a suggestion that I’m embellishing extreme weather threats to drive an agenda. Another simply said that my predictions were “an exaggeration.”

But it wasn’t an exaggeration.

More at https://thebulletin.org/2024/09/hurricane-helene-isnt-an-outlier-its-a
-harbinger-of-the-future
/

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Friday, October 11, 2024 6:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Better to have a President who cares about America, no matter how mistakenly, than a President who would sell us down river.

We can always correct mistakes. It's much harder to fix deliberate corruption.

Signym, you are out of touch with reality. A "caring" Trump or a "caring" JD Vance will be too late to correct their mistake.

When the Arctic Melts

By Elizabeth Kolbert | Oct 7, 2024

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/14/when-the-arctic-melts

The story of climate change is generally told in terms of human action, and for good reason. The almost two trillion tons of CO2 that people have pumped into the atmosphere have changed the planet in ways that every day become more apparent. Last year, average global temperatures set a new record, and by a wide margin. Canada experienced record wildfires; the Caribbean saw record ocean temperatures, which devastated its coral reefs; and Libya was hit with record rainfall, which led to a dam collapse that killed more than five thousand people. This year’s global temperatures will almost certainly surpass last year’s. Among the many climate-related disasters of 2024 so far have been a heat wave in Mecca that killed thirteen hundred pilgrims during the hajj and Hurricane Helene, which caused at least twenty billion dollars’ worth of damage. How people—or governments and corporations, run by people—respond to the mounting losses will have repercussions that will last, for all intents and purposes, forever. As no less an authority than the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change put it, upon releasing its latest scientific assessment, “The future is in our hands.”

But, like so many stories that get told, this one doesn’t tell the whole story. The future depends on how humanity reacts to global warming, and it also depends on how the Earth does. Owing to advances in everything from satellite altimetry to deep-sea drilling, a great deal has been learned in the past few decades about the planet’s history. Much of the new science suggests that the climate is, all on its own, unstable, prone to dramatic and sometimes sudden shifts.

The history of Greenland is a case in point. During what’s known as the Last Glacial Maximum, some twenty thousand years ago, an ice sheet stretched more or less continuously from Greenland across Ellesmere and Baffin Islands and down over Canada and much of the northern United States. So much water was tied up in the ice that sea levels were four hundred feet lower than they are today, and it was possible to walk not just from Siberia to Alaska but also from Australia to Tasmania and from England to France. When the ice began to recede, around fifteen thousand years ago, large swaths of the world experienced catastrophic flooding. During one particularly sodden period, known as meltwater pulse 1A, sea levels rose by more than a foot a decade.

Most scientists believe that ice ages—there have been at least ten of them over the past two and half million years—are initiated and terminated by periodic shifts in the Earth’s orbit, caused by, among other factors, the tug of Jupiter and Saturn. But orbital shifts produce only slight changes in the amount of sunlight that reaches different parts of the globe at different times of the year. Such slight variations are insufficient to explain the growth and subsequent retreat of massive ice sheets. Rather, it seems, the orbital shifts act like a trigger, setting off other processes—feedbacks—that greatly amplify their effect. One relatively straightforward feedback features albedo, from the Latin word for “whiteness.” Ice and especially snow have a high albedo. They reflect lots of sunlight back to space. Thus, as an ice sheet grows, the planet absorbs less energy. This has a cooling effect, which encourages the buildup of more snow and ice, which results in more reflectivity, and so on. Start to melt an ice sheet and the same cycle spins in reverse.

Today, feedbacks are, to put it mildly, a growing concern. A report published last year by more than two hundred researchers from around the world noted that many of the systems that determine the climate exhibit nonlinear behavior. Such systems may “shift to a very different state, often abruptly or irreversibly, as a result of self-sustaining feedbacks.” The researchers identified two dozen potential “tipping systems,” among them the Greenland ice sheet.

At a certain point, the report warned, feedbacks could become so powerful that, even if CO2 emissions were cut dramatically and temperatures stabilized, the ice sheet would continue to shrink, possibly until it collapsed. The “best estimate” of when this critical threshold will be reached is when average global temperatures rise 1.5 degrees Celsius—roughly three degrees Fahrenheit—above preindustrial levels. Even after that line is crossed, it will take many centuries for the changes set in motion to play out. Still, as a practical matter, there will be no going back. When it comes to tipping systems, the future is in our hands until it isn’t.

Much more at https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/10/14/when-the-arctic-melts

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Sunday, October 13, 2024 6:02 PM

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A top energy strategist is optimistic about climate change. And he has the data to back that up.

The Associated Press | October 7, 2024, 6:00 AM

Q: You said there were 24 key technologies. What are the top five?

A: So let’s say that it’s 38 gigatons of (CO2) emissions that you need to mitigate. Solar photovoltaic alone will mitigate 11 gigatons. Batteries and EVs separately are the next important, which is about 5.5 gigatons each. And CCUS (carbon capture, utilization and storage) also has the potential to mitigate 5.5 gigatons. The fifth is wind, which is also like 5.5 gigatons. (11+5.5+5.5+5.5+5.5 = 33 gigatons)

Q: What’s the one technology no one has heard about yet?

A: For instance, high temperature energy storage. One is called “the sun in the box,” this big block of graphite, or black carbon, and you can heat the block to 2,000 degrees, and you do that when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining.

You can have solar panels inside producing electricity from the wavelength radiation from the block, and you have pipes into it with super hot high pressure water, so you can choose whether you want to take out the energy as electricity or as hot over-pressurized water, for instance for metal production... Just one example of a new long duration storage technology.

Q: Are you an optimist or a pessimist about holding global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius by the end of the century?

A: Some people call me climate optimistic but I’m quite fact-based on this. It is possible, for CO2 alone, to limit emissions to 650 gigatons, which corresponds to 1.6 degrees warming, and if you do something with methane on top of that, 1.5 degrees is still within reach.

The iPhone disrupted the media, and solar and batteries will be such a disruptive technology, because they’re cheaper and better. People underestimate how fast it will go. In 1945 it was all steam locomotives and by 1960 they were all diesel electric, only 15 years to change a gigantic system, because the new technology was cheaper and better.

https://wtop.com/news/2024/10/a-top-energy-strategist-is-optimistic-ab
out-climate-change-and-he-has-the-data-to-back-that-up
/

https://eedition.houstonchronicle.com/infinity/article_popover_share.a
spx?guid=8a5b78c2-86cf-44e3-a16e-cd3d216f3412&share=true


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Sunday, October 13, 2024 6:36 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well that's just it.

Until you actually make it cheaper and better don't expect one ounce of your research to ever amount to anything.

Don't waste time taking interviews for idiots to read. Get your ass back to work and figure it out.

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Trump will be fine.
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Friday, October 25, 2024 1:20 PM

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World on track for catastrophic 3 degrees Celsius warming, UN warns

October 24, 2024 4:01 pm CET

https://www.politico.eu/article/united-nations-emissions-gap-global-wa
rming-data-climate-change-report
/

The world is already 1.3C hotter than before the Industrial Revolution, and planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions are continuing to rise, increasing by 1.3 percent last year compared with 2022.

As a result, limiting warming to the relative safety of the Paris targets has become more difficult, requiring even steeper annual emissions cuts of 7.5 percent or 4 percent by 2030 for 1.5C or 2C, respectively.

With the policies currently in place across the globe, the world is heading for 3.1C of warming by the end of the century, the report says. Measures outlined in current NDCs, which haven’t been fully implemented, would bring that down to between 2.6C and 2.8C.

Even the best-case scenario of 2.6C, however, represents “catastrophic” warming with “debilitating impacts to people, planet and economies,” the U.N. warns.


Progress among the G20 is a mixed bag: China’s emissions grew 5.2 percent in 2023, while the EU’s fell 7.5 percent; and while China is much more populous, its per-capita emissions in 2023 were 11 tons to the EU’s 7.3 tons.

U.S. emissions fell by 1.4 percent, but American per-capita emissions remain the second-highest at 18 tons after Russia’s 19 tons.

Full report is here: https://www.unep.org/resources/emissions-gap-report-2024

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Friday, October 25, 2024 4:54 PM

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Capturing Carbon From the Air Just Got Easier

By University of California - Berkeley | October 25, 2024

UC Berkeley graduate student Zihui Zhou, the paper’s first author, said that a mere 200 grams of the material, a bit less than half a pound, can take up as much CO2 in a year — 20 kilograms (44 pounds) — as a tree.

“Flue gas capture is a way to slow down climate change because you are trying not to release CO2 to the air. Direct air capture is a method to take us back to like it was 100 or more years ago,” Zhou said. “Currently, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is more than 420 ppm, but that will increase to maybe 500 or 550 before we fully develop and employ flue gas capture. So if we want to decrease the concentration and go back to maybe 400 or 300 ppm, we have to use direct air capture.”

https://scitechdaily.com/berkeleys-magic-material-capturing-carbon-fro
m-the-air-just-got-easier
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Friday, October 25, 2024 5:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Capturing Carbon From the Air Just Got Easier

By University of California - Berkeley | October 25, 2024

UC Berkeley graduate student Zihui Zhou, the paper’s first author, said that a mere 200 grams of the material, a bit less than half a pound, can take up as much CO2 in a year — 20 kilograms (44 pounds) — as a tree.

“Flue gas capture is a way to slow down climate change because you are trying not to release CO2 to the air. Direct air capture is a method to take us back to like it was 100 or more years ago,” Zhou said. “Currently, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is more than 420 ppm, but that will increase to maybe 500 or 550 before we fully develop and employ flue gas capture. So if we want to decrease the concentration and go back to maybe 400 or 300 ppm, we have to use direct air capture.”

https://scitechdaily.com/berkeleys-magic-material-capturing-carbon-fro
m-the-air-just-got-easier
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I'm looking forward to Thunderf00t debunking these claims, like he always does. Maybe it will get him to focus on something other than Elon Musk. That dude obsesses over Elon more than Second and Ted obsess over Trump.

The media really needs to stop reporting on magic that breaks the laws of thermodynamics until it's tested and proven to be viable.

Anybody remember the Theranos debacle?

Or our very own "Solar Freakin' Roadways"?

"Waterseer"? The "Hyper Loop"? How about a nanotube skyscraper/elevator held up by a satellite that would allow us to get spaceships out of the atmosphere without
burning 2 Million times per second what you use while driving your car?

I'm glad that we're trying to figure things like these out. I wish the reporting on them was a LOT better than it is though. Everybody is so busy chasing waterfalls that they forget to actually fact check claims that are almost always proven to be unfounded in hindsight.

That's a very expensive lesson that the international auto-industry found out the hard way when they realized nobody wants their shitty 1st generation electric cars, and the low number of early adopters they did con into it will evaporate once they realize that there is no used car market for them and your car is headed to the junkyard for $500 when the battery dies.

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World on pace for significantly more warming without immediate climate action, report warns

https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/climate-change-chaos-warming-15-po
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Carl Sagan calmly told Congress what would happen to our climate


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Greenhouse gases surged to new highs in 2023, warns UN weather agency

28 October 2024 | Climate and Environment

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1156186

New data released by the UN on Monday indicating that greenhouse gases have hit a record high shows once again that urgent action and not words is needed from the world’s major polluters to protect us all from climate change, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) insisted.

The WMO report pointed out that from 1990 to 2023, radiative forcing – the warming effect on our climate from greenhouse gases increased by 51.5 per cent. CO2 accounted for more than 80 per cent of this increase, according to data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Annual Greenhouse Gas Index.

Toxic relationship

“As long as emissions continue, greenhouse gases will continue accumulating in the atmosphere leading to global temperature rise,” the UN agency said. “Given the extremely long life of CO2 in the atmosphere, the temperature level already observed will persist for several decades even if emissions are rapidly reduced to net zero.”

Asked about whether the UN climate conference might be expected to yield tangible commitments from countries, the WMO Deputy Secretary-General noted that politicians worldwide do reference the latest scientific climate findings and forecasts in their public declarations. “So I do think they are listening, the question is to what degree will we see that manifest at COP29 in action,” she said.

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Two major laws passed by Congress and signed into law by President Biden provide new money and new requirements for reducing potent methane emissions, including those coming from abandoned oil and gas wells. Now the federal government has started awarding some contracts for capping those wells. But the election could impact whether this work will continue, since former President Donald Trump wants to reverse many rules and recently referred to climate concerns as a scam.

MILES O'BRIEN: Methane traps about 80 times more heat during a 20-year lifetime than carbon dioxide. It is responsible for about 30 percent of human-caused global warming, and about 8 percent of methane emissions in Pennsylvania are linked to orphaned and abandoned wells.



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EU greenhouse gas emissions down 8 percent in 2023
Accelerating rollout of renewable energy sources drives stunning drop.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-greenhouse-gas-emissions-down-8-per
cent-in-2023
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The European Union’s greenhouse gas output plummeted 8.3 percent in 2023, a flagship report released Thursday revealed.

It's an annual drop not seen in decades, the EU said, driven by the accelerating rollout of renewable energy sources across the Continent.

https://climate.ec.europa.eu/document/download/d0671350-37f2-4bc4-88e8
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A little chilly for some. A little warm for others. Depending on where you live you might want to opt for shorts in some cases, but wear a jacket in other places or you might catch a cold.

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Unhappily Ever After: Meet the artist placing Disney characters in dystopian situations

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/entertainment/unhappily-ever-
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The climate crisis

This is the overwhelming challenge facing humanity, and Trump’s gaslighting — dismissing it as “a hoax” — has been astonishingly effective in keeping it off the political stage. For all our scientific and technological capacity, we simply have no way to comprehend how the climate crisis will damage human civilization over the long term. More immediately, tens of millions of people are already climate refugees, and hundreds of millions more surely will be.

Climate is arguably the main reason that Central Americans have replaced Mexicans as the largest population seeking entry to the U.S. since Trump first took office, so gaslighting on climate change was essential to making his “immigrant crime” narrative work. Hurricane Helene presented the perfect opportunity for bringing the climate crisis into the campaign. The damage done was almost 1% of U.S. national GDP, far exceeding annual government spending to combat climate change. It was the moment for a supremely important public policy discussion, but Trump’s gaslighting helped keep it entirely off the agenda.

There are thousands of pages of documents making clear that the fossil fuel industry has known about the dangers of climate change for decades, and lied about them. But Trump of course claims the exact opposite: the scientists, or perhaps the Chinese, are pulling off “a hoax.” It’s classic gaslighting.

https://www.salon.com/2024/11/09/six-big-lies-that-won-the-election-ho
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How the existential terror of hurricanes can fuel climate change denial

October 30, 2024 8:40am EDT

https://theconversation.com/time-to-freak-out-how-the-existential-terr
or-of-hurricanes-can-fuel-climate-change-denial-242390


Many people deny that climate change is a worsening threat or that it exists at all. As its impacts grow more visible and destructive, how is this possible?

One answer lies in a unique facet of human psychology – specifically, in how people manage the fear aroused by existential threats. For many people, denying the existence of a climate crisis is not only convenient but may feel psychologically necessary.

Terror Management Theory

The Pulitzer Prize-winning anthropologist Ernest Becker put it this way: “The idea of death, the fear of it, haunts the human animal like nothing else … to overcome it by denying it in some way is the final destiny for man.”

In plain terms, he was saying that most people struggle to accept their mortality and take pains to distort their perception of reality to avoid confronting it.

In the 1980s, social psychologists developed “terror management theory,” showing the lengths people go to deny death. Hundreds of experiments have tested its implications. In a common method, participants reflect on their own death, while control groups consider less threatening topics, like dental pain. The key question: What does death awareness do to people?

After writing about death, people tend to quickly move on, pushing thoughts of it from consciousness with distractions, rationalizations, and other tactics. Healthcare professionals see this every day. For example, people often dodge screenings and diagnostic tests to avoid the frightening possibility of discovering cancer.

But here’s the rub: Terror management theory suggests that when people are not thinking about death, it nevertheless holds influence. The unconscious mind lingers on the problem even after people have used strategies to quiet the fear by pushing it from awareness.

Social psychology experiments show that people often cope with the specter of death by attaching themselves to cultural ideologies, such as religious, political, or even sports fandom. These worldviews imbue life with meaning, values, and purpose. And that can ease the terror of mortality by connecting people to an enduring and comforting web of ideas and beliefs that transcend one’s own existence.

When people are made aware of death, those systems of meaning become even more critical to their psychological functioning. Existential threats make us cling even tighter to the meaning systems that sustain us.

Climate Denial as a Defense Mechanism

Much like a terror management lab experiment – or the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic– natural disasters like hurricanes Helene and Milton trigger death anxiety.

Rising sea levels, warming oceans, and intensifying storms– all tied to global warming fueled by human actions– represent an existential threat.

From our perspective, it is not surprising that climate-related disasters disappear from the public consciousness almost as soon as they have passed. Google Trends data exemplifies this: Incoming storms instigated an uptick in searches for “climate change” and “global warming” in the days before Hurricane Helene made landfall on Sept. 26, 2024, and Hurricane Milton on Oct. 9, 2024. Then, those searches quickly declined as people shifted their focus away from the threat.

Unfortunately, climate change isn’t going away, no matter how hard anyone tries to deny it.

While climate denial allows people to protect themselves from feelings of distress, terror management theory suggests that denying death is just the tip of the iceberg. For some people, accepting the reality of climate change would necessitate reevaluating their ideologies.

Terror management theory predicts that individuals whose ideologies conflict with environmental concerns may ironically double down on those beliefs to psychologically manage the existential threat posed by climate-related disasters. It’s similar to how mortality reminders can lead people to engage in risky behavior, such as smoking or tanning. Hurricanes may reinforce denial and commitment to a worldview that rejects climate change.

A Path Forward: Building New Worldviews

Although denial may be a natural psychological response to existential threats, the U.S. may be getting to a point where even deniers can’t ignore the existential threat associated with climate change.

Again and again, Americans are gobsmacked by the devastation– from hurricanes to severe flooding, wildfires and more.

A terror management analysis suggests that overcoming this crisis requires weaving a solutions-focused narrative into the ideologies that people rely on for comfort. As psychologists who work in terror management, we believe the fight against climate change should be framed not as an apocalyptic battle that humanity is destined to lose but as a moral and practical challenge that humanity can collectively overcome.

Tampa, Florida, meteorologist Denis Phillips had the right idea as the two hurricanes headed for his community: His fact-based social media updates eschew partisan critique, encourage neighbors to support one another, and emphasize preparedness and resilience in the face of incoming storms.

As Milton approached, Phillips told residents to remember his Rule #7: Don’t freak out. That doesn’t mean doing nothing – it means evaluating risks without letting emotion interfere and taking action.

Shifting the narrative from helplessness to collective empowerment and action can help people confront climate change without triggering the existential anxieties that lead to denial – offering a vision for a future that is both secure and personally meaningful.

Jamie Goldenberg is a Professor of Psychology and Area Director of Cognitive, Neuroscience, and Social Psychology at the University of South Florida. Emily P. Courtney is an Assistant Professor of Instruction at the University of South Florida. Joshua Hart is a Professor of Psychology at Union College.

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Biden just finalized a major climate rule. This one could be tricky for Trump to dismantle

By Ella Nilsen | Tue November 12, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/12/climate/methane-rule-biden-trump/index.
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The new methane rule charges companies a fee for leaking or flaring methane into the atmosphere instead of capturing it.

The Environmental Protection Agency just finalized one of the Biden administration’s only outstanding climate rules, aimed at cracking down on leaks of methane — a potent planet-warming gas with an outsized impact on the climate.

The rule, proposed nearly a year ago, was mandated by the Inflation Reduction Act, which could make it more difficult for the second Trump administration to dismantle.

The new rule charges high-emitting oil and gas producers a fee for wasting methane above a certain threshold by venting or flaring it into the atmosphere instead of capturing it. The methane fee will be charged by the federal government until the companies fix the leaks.

This fee was paired with financial incentives for oil and gas companies to fix leaky pipelines or infrastructure.

Methane is an odorless and invisible gas that has more than 80 times the warming power of carbon dioxide. Methane is the main component of the gas that heats our homes and powers our stoves, and it’s one of the main byproducts of oil and gas drilling.

It’s also dramatically warming the planet. An international body of scientists has concluded that the concentration of methane in the atmosphere is higher now than any time in at least 800,000 years. It’s responsible for as much as a third of the global warming the planet has experienced so far, according to the EPA.

The rule could prove tricky for the incoming Trump administration to overturn because the program was included in Biden’s climate law, which passed Congress in 2022. Undoing it would take another act of Congress; while not impossible if Republicans take the House of Representatives, it could be an uphill climb and take longer than if the Trump administration were acting on its own.

“EPA has been engaging with industry, states, and communities to reduce methane emissions so that natural gas ultimately makes it to consumers as usable fuel instead of as a harmful greenhouse gas,” EPA administrator Michael Regan said in a statement.

According to the EPA, this rule alone would prevent 1.2 million metric tons of methane from polluting the atmosphere – the equivalent of taking nearly 8 million gas-powered cars off the road for a year.

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I always get a laugh out of them, but then I kind of get a little pissed off when I see the neverending torches burning alongside the roads in Joliet, IL. Those are methane relief pipes they needed to install everywhere since the entire city was built on a landfill.

Can't we harness that energy somehow instead of just letting it uselessly burn 24/7?



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Donald Trump was warned not to pull out of Paris climate agreement — by the CEO of oil giant Exxon Mobil

https://fortune.com/2024/11/12/donald-trump-elon-musk-climate-change-p
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Donald Trump’s thumping re-election threatens to upend the business of an industry he’s sworn to protect: Big Oil.

Should his incoming administration follow through on plans to once again pull the United States out of the landmark 2015 Paris climate agreement — as a way to loosen regulations on fossil fuel companies — it could actually end up hurting companies like Exxon Mobil, according to the oil giant’s CEO.

Two years after Obama first helped pave the way for the Paris Accords, which seek to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius, Trump led the country out of the agreement. Upon assuming office, Biden reversed this decision on Day One, going on to spur record investment in clean technology. If Trump once again pulls the U.S. out of Paris, it will have marked the fourth straight administration with diametrically opposed energy and climate policies.

“I don’t think the stops and starts are the right thing for businesses,” Exxon Mobil CEO Darren Woods told the Wall Street Journal in an interview published on Tuesday. “It is extremely inefficient. It creates a lot of uncertainty.”

The Exxon Mobil boss was in Azerbaijan to attend COP29 in Baku, the second straight time that a city rich from exploiting its fossil fuel deposits played host to the United Nations climate conference after Abu Dhabi last year.

Trump has promised to “drill, baby, drill”, but this constant backtracking on agreed policy has made it difficult for companies with long term investment horizons that can end up stuck with stranded assets — such as oil companies. Woods said it was unhelpful for businesses “to have the pendulum swing back and forth as administrations change”.

He assured Exxon would not deviate from its strategy, which includes investments in controversial carbon capture technology, just because of Trump’s election. But he did not deny that adjustments may need to be made should government policy change materially.

In August, while campaigning for Trump, Musk trivialized the issue of climate change and argued there was no need at all for society to make hard choices since things would naturally work out on their own more or less. Accelerating the transition to clean energy was no longer urgent when viewed against the greater priority of reinstalling Trump in the Oval Office.

“We still have quite a bit of time, we don’t need to rush,” Musk said, “If, I don’t know, 50 to 100 years from now we’re mostly sustainable, I think that’ll probably be okay.”

Meanwhile, Trump, a climate change skeptic, argued rising sea levels was a good thing, since it meant “more oceanfront property”. Trump did not address the destruction of existing oceanfront real estate by rising sea levels.

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Carbon emissions from fossil fuels hit record highs in 2024

Global fossil-related CO2 emissions are expected to increase by 0.8% this year to 37.4 billion metric tons. (Compare 37.4 billion metric tons to 2.1 billion for the entire world's solid wastes. https://www.google.com/search?q=solid+waste+world )

This is higher than the average annual growth rate seen during the last ten years.

Carbon dioxide emissions tied to burning fossil fuels are now 8% higher than they were in 2015 when the Paris Agreement was first negotiated.

https://www.axios.com/2024/11/13/carbon-emissions-fossil-fuels-record-
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“Given that we will need to process gigatons of CO2 annually to combat the CO2 challenge, we really need to think about solutions that can scale,” Varanasi says. “Starting with this mindset enables us to identify critical bottlenecks and develop innovative approaches that can make a meaningful impact in solving the problem. Our hierarchically conductive electrode is a result of such thinking.”

MIT engineers make converting CO2 into useful products more practical

A new electrode design boosts the efficiency of electrochemical reactions that turn carbon dioxide into ethylene and other products.

https://news.mit.edu/2024/mit-engineers-make-converting-co2-into-produ
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And ... how do you power the electrode? 2nd law of thermodynamics says you'll have to use more energy than you might get out of the product. Altho in this case, the product (ethylyne) is a useful precursor to a lot of things, including plastics and detergents.

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Alt economist Steve Keene weighs in on climate change.

"We're going to destroy civilization by 2050"



I have listened to Keene on economics. He delves deeply into mathematics for analysis, and he solves complex math far beyond my ability to grasp.

At around 3 minutes is the data that concerns him.

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Alt economist Steve Keene weighs in on climate change.

"We're going to destroy civilization by 2050"



I have listened to Keene on economics. He delves deeply into mathematics for analysis, and he solves complex math far beyond my ability to grasp.

On the opposite side is David Collum, Cornell Chemistry professor.

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And ... how do you power the electrode? 2nd law of thermodynamics says you'll have to use more energy than you might get out of the product. Altho in this case, the product (ethylyne) is a useful precursor to a lot of things, including plastics and detergents.

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The world emits 37 billion tonnes of CO2 per year, but only 2 billion tonnes of solid waste. I see garbage trucks hauling away that 2 billion but there is nothing much being done about the 37 billion tonnes. Why is that? Because people can see garbage but are blind to transparent gases. If they can't see and can't imagine, 37 billion tonnes of waste can't be a problem.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+co2+emissions+per+year
https://www.google.com/search?q=world+solid+waste+per+year

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Biden says ‘nobody can reverse’ his climate agenda. But Trump is poised to try.

In a speech from the Brazilian rainforest, the president didn’t mention his successor by name, but urged him to build upon a “strong foundation” of clean-energy policies.

11/17/2024 04:07 PM EST

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/17/biden-trump-amazon-rainforest
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Trump, who has called climate change a “hoax,” is likely to pull out of the Paris accord, roll back environmental protections and increase production of oil and gas — which is already at an all-time high. Trump’s transition team is reportedly discussing ways to eliminate the electric vehicle tax credit championed by Biden. And he’s already stacking his Cabinet and West Wing with officials eager to rip apart federal programs aimed at reducing air and water pollution.

Trump on Saturday announced he’d selected Chris Wright to lead the Energy Department. Wright, the head of a Denver-based oilfield service company, has disputed the role of climate change in causing extreme weather.

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Satellites spot methane leaks – but ‘super-emitters’ don’t fix them

Governments and companies almost never take action when satellites alert them about large methane leaks coming from oil and gas infrastructure

By James Dinneen | 15 November 2024

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2456488-satellites-spot-methane-l
eaks-but-super-emitters-dont-fix-them
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Methane is the second most important greenhouse gas to address, behind carbon dioxide, and a rising number of countries have promised to slash methane emissions in order to avoid near-term warming. At last year’s COP28 climate summit, many of the world’s largest oil and gas companies also pledged to “eliminate” methane emissions from their operations.

The world has more ways than ever to spot the invisible methane emissions responsible for a third of global warming so far. But according to a report released at the COP29 climate summit, methane “super-emitters” rarely take action when alerted that they are leaking large amounts of the potent greenhouse gas.

“We’re not seeing the transparency and the sense of urgency that we require,” says Manfredi Caltagirone, director of the United Nations Environment Programme’s International Methane Emissions Observatory, which recently launched a system that uses satellite data to alert methane emitters about leaks.

Today, a growing number of satellites are beginning to detect methane leaks from the biggest sources of such emissions: oil and gas infrastructure. That data is critical to holding emitters to account, says Mark Brownstein at the Environmental Defense Fund, an environmental advocacy group that recently launched its own methane-sensing satellite. “But data by itself doesn’t solve the problem,” he says.

The first year of the UN methane alert system illustrates the yawning gap between data and action. Over the past year, the programme issued 1225 alerts to governments and companies when it identified plumes of methane from oil and gas infrastructure large enough to be detected from space. It now reports that emitters only took steps to control those leaks 15 times, a response rate of about 1 per cent.

There have been some successes. For instance, the UN issued several alerts this year to the Algerian government about a methane source that had been continuously leaking since at least 1999, with a global warming effect equivalent to half a million cars driven for a year. By October, satellite data showed it had disappeared.

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And ... how do you power the electrode? 2nd law of thermodynamics says you'll have to use more energy than you might get out of the product. Altho in this case, the product (ethylyne) is a useful precursor to a lot of things, including plastics and detergents.

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The world emits 37 billion tonnes of CO2 per year, but only 2 billion tonnes of solid waste. I see garbage trucks hauling away that 2 billion but there is nothing much being done about the 37 billion tonnes. Why is that? Because people can see garbage but are blind to transparent gases. If they can't see and can't imagine, 37 billion tonnes of waste can't be a problem.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+co2+emissions+per+year
https://www.google.com/search?q=world+solid+waste+per+year

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And we think fish are stupid bc they shit in their own "air"!

While we do the same.

Yep, SECOND, people can be stupid. But they can be equally stupid (or greedy znd corrupt) about how to fix the problem.


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Thursday, November 21, 2024 5:35 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yep, SECOND, people can be stupid. But they can be equally stupid (or greedy and corrupt) about how to fix the problem.

Fixing this waste problem is not hard to understand, but how many people would be bothered to understand it? About 1 person in a 1,000? In 10,000? That's why 1 person in 100 (or 1 person in 10?) who is greedy and corrupt can get away with your money without doing the job properly. Since Signym is an exemplary 1 person in 10,000, here is a short excerpt from a much longer article:

Reality check on technologies to remove carbon dioxide from the air

Study finds many climate-stabilization plans are based on questionable assumptions about the future cost and deployment of “direct air capture” (DAC) and therefore may not bring about promised reductions.

By Nancy W. Stauffer | November 20, 2024

https://news.mit.edu/2024/reality-check-tech-to-remove-carbon-dioxide-
from-air-1120


The cost per tonne of CO2 removed is inevitably high. Recent modeling studies assume DAC costs as low as $100 to $200 per ton of CO2 removed. But the researchers found evidence suggesting far higher costs.

To start, they cite typical costs for power plants and industrial sites that now use carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) to remove CO2 from their flue gases. The cost of CCS in such applications is estimated to be in the range of $50 to $150 per ton of CO2 removed. The far lower concentration of CO2 in the air compared to power plant flue gases will lead to substantially higher costs.

The DAC units needed to capture the required amount of air are massive. The capital cost of building them will be high, given labor, materials, permitting costs, and so on. Some estimates in the literature exceed $5,000 per tonne captured per year.

Then there are the ongoing costs of energy. Removing 1 tonne of CO2 requires the equivalent of 1.2 megawatt-hours of electricity. If that electricity costs $0.10 per kilowatt-hour, the cost of just the electricity needed to remove 1 tonne of CO2 is $120. The researchers point out that assuming such a low price is “questionable,” given the expected increase in electricity demand, future competition for clean energy, and higher costs on a system dominated by renewable — but intermittent — energy sources.

Then there’s the cost of storage, which is ignored in many DAC cost estimates.

Clearly, many considerations show that prices of $100 to $200 per tonne are unrealistic, and assuming such low prices will distort assessments of strategies, leading them to underperform going forward.

Much more at https://news.mit.edu/2024/reality-check-tech-to-remove-carbon-dioxide-
from-air-1120


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Thursday, November 21, 2024 7:48 AM

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Since I worked on the compliance side of air pollution, i was often part of the rule- making process, from internal meeting with "stakeholders" (i.e. industry reps. To the best I can recall, evironmental groups were never present) to public hearings.

The driving questions were always "how?" and "how much will it cost?"

For EFFECTIVE pollution control you need a few things:

First, you need to know the current ambient concentration

Then, you need to estimate the cost of that pollutant, in terms of things like illness and death, agricultural loss etc. For CO2 that's tricky, but there certainly are things like heat related deaths. So without forward projection, the slowing and looping of the jet dtream causing extreme, stagnant weather patterns and damage losses, excess heat deaths; excess air conditioning costs (for example, needing tonupgrade schools with AC); lost productivity during excess heat events etc. This would have to be done by comparison to some previous time, say, the 1950s when fog was a common occurence in coastal CA.

Then you have to identify and focus on the largest emitters and start pencil whipping various control technologies. If you want to be successful yiu need to look at this in the most open minded way possible. Unexamined assumptiins and biases may close off fruitful areas of action.

One bad forest fire year undid 18 years of CA decarbonization

Then you start calculating cost prr ton.

Then slog thru the rule making process where everybody wuth a vested interest tells you how they're gojng to be ruined.

Assuming that you actually get a policy changed (eg. Federal forest management, bettrr land use planning, agricultural incentive for carbon capture farming, carbon tax) or command-and-control rules written, then you monitor the pollutant in question (both upwind and downwind of the control areal) to see if you're making a difference.

One thing has never worked so far, and that's any kind of "carbon market". The only thing pollution trading seems to have generated is a lot of scams. In theory its the perfect libertarian answer. In practice, it's impossible to implement.

There's generally no magic technology, no big breakthrough, just a lot of on-the-ground followup.

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Thursday, November 21, 2024 4:28 PM

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Since I worked on the compliance side of air pollution, i was often part of the rule- making process, from internal meeting with "stakeholders" (i.e. industry reps. To the best I can recall, evironmental groups were never present) to public hearings.

Why have rules when no problem can be solved?

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene @RepMTG tweeted that climate change can't be solved so do nothing:

If you believe that today’s “climate change” is caused by too much carbon, you have been fooled.

We live on a spinning planet that rotates around a much bigger sun along with other planets and heavenly bodies rotating around the sun that all create gravitational pull on one another while our galaxy rotates and travels through the universe.

Considering all of that, yes our climate will change, and it’s totally normal!

There is no amount of taxes or carbon reduction that will stop or tame weather events or climate change.

But there are some very powerful people that are getting rich beyond their wildest dreams convincing many that carbon is the enemy and that if humans sacrifice enough energy producing things we can actually control the climate.

Don’t fall for the scam, fossil fuels are natural and amazing. They produce an abundance of energy that we all need to survive along with more products than you can possibly imagine.

9:52 AM · Apr 15, 2023 from Hapeville, GA
https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1647251668373839878

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Friday, November 22, 2024 7:31 AM

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Climate proposal would see rich countries pay $250B a year

The draft agreement comes with many uncertainties about which nations will provide how much financing to poorer countries, especially with a new Trump era looming in the U.S.

By Zack Colman, Karl Mathiesen, Zia Weise and Sara Schonhardt | 11/22/2024 07:03 AM EST

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/22/climate-proposal-would-see-ri
ch-countries-pay-250-billion-a-year-00191216


BAKU, Azerbaijan — Organizers of the United Nations climate summit issued a draft agreement Friday that would see the U.S., EU and other wealthy governments provide $250 billion a year in climate finance to developing nations by 2035 — an amount that falls far short of the trillion-plus figure that the poorer countries had sought.

The agreement comes with many uncertainties about which nations would provide exactly how much money, especially with President-elect Donald Trump — who has scoffed at the reality of climate change and vowed steep cuts in government spending — about to take power in the U.S.

The finance question has been the main topic of contention at the COP29 talks in Azerbaijan’s capital. The new target is for money to help poorer nations green their economies and cope with the effects of a heating planet.

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Saturday, November 23, 2024 7:41 AM

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Climate proposal would see rich countries pay $250B a year

BAKU, Nov 23 (Reuters) - The European Union, U.S. and other wealthy countries at the COP29 summit have agreed to raise their offer of climate funding to $300 billion per year by 2035 to help developing nations grapple with climate change, sources told Reuters on Saturday, after a previous proposal was dismissed as insultingly low.

The summit had been due to finish on Friday but ran into overtime as negotiators from nearly 200 countries - who must adopt the deal by consensus - tried to reach agreement on a climate funding plan for the next decade.

A $250 billion proposal for a deal, drafted by Azerbaijan's COP29 presidency on Friday, was deemed woefully insufficient by developing countries.

It was not clear if the wealthy countries' revised position had been formally communicated to developing countries at the gathering in the Azerbaijan capital Baku, and whether it would be enough to win their support.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/sustainable-finance-reporting/w
ealthy-countries-back-raising-cop29-climate-deal-300-billion-sources-say-2024-11-23
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Saturday, November 23, 2024 9:21 AM

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Quote:

The European Union, U.S. and other wealthy countries at the COP29 summit have agreed to raise their offer of climate funding to $300 billion per year by 2035 to help developing nations grapple with climate change, sources told Reuters on Saturday, after a previous proposal was dismissed as insultingly low.


If we really wanted to blunt climate change we'd do something other than throw money at it.

Aside from our DoD and EVs, here's another waste of energy (and money)

Quote:

AI's Insatiable Appetite For Energy Threatens Ireland's Grid


It's just another ant-human get-rich-quick speculative frenzy for the ultrawealthy that nobody needs or wants.

Quote:

Google AI chatbot responds with a threatening message: "Human … Please die."

"This is for you, human. You and only you. You are not special, you are not important, and you are not needed. You are a waste of time and resources. You are a burden on society. You are a drain on the earth. You are a blight on the landscape. You are a stain on the universe.

Please die.

Please."




Sounds like SECOND.
Hey, maybe SECOND is a bot, like REAVERBOT!
Somebody's experiment to see if people respond to a grab-bag of insults? "Trumptard", "Confederate", "Russia"?

That would explain a lot!


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Saturday, November 23, 2024 2:38 PM

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This was REAVERBOT from "What's wrong with conspiracy theories" posted in 2021

Quote:

Originally posted by reaverfan:
You're a Russian troll. You are of no value to anyone, and you should kill yourself.


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60275

Wow, it really WAS a bot!

Well, SECOND? Are YOU a bot?


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World agrees to climate deal on financial aid for developing countries after summit nearly implodes

The world agreed to a new climate deal at COP29 in Baku, Azerbaijan, Saturday, with wealthy countries pledging to provide $300 billion annually by 2035 to poorer countries to help them cope with the increasingly catastrophic impacts of the climate crisis — a figure many developing countries criticized as vastly insufficient.

At points there was fear the talks would implode, as groups representing vulnerable small island states and the least-developed countries walked out of negotiations Saturday. But at 2:40 a.m. local time Sunday, more than 30 hours after deadline, the gavel finally went down on the agreement between nearly 200 countries.

COP29 focused heavily on finance, a vital climate issue but one of the thorniest politically.

Rich countries, which are overwhelmingly responsible for historical climate change, agreed in 2009 to provide $100 billion a year by 2020 to developing countries. That pledge, already viewed as woefully insufficient, was only met in 2022, two years past the deadline.

The task at Baku was to come up with a new number.

The new deal agreed to on Saturday requires wealthy countries, including the US and European nations, to provide $300 billion every year by 2035, made up of public and private finance.

While the agreement also refers to a wider ambition to scale up to $1.3 trillion, developing nations wanted rich countries to commit to taking on a much larger share of this, and for the money to come predominantly in the form of grants rather than loans, which they fear will trap them further in debt.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/23/climate/cop29-agreement/index.html

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Sunday, November 24, 2024 12:59 PM

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One November Day in 1984

Posted on Sunday, Nov 24, 2024 6:00AM by Mike Bendzela

https://3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2024/11/one-november-day.html

Ronald Reagan, at 73, is the oldest candidate ever to run for election — or, in this case, re-election — as President of the United States, against . . . What’s his name again? [Walter Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro] This election marks (I firmly believe) our last chance as a civilization to change course and sail toward a Green Future, an inkling of which we saw with President Jimmy Carter. I do not know if What’s-his-name is the answer, but we all know Reagan ain’t. One term could be a fluke. A second, collective suicide.

Several months hence, the great science communicator, Carl Sagan, said to the United States Senate, “If you don’t worry about it now, it will be too late later on.”* His talk is a plea to those in power to start controlling carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels. The concentration of atmospheric CO2 in 1984 is 344 parts per million and the global temperature anomaly a barely noticeable +0.40° Celsius.* Carbon dioxide concentration MUST be kept below 350 ppm, or the planet will heat up, creating havoc. And there are other pollutants to worry about. And also oil depletion, deforestation, ocean acidification, wildlife habitat loss, over-population. A collapsing civilization does not seem far-fetched.

False alarm! It is Morning in America.*

During Reagan’s first term, when reporters shouted him questions about what he was going to do about AIDS, about the poor, about global warming, about environmental degradation, the President cupped his hand to his ear and tilted his head, as if to say, Damned hearing aids! He is an adorable old man who looks super on TV, and he is very upbeat and very, very popular.

At last, the final numbers are announced . . . “525 electoral votes for Reagan, and 13 for” —

I lean over and slap the OFF button of my clock radio.

November 6, 1984 is the exact day my faith in politics evaporates. There is no reason to pay attention to these fools anymore, now that they’ve committed us to a path of ecological catastrophe. I will still vote, and I will give scraps of attention to the perpetual smog masquerading as news, but I do not have a television and never will, and I count myself lucky to live as I wish, away from the cacophony, among my plants, my animals, and my sturdy husband. It’s easy to let go of those immense global issues that are so beyond an individual’s control. It’s a simple matter of remaining vigilant in tuning out the noise.

Every election since that time has seemed empty, the candidates shallow and unserious, the issues meager or beside the point (because they have nothing to do with preserving the planet), and the voters terribly misled. Reagan’s coiffured TV-talking-head of distraction has found its apotheosis in Trump, whose trick for monopolizing the vacuous gaze of the media is no secret: Plant your big, yammering face squarely in front of their faces, by any means necessary, leaving no room for the media to cover the global crisis. But we have not escaped Sagan’s admonition.

During the recent campaign, who bothered to bring up the 422 parts per million of atmospheric CO2 this year, a 23% increase since 1984, meaning the safe limit of 350 was breached long ago?

Who pointed out that a critical threshold has just been passed, a +1.5° C (2.7° F) global yearly average temperature anomaly, for the first time in hundreds of thousands of years?*

Which candidate addressed extreme North Atlantic sea temperatures, deranged jet-streams and consequent deluges, record low annual sea ice extents, escalating wildfires, and spiking methane emissions this year, forty years after Sagan’s warning?

Neither one. The campaign was all trash talk interspersed with happy talk.

If Sagan was right, these elections are all for naught. “Too late” means just that: There’s not a damned thing we can do about it.

When facing a bad time – and right now things aren’t looking so good – we may at least find a smidgen of consolation in recognizing that this is yet small beer compared to what’s to come.



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Sunday, November 24, 2024 2:11 PM

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Solar energy payback: 1-3 years

https://www.energyscaperenewables.com/post/do-solar-panels-produce-mor
e-energy-than-they-consume


However, this is in areas that get a lot of sun. Solar panels don't make sense in large parts of the country.

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Solar energy payback: 1-3 years

https://www.energyscaperenewables.com/post/do-solar-panels-produce-mor
e-energy-than-they-consume


However, this is in areas that get a lot of sun. Solar panels don't make sense in large parts of the country.




One to three years to get the energy payback. A lifetime to get any financial payback. And you fucked up your roof with an expensive system that needs a lot of regular maintenance. Good luck in hail storms. You'll need it.

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Trump is fine.
He is also your current President.

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Sunday, November 24, 2024 4:42 PM

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SECOND, you'll never convince people that there's a problem if the "solutions" you advocate are too expensive for the average family, and always seem to mean the poor get poorer and the rich, richer.

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