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A Fifth of American Adults Can’t Read.

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Saturday, May 3, 2025 1:15 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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48 million adults in the U.S. read at or below the third-grade level.

Ted is one of them.

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Saturday, May 3, 2025 2:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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48 million adults in the U.S. read at or below the third-grade level.

Ted is one of them.

geez.

An entire article which struggles to finally discover, in the end, that Libtards are stupid, and failures, and Public School Teachers are incompetent, along with Department of Education.

Even tho this was already known in the 1960s.

Better titles:
How Public School Teachers are incompetent.
How Department of Education prevents students from learning to read.
Why Libtard teachers are failures.

Any reasonable rational person already knew the answer in the final paragraphs before reading the first paragraph. But the author had to explain how stupid she was to keep following Libtard principles.




One key takeaway, possibly useful:
Libtard teachers refuse to teach any student below 4th grade reading level. They consider 3rd grade or less to be "unteachable" if they didn't magically jump past the incompetence of the Libtard teachers.

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Saturday, May 3, 2025 2:22 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, Ted is probably one of them. That could be why he depends on cartoons and videos so much.

Yanno, I think we employed somebody who couldn't read. He was a friend of a friend, and homeless. I used to wonder why he was homeless. He wasn't on drugs, not an alcoholic, seemed pretty sharp and managed to survive a very rough situation intact. (He eventually got supported housing.)

Well, one of his buddies from the old neighborhood got him a job up in Idaho, maintaining an RV campground. It was a sweet deal: in his skill set, new sets of clothes and dental work, a small RV to live in, cash in his pocket. Beautiful place, from the pictures he sent. But it all went sour when wife of owner wanted a daily written narrative of the work he'd been doing.

He got all huffy, told me "I'm not gonna be doing that shit" and quit.

I thought "Wow! That's an extreme case of ornerniness"

But I started puzzling over some other events too, like the time I drove him to a facility where he could take test for forklift operator's license (he clearly knew how to operate one) and he bonked the test. We also gave him our used car ... shabby, but nice running ... but he couldn't, or wouldn't take the written driver's license test. "I'm no good with that shit".

We lost track of him after the Idaho fiasco, and it wasn't until a few years later that it occurred to me that maybe he couldn't read. He might have been one of those severely dyslexic kids who slipped thru the system before dyslexia was ever noticed and before special teaching techniques were devised to overcome it.

He went thru school when phonetics was still a thing, so whole word/balanced approach wasn't the problem. I have to chalk it up to dyslexia.

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Saturday, May 3, 2025 2:47 PM

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48 million adults in the U.S. read at or below the third-grade level.

Ted is one of them.

geez.

An entire article which struggles to finally discover, in the end, that Libtards are stupid, and failures, and Public School Teachers are incompetent, along with Department of Education.

...

Any reasonable rational person already knew the answer in the final paragraphs before reading the first paragraph. But the author had to explain how stupid she was to keep following Libtard principles.



That's why I thought it was a really good article.

Because it illustrated that struggle before the ultimate revelation that the way she'd been taught to teach was the wrong way all along. She had to re-teach herself after unlearning all those poisonous methods that the Department of Education has used for generations to make us collectively dumber.

Though I don't believe she's made the leap to the fact that this was all intentional and I doubt she ever will, she realized at the very least that the way she had been taught to teach kids was ineffective at best and life-ruining at worst.

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Saturday, May 3, 2025 2:49 PM

SIGNYM

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To understand why reading education is such a mess, we have to go back a hundred years. Before the Progressive Era, students were taught to read via the phonetic code; they learned that letters on a page represent sounds, and that sounds can be blended together to make words. The genius of this method is that it allows you to read any word, even Italian ones or nonsense ones in Dr. Seuss’s books. But the academic innovators of the 20th century considered this method dry, and they started coming up with new methods. Instead of bothering with the dreary task of learning the phonetic code, they suggested, students could jump right into the joy of reading by just memorizing whole words.

This philosophy gave us the look-say method, exemplified by the 1940s Dick and Jane books, in which kids would encounter the same word again and again, memorize its shape, and then be able to read it. The sentences, such as “Look, Jane. Look, look,” weren’t exactly scintillating. But the more pressing issue was that it’s not possible to memorize enough words to become even a minimally fluent reader.

The look-say method didn’t last, but the whole-word approach to reading morphed into a new incarnation: whole language. This 1980s philosophy dictated that the teacher should take a back seat, minimizing explicit instruction and simply immersing the student in rich language and literature. The idea was that learning to read was as natural as learning to speak....

Also, I wholeheartedly believed in the progressive approach to education. I disliked tests and textbooks. The idea of the teacher wielding knowledge and power over the passive student was anathema to me, an approach better suited to Republicans and authoritarians and nuns.



Ah yes, those nuns! I was already a very good reader by kindergarten. So "learning to read" was very very boring for me. Hat, cat, mat, sat. Sigh! I knew the difference between kennel and kettle entering kindergarten. Short vowels and long vowels. It was especially boring when the nuns made each kid stand up and read a paragraph out loud since it was painfully slow and difficult for some... I usually just read to myself while that. I think I read the reader four or five times over by the end of school year ... but, by god, everyone learned to READ.

There are specific situations, tho, that need something more than phonetics. Dyslexia, for example. Nobody knows what causes it, but it needs a special program.

Dear daughter, as another example. Her brain was so scrambled, and she had such a difficult time with orientation that she was trying to read left to right and right to left and up and down, and she needed individual instruction geared towards kids with attention deficit and poor eyesight. Now she's a phenomenal reader.

I've run into this "we're teachers not therapists" even in special day class that it gets in the way of education.

So, by all means go back to phonetics and boring sequential drills. But if even that fails ... and dyslexia affects anywhere from 10-20% of the adult population... try LISP reading program or something similar.


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Saturday, May 3, 2025 2:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Yes, Ted is probably one of them. That could be why he depends on cartoons and videos so much.

Yanno, I think we employed somebody who couldn't read. He was a friend of a friend, and homeless. I used to wonder why he was homeless. He wasn't on drugs, not an alcoholic, seemed pretty sharp and managed to survive a very rough situation intact. (He eventually got supported housing.)

Well, one of his buddies from the old neighborhood got him a job up in Idaho, maintaining an RV campground. It was a sweet deal: in his skill set, new sets of clothes and dental work, a small RV to live in, cash in his pocket. Beautiful place, from the pictures he sent. But it all went sour when wife of owner wanted a daily written narrative of the work he'd been doing.

He got all huffy, told me "I'm not gonna be doing that shit" and quit.

I thought "Wow! That's an extreme case of ornerniness"

But I started puzzling over some other events too, like the time I drove him to a facility where he could take test for forklift operator's license (he clearly knew how to operate one) and he bonked the test. We also gave him our used car ... shabby, but nice running ... but he couldn't, or wouldn't take the written driver's license test. "I'm no good with that shit".

We lost track of him after the Idaho fiasco, and it wasn't until a few years later that it occurred to me that maybe he couldn't read. He might have been one of those severely dyslexic kids who slipped thru the system before dyslexia was ever noticed and before special teaching techniques were devised to overcome it.

He went thru school when phonetics was still a thing, so whole word/balanced approach wasn't the problem. I have to chalk it up to dyslexia.



I remember you talking about him. Hope he figured something out.

Knew guy when I was working at KMart that wasn't particularly good at his job, and when you're running on a skeleton crew every night and one guy isn't pulling his weight that's more work for everybody else. He was in his mid-50's or so, and always got a lot of shit from everybody. He was an easy target, with nobody else close to his age there besides the management, and he took it all surprisingly well and never let anything seem to bother him. But at the end of the day, it was pretty much assumed the dude did not know how to read... which even in a job stocking shelves can really slow your work down.

Well somebody noticed one day that he was squinting hard while looking at a box or one of the labels and brought him over to the H&B area where we had the racks of reader glasses and had him try on a few pairs.

Boom. The guy could read. He was 5 times better at his job literally overnight, and most of the shit other people gave him stopped.


Happy endings are great.

But this just illustrates another problem. Even though the guy could read, why is a 55+ year old man walking around not being able to see and not even thinking about getting his eyes checked? How much of his life did he live barely able to see and not even telling anybody?

I don't want to be mean, because he was genuinely a nice guy and I always felt bad for the constant shit he took, but it was obvious to anybody he wasn't the brightest guy. And the second work was over he was out in his car drinking his first beer for the ride home. He couldn't crack that open fast enough. But the guy wasn't a 50 IQ or anything like that. Why didn't he even think to get his eyes checked?

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Saturday, May 3, 2025 3:19 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
https://www.thefp.com/p/a-fifth-of-american-adults-cant-read-i-teach-t
hem


48 million adults in the U.S. read at or below the third-grade level.

Ted is one of them.

geez.

An entire article which struggles to finally discover, in the end, that Libtards are stupid, and failures, and Public School Teachers are incompetent, along with Department of Education.

...

Any reasonable rational person already knew the answer in the final paragraphs before reading the first paragraph. But the author had to explain how stupid she was to keep following Libtard principles.

That's why I thought it was a really good article.

Because it illustrated that struggle before the ultimate revelation that the way she'd been taught to teach was the wrong way all along. She had to re-teach herself after unlearning all those poisonous methods that the Department of Education has used for generations to make us collectively dumber.

Though I don't believe she's made the leap to the fact that this was all intentional and I doubt she ever will, she realized at the very least that the way she had been taught to teach kids was ineffective at best and life-ruining at worst.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

Sure.
I did not want to rain on your parade, so I did not post in my reply that it felt like uber lame clickbait for Libtard level readers.
But, in this day of tiktok addicts, maybe uber lame clickbait is the only way to get Libtards to read an article - and maybe learn something, for once. Then they might let their kids learn phonics - as long as CA hasn't still banned any teaching method that works.

Timeline Math, anybody? No wonder kids can't math without a calculator.
I suspect Dept of Education has all kinds of anti-learning systems that I am not even aware of.


Also, it was not only herself, but every Libtard teaching professional was wrong, incompetent, a failure, and happily so.

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Saturday, May 3, 2025 6:06 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
https://www.thefp.com/p/a-fifth-of-american-adults-cant-read-i-teach-t
hem


48 million adults in the U.S. read at or below the third-grade level.

Ted is one of them.

geez.

An entire article which struggles to finally discover, in the end, that Libtards are stupid, and failures, and Public School Teachers are incompetent, along with Department of Education.

...

Any reasonable rational person already knew the answer in the final paragraphs before reading the first paragraph. But the author had to explain how stupid she was to keep following Libtard principles.

That's why I thought it was a really good article.

Because it illustrated that struggle before the ultimate revelation that the way she'd been taught to teach was the wrong way all along. She had to re-teach herself after unlearning all those poisonous methods that the Department of Education has used for generations to make us collectively dumber.

Though I don't believe she's made the leap to the fact that this was all intentional and I doubt she ever will, she realized at the very least that the way she had been taught to teach kids was ineffective at best and life-ruining at worst.

--------------------------------------------------

"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

Sure.
I did not want to rain on your parade, so I did not post in my reply that it felt like uber lame clickbait for Libtard level readers.
But, in this day of tiktok addicts, maybe uber lame clickbait is the only way to get Libtards to read an article - and maybe learn something, for once. Then they might let their kids learn phonics - as long as CA hasn't still banned any teaching method that works.

Timeline Math, anybody? No wonder kids can't math without a calculator.
I suspect Dept of Education has all kinds of anti-learning systems that I am not even aware of.


Also, it was not only herself, but every Libtard teaching professional was wrong, incompetent, a failure, and happily so.



I don't agree with your assessment of this situation at all.

If she was just some dumb cunt Liberal that was going to keep towing the Leftist Agenda until the very end, that would be more of the mindless TikTok drivel we see every day.

We've got school teachers being fired as we speak for putting death threats out online.

Meanwhile, in a sea of crazy young white women teachers doing inexplicable things on TicTok in 2025, we've got a lifelong liberal teacher here coming out and saying that her party was wrong. That the system was wrong. That she was wrong.

Not only that, but it appears that she's been working on solutions to fix the bad teaching she got, and to help others who were abused by the Department of Education.

You really need to step out of your echo chamber every once in a while too. You're not much better than the "Vote Blue, No Matter Who" crowd I inflict upon myself here everyday when you look at things the way that you do.

People should be praised when they open their eyes, not shit on. Democrats do that enough for everybody. We don't need to behave like they do. We are not in a cult.

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Sunday, May 4, 2025 3:58 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


My reference to tiktok was the training of the youth to have short attention spans, and clickbait formatted to consume their attention to draw out the clicks.
Not the content of tiktoks, but the hyper attention format.

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