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IRAN: Trump's war?

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Tuesday, October 24, 2023 8:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Biden faces ultimate test as Iran, which backs Hamas, warns of deadly consequences

https://www.foxnews.com/shows/media-buzz/bidens-ultimate-test-iran-bac
ks-hamas-warns-deadly-consequences


War Has Smashed Assumptions About Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/world/europe/israeli-hamas-middle-e
ast-implications.html


Iran's president Ebrahim Raisi and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman hold their first ever phone call

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12624039/Iran-MBS-Saudi-Hamas
-Isreal-call.html


Waltz Warns Iran Is Still Threat Even if Hamas Destroyed

https://floridianpress.com/2023/10/waltz-warns-ran-still-threat-even-h
amas-destroyed
/

Iran played Biden, and the world lost... again

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-played-biden-world-lost-093217973.html

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Tuesday, October 24, 2023 9:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Iran is not the troublemaker in the Mideast, it's us (the USA).

If you want to examine why I say that, just look at what Iran is doing: It's sending its fighters into Syria TO DEFEND AGAINST REGIME-CHANGE operatives (USA troops illegally occupy NE Syria) who want to topple the SECULAR democratically-elected government of Syria.

It funds Hezbollah, which defends Lebanon against Israel and defends Syria against our continued regime-change operations.

It helps the Houthis in Yemen defend themselves from Saudi attacks, funded and aided by the USA.

And if you look at the arms used by Hamas, they're AMETICAN. And last I checked, thanks to sanctions, Iran doesn't have access to AMERICAN arms. So if we want to blame anybody for backing Hamas, we need to figure out how OUR weapons got into Hamas' hands.

*****

Unlike Saudi and USA-funded extremists, Iran does not fund head-chopping terrorists.

You really should get a better understanding of who we fund and what we're doing in the ME, JAYNZE.

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Friday, January 12, 2024 9:52 AM

JAYNEZTOWN

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Sunday, January 14, 2024 6:11 AM

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Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:06 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Iran Launches Missile Strikes in Iraq and Syria, Citing Terrorist Attacks
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-syria-at
tack.html


WION



Red Sea attacks: Greek vessel hit by missile
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-syria-at
tack.html


Iran claims strikes on ‘Israeli espionage HQ’ close to US consulate in Erbil
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/iran-claims-strikes-israeli-espionage-234438
896.html

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Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:11 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I think Trump was told that there was an imminent attack planned, and that it would be like another Benghazi or another Iranian hostage crisis and that he'd get the blame. And then he was told he could prevent it by killing this guy.

Who told him that?

That was the deep state once again faking "intelligence" to stampede Trump. Like the (false) pictures of dead ducks and sick children in Salisbury (Skripal event) which never happened, which caused Trump to expel a bunch of Russian diplomats, or the "gas attack" in Douma (revealed as staged by internal OPCW documents leaked by whistleblowers) which caused Trump to launch missiles on Syria.

Don't pretend that the deep state and neocon Repubs AND Dems haven't been jonesing for war ever since Trump was elected. They have been hounding Trump as "Putin's puppet" ever since then.

The thing that pisses me off is that this is the THIRD time that Trump would have been fooled. Doesn't he know by now that the deep state and the warhawks are looking for any excuse to plant their knives in his back, above and beyond concocting the Russiagate and Ukrainegate hoaxes?

C'mon Mr Trump, you can't afford to be THAT brain-dead about foreign affairs, if only for your own political survival!






Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people; like Jack.

T


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Sunday, April 14, 2024 4:56 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


old Joe Biden blamed Trump?



the channel is called 'The New World Order' a conspiracy type name, if it gets banned maybe vids can be found on another platform like Rumble or Bitchute?

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Sunday, August 11, 2024 4:48 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Trump campaign says its internal messages hacked by Iran

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ge30ze4dpo

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Friday, November 15, 2024 6:28 AM

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Tuesday, December 17, 2024 1:40 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Jeffrey Sachs and 'Tucker'


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Monday, March 10, 2025 1:46 PM

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Tuesday, March 11, 2025 8:14 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Why Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018, and why he wants to renegotiate now

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-global/trump-ira
n-nuclear-deal-9876030
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Tuesday, March 18, 2025 12:31 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


‘Iran will suffer the consequences’ - Trump raises prospect of war with Iran as US attacks on Houthis continue

https://www.lbc.co.uk/world-news/iran-suffer-consequences-trump-prospe
ct-war-iran
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Thursday, May 8, 2025 11:49 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Trump says he'll be 'leading the pack' to war with Iran if deal prospects whither away

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-hell-leading-pack-war-iran
-deal-prospects-whither-away

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Monday, May 19, 2025 9:18 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


The High Human Cost of Syria Sanction
https://dissidentvoice.org/2025/05/the-high-human-cost-of-syria-sancti
ons
/

and a list included Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Iran.

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Monday, May 19, 2025 11:03 AM

THG



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Monday, May 19, 2025 11:03 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
PNAC: Project for the New American Century, a neoconservative think tank which advocated total world dominance by the USA military. GWB appointed quite a number of PNAC signatories.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/pnac.htm

"Javanka": The combined influence of Jared and Ivanka Kushner. Jared is an avid pro-Zionist. It seems to me that, for him, Israel's interests come to mind first, before the USA's.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .





The Pontifical North American College is a bunch of religious nuts. Iran is run by a bunch of religious nuts. Trump wanted to nuke Iran in his first term. It was because he surrounded himself with professionals to head each government agency that he did not. They stopped him. You'll remember our top general put out orders that specifically said he was to be notified before any missiles were launched. This is why! Shit, Trump wanted to start lobing Nukes at hurricanes.

Trump has no such professionals surrounding him now. He is not well suited to handle the worlds' troubles.

T


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Thursday, June 12, 2025 4:12 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


its on?

Palestine bombed to dust, blood and ash, Hezbollah and Hamas' military terror militia jihad military are decimated, weapons intended for Ukraine are now in the “Middle East”.

the crazy Israel claims everyone is trying to holocaust them and cannot go back to "normal" because there is no "normal" to go back to.
98% of Congress and Senate to stand up and cheer Benjamin Netanyahu

Israel is poised to launch operation on Iran, sources say
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-is-poised-to-launch-operation-
on-iran-sources-say
/

What Can Pizza Tell Us About Ourselves?
https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/07/the-pizza-meter-was-a-staple-
of-1990s-pop-pseudoscience-we-should-revive-it.html
#
Probably nothing. But delivery-based data sure was amusing.

Quote:

“Bottom line for journalists: Always monitor the pizzas.”


The U.S. has ordered all embassies within strike range of Iran, including ones located in Europe and North Africa, to convene emergency action meetings and communicate back measures they are taking mitigate risks, per the Washington Post.
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1932914482428236141


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Thursday, June 12, 2025 8:35 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


How many Iranians will be arriving at the US-Mexico and US-Canada border?

“7 countries in 5 years.”
https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1933034253610316165

Sounds of explosions (possibly secondary) in #Tehran tonight.
https://x.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1933321085862490459#m

Trump Acknowledges Israel Could Attack Iran Soon
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/12/us/politics/trump-israel-iran.html

Explosions ring out across Iran’s capital as Israel claims it is attacking the country
https://apnews.com/article/iran-explosions-israel-tehran-00234a06e5128
a8aceb406b140297299


Oil up 5%

Gold up $30

Smoke can be seen rising from Tehran, the capital of Iran,
https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1933315687738741184

Israeli air force carries out strike on Iran - reports
https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-air-force-carries-out-strike-on-ira
n-reports-13382967


Israel confirms it's launching strikes against targets in Iran.
https://x.com/TheIntelFrog/status/1933316598502183364

BREAKING: Israel’s airspace has been closed until further notice
https://x.com/Worldsource24/status/1933318185320616370

Explosions heard northeast of Iran's Tehran, state-run Nour News says
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/explosions-heard-northeast-i
rans-tehran-state-run-nour-news-says-2025-06-13
/

Israel is prepared to attack Iran as soon as Sunday if Tehran rejects a U.S. proposal that would place tough limits on its nuclear program, according to multiple US and Israeli officials.
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1933277399275143267

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Friday, June 13, 2025 9:36 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


so they also bombed civilian areas of the city and not those Nuke Sites?



The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed Iran’s nuclear sites in Isfahan, Fordow, and Bushehr were not impacted by Israeli airstrikes.
https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1933423340695212429
Communication with Iranian officials established that the facilities

Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Trump wanted to nuke Iran in his first term.



who said this code-pinko, the creepy gay Zeihan??

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Friday, June 13, 2025 2:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:

Trump Knew of Israel’s Planned Attack on Iran All Along
Edith Olmsted
Fri, June 13, 2025 at 6:45 AM PDT


Israeli officials say that their country’s deadly military strike on Iran was rubber-stamped by Donald Trump, despite his claims to have had nothing to do with it.

Just hours before Israel’s massive operation Thursday targeting Iran’s ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, military officials, and nuclear scientists, Trump claimed he was against an attack because it would “blow” ongoing diplomatic talks, which were set to continue this weekend.

Two Israeli officials told Axios, however, that Trump was lying and the president had only pretended to publicly oppose Israel’s military operation to “eliminate” ballistic missile and nuclear facilities, which was reportedly eight months in the making.

“We had a clear U.S. green light,” one Israeli official told Axios.



This is the same as Trump saying he "didn't know" that the Zelensky regime was going to attack Russian nuclear assets. The only difference is that Zelensky kept his mouth shut, but Bibi had to brag.

Now, who is going to negotiate with a President who uses negotiations merely to get the opposing side to let their guard down?

Nobody, that's who.

You can forget any kind of nuclear agreement with Russia, and probably Iran.

Quote:

In a phone call with Netanyahu Monday, Trump reportedly urged the Israeli prime minister to stop chatter about a potential strike on Iran. But Israeli officials told Axios that the call had really been about coordination ahead of the attack, and Netanyahu’s aides had lied to reporters.

The New York Times reported in April that Israel, which is not a participant in the ongoing nuclear talks, had made plans to attack Iranian nuclear sites that were waved off by Trump, who wanted to continue negotiating with Tehran. The White House made it clear, at least publicly, that if Israel wanted to strike it would do so alone.

On Wednesday, some U.S. personnel were evacuated from the region, including from Baghdad and Bahrain, citing security concerns. When asked what Israeli officials had told him that prompted the evacuations, Trump said, “They didn’t tell me anything, but I said look, there’s a chance of massive conflict.”

For a guy who says he had nothing to do with the attack, Trump has been quick to use the strike as leverage.

“Iran should have listened to me when I said—you know I gave them, I don’t know if you know but I gave them a 60-day warning and today is day 61. They should now come to the table to make a deal before it’s too late. It will be too late for them,” the president told CNN.

He also said that the strike had killed some of the people who’d been part of nuclear talks. “You know the people I was dealing with are dead, the hard-liners,” Trump added. Iran’s top negotiator in the nuclear talks, Ali Shamkhani, has been confirmed dead.

When asked by The Wall Street Journal Friday what kind of heads-up Israel had given the U.S. about the impending strike, Trump replied, “Heads-up? It wasn’t a heads-up. It was, we know what’s going on.”



In other words, Trump was "in the loop" all along.

Just to clarify: Most analysts in alt media think this has NOTHING to do with Iranian nuclear weapons, and everything to do with REGIME CHANGE in Iran. (Just like attacking Russian nuclear assets and deliberately killing civilians on a passenger train has nothing to do with winning the war in Ukraine and everything to do with regime change in Russia.)

The only person in alt media who thinks that Iran has a nuclear weapons program is Scott Ritter, former Marine and USA and UN* nuclear weapons inspector. (He was part of a team that enforced the SALT treaty with Russia, and part of Hans Blix's UN team inspecting Iraq for WMD, BEFORE we invaded Iraq.)

I tend to agree, but also disagree. In his view, Iran has all the important pieces for a nuclear missile: 60% enriched uranium* (one step away from weapons grade), and hypersonic ballistic missiles that can reenter without frying their control systems, or potential nuclear warheads. The only remaining steps are to enrich to 90% and to build an actual nuclear warhead.

* There's no reason to enrich uranium to 60% except for weapons, since only 3-4% is needed for civilian power generation.

What I see is that Iran is continuing with its weapons program, however reluctantly, not because it wants to build nuclear bombs, but because it's trying to create bargaining chips. It won't give away its capability for free, and (being stubborn) doesn't want to be beaten into submission.

The "sticking point" in the negotiations... whether Iran could enrich to 3.7%, enough for civilian power generation, was entirely artificial. There was NO critical reason to insist on 0% enrichment, and Iran sees nuclear power as important for its future.

Also, altho Natanz was struck, the actual nuclear facility is deep underground, and can't be reached by conventional weapons, Scott Ritter says.

So this attack was, in reality, a decapitation strike for "regime change".


On the one hand, Iran is suffering economically from sanctions. Hard to get a good "read" on popular opinion, but I imagine that there is some discontent with official policy, especially the focus on military spending and support for Hezbollah and Syria, both of which failed. (Ansarallah, i.e. Houthis, seem to be pretty self sufficient. ) I imagine- and this is just my guess- that Iranians could reasonably be saying "We wouldn't be so poor if our government stopped hemorrhaging money into foreign entities. It's nice to feel morally superior, but they're sacrificing our development for somebody else". They DID vote for a moderate, pro-negotiation president after all.

Israel's strikes on Iran may have caused the populace to wilt further. OTOH, the people of Iran may be coming to the realization that Israel, and by extension the USA, are firmly committed to Iran's destruction, no matter WHAT Iran does or doesn't do. Negotiations are just a charade.

And Iran has a lot of missiles, most of them likely still intact, and powerful friends in China and Russia. Russia and Iran have SOME sort of security agreement, nobody in the west knows exactly what. Iran also has the straits of Hormuz, thru which most ME oil and gas flows, under its control. Saudi Arabia has a lot at stake with what happens next.

Trump burned A LOT of bridges with this move. A LOT.

What next?

*****


Fuck Israel.
Fuck Trump.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


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Friday, June 13, 2025 3:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody cares.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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Friday, June 13, 2025 11:04 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

People will when gas goes to $10/ gal and American bodies start coming home. We, Trump's base, didn't vote for him to keep us in one forever war, and then get us into another.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


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Saturday, June 14, 2025 12:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Nobody cares.

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

People will when gas goes to $10/ gal and American bodies start coming home. We, Trump's base, didn't vote for him to keep us in one forever war, and then get us into another.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA





Sure. Okay.

I'm just asking why there's any reason I should believe anything anybody is saying about what's going on today any more than I should have believed what they've been saying about Ukraine since 2014. Or WMD's. Or whatever the fuck they get people terrified about.

You're usually Mrs. Skeptical, but for whatever reason this one has you as spooked as they got you with Covid. I haven't thought about it all day.

I've been hearing this shit all my life, and a quadruple dose of it every day for the last 12 years of it.

Don't give a shit.

If the end of the world is coming, it's coming.

What does that have to do with me?

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"I don't find this stuff amusing anymore." ~Paul Simon

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Saturday, June 14, 2025 2:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia'snuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.

Like somebody convinced brain-dead Bush that Iraq had WMD.

Like Biden and Ukraine. Biden would draw red line after red line for his admin, only to cave a few months later.

Different President.

Same shit.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


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Saturday, June 14, 2025 2:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, I'm skeptical about the "reasons" for the war.

This time, someone convinced Trump that striking Iran with missiles and drones will give him "leverage" in "negotiations" about Iranian "nuclear weapons". Very similar to him being convinced that attacking Russia's nuclear assets would force Russia to agree cease fire.

Like somebody convinced brain-dead Bush that Iraq had WMD.

Like Biden and Ukraine. Biden would draw red line after red line for his admin, only to cave a few months later.

Different Presidents.

Same shit.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA


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