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Bush versus the CIA
Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:29 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:(CNN) -- A former CIA intelligence official who once worked with Valerie Plame blasted President Bush and his administration for their response to the role of top White House aides in allegedly leaking Plame's identity as a CIA operative. ... Johnson, a registered Republican who voted for Bush in 2000, said he and Plame have been friends since they began their training at the CIA in 1985... In Saturday's radio address, Johnson said he was "stunned" by government officials' "ignorance about a matter so basic to the national security structure of the nation." He strongly responded to some Republican allegations that minimized Plame's role in the CIA. "We must put to bed the lie that she was not undercover," he said. "Instead of a president concerned first and foremost with protecting this country and the intelligence officers who serve it, we are confronted with a president who is willing to sit by while political operatives savage the reputations of good Americans like Valerie and Joe Wilson."
Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:38 AM
CHRISISALL
Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:40 AM
SPINLAND
Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:15 PM
HKCAVALIER
Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:18 PM
Thursday, August 25, 2005 4:32 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: But according to Hero, isn't that whole thing like, a non-event? I mean, nobody died, or nuthin'...
Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:23 PM
RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:07 PM
PERFESSERGEE
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: But according to Hero, isn't that whole thing like, a non-event? I mean, nobody died, or nuthin'... I don't know about it being a non-event, but Plame apparantly outed herself years before it was published. She told her husband and thats illegal. Further, she was a former covert operative and the law only applies to current and recent covert operatives and her service was well outside the legal limit. It was common knowledge who she was, who she was married to (it was printed in the Who's Who magazine), and people who knew her knew where she worked. So if anybody should be punished it should be her and Bob Novak. H
Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:13 PM
SERGEANTX
Quote:Originally posted by perfessergee: But now I'm going to have to shout, Hero: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU THINK THAT THE VICTIM SHOULD BE PUNISHED? Is this how the prosecuting attorneys work in your district? If this is how you view the victim, then damn I'm glad that none of my family or friends live there. And I've already self-censored. You should have seen my first response. perfessergee
Friday, August 26, 2005 12:00 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, August 26, 2005 3:29 AM
Friday, August 26, 2005 6:11 AM
Quote:CIA review urges disciplinary proceedings for top officials Friday, August 26, 2005; Posted: 9:56 a.m. EDT (13:56 GMT) CIA Director Porter Goss must decide whether to heed the recommendation of his top watchdog to hold disciplinary reviews for current and former officials who were involved in faulty intelligence efforts before the September 11 attacks. The proceedings, formally called an accountability board, were recommended by the CIA inspector general, John Helgerson... Among those singled out for criticism are former CIA Director George Tenet former clandestine service chief Jim Pavitt and former counterterrorism center head Cofer Black.
Friday, August 26, 2005 6:38 AM
SEVENPERCENT
Friday, August 26, 2005 6:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by perfessergee: OK, I'm in complete agreement that Bob Novak should be in jail. Hypocrite scumbags deserve their own Special Hell. But, when apologists for those who are in power are involved, I'm not gonna hold my breath for even an instant (there's this little trivial issue of "who is going to prosecute"? Uh, those in power? Yeah, right).
Quote: But now I'm going to have to shout, Hero: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU THINK THAT THE VICTIM SHOULD BE PUNISHED?
Quote: Is this how the prosecuting attorneys work in your district?
Quote: If this is how you view the victim, then damn I'm glad that none of my family or friends live there.
Friday, August 26, 2005 9:15 AM
Quote:After a June 12 Washington Post story made reference to the Niger uranium inquiry, Armitage asked intelligence officers in the State Department for more information. He was forwarded a copy of a memo classified "Secret" that included a description of Wilson's trip for the CIA, his findings, a brief description of the origin of the trip and a reference to "Wilson's wife." The memo was kept in a safe at the State Department along with notes from an analyst who attended the CIA meeting at which Wilson was suggested for the Niger assignment.... The next day, July 7, this memo and the notes were removed from the safe and forwarded to Powell via a secure fax line to Air Force One. ... Powell told prosecutors that he circulated the memo among those traveling with him in the front section of Air Force One.
Quote:Plame suppressed her anger by compiling a list of the things she had to do to protect information and two decades' worth of contacts overseas. An entire career, she told her husband, had gone down the tubes.
Friday, August 26, 2005 9:21 AM
Quote:I've been a prosecutor long enough to know that victims are not always innocent.
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