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This was a long time coming. One more correct prediction under my belt.

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Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs.
I am haunted by waters.

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Since it has happened all we Canadians do is hope that Pierre Poilievre doesn't get in. We have a Federal election coming up at some point this year.

I will hear all about it on the news tonight.

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Good riddance.

This was a long time coming. One more correct prediction under my belt.

Fuck you Justin.

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Since it has happened all we Canadians do is hope that Pierre Poilivre doesn't get in. We have a Federal election coming up at some point this year.

I will hear all about it on the news tonight.

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Since it has happened all we Canadians do is hope that Pierre Poilivre doesn't get in. We have a Federal election coming up at some point this year.

I will hear all about it on the news tonight.

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How do you see Poilivre?

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Since it has happened all we Canadians do is hope that Pierre Poilivre doesn't get in. We have a Federal election coming up at some point this year.

I will hear all about it on the news tonight.

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How do you see Poilivre?


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I see Poilievre as almost a Republican in your sense. He's too far right for my taste.

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At least we have at least three Premiers that he won't want to really deal with and that is Doug Ford, who has threatened to shut down electricity to the states bordering us.
2nd could be David Eby, who is the Premier of my province. You need our soft wood for building. This has been a bone of contention since I was a kid. US puts tariffs on it then we retaliate. Back and forth.
3rd could be the Premier of Alberta Danielle Smith. Oil and gas rich Alberta, which is sold to the US. Even though she is a Conservative like Doug Ford, she might put up a fight.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Since it has happened all we Canadians do is hope that Pierre Poilivre doesn't get in. We have a Federal election coming up at some point this year.

I will hear all about it on the news tonight.

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How do you see Poilivre?


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I see Poilievre as almost a Republican in your sense. He's too far right for my taste.

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I hope you'll tell me more about this.

Is he fiscally conservative? i.e. wanting to cut the national budget? If so, does he have his axe sharpened for health care? Or any other particular program?

Is he socially conservative? i.e. wanting to get back to "old fashioned values" of man-eoman marriage?

Is he nationalistic? "Canada for Canadians?" Anti-immigrant? Against first nations heritage?

Is he economically conservative? Full-on pro- industry and commodity extraction, global warming and environmental concerns be damned?

Is he isolationist? Withdraw from the rest of the world?

How does he view the USA under Trump? Potential partner? Frenemy?

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At least we have at least three Premiers that he won't want to really deal with and that is Doug Ford, who has threatened to shut down electricity to the states bordering us.
2nd could be David Eby, who is the Premier of my province. You need our soft wood for building. This has been a bone of contention since I was a kid. US puts tariffs on it then we retaliate. Back and forth.
3rd could be the Premier of Alberta Danielle Smith. Oil and gas rich Alberta, which is sold to the US. Even though she is a Conservative like Doug Ford, she might put up a fight.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
Since it has happened all we Canadians do is hope that Pierre Poilivre doesn't get in. We have a Federal election coming up at some point this year.

I will hear all about it on the news tonight.

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How do you see Poilivre?


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I see Poilievre as almost a Republican in your sense. He's too far right for my taste.

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I hope you'll tell me more about this.

Is he fiscally conservative? i.e. wanting to cut the national budget? If so, does he have his axe sharpened for health care? Or any other particular program?

Is he socially conservative? i.e. wanting to get back to "old fashioned values" of man-eoman marriage?

Is he nationalistic? "Canada for Canadians?" Anti-immigrant? Against first nations heritage?

Is he economically conservative? Full-on pro- industry and commodity extraction, global warming and environmental concerns be damned?

Is he isolationist? Withdraw from the rest of the world?

How does he view the USA under Trump? Potential partner? Frenemy?

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At least we have at least three Premiers that he won't want to really deal with and that is Doug Ford, who has threatened to shut down electricity to the states bordering us.
2nd could be David Eby, who is the Premier of my province. You need our soft wood for building. This has been a bone of contention since I was a kid. US puts tariffs on it then we retaliate. Back and forth.
3rd could be the Premier of Alberta Danielle Smith. Oil and gas rich Alberta, which is sold to the US. Even though she is a Conservative like Doug Ford, she might put up a fight.

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Don't think he has mentioned cutting programs in the national budget. But he could try and ramp up our military spending. I'm just not sure the Canadian economy could handle that without maybe taking a bite out of something.

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nHe doesn't hit me as socially conservative but I haven't heard him speak in campaign mode. Yet. So have to see on that one.

Trudeau had scaled back immigration before he resigned and Poilievre could cut it back more. First Nations have a grand council and grand chief who deals with Ottawa and that has always been contentious and he could make that more so.

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In the last years there have been deals over pipe lines for oil like Key Stone. That he was against but that more to do with what the government paid for the line.

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He might try to pull us back from somethings, like say Ukraine.

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He has said that he sees the USA under Trump as a potential partner.

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Okay, lets call Poilievre Republican-lite until the election and I can get a better handle on what he actually thinks.

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*Ford is from Ontario and states like Wisconsin and Michigan get a lot of energy from there. So, he could put the brakes on it and water."

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Eby as I said is from my province of BC and a lot of our soft wood goes down there. When we put prices up on the wood, down there a tariff is placed on it then we find something from the US to put a tariff on. I've been watching this since I was child. Back and forth, like a ping pong match.

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Now, I should point out that I don't like Danielle Smith because she is a Conservative and I think she is making a mess out of Alberta in my eyes. She wanted to cut health care in Alberta and was ready to battle Ottawa over it. All the provinces can do with healthcare payments from Ottawa is decide what it is used on. Anyway I digress and I have a soft spot for Alberta. My dad was from there. Oil and gas from Alberta is sold in the US, so she too could turn off the taps.

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51st State or British Colony

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

This was a long time coming. One more correct prediction under my belt.

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Everyone predicted this, he's been in power almost forever so you are not allowed take credits on this one.

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I can assure you that neither Ted nor Second predicted this.

It makes no difference when he came to power. It only makes a difference when I first said it, which was well after Joe Biden* was President. It was during peak covid, after he was freezing truck driver's bank accounts and ruining their lives because they dared disobey his word.

It also makes no difference if "everybody" predicted that he was going to resign or get booted either. Everybody knew that Deadpool and Wolverine was going to be a hit this year, but I take credit with that easy 2024 movie prediction along with the hard ones too. And speaking of movies, I know a lot of guys who have been saying that it's Kathleen Kennedy's final days at Disney more than twice as long as I said Tredeau was done.

And the difference between Ted's half-a-dozen concurrent "Tick Tock" threads is that Ted has never had a correct prediction out of any of them, despite some of them being 5 and 6 years old. What's worse with those is that until they all failed, they were all being regularly bumped up to the top all that time too.

My prediction for this thread? It fades off the top page within a week, only to ever return to the top if Justin makes the news years from now and you necropost it to the top.

In fact, I would have posted this in the thread where I initially predicted that Tredeau was gone, but I wouldn't have a clue if that was on page 2 or page 250 or how many times that you've necroposted it since I initially made it. I don't get to use that "feature" of the website anymore because you broke it.



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Chrystia Freeland, rabid anti-Russian Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance, quit Trudeau's wildly unpopular government Dec 17, 2024.
https://apnews.com/article/finance-minister-chrystia-freeland-resigns-
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She was widely considered the brains behind woke, globalist, boy-puppet Trudeau.

Not knowing Canadian politics, IDK if her resignation caused Trudeau to quit, or if it was a "rats leaving a sinking ship" indication of a government already falling apart.

"Why is Trudeau so unpopular?" search result

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/justin-trudeau-unpopular-canada-prime-m
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Originally posted by Brenda:
Since it has happened all we Canadians do is hope that Pierre Poilivre doesn't get in. We have a Federal election coming up at some point this year.

I will hear all about it on the news tonight.

SIGNY:
How do you see Poilivre?


BRENDA:

I see Poilievre as almost a Republican in your sense. He's too far right for my taste.

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I hope you'll tell me more about this.

Is he fiscally conservative? i.e. wanting to cut the national budget? If so, does he have his axe sharpened for health care? Or any other particular program?

Is he socially conservative? i.e. wanting to get back to "old fashioned values" of man-eoman marriage?

Is he nationalistic? "Canada for Canadians?" Anti-immigrant? Against first nations heritage?

Is he economically conservative? Full-on pro- industry and commodity extraction, global warming and environmental concerns be damned?

Is he isolationist? Withdraw from the rest of the world?

How does he view the USA under Trump? Potential partner? Frenemy?

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At least we have at least three Premiers that he won't want to really deal with and that is Doug Ford, who has threatened to shut down electricity to the states bordering us.
2nd could be David Eby, who is the Premier of my province. You need our soft wood for building. This has been a bone of contention since I was a kid. US puts tariffs on it then we retaliate. Back and forth.
3rd could be the Premier of Alberta Danielle Smith. Oil and gas rich Alberta, which is sold to the US. Even though she is a Conservative like Doug Ford, she might put up a fight.

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Don't think he has mentioned cutting programs in the national budget. But he could try and ramp up our military spending. I'm just not sure the Canadian economy could handle that without maybe taking a bite out of something.

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I can't imagine why he'd want to increase military spending. Unless he's trying to protect Canada's southern border from those horrible loudmouth Americans who keep sneaking over.

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nHe doesn't hit me as socially conservative but I haven't heard him speak in campaign mode. Yet. So have to see on that one.

Trudeau had scaled back immigration before he resigned and Poilievre could cut it back more. First Nations have a grand council and grand chief who deals with Ottawa and that has always been contentious and he could make that more so.

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That could be a problem. Here in the states, the Federal government has a history of taking resources away from indigenes. Even today, if something (shale oil, right of way) valuable is found on native land. I hope that doesnt happen there.

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In the last years there have been deals over pipe lines for oil like Key Stone. That he was against but that more to do with what the government paid for the line.

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what do you think about pipelines transporting (what I assume is) tar sands oil? I've read that alot of farmers and ranchers are against them bc tar sands have a lot of sulfur in them, and leaking H2S has sickened herds.

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He might try to pull us back from somethings, like say Ukraine.

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I certainly hope so. I'm not sure OUR budget can stand the expense. Seems not a good deal for Canada either.

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He has said that he sees the USA under Trump as a potential partner.

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Okay, lets call Poilievre Republican-lite until the election and I can get a better handle on what he actually thinks.

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Cool! Let me know, if you got the time. I'm always curious (my family says "nosy") about whassup.

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*Ford is from Ontario and states like Wisconsin and Michigan get a lot of energy from there. So, he could put the brakes on it and water."

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I remember his brother. Wild and crazy, and high on cocaine they say. I hope THIS Ford is a little calmer!

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Eby as I said is from my province of BC and a lot of our soft wood goes down there. When we put prices up on the wood, down there a tariff is placed on it then we find something from the US to put a tariff on. I've been watching this since I was child. Back and forth, like a ping pong match.

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Huh! I never knew!
I know wood prices have gone up hugely since Covid. Same price increase up there?

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Now, I should point out that I don't like Danielle Smith because she is a Conservative and I think she is making a mess out of Alberta in my eyes. She wanted to cut health care in Alberta and was ready to battle Ottawa over it. All the provinces can do with healthcare payments from Ottawa is decide what it is used on. Anyway I digress and I have a soft spot for Alberta. My dad was from there. Oil and gas from Alberta is sold in the US, so she too could turn off the taps.

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Yeah, I guess bc of Trump's threatened tariffs, Canadian pols and looking for a way to hurt USA back.

Yanno, Canada is a lot like Russia: bountiful resources, not overpopulated. Even better: well developed infrastructure and educated people.

Unfortunately too tied into USA trade, finance, and politics. And with the USA having gone nuts over the past 30 years or so ... and probably continuing to thrash around for the foreseeable future ... Canada just gets pulled into all the craziness. Picking a fight with China. Ukraine. Real estate speculation. Woke-ism. At least you're not hemorrhaging money into Israel, and trying to maintain a world empire and currency hegemony. AND, YOU HAVE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE!


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Just as an aside: One of my other Canadian friends grew up in Rainy River, ONT. Seems like now they're trying to control the border by putting up gates at the border crossing, but also seems hardly worthwhile with miles and miles of (beautiful) forest on either side


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It's nice that Canada gets to have healthcare because the US spends all its money on military.

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Healthcare cost 1/100th of what it does today before you were born. There is no other expense that has risen even close to how much above inflation healthcare has increased since 1980.

This wasn't a dig at Canada specifically. This is a dig at every Western World country that gets to do things like Universal Healthcare while looking down at America because they don't have to fund any meaningful military with the US playing world police.

It's frustrating. We need to stop doing that.

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Canadian military being looked down on bugs me. We might not have the biggest military in the world but our forces are well trained. The idea of peace keeping troops was Canadian. We were in Cyprus for I don't know how long. We've been in Africa. We've tried in the last few years to help Haiti. We've had our troops in the middle east.

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Healthcare cost 1/100th of what it does today before you were born. There is no other expense that has risen even close to how much above inflation healthcare has increased since 1980.

This wasn't a dig at Canada specifically. This is a dig at every Western World country that gets to do things like Universal Healthcare while looking down at America because they don't have to fund any meaningful military with the US playing world police.

It's frustrating. We need to stop doing that.

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Okay, I do know that cost of healthcare has risen since I was born. All over the world its risen.

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That's an understatement, at least in the US. My brother had a brain hemmorage which required surgery from the top neuro-surgeon in the country, and he spent the next 4 months in the hospital with 3 different physical therapists visiting him for an hour every day.

The entire bill for that, around 35 years ago, was under $100,000. It would have been $10 Million today.

Today you go to get an ultrasound for testicular cancer and they will charge you $5,000 just to have KY jelly applied to your testicals and a 2 minute scan on a computer screen. That doesn't include the initial doctor consultation where you got the script for the procedure, or the followup appointment with the doctor.

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Canadian military being looked down on bugs me. We might not have the biggest military in the world but our forces are well trained. The idea of peace keeping troops was Canadian. We were in Cyprus for I don't know how long. We've been in Africa. We've tried in the last few years to help Haiti. We've had our troops in the middle east.

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I'm sure the troops individually are well trained. But if there ever was a war that come to our shores, Canadians would not put up any resistance. You have no military budget or any real military outside of some manpower. Hell... when the sleeper cell Muslim agents that Trudeau let in start uprising, you don't have enough ordinance or manpower to take care of that.

Everybody in the world who is considered an "ally" gets to have tiny ass "military" and spend their money everywhere else because ours is so stupidly big.

Everybody in the world getting free healthcare today loses it tomorrow if the US decided it was not going to protect anyone outside of its own boundaries, which is what was supposed to happen from the beginning.

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We need to rethink how much $$$ we hemorrhage into NATO. And if NATO nations don't want to pony up for the cost of being in NATO, maybe they should rethink their membership.

That's not being snippy. One of the reasons why NATO nations can get hysterical about the "Russian threat" is bc they don't have to bear the cost. So they can mentally balloon up the threat to astronomical proportions bc, well, America will always step in and "save them". So instead of addressing their security in a real way, including negotiations with Russia, they turn it into a giant boondoggle.

It's a money-making scam for the MIC and Eurocrats, if you ask me.

IMHO Canada's risk of a Russian invasion (or Chinese, for that matter) is nil. I honestly don't see why Canada has be a part of NATO.

But SIX, don't make this all a NATO problem. The USA has 800+ installations and full-on bases all over the world, many nothing to do with NATO. (Japan, S Korea, Syria, Jordan, misc places in Africa etc etc.)

More money-making scam for the MIC, Joint Chiefs, Congress etc etc

Seems we could pare a lot of that down.

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We need to rethink how much $$$ we hemorrhage into NATO. And if NATO nations don't want to pony up for the cost of being in NATO, maybe they should rethink their membership.

That's not being snippy. One of the reasons why NATO nations can get hysterical about the "Russian threat" is bc they don't have to bear the cost. So they can mentally balloon up the threat to astronomical proportions bc, well, America will always step in and "save them". So instead of addressing their security in a real way, including negotiations with Russia, they turn it into a giant boondoggle.
It's a money-making scam for the MIC and Eurocrats, if you ask me.
IMHO Canada's risk of a Russian invasion (or Chinese, for that matter) is nil. I honestly don't see why Canada has be a part of NATO.
But SIX, don't make this all a NATO problem. The USA has 800+ installations and full-on bases all over the world, many nothing to do with NATO. (Japan, S Korea, Syria, Jordan, misc places in Africa etc etc.)
More money-making scam for the MIC, Joint Chiefs, Congress etc etc
Seems we could pare a lot of that down.


SIX: I didn't make this a NATO problem, nor did I praise or otherwise glorify our military might.

NATO should be dissolved, and America should start that by withdrawing completely, forever.

Nobody on earth is going to mess with Canada because they're our baby brother and we have a majority of the nukes and ordinance, plus a yearly military budget that outspends every competitive nation in the world combined.

So it's really easy for Canadians to brag about universal healthcare when they don't ever even have to consider spending any of their tax dollars on military budgets. Just like it is for everybody in Europe that only get to do it because OUR military that ONLY WE pay for is obscene.

My point is that all the free shit everywhere else ends instantaneously if America pulls out and tells everyone else that they're on their own against the Russias and the Chinas and the North Koreas and the Muslims, etc.

There is no argument to that statement. This is an objective fact.

Everybody else gets to pretend they're living in Progressive Utopias and blow their budgets on Communist experiments every year because they've got Papa USA all up in everyone's asshole 24/7/365. And they've got it so good they can go around the last two decades calling white males who built everything for them the "bad guys".

We'll see who the bad guys are when America announces they're no longer playing world police.

SPOILER ALERT 1: Most of the bad guys out there in 2024 aren't white.

SPOILER ALERT 2: When the wars start happening, your "Progressive" leaders already let in the first wave of combatants with open arms and used our tax dollars to house and feed them until the war started.

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Nobody, not Canadians and not Eurocrats, should be under the illusion that the USA can protect even a few of them, let alone all of them, against a concerted attack. The whole concept of USA protection is a just a security blanket for childish foreign pols who want to believe fairy tales.

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More importantly, they - and we- exaggerate the hell out of the "threats" that we're supposedly facing. Iran doesn't pose a threat to us, Europe, or Canada. Neither did Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, or Libya. Neither does China or Russia, unless we seriously threaten their security and require them to react.

I think everyone should calm the fuck down about the USA reducing its military support and take a realistic view of the ACTUAL security threats they're facing, and stop fearing the boogeymen that the MIC is always trying to scare us with.

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I agree with some and disagree with some.

The part I disagree with is the idea that the USA is "protecting" anybody.

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Well... I can't exactly write a manifesto with every post.

I both disagree and agree with your statement.

US "Protection" is similar to Mafia protection. However "we" pick and choose who we're going to protect and who we leave to the wolves is above any of our paygrades.

Indirectly, however, at least until recent times, the US has offered quite a lot of protection to Western countries worldwide just by existing, claiming we are pro-Europe and several other places, and having the world's largest military presence. There was enough fear, again... until recently, that it just wasn't worth invading France for fear of USA retaliation.

And that's all it the protection racket in the worldwide theater amounts to. Security Theater. Fear tactics. Just like cops don't prevent crime physically and are usually just there to clean up the mess afterward, the USA would be there to fight after somebody strikes first and many people have died. And just like when the fear of cops disappeared in the wake of George Floyd, bad things begin to happen on the world stage. Once that fear is lost because the real bad guys don't believe that we have the will to carry out anything with it, the world's largest military just becomes a black hole sucking the wealth out of our country forever.

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Nobody, not Canadians and not Eurocrats, should be under the illusion that the USA can protect even a few of them, let alone all of them, against a concerted attack. The whole concept of USA protection is a just a security blanket for childish foreign pols who want to believe fairy tales.

SIX: And hopefully they don't find that out the hard way... They've all left themselves woefully unprepared for, well... anything.

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More importantly, they - and we- exaggerate the hell out of the "threats" that we're supposedly facing. Iran doesn't pose a threat to us, Europe, or Canada. Neither did Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, or Libya. Neither does China or Russia, unless we seriously threaten their security and require them to react.

I think everyone should calm the fuck down about the USA reducing its military support and take a realistic view of the ACTUAL security threats they're facing, and stop fearing the boogeymen that the MIC is always trying to scare us with.

SIX: I don't argue that, and I'll be the first to stand with you against US military expansion and imperialism. But you can't just bury your head in the sand and think that everybody is chill as long as we're chill. We've got 8 Billion people and not nearly enough to go around. Once America pulls out their military and downsizes it, because that HAS TO HAPPEN OR WE GO BANKRUPT, everybody else is going to have to take money from things like Universal Healthcare and build up their own military in its place, or they're going to suffer the consequences.

Because there will be consequences, Sigs.

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I agree with some and disagree with some.

The part I disagree with is the idea that the USA is "protecting" anybody.

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Well... I can't exactly write a manifesto with every post.

I both disagree and agree with your statement.

US "Protection" is similar to Mafia protection. However "we" pick and choose who we're going to protect and who we leave to the wolves is above any of our paygrades.

Indirectly, however, at least until recent times, the US has offered quite a lot of protection to Western countries worldwide just by existing, claiming we are pro-Europe and several other places, and having the world's largest military presence. There was enough fear, again... until recently, that it just wasn't worth invading France for fear of USA retaliation.

And that's all it the protection racket in the worldwide theater amounts to. Security Theater. Fear tactics. Just like cops don't prevent crime physically and are usually just there to clean up the mess afterward, the USA would be there to fight after somebody strikes first and many people have died. And just like when the fear of cops disappeared in the wake of George Floyd, bad things begin to happen on the world stage. Once that fear is lost because the real bad guys don't believe that we have the will to carry out anything with it, the world's largest military just becomes a black hole sucking the wealth out of our country forever.

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interesting phrase "security theatre". Nicely summed up!

So, who are the REAL "bad guys"?

We've fucked over quite a few nations pretty hard. But it's in no nations' interest to tackle the USA head-on, military to military, out of a sense of vengeance. We're not about to be invaded (except by illegal migrants and terrorists, but that's different) or bombed or struck by missiles unless we attack somebody first. Our military may be bloated and incompetent, but it is big enough to be a deterrent against an outright attack. Even Russia is reluctant to engage us directly bc they don'twant to trigger nuclear war, and between them and China they could destroy us on water, land, and in air.

Now, we have legitimate INTERESTS outside of our borders, mostly related to oil and shipping. But the Houthis have shown us we can't protect our cargo ships against a sandal-wearing militia force, and they're only pissing on us bc we support Israel and Israel is committing genocide. Most nations have an interest in protecting common/ international spaces, like shipping lanes, so there tends to be a detente of mutual interests unless we're real dicks about something and call wrath down on ourselves. Which we've done, more than once.

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Nobody, not Canadians and not Eurocrats, should be under the illusion that the USA can protect even a few of them, let alone all of them, against a concerted attack. The whole concept of USA protection is a just a security blanket for childish foreign pols who want to believe fairy tales.

SIX: And hopefully they don't find that out the hard way... They've all left themselves woefully unprepared for, well... anything.

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It's always best to have a good deterrence. Europe, collectively, could challenge Russia. But they need to do a few things

1) they need to right their economy, and that means going back to cheap Russian pipeline gas. Wars are industrial. They need to build up their industry even if it means using Russian commodities to do it. Too bad Russia is probably not in a mood to sell to Europe. Anymore.
Those neocon Eurocrats. They really screwed the pooch this time. On to plan B.

2) They still need to find or a develop alternate sources of energy. The thing that stymied Hitler was lack of oil. Maybe that means going back to nuclear and getting their oil from someplace else - Venezuela, perhaps, ignoring all of USA'S sanctions, which are destroying Europe but making the USA relatively stronger.

3) Ukraine offers many valuable lessons, from "deep warfare" to "drone warfare" to "missile warfare". Those nations that want to create a common deterrence should get together and unify their fragmented military, starting with antiair defenses.

4) They should give Russia what it wants: five oblasts (including Crimea), and a Constitutionally neutral and demilitarized Ukraine.
Austria! It's a good model!

But I know the current Eurocrats wont do any of these, so Europe will continue to crumble, and NATO with it. Until many current neocon and deepstate leaders are replaced with less delusional national leaders.

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More importantly, they - and we- exaggerate the hell out of the "threats" that we're supposedly facing. Iran doesn't pose a threat to us, Europe, or Canada. Neither did Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, or Libya. Neither does China or Russia, unless we seriously threaten their security and require them to react.

I think everyone should calm the fuck down about the USA reducing its military support and take a realistic view of the ACTUAL security threats they're facing, and stop fearing the boogeymen that the MIC is always trying to scare us with.

SIX: I don't argue that, and I'll be the first to stand with you against US military expansion and imperialism. But you can't just bury your head in the sand and think that everybody is chill as long as we're chill. We've got 8 Billion people and not nearly enough to go around. Once America pulls out their military and downsizes it, because that HAS TO HAPPEN OR WE GO BANKRUPT, everybody else is going to have to take money from things like Universal Healthcare and build up their own military in its place, or they're going to suffer the consequences.

Because there will be consequences, Sigs.

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Most refugee flows are caused by warfare and poverty, and European elites have had a hand in destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, and impoverishing Africa. If Europeans really want security they need to gently remove their current leadership and various deepstates, reduce the European Union to where it can be drowned in a bathtub, and embark on more equitable trade relationships with poorer nations. Stop sanctioning half the world. Maybe even join BRICS.

There will always be disaffected groups and people who carry grudges for generations and illegal migrants and international criminals. But those you handle with police, not military,.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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But I'm not saying that the US IS the Bad Guy, because there are a lot of really bad people out there with money who could easily fund enough terror and mayhem to shut down our country completely. They wouldn't have to even send anybody over to do it because they're all here waiting for the word already.

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But I'm not saying that the US IS the Bad Guy, because there are a lot of really bad people out there with money who could easily fund enough terror and mayhem to shut down our country completely. They wouldn't have to even send anybody over to do it because they're all here waiting for the word already.

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Oh, indeed.

We have so many single points of failure it's astonishing we've managed to avoid catastrophe as far as we have. All we have to do is look at some local emergency- hurricane, fire, blizzard... to see how our systems perform under stress.

It's corruption, SIX. And I don't mean just "money in an envelope". I mean having priorities OTHER THAN the good of/ proper functioning of your area of responsibility, whether that's money, party loyalty, globalist agenda, "woke" ideology, career advancement etc.

Stuff doesn't function on its own. It needs people to actively get shit done and make sure it's heading in the right direction. When people take their eye off the ball ... if not actively sabotage operations... that's when things decay.

Systems can only afford so many parasites.

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SIX: But I'm not saying that the US IS the Bad Guy, because there are a lot of really bad people out there with money who could easily fund enough terror and mayhem to shut down our country completely. They wouldn't have to even send anybody over to do it because they're all here waiting for the word already.

SIGNY: Oh, indeed.

We have so many single points of failure it's astonishing we've managed to avoid catastrophe as far as we have. All we have to do is look at some local emergency- hurricane, fire, blizzard... to see how our systems perform under stress.

It's corruption, SIX. And I don't mean just "money in an envelope". I mean having priorities OTHER THAN the good of/ proper functioning of your area of responsibility, whether that's money, party loyalty, globalist agenda, "woke" ideology, career advancement etc.

Stuff doesn't function on its own. It needs people to actively get shit done and make sure it's heading in the right direction. When people take their eye off the ball ... if not actively sabotage operations... that's when things decay.

Systems can only afford so many parasites.

SIX: Well that's the real question of our age, isn't it?

Did we destroy the best thing that Humanity ever built because of sheer incompetence and greed?

Or are there people playing a Chess game that we can't comprehend?

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I know you usually fall on Team Incompetence on this issue.

I'm leaning way on the other end of that. While I think whatever they've got planned will ultimately fail on them because of the hubris of man, I do believe that this is all just really small parts of a grand design.

Not one you're hearing on the WEF Forum videos that they're allowing you to watch on YouTube either. If that was their real plan, you wouldn't be able to watch it on YouTube.

All I know is that America and Americans don't matter at all to them. If anything, our love of freedom and individuality has become quite a problem for them. One they've been doing their best to stomp out of us for most of my life.

And like I said last night in another thread, this imaginary world we're living in ends when the US printing presses stop.

In 1924, the US debt was $324 Billion. Today it's nearly $37 Trillion. And it now costs us $50,000 per second to keep up the illusion.

At this rate, in only another year or two, the US government will be spending per second what I paid to buy my house to just keep on being as awful as it is.

Oh... Correction. The US will tag on the price of my house to the debt every second. They've spent a lot more than that wasting all the tax revenue they've stolen from us this year on bullshit before putting us ever-further into debt to fund the stuff that actually matters.

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Well, yes. And yes.

There's no way that Justine Trudeau is playing 5D chess. Or Urusula von der Crazy or Annalena "360deg" Baerbock. Or Joe Biden*. (Altho in his heyday he was quite the international grifter.) Most Congresspeole get their news from staffers, who scour NYT, CNN, FT, WaPo etc, for "news"
and are notoriously ill-informed wheeler dealers.

But that's not to say that there aren't real manipulators at the top of the food chain.

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Oh... Holy shit no. I was not saying people like Justin Trudeau or Joe Biden*.

It ain't Trump or GWB either.

I'm not going to say we don't know their names. We may or may not actually know a few of them.

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I don't think there's one grand design overseen by a mastermind. But there are extremely wealthy people aiming for more power and more money, and they have a whole set of employees and politicians and contractors and publicists who can be bought. So they created a corrupt heirarchy.

You know how they say "a fish rots from the head"? It's true.

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Fidel Jr. didn't;t really resign, right? He just did that to avoid being removed, so he can retain the power.

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The next day he was about to be removed, with no choice or option in the matter.
With his announcement, he remains in power until he can make arrangements suitable to him and his party. A few months yet.

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Also Danielle Smith was down in Florida the other day trying to change Trump's mind. She found out in a hurry that he isn't going to come.

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Also Danielle Smith was down in Florida the other day trying to change Trump's mind. She found out in a hurry that he isn't going to come.

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Sounds like the Lefty media in the US absolutely loathe Danielle Smith. She's getting bashed big time in the US media today. Referring to her visit with Trump as a "pilgramage to Mar a Lago, and even trying to paint her as a medical quack.


Danielle Smith’s Bizarre Bid to Legitimize Homeopathy
Alberta’s war on evidence-based medicine

https://thewalrus.ca/albertas-embrace-of-homeopathy-signals-a-growing-
war-on-science/


*yawn*

Guess we've got another 4 years of bad media coverage coming our way. At least until most of these places finally go out of business.

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