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The Jeff Gannon identity was created by Guckert as part of his business as a prostitute (all of the paperwork for the web hosting and registration of his sites that advertised his services as an escort were in this name).

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When contacted at his home in North Carolina, Ryan Mails, the son of the late Thomas Mails said the family still retained the copyrights to the drawings of the Mystic Warriors book, and that his father fiercely defended the copyrights.

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Genetic material belonging to Professor Ward Churchill underwent the following three testing protocols:
1)The mtDNA Test: A test of female lineage. mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) is passed down from mother to child. Men have their mother’s mtDNA, but do not pass it on to their children. The mtDNA test can tell a man or a woman about their maternal lineage and the geographic origin of that lineage.
2) Y Tests: Only men carry the y-chromosome, which is inherited through the paternal line. Analysis of the DNA on the y-chromosome tells a man his paternal lineage and the likely geographic origin of that lineage.
3) Genome-wide Test: Is essentially an analysis of autosomal DNA that gives you a general idea of your ancestry among broad groups (ie. African, Asian, European, Native American).
The laboratory that performed the tests on Professor Churchill's genetic material specializes on American Indian "Gene Genealogy" and has one of the most extensive Native American mtDNA and y-chromosome databases. The human race consists of approximately 30 major maternal lineages (haplogroups) and Native Americans belong to one of five major maternal lineages (haplogroups). Also, the human population consists of approximately 18 major paternal lineages (haplogroups) and Native Americans belong to one of two major paternal lineages (haplogroups).
The genetic test results of Professor Ward Churchill show that he is a descendant of Creeks through his father and of Cherokees through his mother. http://www.aztlan.net/churchill_creek_cherokee.htm

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Never mind issues of 'free speech'

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So Ward Churchill does have mixed Indian ancestry. In the public record, his family tree consists of those labelled 'Caucasian' and 'Unknown'. Now I know some may find this hard to believe, but there was a time when Indians who left the res to live in the White world didn't advertise their background. So, though he can't prove himself an Indian according to birth records, it's also true no one can prove he isn't. (But, to put the birth records in context, the old saying 'blood will tell' now has a new, scientific meaning.)

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He has been active in AIM (the American Indian Movement) since 1982.

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the American Indian Movement kicked out the activist the group called "deceitful" and "treacherous" and who it condemned as a white man masquerading as an Indian.

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The American Indian Movement Grand Governing Council representing the National and International leadership of the American Indian Movement once again is vehemently and emphatically repudiating and condemning the outrageous statements made by academic literary and Indian fraud, Ward Churchill in relationship to the 9-11 tragedy in New York City that claimed thousands of innocent people’s lives.

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The sorry part of this is Ward Churchill has fraudulently represented himself as an Indian, and a member of the American Indian Movement, a situation that has lifted him into the position of a lecturer on Indian activism. He has used the American Indian Movement’s chapter in Denver to attack the leadership of the official American Indian Movement with his misinformation and propaganda campaigns.

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And at one point he was one of two people enrolled in the Cherokee Nation as a non-blood Indian. (Bill Clinton was the other.) From what I read, the tribal leader who got this program going was voted-out some time later, the program closed and membership in the nation rescinded. I haven't looked up the timeline of Churchill's hiring and/or tenure, but it is conceivable that he was a bona-fide Cherokee Indian during his hiring and/or tenure review, or reasonably thought he was. Perhaps one of the baying right-wing vigilantes could look this up since it is a topic of great interest to them.

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The United Keetoowah Band Cherokee says University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill is not a member of their tribe.

"He's not in the database at all and is not a member of the Keetoowah," said Georgia Mauldin, the tribal clerk in Tahlequah, Okla.

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UKB historian and former tribal secretary Ernestine Berry, Churchill was granted associate membership status in the tribe in the early 1990s, but is no longer listed as such.

"After he got his associate membership, we never saw him again," said Berry. "He got that card and he was gone, gone, gone."

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"[Churchill] claimed to be part Cherokee, but he couldn't prove it; when I first met him, I didn't like him, and I didn't trust him," said Berry. "I told the chief, 'Don't do this, John; it will damage the integrity of the [tribal] roll,' but they went ahead and made him an associate member. He has since used that to promote his own purposes, and he has not helped the United Keetoowah Band at all."

Berry said associate membership is no longer granted, and "the reason it's not is Ward Churchill."

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Originally posted by rue:


Credentials
Churchill has multiple publications to his credit. As a counter to those publications, no one has come up with any information substantiating that he is unqualified for the position.

CU hiring practices
No one has come up with any information substantiating favoritism claims.

Plagiarism
No one has come up with proof of plagiarism. It looks questionable, but until there is a trial and verdict, 'innocent until proven guilty' should be the by-word of all freedom-loving Americans.

Have I missed any angles you all care to discuss? Other than the fact that you disagree with what he said?

Lastly, as AURaptor so eloquently said

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The question of Professor Churchill's Indian status raises two separate but related issues. First, did Professor Churchill misrepresent his Indian status on an employment application and, as a result, gain an employment advantage? This question arose in 1994 when certain Indian leaders communicated with the University claiming, among other things, that Professor Churchill lied on his application about his Indian heritage. The then Boulder campus chancellor reviewed this complaint and concluded that University policy permitted self-identification. The chancellor noted that the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission took the position that observation and self identification are the most reliable indicators of ethnicity. The chancellor declined to pursue the matter. The question about Professor Churchill's employment application must be considered closed as a result of this ten-year old review.

A remaining question is whether Professor Churchill has attempted to gain a scholarly voice, credibility, and an audience for his scholarship by wrongfully asserting that he is an Indian. There is evidence that Professor Churchill's assertion of his Indian status is material to his scholarship, yet there is serious doubt about his Indian identity. The evidence is sufficient to warrant referral of this question to the Committee on Research Misconduct for inquiry and, if appropriate, investigation to determine whether Professor Churchill relies on his Indian identity in his scholarship and, if so, whether he has fabricated that identity. The Committee should inquire as to whether Professor Churchill can assert a reasonable basis for clarifying such identity.

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I bet you are just dying inside now that he gets to keep his job.

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Churchill resigned his position as head of the CU Ethnic Studies program but kept his $96,000 per year teaching post.

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Allegations have been made that Professor Churchill has engaged in research misconduct; specifically, that he has engaged in plagiarism, misuse of others' work, falsification and fabrication of authority.

These allegations have sufficient merit to warrant referral to the University of Colorado at Boulder Standing Committee on Research Misconduct for further inquiry in accordance with prescribed procedures. The research misconduct procedures afford Professor Churchill an opportunity to review and to respond to the allegations before any determination is made. If the Committee determines that Professor Churchill engaged in research misconduct, the Committee is to make recommendations regarding dismissal or other disciplinary action.

Also referred to the Committee is the question of whether Churchill committed research misconduct by misrepresenting himself to be American Indian to gain credibility, authority, and an audience by using an Indian voice for his scholarly writings and speeches.

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Hmm... I am *not* calling these guys at aztlan.net outright liars, but I can't find one single other shred of article that collaborate their story.

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Originally posted by rue:
You keep mistaking allegations for facts.
Some of the nice things about dealing with those allegations is that they have to be specific, and the people making the allegations have to prove their case, not the other way around. That makes a defense easier.
Churchill has been followed by the FBI for years. I suspect he's well-versed in staying out of legal reach.

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Hmm... I am *not* calling these guys at aztlan.net outright liars, but I can't find one single other shred of article that collaborate their story.

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I found multiple links to the story, but it was a while back and they seem to have thinned. I evidently forgot to link to the first site I got the article from, which was nativenews.net It may still be there.

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But I don't think a liar and a cheat, who got to a position from fraud

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Allegations have been made that Professor Churchill has engaged in research misconduct ... (which) warrant ... further inquiry. Also referred to the Committee is the question of whether Churchill committed research misconduct by misrepresenting himself to be American Indian

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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The United States has treated its indigenous people poorly for much of its history, yet today thousands of people are anxious to show their Native American heritage and are turning to DNA testing for help.

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Proven? Or merely your allegation?

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Originally posted by rue:


Google "ward churchill" +UNenrolled. I think you'll find it educational.

other sources for the story:

www.indybay.org/news/2005/02/1720485.php
colorado.indymedia.org/ newswire/display_any/10218/index.php
colorado.indymedia.org/feature/display/10218/index.php
www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/2005/020805letters.htm

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And I have a question for you. I see this pretty much as an attempted lynching. Not content to let due process run its course, you and your ilk attempt circumvent it and agitate others in order to ruin someone's life. What do you tell yourself when you actively participate in hate-mongering?

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The fact can't be denied that many of WC's writings are build (sic) based on his claim of Indian Heritage and his tenured position at CU is based on that; also, he lied about his enrollment with the Cherokees. Is there something to counter these as not?

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The fact can't be denied that many of WC's writings are build (sic) based on his claim of Indian Heritage and his tenured position at CU is based on that; also, he lied about his enrollment with the Cherokees. Is there something to counter these as not?

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What you present as 'facts' you have failed to support. ARE most of his writings based on his claim of Indian heritage? Where is your evidence? IS his tenure based on heritage and without academic merit? You've failed to support that. DID he lie about enrollment? That's why I suggested you google on his name and UNenrolled. Available evidence is that he said he was UNenrolled. IS he without Indian heritage? Evidence suggests he has Indian markers.
You've failed to support your claims, and so they remain CLAIMS. That they are being 'looked at' is not proof.

'Your ilk': on this thread, specifically Auraptor, Finn, Geezer, Barnstormer, and you (the usual gang) whose message has been - No place for data ! No time for proof !! To hell with due process !!! Whip up a mob - get Ward Churchill NOW by innuendo, by agitation, by pressure !

Is that not a virtual lynching?

Personally, I'm willing to WAIT and see what the academics find as fact. They have access to so much more real data than you, your buds, I, or anyone else on this board. And at that time Professor Churchill will have the opportunity to address any claims against him.

I've read enough about him that I can't imagine selecting him as a friend. And yet I will still defend him against your extra-legal trial.

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"Presidents get impeached for lying"

Only if you lie about sex. ...

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The statement that set off this politically-motivated witch-hunt (and it IS a politically-motivated witch-hunt. Tom Delay would never survive one-tenth of the probing) was Churchill's statement that international financiers and traders in the World Trade Center were "little Eichmans" who were busy enriching themslves while impoverishing the rest of the world.

I took this as an indictment of "the system" in which each cog does nothing evil individually but the overall effect is brutal. However, I'm reading "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by Perkins which shows how loan, trade, and security policies are DELIBERATELY set up to impoverish nations and- failing that- how the "jackals" and USA troops may not be far behind. Perkins was part of that system. I suggest that you all read the book.

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So... you're saying that its' more important to investiate the ancestory of a professor in a small program than it is to look at the House Majority leader, who is now threatening to depose the Judiciary from its role as the third branch of government-

www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=
H5OXEDSABXVA4CRBAELCFEY?type=politicsNews&storyID=8130182

who also took money from foreign interests, "paid" his wife and daughter a half-million dollars, used national coporate donations for local Texas elections, traveled internationally on paid junkets with lobbyists, and paints himself as a pro-life moralist?

Well, I'm glad that you're on the Committee to Protect the Integrity and Independence of Small University Programs! The point is that I'm not getting distracted from Ward Churchill. Churchill himself IS the distraction... as has been demonstrated in other posts when one looks at the time lag between when Churchill spoke and the reaction.

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(Churchill) also defended his scholarship, citing his induction into the Martin Luther King Jr. Collegium of Scholars at Morehouse College in Atlanta and offering nine pages of endorsements from other scholars.

The collection includes praise from Richard Falk, formerly at Princeton and now a visiting professor of global studies at the University of California, Santa Barbara, who called Churchill an outstanding scholar of indigenous rights.

"That does express my view of his work," Falk said Thursday.

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http://www.eli.org/ecw/falk.htm Biography

Richard A. Falk
Richard A. Falk is the Albert G. Milbank Professor of International Law and Practice at Princeton University since 1965. B.S. (economics), Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania (1952); LL.B., Yale Law School (1955); J.S.D., Harvard University (1962). He has been on the editorial boards of about ten journals and magazines, including the American Journal of International Law (1961-) and The Nation (1978-). Prof. Falk has served on the boards or been otherwise associated with scores of professional organizations, including serving as Chairman of the Consultative Council, Lawyers' Committee on American Policy Toward Vietnam (1967-75). Prof. Falk has provided expert testimony in many high profile cases and legislative and administrative hearings. He has been a member of international panels of jurors addressing "Marcos' Policies in the Philippines," "The Armenian Genocide," "Reagan's War Against Nicaragua," Nuclear Warfare, "Puerto Rico: A History of Repression and Struggle," and "Amazonia: Development and Human Rights." Prof. Falk has written extensively on international law and the law of war.

Relevant Publications: Crimes of War (Richard A. Falk et al., eds.; New York: Random House, 1971); Burns H. Weston et al., International Law and World Order: A Problem-Oriented Coursebook (3rd ed.) (St. Paul, MN: West Publishing Co., 1997) (co-authors Richard A. Falk and Hilary Charlesworth); Richard A. Falk, Ecocide, Genocide, and the Nuremberg Tradition of Individual Responsibility, in Philosophy, Morality, and International Affairs 123-37 (V. Held et al., eds.; New York: Oxford, 1974); Richard A. Falk, Methods and Means of Warfare, in Law and Responsibility 37-53, 102-113 (Peter Troboff, ed.; Durham, NC: North Carolina University Press, 1975); Richard A. Falk, Environmental Disruption by Military Means and International Law, in Environmental Warfare: A Technical, Legal and Policy Appraisal 33-51 (Arthur H. Westing, ed.; London; Philadelphia: Taylor & Francis, 1984); Richard A. Falk, The Environmental Law of War: An Introduction, in Environmental Protection and the Law of War: A "Fifth Geneva" Convention on the Protection of the Environment in Time of Armed Conflict 78-95 (Glen Plant, ed.; London; New York: Belhaven Press, 1992); Richard A. Falk, Reflections on the Gulf War Experience: Force and War in the UN System, in The Gulf War and the New World Order: International Relations of the Middle East 25-39 (Tareq Y. Ismael & Jacqueline S. Ismael, eds.; Gainesville, FL: University Press of Florida, 1994); Richard A. Falk, War Crimes: The Circle of Responsibility, The Nation, Jan. 1970, at 77-82; Richard A. Falk, Forty Years After the Nuremberg and Tokyo Tribunals: The Impact of the War Crimes Trials on International and National Law, in Proceedings, Eightieth Annual Meeting, The American Society of International Law 65-67 (April 9-12, 1986); The Wasted Nations: Report of the International Commission of Enquiry into United States Crimes in Indochina, June 20-25, 1971 (Frank Browning & Dorothy Forman, eds.; New York: Harper & Row, 1972) (hearings held in Oslo, Norway) (introduction by Richard Falk); Falk, Richard, Environmental Warfare and Ecocide, in 4 The Vietnam War and International Law (1966-75, 4 vols.); Crimes of War (Richard Falk et al., eds.; New York: Random House, 1971).

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Here are two liars and two cheats, two frauds who should be exposed and made to pay for their continuing snubbing of basic decency. These people aren't just the street corner card sharks, low lifes who might not have as many choices. These two and the rest of these sports "heroes" have continually demonstrated the same bad behaviour. Their inability to be at least upright citizens in their perspective place as some sort of leaders leaves me with more than contempt and outrage.

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Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 22:09
But I don't think a liar and a cheat, who got to a position from fraud, and someone who not only mischaracterizes himself to sell his viewpoint should be allowed to be the head of any teaching department, nor in any position to teach.

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 07:36
As far as a liar and a cheat. That's a pretty much forgone conclusion.
Most if not all of those sterling academic achievements are based on his lies.
The fact can't be denied that many of WC's writings are build based on his claim of Indian Heritage and his tenured position at CU is based on that.

Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 11:50
There is no fact that shows that he didn't lie about his heritage to get to where he is.

Friday, April 08, 2005 - 08:22
I think we should all take a hard stand on unethical misrepresentation and research misconduct - especially in the academic world where good scholarly research depends on at least that much.

Friday, April 08, 2005 - 12:32
I say we make the time to do the right things to make things right. Here are two liars and two cheats, two frauds who should be exposed and made to pay for their continuing snubbing of basic decency.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:libel

Definitions of libel on the Web:

a tort consisting of false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming a living person
slanderous statements against; "The newspaper was accused of libeling him"
the written statement of a plaintiff explaining the cause of action (the defamation) and any relief he seeks
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

In English and American law, and systems based on them, libel and slander are two forms of defamation (or defamation of character), which is the tort or delict of making a false statement of fact that injures someone's reputation. "Defamation" is however the generally-used term internationally, and is accordingly used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "libel" and "slander".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel

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Do you KNOW he claimed to be an enrolled Indian on his application?
Do you KNOW he got his job on the basis of that claim ? (and not due to, for example, academic merit)
Do you KNOW he plagiarized?

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excerpt from http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill_neocon.html
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We have to be as clear as possible about the big picture. This is much, much bigger than an individual attack on Ward. What we're looking at is a carefully developed, pre-existing national strategy that has been searching for exactly the right breakthrough "test case." It has found extremely favorable conditions in Ward's situation and in the post-911 climate. As they've been doing already in other areas they want to dismantle the structural footholds (academic freedom/tenure, ethnic studies) that social movements gained for people of color and liberal and progressive intellectuals inside academe during the 60s & 70s. If they are successful in Colorado, it could set a precedent like Bakke. Raising the stakes even higher, Governor Owens has ambitions that reach as far as the White House. The next phases of his career hang on this crucial campaign that will give definitive proof of his leadership ability. If he pulls it off, it's a glorious triple coup-de-grace: undermine the legal foundation of tenure/free speech, hurt/ruin Ethnic Studies...and at no less than the strongest "liberal" campus in the state. His personal investment in this campaign is very high and he is likely to throw his whole weight behind it.

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As far as red herrings- as has been so eloquently pointed out, Churchill himself is the red herring. Give it up Jasonzz.

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