On the subject of girls in sexy cloths... by chrisisall

Hey chrisisall, long time no post!

Anyway, this seems to be all over the place, I was at the local S. Florida Best Buy parking lot one afternoon and this young hispanic girl got out of her parent's car in front of me (with her parents, btw) and I could not believe what I saw: her bush, peeking out from the top of her low rider jeans! Heck, even when my wife wanted to buy some jeans, the only thing she could find were low riders that gave her plumber's crack, and she's far from overweight.

The overweight ones also seem to like black spandex, and I find that SOOOO attractive...NOT!

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:02 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Please post pictures of this phenomenon so that the rest of us can make judgements on the matter.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:13 AM

CHRISISALL

Bugboy, it was our run in on the other thread made me think, some of this is a little out of control. Real life has surpassed what they can show on broadcast TV!

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:21 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Real life has surpassed what they can show on broadcast TV!

Amen Brutha!

I find it ironic that after all the hoopla over the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction", the download of that film clip broke all records! And after Adelphia for years insisted it would NEVER provide adult content is now providing adult content in CA.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:59 PM

I can say that I've found some of this here as well. Rather unsettles my stomach when it happens I must say.

My guess is that in current society, they get so much of, "You're so great", "You're so pretty no matter how you look", etc crap (Richard Simmons, I'm looking at you), that they actually have taken it to an unheathy extreme.

It's ok (and necessary) to have a good self image, but when people get to this deluded state... well... we all suffer.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:53 AM

JEBBYPAL

Actually it isn't necessarily that they are told they look good like that. Go into any store in america and try to find a normal pair of jeans. Almost all are ultra low and you have to hunt for ones that start at your hipbone for women.

That said, the ultralow rider styles coming out for men don't look any better quite honestly.

the fashion industry dictates what is worn and eventually you have to buy some of it when your "normal' clothes wear out.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:39 AM

@jebbypal:
That is true about jeans, but there are other types of pants, khakis pants for instance. There are also other type of "covering your legs" type clothing that are availible (ie skirts, etc).

Also, I remember reports last year (don't get me to look it up) that some young women are as disgusted with this as most people are. They have found clothing that covers in various places. I think Mandy Moore (?) has a clothing line along those lines (or that other singer, etc "star"). As well, a number of stores have started to carry some more covering clothing in response.

I'm not sure as to how wide spread it is, but the back lash to this terrible phenomenon has already started. Let's just hope that it takes hold.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:45 PM

I don't see a big problem with somone with the attitude that they are great and pretty regardless of how they look.
In this case their weight.
Should they think they're worthless pieces of garbage because they are fat?
With that said,there IS age as well as weight appropriate clothing. Certain things are designed a specific way for a reason.
My problem is more with people wearing wayyyy oversized clothing.
Or every time I see someone wearing a baseball cap sideways or slightly off center I want rip it off their head, slap them severely about the head and shoulders, then jam the thing back on their heard the correct way.
Wearing one any other way besides straight forward or straight back looks idiotic.

Opus

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by Opus:

I don't see a big problem with somone with the attitude that they are great and pretty regardless of how they look.
In this case their weight.
Should they think they're worthless pieces of garbage because they are fat?

Never said anything like this (nor anyone else). What I said is that the extreme is bad ie someone who is... overweight wearing things that a supermodel wears. You seem to agree with this from what you wrote.

Good self esteem is a necessity (as I stated above). But, when it gives birth to an "I'm so good no matter what my weight is, so I'm going to do nothing about that!" That is a problem.

Not only is it delusional (please note that I've seen somewhat attractive cubby people, but it is unhealthy), it's, to put it mildly, unhealthy ie increased chance of heart attack, stroke, hyper-tension (this one further increases chances of the already mentioned), diabetes, etc.

People should wear clothing that is specific to the occasion and there physique. ie I don't go around in a muscle shirt b/c I really don't have any to show (nor would I if I did). I expect the same of others as well.

I think that it must be said that I apply this to men just as I do women. I don't what to see Joe's belly hanging over the belt of his pants because his shirt is too short, just like I don't want to see the same on a woman.

Perhaps they should teach people what having class is in school nowadays as they are clearly not getting it.

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:17 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Good self esteem is a necessity (as I stated above). But, when it gives birth to an "I'm so good no matter what my weight is, so I'm going to do nothing about that!" That is a problem.

Not only is it delusional (please note that I've seen somewhat attractive cubby people, but it is unhealthy), it's, to put it mildly, unhealthy ie increased chance of heart attack, stroke, hyper-tension (this one further increases chances of the already mentioned), diabetes, etc.

More often than not, I think the attitude is more a cover for having very bad self-esteem. Like someone trying too hard and that could apply to the thin or fat.
My comment came about when you pointed out Richard Simmons, surely a man who doesn't sit around telling people it's okay to be overweight.

Opus

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Friday, May 20, 2005 1:26 AM

Well, there is an overwhelming amount of "It's ok if you are a (fill in the blank)" in society today, and the fill in the blank includes everything from pedophile to fat slob.

We've placed so much emphasis on self-esteem, even to the point of being contrary to what the research shows, that it's warping our society. No, it's NOT ok to get an F on your finals, even if you DID try the best you can. We live in a meritocracy, and the self-esteem movement flies in the face of that.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 2:12 AM

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Well, there is an overwhelming amount of "It's ok if you are a (fill in the blank)" in society today, and the fill in the blank includes everything from pedophile to fat slob.

That's kind of extreme don't you think? The only people sticking up for the nomrmalcy of something like pedophilia are the pedophiles themselves, not society.
In regards to people who are fat, the weight loss industry is a billion dollar plus, business. I would say the vast majority of the message on being fat is negative, not accepting.
From my perspective we've turned more into a society where everyone tries to use the victim excuse.

Opus

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:31 AM

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Originally posted by Opus:
That's kind of extreme don't you think?
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From my perspective we've turned more into a society where everyone tries to use the victim excuse.

Yes, I know it was extreme, but the victim excuse is what what I am alluding to, RE: It's ok to (fill in the blank) as long as you don't feel guilty about it.

How many seriously deranged criminals have used "society made me do it" or "I was abused as a child" as an excuse? I'm sure that there are many well adjusted people who where abused as children, so a causal effect of such a childhood is still far from clear. It's the classice case of the man who claims he murdered his parents because he's an orphan.

I was also referring to the disturbing abuse scandals in the Church and its attempts to hide it over the years.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:41 AM

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Originally posted by Opus:

More often than not, I think the attitude is more a cover for having very bad self-esteem. Like someone trying too hard and that could apply to the thin or fat.

I agree that what you are saying here happens to a large extent.

My point here is that schools (mainly) are such that they are basically brainwashing kids into thinking that they are super(wo)man regardless.

Both are problems that need to be corrected.

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Originally posted by Opus:

My comment came about when you pointed out Richard Simmons, surely a man who doesn't sit around telling people it's okay to be overweight.

I pointed at him b/c he does say some stupid things.

He thinks for instance that when lossing weight that no-one needs to take anything out of there diet regardless. I would think that any nutritionist will tell you that eating fast/fried/etc food is something that needs to be gone (at least mostly) to become heathy.

He also is one of the points of origins of this love yourself for who you are stuff. Now this is necessary to have, but he presents it in such a way that people can and do take it for the above extreme that I mentioned above.

Again, I agree with him in principle, but his delivery needs to be adjusted as people are clearly taking it the wrong way.

At this point, I think that we agree in principle, but disagree on some details. Am I wrong?

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Friday, May 20, 2005 6:44 AM

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Originally posted by Opus:

From my perspective we've turned more into a society where everyone tries to use the victim excuse.

I agree!

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Friday, May 20, 2005 8:42 AM

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Originally posted by Bugboy:
Anyway, this seems to be all over the place...

There was a theory one of my teenage classmates had about the level of air-conditioning at school and the fact that the building seems perpetually freezing; that it was kept that way in order to discourage certain unfortunate and more revealing wardrobe choices. Although girls wearing tummy shirts in Minnesota in Winter just seems wrong.

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Originally posted by Bugboy:
The overweight ones also seem to like black spandex, and I find that SOOOO attractive...NOT!

As a girl with more than a few wobbly bits her own self, I don't understand how a large-size girl could go out in public with all the cellulite showing in such extreme detail.

Some of us won't ever be in the kind of shape that the "super model" fashions are designed for, simply because our health situations say, "sorry, no exercise for you today." That doesn't mean we should dress in tents, but trying to go about looking "like everyone else" brings "fitting in" to a whole new scary level.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 9:49 AM

Honestly never never heard Simmons say anything about not taking anything out of your normal food intake. In principle however, I think when trying to start to lose weight that's a smart idea. Change quantity first, then quality, phase out the old , introduce the new. Not going cold turkey.

Opus

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Friday, May 20, 2005 9:58 AM

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Originally posted by Opus:

Honestly never never heard Simmons say anything about not taking anything out of your normal food intake. In principle however, I think when trying to start to lose weight that's a smart idea. Change quantity first, then quality, phase out the old , introduce the new. Not going cold turkey.

He said that in an interview on the Wayne Brady Show.

I agree that changing should be gradual. Of course how gradual depends on how severe the deit was in the first place. I agree that cold turkey rarely works.

Of course, that change in diet should be permanent if the person expects to have a long and healthy life.

Life style change is what I'd propose.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 10:22 AM