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Russian missile system is what ‘shot down Azerbaijan Airlines plane’

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Thursday, December 26, 2024 12:22 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Claim - Russian missile system is what ‘shot down Azerbaijan Airlines plane’

News is reporting Russia messed up

some thought bird strike because of the first Russian reports

news said not jihadi islamist terrorism

not pilot error

We have a number of travel, shipping, tourism threads and the Boeing thread might not be suitable, nor any firefly threads of MIGs Eastern European war front etc

but according to news this is Another cluster fuckup of Putin's Legacy just like the MH17 a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-backed forces

Embraer E-Jet a series of four-abreast, narrow-body, short- to medium-range, twin-engined jet airliners designed and produced by Brazilian aerospace manufacturer Embraer. It was flying from Baku, Azerbaijan, to Grozny a Chechen area, Russia, which was operated by Azerbaijan Airlines. It falls out of the sky 25th December 2024 with pilots fighting for control trying to make the landing, the Embraer 190 operating the route crashed near Aktau International Airport, Kazakhstan, with 62 passengers and 5 crew on board. It was flying from Baku to Grozny in the Russian republic of Chechnya but had been rerouted due to fog in Grozny.

Exclusive: Preliminary investigation confirms Russian missile caused Azerbaijan Airlines crash
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-preliminary-investigation-confirms
-russian-151123807.html


Azerbaijan believes Russian air defence system led to jet crash - reports
https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/azerbaijan-believes-russian-air-d
efence-system-led-to-jet-crash-reports/news-story/1be650dcd696d427aa3b1ae5725f1432


Signs Point To Russian Air Defense Downing Azerbaijan Airlines Embraer 190 Aircraft
https://simpleflying.com/signs-point-russian-air-defense-downed-azerba
ijan-airlines-embraer-190-aircraft
/

Azerbaijan Airlines down near Aktau airport
https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/663269-azerbaijan-airline
s-down-near-aktau-airport.html


Who shot down the Azerbaijan Airlines flight J2-8243
https://forums.somd.com/threads/who-shot-down-the-azerbaijan-airlines-
flight-j2-8243.407366
/

Azerbaijan Airlines plane crashes near Kazakhstan's Aktau Airport
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1498485&st
art=50


idiot Russians or grossly negligent, the bird strike might have been used as a cover up excuse


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Thursday, December 26, 2024 12:58 PM

SIGNYM

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Video of the planes fuselage shows damage consistent with shrapnel. Unless there's an extremely unusual drone, that's consistent with a surface to air missile.

Supposedly Russia was fending off a drone swarm over Grozny at the time. Airspace should be closed over cities under attack. But this is speculation at this point. Waiting for more info.

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Thursday, December 26, 2024 2:29 PM

JAYNEZTOWN




Preliminary investigation confirms Russian missile caused Azerbaijan Airlines crash

https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/26/exclusive-preliminary-investigatio
n-confirms-russian-missile-over-grozny-caused-aktau-cras



Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 was a scheduled international passenger flight


MH17 and now the Azerbaijan flight, both caused by nut job soldiers during their war on Ukraine. Azerbaijani officials told Reuters that they believed Russian air defences were responsible for the accident
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-
was-downed-by-russian-air-defence-system-four-sources-2024-12-26
/

In total, 38 people died in the accident, including both pilots; 29 people survived.



There is footage inside the aircraft

he makes prayers to this al-Lah entity or fictional Arabia god creature

the sad fact of this event is it looks like they knew they were going to die

One of the passengers on Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 sent a video to his wife just minutes befor
https://old.bitchute.com/video/f0ozHcclrEZw/

it looks like the pilot actually did a good job of flying an uncontrollable aircraft and getting any part of it near the ground but unfortunately it flips, hits hard and explodes

GRAPHIC: Azerbaijan Airlines Plane Crash In Kazakhstan Leaves 38 Dead

https://rumble.com/v630wdq-graphic-azerbaijan-airlines-plane-crash-in-
kazakhstan-leaves-38-dead.html




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Friday, December 27, 2024 6:13 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Russia ‘mistook Azerbaijan plane for drone & shot it down with missile’ killing 38 as panicky Putin closed air space
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32510118/russia-mistook-azerbaijan-plane
-drone
/

Deadly crash caused by ‘external interference’, says Azerbaijan
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/the-wall-street-journal/dead
ly-crash-caused-by-external-interference-says-azerbaijan/news-story/f133a7902d6a729ea9efa184495c2e5c


Russia blames birds for Azerbaijan Airlines crash; evidence points to Russian missile
https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-blames-birds-for-azerbaijan-airlines-
crash-evidence-points-to-russian-missile/7916011.html

Multiple shrapnel holes in the plane’s fuselage and its altitude at the time of incident contradict the bird theory.

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Saturday, December 28, 2024 12:46 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Have we had a list of civilian airliners that Russia shoots down?
MH17
KAL007. Although I'm willing to chalk this one up to know-it-all passengers who always need to have their devices on - and maybe trying to win The Darwin Award.

Was there an Israeli flight shot down?
Was there a planeload of Polish Generals shot down?

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Sunday, December 29, 2024 9:46 PM

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in the end of the day gossip says Russia said sky is safe but did same to Prigozhin plane?

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Sunday, December 29, 2024 9:55 PM

SIGNYM

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The airspace of ANY area under attack, or above an area of active military conflict MUST BE CLOSED.

MH17 was allowed to fly over an area of active military conflict. One question which AFAIK has NEVER been answered is why the airspace wasn't closed.


Grozny was under drone attack, all planes in the area should have been turned away. But there were probably some planes that were mixed in with the drones.

I don't know how much Russian air defenses are self guided. Maybe someone can detail that.

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Sunday, December 29, 2024 10:05 PM

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Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (KE007/KAL007)[note 2] was a scheduled Korean Air Lines flight from New York City to Seoul via Anchorage, Alaska. On September 1, 1983, the flight was shot down by a Soviet Sukhoi Su-15 interceptor aircraft. The Boeing 747 airliner was en route from Anchorage to Seoul, but owing to a navigational mistake made by the crew, the airliner drifted from its planned route and flew through Soviet prohibited airspace over underground silos with intercontinental ballistic missiles. The Soviet Air Forces treated the unidentified aircraft as an intruding U.S. spy plane, and destroyed it with air-to-air missiles, after firing warning shots.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

As I recall, Soviet interceptor jets flew alongside, attempted radio contact, showed their missiles, and fired warning shots but the KAL crew stayed mute, instructed passengers to close blinds and keep lights off, and didn't change course. There was the allegation at the time that the KAL airliner flew over the Soviet Union on purpose, at the request of the USA, bc how else to explain their suspicious behavior?

The cell phone was JUST introduced in 1983. https://www.practicallynetworked.com/history-of-the-cell-phone/ What kind of "devices" do you think passengers were carrying onboard back then?

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In 1988, a US Navy warship shot down an Iranian passenger plane in the heat of battle
Iran Air Flight 655, an Airbus A300 with 290 people on board, was blown from the skies by a missile fired from the guided-missile cruiser USS Vincennes as it flew over the Persian Gulf from Iran to Dubai on July 3, 1988.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/middleeast/iran-air-flight-655-us-milit
ary-intl-hnk/index.html


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Monday, December 30, 2024 2:23 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (KE007/KAL007)[note 2] was a scheduled Korean Air Lines flight from New York City to Seoul via Anchorage, Alaska. On September 1, 1983, the flight was shot down by a Soviet Sukhoi Su-15 interceptor aircraft. The Boeing 747 airliner was en route from Anchorage to Seoul, but owing to a navigational mistake made by the crew, the airliner drifted from its planned route and flew through Soviet prohibited airspace over underground silos with intercontinental ballistic missiles. The Soviet Air Forces treated the unidentified aircraft as an intruding U.S. spy plane, and destroyed it with air-to-air missiles, after firing warning shots.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

As I recall, Soviet interceptor jets flew alongside, attempted radio contact, showed their missiles, and fired warning shots but the KAL crew stayed mute, instructed passengers to close blinds and keep lights off, and didn't change course. There was the allegation at the time that the KAL airliner flew over the Soviet Union on purpose, at the request of the USA, bc how else to explain their suspicious behavior?

The cell phone was JUST introduced in 1983. https://www.practicallynetworked.com/history-of-the-cell-phone/ What kind of "devices" do you think passengers were carrying onboard back then?

Yes, that looks like about the 10th version of the story, retroactively crafted. Always the most accurate version of any story. That is how you know Lee Oswald was The Lone Gunman capable of superhuman feats. That wiki entry is even widely made fun of for it's bias and omissions.



1G (Generation 1) cellular communications with phones was issued in 1979.
Portable computers from several companies had been around since mid 1970s.
Transistor radios had been around for decades. Although the actual transistors, used through the 60s, did not normally cause problems unless they were configured to emulate a chip. When radios were switched to chip-based, then they became deadly.
And all those annoying brats with their Nintendos all over the planes, since 1979.

Any powered electronics with an Integrated Circuit clocked chip was the problem.

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Monday, December 30, 2024 3:06 AM

SIGNYM

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Yes, that looks like about the 10th version of the story, retroactively crafted.
The difference between you and me, SON, is that I was alive at the time.

The maneuver of the interceptor jet rolling had to be explained to me that it was showing its missiles. It was also flashing its navigation lights. The warning shots were self explanatory.

But apparently none if this was visible to KAL007.

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Monday, December 30, 2024 3:39 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Yes, that looks like about the 10th version of the story, retroactively crafted.
The difference between you and me, SON, is that I was alive at the time.

The maneuver of the interceptor jet rolling had to be explained to me that it was showing its missiles.

The warning shots were self explanatory.

That's weird, grandma. I don't recall seeing you working on the birds, with the rest of us professionals. You must have been cowering in some REMF office, while we did the work.
Just because you were old when Al Bell invented the phone clearly does not mean you comprehend any of the technical problems in modern aircraft, military or commercial.

I recall most of the versions of the story. We discussed each version as they rolled out. As we discussed all aviation related concerns.

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Monday, December 30, 2024 4:03 AM

SIGNYM

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I don't need to be "working on birds" to understand events, if they're explained clealry. Transcriptsshiw that a Soviet interceptor did try to alert the KAL007 pilot.

But what are you arguing about? Is it your contention that somebody with a "device" interfered with KAL007 navigation? If not ... what's your point?

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